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Hello IBcaldera, the address format is specified in Wikitravel:Accommodation listings where it explicitely states Don't repeat the city name unless the "city" is different. If there are other articles where this is wrong, I think it would be better to correct that there. STENSOFT (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2014 (EDT)
I'm trying to give back to wikitravel for all the help I got along the way of my travels but I could use a hand for editing tricks for wikitravel. if you have a good video or page you could suggest me, I'd be happy to have a look at it.
Shurely shome mishtake...
Is Shanghai such a different place from the rest of China that (exceptionally) it needs its own quickbar?
Does it have its own currency?
Electricity details radically different from the rest of China?
Does its religion differ radically from the rest of China?
Why can Shanghai's area and population not just be mentioned in prose in the Understand section, as we do with other cities where they are relevant to travellers?
Is it exceptional in China in having Mandarin as its official language?
Does it have its own flag that it is critical for visitors to instantly recognise?
Why are the emergency phone numbers not listed in its brand new quickbar? (Is it because they are the same as the rest of China or simply because the newbie editor that has been going around sprinklins these redundant and misleading templates is unaware of their syntax & possibilities or just of our laboriously debated policies in general?)
Please read the discussion at Template_talk:Quickbar#Region_and_town_templates and add any new points that may have been previously missed when we reached a consensus after much debate that quickbars should ONLY be used for articles about sovereign countries and their separately-administered territories (generally speaking, places with their own 2-character ISO country code and Internet Top-Level Domain) and that they should not be used for US states, Canadian provinces, or any other article type such as cities or regions or villages or Disney World...
Meanwhile, until and unless we come to a new consensus, I'd be grateful if you would either:
Please would you ensure that you list phone numbers in the international format so that they can be dialled directly from a mobile phone.
For example, in this edit it would have been better to list the number as "+61 3 3 9639-1811" rather than in the local Australian format of "03 9639 1811".
Use edit summaries to explain non-obvious deletions
Also, please use an edit summary to at least hint as to your reasons when removing a bunch of hotels. Have they closed, are they removed under our "avoid negative reviews" policies, is this a huge city that has been "districtified" or for some other (non-obvious) reason? --220.127.116.11 16:14, 9 December 2014 (EST)
Hi IBcaldera, So just now I noticed you deleted my "Tunich Phrasebook" page on wikitravel, and I would like to ask you if you could temporarily restore the page, as I have many notes on there and I worked very hard on creating, I would like to save those notes and re paste them on a different website I have created, Thank you!
I am the representative of Jugaadus in Amritsar. I would like to discuss the editing of amritsar section with you. Also there is a user by the name Davindervirasti who has been deleting my enteries without any justifications. Can we please look into this,
Hi IBcaldera, Im not really sure how this works cause Im new to wikitravel but I would like to ask you a question about an edit I made to the Drake Bay Costa Rica page with the information of a tour company. You commented with no tour operator and referred to a list with criteria for tour operators, the tour operator that im referring to meets all these criteria so Im a bit confused about why I cannot put it on these pages? Hope you can help, thanks.
Spelling of accomodation
The incorrect spelling of "accommodation" with a single "m" appears in edits from 8-January-2015 under name IBcaldera. I've been sent a message about "Sleep" being removed, but perhaps that did not happen. This affects the following pages:
Euro: country numbers
You forgot to increment the numbers of countries using the Euro when you made this edit. (I'd make the necessary change myself but, totally contrary to the tradition and ethos of this wiki, an admin has made this template only editable by admins!) --18.104.22.168 21:00, 19 January 2015 (EST)
Hi Jose, you recently removed an entry I submitted for Jungle Tours and Ecolodges under the Iquitos page, citing multiple violations of touting accolades, first-person writing, and excessive content. I'm a new poster and was not aware of the content limit and have tried fixed this (comparable to Otorongo Lodge) as well as the other violations. There are, however, multiple other entries within the category that tout accolades (Amazonia Expeditions Tahuayo Lodge, Muyuna Lodge, Otorongo Expeditions) and use "we" and "our" in their description (Maniti Camp Expeditions, Muyuna Lodge, Otorongo Expeditions), which is why I thought it was ok. I think it is unfair to remove my listing for violations that others on the page are clearly committing as well. —The preceding comment was added by Tapichejungle (talk • contribs)
Hi IBcaldera (talk), I was recently blocked by you stating that I am promoting my personal tourism website. Please note that I am in no relation with the links I referred. All contributions I made were genuine and was written after my personal experience and I thought that referring the contents would be helpful for travelers. I think my last edit went too much against the norms of Wikitravel and I am sorry for not abiding to the guidelines. The content I edited were outdated and I updated it accordingly with the latest updates. I had faced lots of issues in Andaman for ferry tickets, Baratang Island trip and Jolly bouy island for permits and information during my visit. Sorry, but Wikitravel didn't had much information neither did any other websites. Well, finally you are the admin and I humbly request you to allow me access and to remove the blocking. Let me know, which of the contents I edited were extremely against the norms of wikitravel and I will change it accordingly. Please enable my contributions that you find is adding value to Andaman travel or else let me know where you require edit of the existing content. Look forward to your message.
