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Please direct the following questions to the right spots:


I am interested in contributing to I already operate a credible tourism website for Western Australia and am seeking further exposure (Quid Pro Quo). I can't afford to spend time researching, writing and contributing if I cannot obtain anything in return such as a few links. Either you are running a business and so work with other business operators in a credible and effective manner, or you are running some sort of charity similar to Wikipedia and relying on donations. Obviously, you don't want to have the kind of links that would detract from your website, but links to well developed, valuable and informative websites could help to enhance your site. I don't want to put my website link here, but if you go to Google and search for Holiday WA we will most likely be listed at the top of the resulting page. See what you think, is this a type of site that you might possibly permit as an external link? Regards David

We have guidelines for external links at Wikitravel:external links. --Evan 00:19, 10 January 2007 (EST)


I like a lot the wikitravel project, but i thing a very important feature is missing: It is not allowed to add external link to find good address where to sleep! 80% of the people planing to travel will first be interresting by a guide to know good place where to sleep (and also to eat). I thing you must stop to forbid external link to resource showing good place where to sleep! Also, i thing that the most important contributor to the wikitravel guide will be the people who have some hotel/restaurant/etc because they are very interresting by the wikitravel project and also they know perfectly the area where they are ! if you stop to forbid them to add link to their resource, for sur they will become to be a good contributor to the wikitravel project !

For exemple if you go on the frejus city you will see: "Sleep: You can rent an apartment in Fréjus. It is cheaper than a 2, 3 or 4 * hotel, larger, more comfortable, practical, and... it feels like a real French experience!" Everyone read that are more interresting to know where they can rent these appartments ! don't you thing that it's the purpose of a travel guide ?

The purpose of a travel guide is to have addresses, phone numbers, price and other information about hotels in the travel guide -- not at the other end of an URL. We do allow hotel owners (or anybody) to add the link to their hotel in the appropriate accommodation listings. We don't allow links to third-party sites, like hotel aggregators or search engines. --Evan 11:15, 10 December 2006 (EST)
I really thing that an url showing all the resource to sleep will be appropriate (hotel aggregators or search engines) ! This is the purpose of a travel guide ...
Feel free to bring it up on Wikitravel talk:External links, but I strongly disagree. --Evan 10:20, 11 December 2006 (EST)


I was just in the process of replying on the articles talk page. As for the language situation it differs between various cities in Ukraine.


Transnistria is quite safe , I have lived there for six months as a westerner and it is safe, some embassys still issue a minor caution. It is a small country and for that reason it is easy enough for the poice there to control. I would like to work on the page Vlad Moko Dec 5

Oh, of course. --Evan 20:10, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Re: WikiOutdoors[edit]

I don't have an informed opinion yet. Let me do some research and get back to you, probably tomorrow. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:58, 4 December 2006 (EST)

No rush, I just didn't want the conversation to go by without your input. --Evan 09:32, 5 December 2006 (EST)

Sorry it took a while, but I've added a quick comment on the WikiOutdoors discussion. It looks like a neat idea, and hopefully the site takes off. Apologies for not looking into it more closely, but unfortunately real life has intervened, and for at least a couple of months my free time (particularly the 8:30 AM to 6:30 PM part) will be somewhat limited by that evil necessity that puts me in a cubicle in order to fund those trips to the Antartic... if only everyone had a cool travel web site that paid the bills! -- Ryan 22:58, 5 December 2006 (EST)

Wikimania speaker[edit]

Did you happen to catch the name of a speaker at Wikimania that was discussing a project to catalog books, articles, music and video clips? He also passed around several books that were downloaded and printed in matter of minutes in a mobile van somewhere in India. If you happen to know either his or the organization's name I'd appreciate it if you could give those to me. Thanks. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 08:22, 5 December 2006 (EST)

Brewster Kahle of the Internet Archives. --Evan 09:21, 5 December 2006 (EST)
Thank you! -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 09:23, 5 December 2006 (EST)
Thanks for moving the welcome message I left on User:KazzM to his talk page. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 15:36, 6 December 2006 (EST)

book links and bolded titles[edit]

Hey Evan, a quick question - is there a standard for bolded or unbolded titles when doing a list of, say, cities or regions? I've been doing some bolded recently (see 'get out' in Cox's Bazar) but figure I should ask before causing more work to undo later...

