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User talk:Evan/Jan 2005

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On en.wikipedia we are setting up UN/LOCODE ( ) redirects for cities. That makes linking from outside of wikipedia easier. There are some places with different names on the world, but those places have only one UN/LOCODE.

Maybe we can do something like this on wikitravel, but shorter. Could maybe 5 uppercase letters be reserved?. Or should this feature be put outside the article space, or even outside the language-space.

... Tobias Conradi 23:25, 3 Jan 2005 (EST)

I love this idea! What about setting up a separate namespace, like Locode: ? I think there are a lot of things to work out. I think there are a lot of ways to work this. Unfortunately, my connectivity is pretty limited right now... maybe we should start a page on Wikitravel:geocoding, or even a Wikitravel:Geocoding Expedition (see Wikitravel:Expeditions)? --Evan 22:17, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)
namespace Locode: is fine, because UN/LOCODE: does not seem to be feasible. I am currently asking UN publications office, about copyright. ( ) If it turns out bad, we can create our own free and open codes :-).

Locode:ABCDE could present links to articles on wikitravel, on wikipedia and links to good external pages that use this codes. I contact you, if I know more about the copyright. Tobias Conradi 03:26, 8 Jan 2005 (EST)

Delenda Est[edit]

I noticed that Image:Nativity Monk.JPG still exists AND is listed in Wikitravel:Deletion log. How does that happen? -- Colin 19:15, 4 Jan 2005 (EST)

Jpatokal re-uploaded it after it was deleted. See Wikitravel:votes for undeletion. I'm not sure what to do with it now. --Evan 22:18, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

Galveston 500 Error[edit]

Galveston still is giving a 500 error when someone tries to edit it. I think the best thing to do is copy the information off the page and then delete the page.--Texas Web Scout 09:22, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

See Wikitravel:Bug reports 1.3.5#Galveston Broken for the full story. -- Huttite 15:29, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

WikiWiki ownership[edit]

I have edited your WikiWiki page because I believe you have misinterpreted the meaning of Collective Work and Derivative Work. I too cannot get my head around who owns the copyright to an article that has been subject to many edits, but I believe I am correct in my interpretation of the different Works.

I will put the exact reasons on the talk for the page, or wherever is more appropriate.

For some reason, I am not logged in, perhaps I have multiple sessions, but my userid is rjhodgson.

Love the site, and have plunged, I have also had an idea, but dont want to publicise it here, maybe you can email me, I am sure you can get my addy from somewhere :)

So, first of all, I make a very distinct point of not digging out email addresses for people from the DB. I can use the "email this user" feature in Wikitravel, though, which I'll do right away.
Second, I think you're mistaken about what a collective work is. A collective work would be, say, an anthology of poems, a magazine with many articles, a book of photographs, a musical album, or a Linux distribution. That is, it's a group of works that can stand alone in their own right but are chosen or assembled together for some reason (convenience, similarity, etc.).
One work is a derivative of another, though, if it is based on the other, or contains the other in whole or in part. For example, a movie based on a novel is a derivative work; a novel featuring the characters in a movie is a derivative work. A translation of a poem from one language to another is a derivative work, and a new edition or abridgement of a story is a derivative work. A new version of a piece of software is (almost always) a derivative work of the previous version.
There are two ways to apply these ideas to wiki. Individual pages are (almost always) standalone works, grouped together to form a whole. But the different versions of a page are derivative works of each other. Each contributor takes the work as they find it and edits, adds, or subtracts parts to make a new work based on the previous version.
I realize that there are some folks who try to consider each word and sentence as an individually copyrightable work that just happens to be on the same page as other words and sentences, but this is clearly not the case. When you edit a page, you take an existing work and modify it to produce a new work. That's very clearly a derivative work relationship. --Evan 14:26, 20 Jan 2005 (EST)


I'm a bit hurt that you didn't respond to my note at User talk:Evan/Dec 2004#Wikimedia? --Maveric149 22:13, 21 Jan 2005 (EST)

Don't be hurt! I'm very sorry. Maj and I were on our honeymoon, and we didn't have very good net access. I still haven't caught up on all my correspondence. I'll try and come up with a more in-depth response this wknd. --Evan 14:21, 22 Jan 2005 (EST)

Voicing Globally[edit]

Hi Evan,

Ahhh, my favorite travel is also about North America by car. What a continent!

You might be interested in some of the discussion going on about a new "global voices" project which hopes to identify local voices and content sources for every part of the world. The idea is being developed and promoted by a collection of bloggers and media veterans, which I am tangentially tied into.

See Talk:BridgeBlog on the GV site for more. It would be nice to have your take on where to look for personal local perspectives around the world -- from the viewpoint of someone going on a trip, and from that of someone trying to understand changes and news around the world. Sj 01:25, 29 Jan 2005 (EST)