New York City
Hey IBcaldera! I checked that you recently removed a mention of evojets from New York City article stating that the link was given to a malfunctioning site. I am new to wikitravel and yet to create an account and hence I am not sure if I used proper notations to represent my edit. The site is working properly from my side and plus it is secured. You can refer to the link - https://www.evojets.com/. —The preceding comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs)
Thanks IBcaldera. I am not sure why '%20' got appended, but it might be due to the space included between link and link text - evoJets charter. I have made changes again and let me know in-case I am going wrong anywhere. (talk)
Commercial sites reference
u Hi IBCaldera, I'm Marco, the webmaster of booktaxitenerife, I've seen your comment about our site and our addition to Tenerife page. You have defined our contributions to wikitravel as SPAM, but I'm not sure to understand it and the difference between our contribution and other commercial sites / links listed on wikitravel. It's obvious that a commercial brand wants to get listed here for traffic generation and SEO authority, but when we are generating some value to readers by explaining some useful characteristics of our proposal / product or service I understand that it will be interesting for readers and community... so if there is a commercial link talking about a service related to Tenerife, why we can't add another one with a different value proposal? Thanks for your point of view! Marco —The preceding comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs)
Hello IBcaldera! Yesterday I made my first edit! yay! ^^ Today I checked back to see if it survived 24h. It didn´t :P So I decided to create an account and discuss a little. I wrote to Hong Kong and South East Asia articles about a service called Plate Culture. The text was removed due to no links to "Booking aggregators". I read the rules through and out and I see the point. However I think this particular case needs some further discussion. If I understand correctly the main point is "Avoid linking to secondary sources". The point of Plate culture is that Asian homes open their doors for tourists to dine with them. These "private kitchens" (for a lack of a better word) have no other websites or Facebook pages and are totally inaccessible any other way. Also on the other hand after visiting Hong Kong and Malaysia and using the service it is totally in my top 10 for things to do there, so I think this page needs to cover it somehow. This makes me think that it is questionable that we can have for example a link on the south east asia section for rideexpeditions.com but not plate culture. Looking forward to your view! :)
Kea page removal
Hi, Why did you remove the whole page of Kea island? Reason was-a lot of the content appears on other sites, please contribute original content only. If so, why you didn't just undo or delete inadequate content? I know the page would be pure with information, but isn't it easier for some new contributor to change existing page instead of creating new one? And Kea island needs its own page. Thanks Meze (talk) 17:25, 9 April 2015 (CET)
Hotel listing defined as spam and user ban
I would like to discuss the removal of a hotel listing in the Hunza valley and Karimabad articles and the ban that you put on me for a week. My listing was considered as spam and I was banned for a whole week for reediting it. I have been travelling all over Pakistan for 4 months and mainly used wikitravel to gather information - this information was often outdated or not accurate so I wanted to contribute and improve it. I added this listing because it is THE backpacker hotspot in Hunza valley where you have a higher chance of meeting travellers than elsewhere and the price-quality-relation is very good.
I chose the words based on the descriptions of other hotels that I have read on wikitravel - I guess the part about "nice views and delicious food" made you classify it as spam and I apologize for it. Also I was not aware of alphabetical order because in most Pakistan hotel listings, there is none, it is arbitrary. I re-added it because I had internet problems at the time of the listing and tought it just had not been saved. I used only my IP address because I was automatically logged out - and I only discovered the discussion page later. So, this behaviour was based on inexperience and not on bad will.
I then discovered the e-mail, read all the rules and guidelines, understood the removal, and when I wanted to contact you on your page to discuss how to include this hotel in the listings, I saw that I was blocked for a week. This was like a slap in the face and very upsetting for me because I had had no chance of entering in a dialogue with you before you took such a drastic measure. Imagine how badly and unfairly treated I felt when I later discovered the following rule:
"User bans are an extreme last resort for us. [...] If there is a need for a user ban, someone needs to nominate the user or IP address for banning on the Wikitravel:user ban nominations page [...] Bans made without a vote and without an understanding of the gravity of this action are considered abuse by the administrator. [...] Exceptions to the user ban nomination process include: Blocks of one day or less when used as a discretionary tool for administrators. These blocks are sometimes used in slowing exceptionally high-volume unwanted edits (e.g., move vandalism) or to halt the vandalism (however temporarily) to create space to clean it up. In general such blocks should be applied for very short periods (two hours or less) and only increased in length if the vandal persists."