Also I've seen somewhere but can't find an example now, book listings, maybe a section called 'recommended reading'... is this ok, and I recall links to ISBN numbers and such... what's the policy? Cacahuate 08:08, 7 December 2006 (EST)

I believe it's just unbolded in the Wikitravel:article templates, and I kind of prefer it that way. A link at the beginning of a line is going to attract attention anyways, so boldface is kind of overkill. I do like using boldface in the text of the one-liner descriptions, since they give some idea of what's going on in that city.
As for books, I think they're supposed to go under "Understand". I don't like the word "recommended", since someone needs to be doing the recommending. I think in some parts of the site, there's a "Read" subsection of the Understand section.

You can make a link to a book with Special:Booksources. [[Special:Booksources/0887761690|The Hockey Sweater]] will give The Hockey Sweater. More info at Meta:Help:ISBN links. Please, only links to backgrounders (history, fiction, detailed natural sciences, etc.), not travel guides. --Evan 08:27, 7 December 2006 (EST)

perfect, thank you sir! Cacahuate 08:42, 7 December 2006 (EST)


Evan, something you did when editing the recently moved (by me) Oberlin page proved incredibly and reproducibly toxic to my web browser. The screen is covered with something looking like

listingGetAttr(), called in /var/www/wikitravel/mw/extensions/Listing.php on line 219 and defined in /var/www/wikitravel/mw/extensions/Listing.php on

What did you do? Looks like you're experimenting with something that's blowing up. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:26, 7 December 2006 (EST)

I see that too. -- Andrew
Fixed now. I added some code to actually parse the tags section of listings, and for some reason just didn't get it right. It shouldn't cause problems now. --Evan 18:20, 7 December 2006 (EST)
As it happens, that coincides with my changing IsPartOf to isIn, to try to give you some diagnostics to work with. Let me revert it and see if your fix did indeed fix it. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:25, 7 December 2006 (EST) -- Yup, that seems to do the trick. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:27, 7 December 2006 (EST)

Bus aggregator[edit]

Hi, Im just wondering about the charter bus pages being removed. I do not understand why group travel should not be a part of Wikitravel —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

It's a sticky situation, but I think chartering buses for a large group are outside our goals. Regardless, we only make external links to primary sources, so links to the bus charter aggregator you were adding would be off the table anyways. Hope that helps. --Evan 14:08, 10 December 2006 (EST)


Apologies. I reverted to a previous version on this page although you had already done it long before. Sorry. Xania 14:40, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Bug question[edit]

Any chance you might know why if you click "Edit" on one of the headers on Travel news it edits a different section? I.e. If you click "edit" for the "December" header you edit the "November" header. Should this be reported as a bug and if so since I think it's a EN specific bug where do you want it to be reported? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:13, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Template:Newsitem used <h3> tags, which caused the edit links to be thrown off. I've changed those to <div> tags, which seems to have fixed the issue. This issue is probably something that could be fixed in Mediawiki, but based on experience with JAMWiki it's not easy to figure out. -- Ryan 23:14, 10 December 2006 (EST)
Thanks! -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 23:15, 10 December 2006 (EST)

area codes[edit]

A few weeks ago you mentioned that you were going to try to add the area code function that Hypatia, you, and I had discussed on IRC. Any chance that may be coming soon? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:24, 11 December 2006 (EST)

