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Looking forward to your contributions, --Evan 01:00, 19 May 2004 (EDT)

Excellent work on New Orleans[edit]

So, you've done some really great work on New Orleans and the associated districts. I did want to drop you a few links, including the huge city article template, district article template, restaurant listings, attraction listings, and bar listings. Feel free to plunge forward and just add information without worrying too much about the manual of style, but, of course, doing it right the first time saves everyone some time and effort. --Evan 16:00, 29 May 2004 (EDT)

Thanks. I guess I did too much taking my cue from what was written there already than from the templates; I'll try to get them more in line. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 16:05, 29 May 2004 (EDT)
Yep. That's one of the problems of doing wiki stuff: we have to set a good example with good style. Sorry for the disconnect. --Evan 16:09, 29 May 2004 (EDT)
Okay. I'm going to stop working on the New Orleans pages for a while to avoid the edit conflicts. One thing I feel strongly about is that "Live music" (or some similar wording) does deserve to be its own section, especially for places like New Orleans where many visitors come with music as one of their priorities. It should not be a subset of drinking; if that's according to the template, I think the template could use some adjustment or flexibility. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 16:24, 29 May 2004 (EDT)
Don't let me stop your excellent roll! You're doing great, and I won't be whacking on NO pages for a while. Go right ahead! --Evan 17:51, 29 May 2004 (EDT)
The templates are flexible, but things like live music are going to be in practically any city. We have "Drink" now for a section that should probably be called "Nightlife" or some such thing. All our section headers have short, sharp names that are pretty distinctive, so I don't think Nightlife is a good one. "Go out" might work, but it's a little close to "Get out". Brainstorming welcome. --Evan 19:20, 2 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Wikipedia links[edit]

Thought you might be interested in Wikitravel:links to Wikipedia. --Evan 19:21, 2 Jun 2004 (EDT)


Hi, great work on NO! I was just wondering why you removed the Fairmount-- is it closed or just not worth recommending any more? It's helpful to note why when your removing a listing (we make it to New Orleans at least once a year, so I'm also just curious). Thanks. Maj 20:46, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Originally word had been that they were planning on reopening, which is why I hadn't removed it earlier, more recently word is that at least part of the hotel buildings may be redeveloped as condominiums and there is no even projected date for reopening the hotel. Yes, this is a surprise given that this has been one of the city's best know hotels for generations, and other places that got much more damage have reopened some time ago. There are a number of good hotels in the area functioning (including the Ritz Carlton across Canal), but for now no Fairmont. I'll readd it should that be appropriate. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 01:40, 7 January 2007 (EST)
Oh, it finally reopened, returning to the old name as "The Roosevelt", in 2009. Infrogmation 19:24, 19 May 2010 (EDT)

Image licenses[edit]

Thanks for relicensing the images. IMHO CC by-sa 3.0 images are fine, but a rather overly zealous user has been VFD'ing all images that aren't 1.0-licensed because he thinks they're not acceptable -- hopefully this will soon be sorted out. Jpatokal 13:08, 1 February 2008 (EST)


your thoughts on a simple english wikitravel for esl people seniors younger children disabled people or anyone who just wants to help out... Oppose or Support a ongoing conversation is at the travellers pub. Thanks Seabanks 19:34, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

I think you best ignore him (To Seabanks: No No No!) --Stefan (sertmann) talk 20:16, 23 October 2009 (EDT)


I noticed you deleted Surf & Sip Internet, Caffe Italiano, Da Parish Coffee House and Papa's Pizza. Why is that (and please do not delete without explaining why)?, --ClausHansen 09:55, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

I drove through, and they were gone, or at least no longer at those locations. Sorry, I'll do an edit summary for cases like that in the future. Cheers, Infrogmation 19:22, 19 May 2010 (EDT)

New Orleans districts map[edit]

Hey, I'm trying to put together a nice map of the city and its districts, could you please give some advice regarding this discussion? --Peter Talk 18:25, 10 February 2011 (EST)

I've made the revisions as you suggested, and hopefully got it right! Could you take a look over this draft. --Peter Talk 19:16, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
Looks great! Over the next day or so I expect to have a first version of the Audubon and University article up; I'll also study the map in more detail-- I might possibly suggest a minor change or two, but overall excellent, looks sensible and usable. Thanks. Cheers, Infrogmation 21:20, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Mother in Law Lounge[edit]

Actually, we do have an article for St Roch: New Orleans/St Roch-Florida. Do you think it would make sense to extend its border over to the Esplanade to include more of the 7th ward? That way, we could put Mother in Law Lounge there, and avoid the problem of having listings in articles that are not on the district map! --Peter Talk 17:26, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

FYI, I also just added a map of Mid-City. --Peter Talk 17:34, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
I was just noticing that! Great work since last time I had a chance to take an extended look here! And I see you found some of my photos on Flickr :-) Yeah, I was thinking of something like a "7th Ward and St. Roch" article, and you beat me to part of it. I'd add that slice east of Treme and on the river side of Claiborne/I-10 to that rather than Mid-City; I've never heard anyone talk about that area as being part of Mid-City. I'll give it a bit more thought, but something like that would probably be best. Cheers, Infrogmation 17:35, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
So maybe we could make everything east of the Esplanade, Broad St, and 610 part of a 7th Ward-St Roch article? That would make sense to me, but you know the city much better ;) --Peter Talk 17:39, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
That sounds fine. It looks like you visited here last month? I hope you had a good time. BTW, I just noticed "Docents"; perhaps I should apply to be a "Wikitravel Docent" for Greater New Orleans? Infrogmation 17:55, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
There's actually no application process, you can just add yourself by writing {{hasDocent|Infrogmation}} to the end of the New Orleans article. It's nice to also explain that you are a docent on your user page, and link back to the Wikitravel:Docents article. It's not an idea that has really taken off, but it's still a nice thing.
And yes, I had an incredible time in your amazing city! Such a good time that I'm planning a return next year, maybe for French Quarter Fest, since I haven't spent much time in the Quarter (I avoided it during Mardi Gras). --Peter Talk 18:06, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