This really took my breath away and I felt treated extremely unfairly by you! It seemed like you violated the rules! I have seen that it is not the first time that you blocked people. For genuine first-time posters who are just too "stupid" to properly know the rules, this is very rude and discouraging - and even the guidelines state that the behaviour you have shown is considered as abuse.. Please reconsider this behaviour.
Also, I would really like this hotel to be included in the listing because it is likely to meet other travellers there and the wifi/hot shower/professional treatment of tourists is extremely outstanding for a budget hotel in Pakistan. This is a very good place for travellers and as a single woman travelling, I felt more comfortable here than other places. I hope that if I leave out the part about "nice views, delicious food" this will be possible.
Thank you for entering in a discussion with me
From ja: Shoestring Thank you for your message
Hi, IBcaldera, thank you for your message on my ja: talk page. I told Alex about the 10th anniversary of ja:WT, as you know, but actually we don’t intend to plan something special so far. We just start to discuss this matter on ja: traveler’s pub. Maybe we only celebrate on the ja Traveler’s Pub by sending messages from everyone (in addition, put the temporal banner message for celebration on the MediaWiki:Sitenotice, if it possible).
As I once told Alex (and you may as well know), I use my e-mail address only on the very private matters. If you have something to tell me, please use my ja: talk page. Anyway, thank you for the warm offerings from you all, and hope your kind understanding.--Shoestring (talk) 09:58, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
Around the world in 80 days
I removed much of the content for the get in to New York because it was much too detailed. Every bit of information for the options of getting to or between the airports was provided. A user only needs a general overview of how to get there. The transportation to the starting airport should not be the main section. New York is a good place to start this journey, but not the only one in the world. Also, it seemed as if this long section was copied directly from the get in section of the New York City article. --Kfinger (talk) 14:10, 18 May 2015 (PDT)
Photography activity in Prague removed
Dear IBcaldera, you have recently deleted my entry for Prague activity - Johnny's Prague Photo Tours that violated first person writing. If I delete "our" from the last sentence, would it be acceptable for submission? Thank you for your help! I appreciate it. Best regards, Jan
Photography Tours of Prague
LGBT Texas Rewrite
Since one of the admins have offered to rewrite the article on LGBT relations in Texas, I would be more than happy to give you guys links to any articles to support my case. I tried to be reasonable to 188.8.131.52 but evidently he/she ignored my links/proof so I figured it would be better to present my case to a more neutral party as opposed to wasting any further time with someone who in my opinion appears to be way too biased/bigoted to trust writing that section accurately after my dealings with that user. Feel free to let me know if you need or want my assistance since I would be more than glad to help. Thanks (Diablo234 (talk) 21:30, 10 September 2015 (EDT))
Thank you for fixing the bug
Hi IBcaldera, thank you for your information. I tried to put an external link on one of our ja: pages, and happy to tell you that it completely worked. Thank you again for your effort.--Shoestring (talk) 07:34, 6 October 2015 (EDT)
Thank you for your message on my ja: talk page
Thank you for your message. So far, so good, except for ill-displaying of some portrait type pictures (I have already reported this problem to Alex).
Also, thank you for your kind offering to send me a Christmas gift. I may have already inform you before, so far I don't make public my personal information such as my address (postal and e-mail), name etc., so I regret to say that it is very hard to respond your offer this time. Sorry for your inconvenience and hope your kind understanding (of course this is my personal information policy and I don't know other members'. I am willing to notice your offering on ja: Traveler's Pub, if you want).
Bugs(?) on the printable version
Have you ever heard some bug about the printable version on English or other language pages? One of our ja: users reported that he/she can't print out some of the ja: WT pages correctly, because there seems to have some malfunctioning of setting for the right and left margins, and some part of right side of the pages are overflowing from the printable areas. For your information, he/she said he/she uses Win 8 (English ver.), Chrome (Ver. 47.0.2526.106 m), and uses "Letter" size paper.