Probably before the end of the month. --Evan 22:34, 11 December 2006 (EST)
Is it possible to localize the listing attributes or is that still a no-no? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:46, 11 December 2006 (EST)
I think it's a yes-yes. I wouldn't have spent hours building that feature if I didn't want it to work. Jani had a beef with it, though. We should probably discuss somewhere... like on shared:, maybe. --Evan 23:09, 11 December 2006 (EST)
Which function is this, please (and where is "shared:")? Andy Mabbett 09:17, 12 December 2006 (EST)
"shared:" is our shared repository for images, tech requests, and multilingual coordination. See shared:Main Page for details.
I've pulled together the spec idea on shared:, which is where it should have gone in the first place; it's here: shared:Tech:Automatic area codes in listings. Note that you can log into shared: with your en: user page as an OpenID. --Evan 10:03, 12 December 2006 (EST)
Thank you, I've replied there. Andy Mabbett 13:09, 12 December 2006 (EST)
Actually, I think the feature I was talking about was localization of the names of listing tags. So on French Wikitravel the drink tag may be called boire, and the address attribute might be adresse. Andrew is one of the main admins on our German Wikitravel, so he's been planning to localize the tags there. --Evan 10:07, 12 December 2006 (EST)
You're talking to the wrong guy. Jpatokal was the one who objected so strongly to localizing. The code is there, and the instructions are on en:Wikitravel:Listings. It's no longer a technical issue -- it's a community question, and apparently a cross-language community question. My opinion is on the shared: page. --Evan 09:13, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Re: Two things[edit]

'lo Evan, thanks for moving it, that was exactly what I intended. I'll translate it to english whenever I have some time available...

And yeah, I know about the portuguese version - I'm working on a few translations that hopefully soon will be done!


Mattalves 19:33, 12 December 2006 (EST)

December 2006 discussions[edit]

I tried to add this section (without this line) to Wikitravel_talk:Phone_numbers, but kept getting "spam blocked".

==December 2006 discussions==

See recent discussion at Tech: Automatic area codes in listings and on its talk page. Note also the hCard microformat, which allows for telephone number mark-up. Andy Mabbett 18:08, 13 December 2006 (EST)

  • That is to say, "how should I proceed?". Andy Mabbett 09:45, 15 December 2006 (EST)
I fixed the spam filter problem, and I've copied the above text to the page you wanted. --Evan 11:47, 15 December 2006 (EST)
Many thanks. Andy Mabbett 11:51, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Today's log[edit]

If I want to add a similar "Today's log" to DE do I need to do anything more than create MediaWiki:Portal and MediaWiki:Portal-url, then add that MediaWiki:Sidebar?

Nope, that should do it. It should point to "Special:Todayslog" or "Spezial:Todayslog". --Evan 12:32, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Cities and towns[edit]

I believe the distinction User:Paul. was trying to make was that Anglicism whereby the word "city" denotes not the size of a settelment, but its legal status -- a city is a town with a royal charter. Hence Wells is a city even though it has only 10K citizens. Our use of the header "Cities" often seems to hurt the brains of our English contributors. -- Colin 20:05, 14 December 2006 (EST)

I had no idea! Well, that is a very different kettle of fish... hmmm... North Americans use "city" for things that aren't really big ol' cities ("city hall", "city limits", "you have to get a permit from the city"). In any event, maybe we should discuss further on Wikitravel talk:Region article template#Cities. --Evan 20:11, 14 December 2006 (EST)
It doesn't hurt our brains; it's just wrong! Andy Mabbett 09:49, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Ah, I was just about to respond here but I see I've been beaten to the punch. Colin pretty much covered it, but I do think it's useful to distinguish between the three in the case of the UK at least as there is a clear dividing line between cities, towns and villages. It's not a matter of controversy as cities, towns and villages all have different status and are clearly defined. That being said I agree that the "Cities, towns and villages" header is clumsy, but I just wanted to see if you'd be amenable to keeping the "cities" header but allowing for sub-headers, at least in the case of the UK. If you want to keep the discussion on Wikitravel talk:Region article template#Cities then I can move this over, but figured it worth posting here first to see if you had strenuous objections. --Paul. 17:40, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Starting new guides[edit]

Evan help my travel guides? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

I and other users have asked you to please follow our rules when making new guides; see User talk: If you can't do that, I don't know what I can do to help you. --Evan 13:57, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Few things[edit]

