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2007 Archives[edit]


Hi, George. I left you an answer on Talk:Daytona Beach with a specific policy reference. A good place to start might be: Wikitravel:Tips for new contributors. There is a more general intro at: Wikitravel:Welcome, newcomers. Any questions, please just ask! Welcome aboard! OldPine 14:27, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Oh, and use ~~~~ (4 tildes) after what you write to sign and date automatically. It helps in the conversations. Thanks. OldPine 14:31, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Hi, again. Regarding your edits on East Central Florida, please see Wikitravel:Region article template. The region articles give more of an overview rather than specifics of businesses, etc. Plunge ahead though :) OldPine 15:56, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Anyhow, I'll get out of your way there for now. The idea on the region is to draw people into the detail in the town pages by offering highlights and then links to the town/city articles. Sorry about the edit conflicts. OldPine 16:11, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
I should say, above all, Nice Work on Daytona Beach. A lot of good local knowledge showing up--and that's what really makes this place great. Thanks. OldPine 16:28, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

United States National Parks[edit]

There was a discussion some time back about what should be listed on the United States National Park page, and it was decided that only national park units should be listed, and things like national forests and national wildlife refuges would be handled from region pages - see Talk:United States National Parks#Wildlife Refuges. As a result I've reverted your addition of national forests, but policy is always subject to change around here, so if you feel strongly that the national forests should be listed feel free to add to the discussion on the national parks talk page. Thanks for contributing! -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:50, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Daytona Beach[edit]

Hey nice work on the Daytona Beach article! Just a heads up, though: we don't list radio stations/newspapers unless there is some immediate relevance for travelers (i.e., a specific newspaper specializing in listing nightlife goings-on). But in any rate, keep up the good work! --Peter Talk 17:52, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

East Central Florida[edit]

Wow! Way to go on East Central Florida and all the counties and towns you put up there and in Northeast Florida. You be on fire! Keep up the great work! Max kudos! OldPine 16:31, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

Clay County (Florida)[edit]

This is a clear cut and paste from Wikipedia as it stands now. Our copyrights aren't compatible and stuff sourced from there needs to be "rechewed". OldPine 15:06, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

Altamonte Springs (Florida)[edit]

Where there is no other city with the same name, the article should be entitled Altamonte Springs as there is no need to disambiguate. Actually, the same is supposed to apply to counties, but apparently you don't care. OldPine 18:52, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

  • I am not certain whether Altamonte Springs in Florida has a unique name, I figured it was "safer" to package it with (Florida). On the other hand, there are many counties that share the same name. Just do a quick search on the Wikipedia sister site and you will see. Gamweb 19:31, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
I always check Wikipedia as the authority on whether a name is unique. I agree it happens often with counties. The difficulty is that if you use the (Florida)-- especially with cities, other articles may link to it without the (Florida) and assume there is no such article. Also, it is impossible to detect whether there are such links. Anything that is disambiguated properly and listed on the Wikitravel:Links to disambiguating pages page can be checked by seeing what links to the disambiguating page (and periodically cleaned up to link right). I'm really not trying to bust your balls here. There are reasons for the "rules". It can get to be a real mess later when stuff is all linked together. OldPine 19:37, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
In general we don't bother with counties at all unless they are important to the traveller. Also the best way to decide if something needs disambiguation is to just take the name, and see if somebody else wants to use it later. -- Mark 20:26, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
I agree that's the best course of action, particularly with counties as they are often not used in state breakdowns (in fact I thought they might not be used in Florida at all, but Gamweb is doing a great job with them). But for cities/towns, too, you could just grab the undisambiguated name if it's available, you don't have to do the disambiguation page then. Counties were given in the region articles for FL just to delineate where the boundaries were, but may be useful - it's your call, George. OldPine 20:42, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
Counties are fairly important for organizational purposes, particularly in the rural areas. I would say, use the County structure where ever possible in the US. Other countries - I can't say as I do not know their importance. Gamweb 20:52, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
Mainly for residents though. Travellers barely notice them, except as a line on the map. For that reason, and since the traveller comes first we've mostly ignored them. -- Mark 20:58, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
Perhaps. However, you still need an organizational structure so that editors like me have a way to work on this guide. Do you know how many cities and towns Florida has? We can't list all those on the Florida state page, nor will they all fit on the "region" pages. There are 67 counties in Florida. Having all the county pages, with the cities neatly listed in the counties provide a starting point for people to work on city guides. Plus, the Tourism Bureaus in Florida are organized at the County level. Gamweb 22:08, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

Talk:South Florida[edit]

I'm hoping to get your input on a long-running debate in this region. Please see this talk page and comment. Thanks. OldPine 10:45, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

Talk:Everglades and Lake Okeechobee[edit]

Again, if you'd offer an opinion. OldPine 15:28, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

Volusia County[edit]

I blanked out several sections here. See: Wikitravel:Region article template. A relisting of the towns won't cut it. See and Do call for county highlights with a link to the town, Eat and Drink want an overview of dining or unusual things not to be missed, etc. Promotion to usableregion is not overly dependent on these things being extensive. OldPine 19:30, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

Wow! This is looking really fine now. A couple of representative pictures and it is ready for guideregion status IMHO. Congrats! Really fine work on all your Florida efforts, actually. OldPine 08:27, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

Categories & Images[edit]

Please see Wikitravel Shared]. We try to upload images to Shared so other language versions have easy access to them as well. Categories are also used on Shared. -- Fastestdogever 18:03, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Argh... Why so many different "departments" with the Wikis.... LOL I just spent an hour trying to coordinate my new images between Wikipedia and WikiCommons... Gamweb 18:06, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
We're actually trying to minimize the pain -- back in the bad old days, images had to be uploaded to every Wikitravel language version separately! Jpatokal 22:56, 19 August 2007 (EDT)