I also tried and failed to display the ja: printable pages on my PC, but print out itself (on the A4 paper) was no problem (although there seems to have some modifications on the margins of both sides). If you know something about it, tell us please later (maybe in the next month or so. We are in no hurry).--Shoestring (talk) 06:54, 24 December 2015 (EST)
Re: Printable Versions, Rotating Images, Log Out Issues
Hi Caldera, thank you for your message. I tried myself to print the claimed page and confirm that I can print it normally (though I needed to fix some default margin data on the set up page of pre-view menu). Unfortunately the one (利用者・トーク:TedSF) who claimed this problem says he/she has not yet solved the problem (which means that some part of the right side of the pages are still overflowing from the printable areas).
Ted says the situation seems very much depending on pages, and some pages can print quite normally. How is the ヨセミテ国立公園 (the claimed page) going on your printout? For your information, I advised Ted to check the default data on the setting up tug of pre-view page, and once try to purge the cash on the claimed WT page..., though I have no idea whether it will work or not.--Shoestring (talk) 20:50, 23 January 2016 (EST)
Another bug we found
Hi Caldera, I’ve just got another bug report, this time is about the malfunctioning of the "Revision history". You can check it yourself easily. For example, try to display the article of Tokyo (or any article you like), click the "View history" tug on the right top of the page, then chose the oldest archive by clicking the date link. What we could read should be the start-up version, but actually the displayed page is the current one. It happens any pages of en: and ja: (and other language pages as well, probably). I think it is not relatively an urgent matter, but one of the bugs to be tackled with, accordingly. Anyway, thank you very much for your efforts.--Shoestring (talk) 06:45, 26 January 2016 (EST)
USA "Unaccompanied adults" edit
Why did you revert my edit about unaccompanied adults and children - I thought it was a better way of experessing this issue than the way it is currently being said. That particular issue has nothing to do with being "single" or not - child-centric venues often don't want unaccompanied adults, but it has nothing to do with the adult's relationship or marital status. Social exclusion of singles is something else entirely which I covered in another bullet point. 184.108.40.206 21:53, 4 February 2016 (EST)
Kyzylarai wildlife reserve
Hi! Concerning yesterday edit of the article: the link to web-site of Nomadic Travel Kazakhstan is working (at least, from Kazakhstan and Nepal, where I'm now). This is a web-site of a local tourist company, not a booking service. So, I guess, it will be useful to have information about it in the article. Thank you! —The preceding comment was added by Vshuptar (talk • contribs)
Hi iBcaldera -- sorry I'm not sure where to write this so hope it's okay to write it here. You just removed an external link that I added about altitude sickness on the Tibet wikitravel page. I understand if external links are not allowed, but I'm confused why so many other external links are allowed on that page. As far as I can tell every external link on that page except for one (Amnye Machen Institute) are all travel agencies. I don't understand why my external link was removed but all of these are allowed. By the way, CITS and Great Tibet Tour, are not Tibetan-owned agencies, so should not be in that section. Thanks for your good work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) 15:26, Mar 25, 2016 (UTC)
ja: Bug reports
Hi Caldera, probably along with the update of Mediawiki you mentioned before, we have a couple of bugs on ja: pages as follows:
Besides these bugs we found, so far the ja: pages seems work normally. So would you please check and fix these bugs as soon as possible? If we find other bugs we report them to you accordingly.--Shoestring (talk) 06:21, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
Hi Caldera, thank you for your message.
Regarding the debug you mentioned, the mapping system seems work normally, but not perfectly. By clicking the links, we can jump to the correct map pages, but it often displays a blank page instead (once every two or three times or so). I don’t know well whether it happens along with this time’s update or not, because recently I have similar cases when I want to jump to other page(s) from certain links on some pages (not WT).
I don’t know the reason why, but it may relate to the recent tightening of security check on the operating system (when I click the links on some pages, it often pops up a warning with a short message for requesting the user’s permission to display the linked page, then sometimes displaying the blank page (a little bit hard to explain, but can you make sense of what I want to tell you?). For your information, my PC’s OS is Windows7 and my browser is IE).
And here is another bug. One of the ja: Wikitravelers claims that the mapping system is frequently freezing when (he/she) wants to scroll or magnify the displayed map on (his/her) smartphone (android type).
In addition to those bugs, I found another (relatively a tiny) one last day. As you know, when we finish checking the recent edition(s) of each page and click the “patrolled” tag, normally the red and bold exclamation marks on the left side of the “Recent changes” page will drop from the page. But sometimes it doesn’t, especially when we use the “batch patrol” tag. I remember the same bug caused by the software update several years ago.
I have a domain or two listed on https://wikitravel.org/en/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist which is not correct. How are these lists created? My sites show up on this page and I have no idea how. How do I get my domains taken off your site?