Music venues[edit]

Just a heads up: we generally put bars that serve as music venues under "Drink" rather than "Do." Concert halls go under "Do," but any sort of nightlife spot winds up under "Drink." --Peter Talk 20:36, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

Unrelated, but it's fun to have several people working on one guide at once, no? It's been a while since I've had the pleasure. I won't be able to work on maps until sometime next week, as I'm leaving my P.C. in D.C. while I stay in the mountains. But I'll still check in at some point this weekend to see what's going on. --Peter Talk 20:55, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

As a New Orleanian who enjoys live music, that Wikitravel doesn't even commonly have sections for live music in cities seems strange. But as I've added to the New Orleans article, live music seems to be a much more important part of the local culture than it is some other places. (I've traveled enough to know there are other places where music is important to life, but that it is far from universal.) As to changing the sections, I just found it annoying to see music venues where you can't even buy so much as a cola tagged with "drink". I think the standard should be more -- is it a place people are making a destination because they want to hear music, or a place where people are going because they want to get some drinks? I'm making that my standard at least in New Orleans. (There are occasional places that are both, but that's not common. I guess similar to how some business may be a both a popular and noted restaurant and a popular and noted bar.) Enjoy your time in the mountains. Cheers, Infrogmation 21:15, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

External link format[edit]

Well done with all your excellent work on various New Orleans articles. One little point: please don't use a front-linked format for external links. Eg it should be Audubon Park [1] and not Audubon Park. This is explained here: Wikitravel:External_links#External_link_format. Thanks again. --Burmesedays 22:46, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Thanks for the tip! Cheers, Infrogmation 23:13, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Studio in the Woods[edit]

I can't seem to figure this place [2] out. Do you think it's worth including something about it in the New Orleans/Algiers article? --Peter Talk 22:38, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

I'm familiar with it. It is mostly an artists' retreat. It's only open to the public for occasional special events. It's a long drive from anything else near the end of a long dead-end road. Not really a vistors' attraction. Infrogmation 07:36, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

FQ restaurants[edit]

The restaurant list for the FQ is daunting—44 in total, which is longer than any other article I can think of! It should be long, of course, but could you possibly help me trim it a bit, maybe removing some 10 restaurants? It's making the map impossible! I know enough to know that Central Grocery, Clover Grill, Coop's, Bayona, Tujague's, and everything in the Splurge section should certainly stay. But I'm really not that familiar with the Quarter to go much beyond that. I'll hopefully rectify that unfamiliarity next month, but I wanted to at least get a good map up for the FQ and Marigny before my next trip. --Peter Talk 19:32, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

Hm, I would have thought that if anything we didn't have enough listings of the great variety in the Quarter! I don't really know that the list needs trimming. I'm not as familiar with the FQ at present as I had been -- I used to often spend half a day there at least once a week, but for more than a year have been gradually recovering from major leg surgery and haven't been up to my former custom of hours long walks. (What I've kept with in the FQ and CBD -- the two neighborhoods I don't expect to find parking within half a dozen blocks-- has mostly been second hand from friends and media.) I'd guess there should be no obligation to include everything listed in the map. In addition to what you mention above, the location of Cafe du Monde is another must however. Gumbo Shop would be the next level down as an historic landmark restaurant. For other significant places a bit further down I'd say Bayona, Coops, Green Goddess, Johnny's, Louisiana Pizza Kitchen, Mona Lisa, Port of Call, Stanley's. BTW, drop me a note if you'd like to meet IRL over a beverage while you're in town. Red beans & ricely, -- Infrogmation 12:14, 30 March 2012 (EDT)


I noticed that you removed the listing for the KKProjects. Have they been demolished? If not, I think it's a colorful and interesting enough listing to warrant inclusion. Even if the project were abandoned, the site fallen into decay, and the idea discredited, it would still be interesting for many to do a drive by if in the area, I think. --Peter Talk 11:40, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

Yes, demolished, including the building that was in the photo. (I played at an art gallery opening across the street from where it used to be Saturday.) -- Infrogmation 15:29, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

New Orleans/Bywater[edit]

I undid you edit from the New_Orleans/Bywater page because there was no explanation why it was removed. Please provide an explanation if you wish to delete someone else's listing. Is the establishment closed? Cheers --OVK 05:06, 9 January 2013 (EST)

I stated in my edit summary " - Bywater BBQ, closed" as you can see in the edit history. Please explain how that could have been clearer, thanks. -- Infrogmation 18:27, 11 January 2013 (EST)
I removed it again. I cannot see any reason to re-add listings for closed restaurants. Wikitravel intends to be a current guide, not a listing which includes defunct attractions which can no longer be visited. If you have a problem with the removal, please provide an explanation before re-adding. Thanks. -- Infrogmation 18:31, 11 January 2013 (EST)
My apologies about the hazzle, the message got lost in the stream of other things. Very good edit then, as the restaurant serves no purpose on the site while it is not open. Cheers! --OVK 03:30, 20 January 2013 (EST)
Thanks for your note. Cheers to you. Infrogmation 17:07, 20 January 2013 (EST)