  • Did you see Jani's concerns, rather hatred, toward localizing listing tags and attributes?
  • Who or what is Alexa?
  • I'm not sure if you saw this on DE, but if you could install the recent changes patrol feature on DE that would be awesome. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 21:25, 17 December 2006 (EST)
  • I hadn't seen it, I've responded.
  • Alexa is a little toolbar that people put in their browsers to get information about the sites they're looking at. As a side-benefit (sort of), keeps track of all the sites people go to, and ranks sites by popularity. It's become the default way to measure relative popularity of a site for people who can't afford fancy reports like Comscore. You can see Wikitravel's stats at . You can have fun comparing us to,,,,,, or I mentioned that Wikitravel is currently the #2 travel guide after LP; for other travel resources,, and continue to beat us out. However, I don't consider them true "travel guides" in the same way LP or Rough Guides are.
  • OK, will do in a few minutes. --Evan 21:37, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Wikitravellers in Montréal[edit]

Thanks for the kind invite for some poutine in Montréal. Unfortunately my travel dates are now fixed, and I'm only in town from 28 December until the morning of 3 January, when I catch the Adirondack train en route to Chicago. Thanks for the kind offer, I'll be heading to La Banquise or maybe Frites Alors the very moment I get in from the airport :) --James 22:11, 20 December 2006 (GMT)

Enjoy, and please keep us in mind if you're in town again. --Evan 17:43, 20 December 2006 (EST)


Would you please blank my user page? I want to see the "Edit Conflict" page when it's displayed. Thanks. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 23:18, 22 December 2006 (EST)


Apparently, our friends that helped you get eo off the ground haven't been around for a while and spammers have taken over. Since you have sysop status you may want to go and delete a few articles. I've updated the spam filter, but of course that won't stop everything. Since recent changes only keeps a partial history of the recent changes I can't tell just how much damage the spammers have done, but I do know you want to delete eo:Wikitravel:Wiki. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 05:05, 23 December 2006 (EST)

Birthday cake[edit]

Yup, you pegged it. Thanks for the virtual cake -- maybe not as tasty as the real kind, but with the advantage of imparting only virtual calories! :-) -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:18, 24 December 2006 (EST)

RE: Border towns[edit]

Hey Evan, Sapphire pointed out your comment to me about border towns after I just created the article, I posted a reply over there  :) Cacahuate 03:32, 25 December 2006 (EST)


Greetings - I recently downloaded an image from World66. Could you confirm that that is ok according to Wikitravel copyleft policy. If not, I'll delete it, but if it is acceptable, then maybe I'll seek out others. Thanks a lot. WindHorse 11:05, 25 December 2006 (EST)

It should be fine. Just make sure you get the attribution, and if you include a link to the original image page on W66, that's great. --Evan 12:53, 25 December 2006 (EST)


I sent you an email and if a word or two doesn't make sense that's because I think I may have hit "change" on the spell check one or two times too many. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:34, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Discussion about wikivoyage[edit]

Did You see the mail on Your de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Evan? --Flip666 07:48, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Yes, I did see it, thanks! --Evan 13:48, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Wiki for paper publications[edit]

I am enjoying making contributions to wikitravel. I have a file of climate information my colleagues and I have been working on for a couple of years now. I would like to contribute it over the next few months. I am inerested in starting a wiki myself: one so that writers of critical essays and articles on theatre and interdisciplinary arts can contibute and share their work. Is it ieasy to set up a wiki? Where does one go for software information and server requirements?

I on't know if I am using this user talk thing right. It didn't put my username on the posting-- It is Stephen Atkins

So, lemme see if I can answer these in order. First, I am enjoying your contributions to Wikitravel -- they're greatly appreciated. Second, for climate, I wonder if you've seen Template:ClimateCelsius and [[:Template:ClimateFarenheit? Maybe you could coordinate with User:Sapphire.
On starting a wiki: I think that the wikibook on starting a wiki is a very good treatment. It's not hard starting a wiki -- what's hard is sticking with it, helping people who find your wiki, keeping your mind open to good ideas, and communicating your vision to those who may not get it at first. You may also enjoy reading about wikis at MeatballWiki, a great site about communities and wikis.
Lastly, to sign your name on talk pages, use four tildes (~~~~). Wikitravel:using talk pages has some more info. --Evan 00:14, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Thank you. I'll look into the sources you've provided.Stephen Atkins 10:50, 3 January 2007 (EST)

==Help Evan or X

i need help cleaning up and adding more.

Edit stats[edit]

If you would I'd appreciate it. I'm interested in seeing the past couple of years worth of edits stats for DE. I could have sworn that I came across a link to a page like that earlier this year, but for the life of me can't find one now. How far back can you go? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 01:30, 6 January 2007 (EST)


I have to head out for a little bit. Will you be available around 11:30 (EST)? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 07:17, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Yep, no problem. --Evan 10:21, 8 January 2007 (EST)


Hi Evan. I am incredibly impressed with this project, and equally impressed with your direct involvement (You've solved a couple of my probs personally, and i've only been doing this a couple of days). I have many photos which seem appropriate for some of the items that are discussed. Where and when do you want photos? WHen is it appropriate to complement an article with a photo, and what sort of photos are appropriate (Size?). Thanks Guavafruit

Wow! Thanks. We have an Wikitravel:image policy that outlines the how and when to use images; it's a little dated and probably overly strict, but most of the principles still hold and if you stay within 2x-3x the rules-of-thumb it should be fine. To upload, you should use our shared server, which allows including images in any of our other language versions, too. --Evan 23:40, 10 January 2007 (EST)

re: Recent changes patrol[edit]

Although our number of daily edits is still quite manageable by our small team, I think it would be cool if you enabled that feature on pt too. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 20:31, 11 January 2007 (EST)



I would prefer not to post to Wikitravel talk:Attraction listings. I don't really want to get involved with the technical aspects of wikitravel (I have enough of that at work). I am however rather enjoying making updates, as I have to remember places I have visited before and learn some new things about my country (I must have driven through Cradock 20 times in the last 5 years, but never know about the egg rock or tuishuise)

As for the way I was using the Wikitravel:Listings: I'm not at all happy with it either, but thought that I would leave them there and think about it for a short while. You are right, they need to be changed.

What I really wanted to do was

<do name="Skydiving" url="Skydiving">
, i.e.

Skydiving, [1].  edit but unfortunately that resolves to non-existing rather than

I'll back out the changes, I think there is only two in addition to the one you already changed.

OK, there was quite a bit more than just two, but I think I got them all sorted now NJR_ZA 10:54, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Is Xroads ready for plugging?[edit]

Somebody is asking about xreferencing blogs with WT pages, over on Talk:Paris. -- NJR_ZA 10:54, 13 January 2007 (EST)


The esparanto wiki seems to get bombarded with spam on a particular page. Since the page is not even in the normal namespace, perhaps it should be added to robots.txt to at least make the spam ineffective. -- NJR_ZA 10:54, 13 January 2007 (EST)

See also User_talk:Evan#eo. -- NJR_ZA 10:54, 13 January 2007 (EST)

German classes[edit]


I have several RSS feeds for English language news services and German language news services. The German language RSS feeds have helped me relearn a few things that I've forgotten about German. The sites that I use are Welt [2] and Frankfurter Allgemeine [3], both of which are popular newspapers in Germany. Der Spiegel [4] is a Newsweek type of magazine so it's not very easy to comprehend everything printed in there, but if you want to challenge yourself it'll help. The only problem it poses for people beginning to learn German is that it's written in "written German" (Well, duh.). The problem with that is that verbs take a different form than spoken German and that can be very confusing. Also, this website is priceless with providing accurate instant translations for individual words and useful phrases. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:37, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Hast es immer noch nicht gelernt. Du solltest vielleicht lieber bei Micky Maus anfangen. Oder? Nein, das waer immer zu schwer fuer dich. Fang lieber bei Mausi an¬!!!!!!!!

Der Spiegel ist fuer Fortgeschrittene eine gut Hilfe, aber bei deinem armseligen Deutsch ist das wohl eine, nein zehn Stufen zu viel.


"user created account for..."[edit]

what does it mean in the new user creation log when it says

  • 23:34, 16 January 2007 JHONNY (Talk | contribs) created account for User:JHONNY .D (Talk | contribs | block)
  • 23:32, 16 January 2007 JHONNY (Talk | contribs) New user

??? Cacahuate 06:16, 19 January 2007 (EST)

I don't know. It's a mystery to me, too. --Evan 06:54, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Weird, I've seen it occasionally, maybe every 100 users or so... hmmm... Cacahuate 07:00, 19 January 2007 (EST)

IB tag line[edit]

I edited the template on DE to include a <br/> so to seperate the copyright portion from the tag line. There doesn't seem to be any adverse effects. Also, Phil has suggested that it shouldn't be translated because the German equivalent sounds strange. Thanks for the help. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:26, 19 January 2007 (EST)


Dear Evan! Nowadays hungarian wikitravel is very slow. Could you do something? Thanks! Dorgan 08:01, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Looks like a problem with the Sidebar. I think it's fixed now! --Evan 12:43, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Thank you, now it's working. Dorgan 18:37, 20 January 2007 (EST)

User:Cacahuate to admin status?[edit]

I think this guy is slightly overdue in being converted to admin status! He's not on the list yet! -- Tim 09:34, 21 January 2007 (EST)[edit]

Hey there, just a quick question since you're online... what's with all of the hotel websites that his person is adding that all end in ?r=947 like - is this something fishy... like maybe getting a referral credit or something? ::: Cacahuate 11:47, 22 January 2007 (EST)

That's what I assume. The links work fine without the extra code, so I don't see a reason to leave them in. Our external links guideline suggests using the shortest, clearest working link. --Evan 11:51, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Difference between IsIn and IsPartOf ?[edit]

I see you have changed Western Cape. Other than the entry for IsPartOf not needing to be encoded, is there any other difference?

Nope, that's the only difference. --Evan 15:53, 22 January 2007 (EST)

As requested[edit]

Evan, as you so kindly mentioned on Swedish Wikitravel Report for 23 December 2006, you asked which bug reports I thought should be prioritised. I have two "top issues" where I would like your assistance; Tech:HasDocent template - translation, etc and Tech:IsIn problem on sv:. I have updated them with as much information as I can, but if there is anything you need me to clarify, please let me know. I have asked a fello user to check the same bugs, and he has come up with the same problem. BR, Riggwelter 16:04, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Thank you for your, as I must say, really quick reply! :-) The problem, however, is that it still does not work...the IsIn issue is not working and the guide box does still not show up (for an example of the guide issue, see Nybro). As for the IsIn issue, please have a look at Nybro, whose parent article should be Småland. The code, {{IsIn|Småland}}, is all there in edit mode, but in read-only mode - nothing. I have checked on three different computers on three different ISP's, but it is still not working as intended. I am sorry, but do you think you could have another look? Riggwelter 02:43, 23 January 2007 (EST)

shared:Tech:Cache bug on DE[edit]


We're having some serious problems with the cache on de. Pages aren't displaying correctly after someone edits a page and I'd really appreciate it if you could take some time and look over the problem, which I've noted on Shared. -- 21:19, 23 January 2007 (EST)


Hi Evan. Thanks for welcoming me. I don't think I'll be using this too often though. Do you mind if I ask if I can upload images from commons? It doesn't work like on Wikipedia. | AndonicO 08:18, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Internet Brands[edit]

Hi Evan. Just wondering what the current deal with IB is... we don't seem to have heard much about the whole thing for a while! When's the merger with World66 going to happen? Just curious really - if you can't tell us, then I guess that's okay, but it would be nice to know! Tim 15:41, 25 January 2007 (EST)

It's something we're still trying to figure out. The first stage of integration is that we're developing features around personal opinion and person experience -- reviews, blogs, photo sharing, forums, etc. We're going to combine the two guides at some point, but it's not clear when. Right now, most of my time is spent sysadmining the Wikitravel boxes and working on new software. --Evan 20:07, 25 January 2007 (EST)