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Re: GFDL, yes that's what I figured. How annoying considering I was the (only) writer of the Wikipedia article on Tioman, and now I have to refactor my own words to make it usable here. Oh well, maybe someday I'll get around to doing that, but it's hard to get excited about "rephrasing" so it will have to wait. I understand the necessity of doing the legal thing, I really do, but my eyes glaze over with complete boredom at this kind of stuff, so I'll keep pitching in on more interesting stuff. Thanks. Fuzheado 04:43, 1 Feb 2004 (EST)

I checked the Wikipedia history, and yes, it seems like you're the only author there. I thus reverted the article to your original version, and reformatted to be more like a Wikitravel article. I also put a note on the Talk page about it, so that it doesn't happen again. --Evan 10:31, 2 Feb 2004 (EST)

What is a good reason? I figured Kuala Lampur had a link to it, but Bears didn't, and we don't need an article about bears (though we do have one about Bern). -phma 21:12, 1 Feb 2004 (EST)

I'm not saying we need Bears. But I think the rule of thumb should be: can we let this article entry sit for the 7 days required to let it go through the votes for deletion queue? If so, then we should favor v.f.d. over immediate deletion.
This has the dual value of a) stating the principle of why Bears isn't a good article for a travel guide and b) pointing out that finding and removing articles that don't meet our goals isn't the exclusive job of people with their admin bit flipped. Yes, only admins can give the final chop, but we're all supposed to be checking for it.
The deletion policy explicitly says that admins can delete at will. But I'd rather that we don't get in that habit if we don't have to. --Evan 10:31, 2 Feb 2004 (EST)

Thanks for the clarification re: copyright and content for Tioman. Fuzheado 23:35, 2 Feb 2004 (EST)

Thanks also for the notes on leaving comments (Manchester UK Talk pages) Alasdair 21:51, 14 Feb 2004 (EST)

Dear Mighty Silverback,

I'm working on a python script that will suck in the TIGERLine data and spit out SVG that people then can manipulate in whatever way. This will be cool because then we will be able to do most US city maps fairly easily (I hope.)

So when I'm done with this tool I don't want it just published on my site, because if my box disappears or I buy the farm it may disappear forever. Is there a way to make it part of the Wiki easily, and how would I do this? Just make a new node and paste it in? Or is there a better magical way?

-- Yosemite 01:54, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)

So, the idea being to save the code for future or downstream users? That's a cool idea. How about using Special:Upload to upload a tarball? Or just upload the Python script? This is a really good idea, by the way -- I'm quite impressed! --Evan 01:58, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)
Actually, I had another idea. We can set up an arch repository on, say,, for just this kind of thing. Maybe sftp for write access, http for read-only access? Does that sound reasonable? --Evan 12:25, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)
Sounds good to me. I'm writing my own map converter, which will be ready for drawing its first map in a couple of days, and would like to upload it and maybe cross-fertilize with Yosemite's (it's also in Python). I don't think Special:Upload is right for programs, since they should have a different license - what license is appropriate? -phma 18:48, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)

Arch is fine by me. The setup sounds about right. As far as licenses go I plan on putting mine under the GPL since it is now not part of the Wiki.
-- Yosemite 21:14, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)

Buying / renting

Evan, it was never my intention to blank the page. I must have done it by mistake. I looked at it afterwards and when I didn't see anything I thought it had to be something with my browser or Wikitravel itself. Never thought it could actually be *me* :-( Sorry, but as you know I've got lots of work and I *am* pretty tired. I wish I could do more for Wikitravel, but alas... DhDh 16:36, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)

No sweat. I figured it was a mistake. I just wanted to let you know that I'd reverted, in case you did do it on purpose for some good reason I didn't understand.
Anyways, take it easy, don't kill yourself! Wikitravel's supposed to be fun -- a relief from work, not extra work. --Evan 16:49, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)


Evan, no sweat. I've added language certifying that I took the photos and give Wikitravel my blessing to use them. Let me know if you need anything more than that. Fuzheado 00:31, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)

Nope, that's it! Thanks a ton! --Evan 11:03, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)


Evan, there is definitely something wrong with my browser. I just posted a comment on the traveller's pub and most of the page was gone! What's worse: I'm unable to revert it. This time I know I didn't do anything wrong. I'll have a look at it this weekend. Could you fix the page for me? Thanks a lot! DhDh 12:32, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)

Oh man!!!! I should sink in the ground of shame!!!!! :-((((( DhDh 12:34, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)

No, that's perfectly reasonable. It seems like the "Post a comment" feature should go to the pub itself, not to the talk page. There are a couple of other pages like this: bug reports, feature requests.
I'm wondering if maybe doing a redirect from the Talk: page to the page itself would work... I'm going to experiment a bit. But, uh... hee hee. --Evan 12:51, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)

Meeting in London

I left a note on Maj's page too... Are you guys interested in meeting up while you're in London? Is there a meet with London Wikipedians already organised? - MykReeve 17:18, 9 Feb 2004 (EST)

I don't think there's a Wikipedia meet for that week, but I started a Wikitravel meetup for the third Monday of each month. See I'm not sure whether any of the locations listed there are any good, but maybe it's a start. Monday at 7PM seem OK to you? --Evan 16:21, 10 Feb 2004 (EST)
Yeah, that'd be fine. I finish work at around 5:30 most days. Given that only one of the locations on for London is a pub (and one located in the wilds of Southwark at that!), I hope you won't mind if I suggest a more central location. The Round Table pub, near Leicester Square tube is pretty good, and usually fairly empty on a Monday night. It's here on a pedestrianised street called St Martin's Court, just behind Wyndham's Theatre. Like most London pubs, it has an intriguing history: The Round Table. Quite irritating that won't let you suggest your own meeting locations without giving them money... not so keen on that aspect of the site.
I notice offers Forbidden Planet as a meeting point, which has received one vote... The shop's actually changed location since then - it's now on Shaftesbury Avenue round about here. So if there is a reason to want to go there (buying your body weight in Star Wars merchandising, or similar) then it'll mean a little walk. - MykReeve 17:21, 10 Feb 2004 (EST)
Hope this is still on. Will see you and Maj this evening. Any probs, drop me an email. - MykReeve 05:05, 16 Feb 2004 (EST)
We'll be there. See you at the Round Table at 7PM. --Evan 11:34, 16 Feb 2004 (EST)

Seattle map

Evan, I've seen that same map repurposed often here in Seattle, and there is no copyright claim on the web page it comes from (though, admittedly there is for some other content on the site). I am certain that the last thing the city would want to do, even if copyright exists, is enforce it against a web site that promotes tourism to their city.

Having dealt with the city gov't here, including their webmasters, it would be incredibly tedious to get explicit permission to use it, and I'm not going to pursue that wild goose chase.

If you actually think this is a problem, ping me again, and I will create a (probably slightly less topographically accurate) map from scratch. We really do need something, though, because these neighborhoods are how everyone in Seattle talks about where anything is. -- Jmabel 19:32, 9 Feb 2004 (EST)


Hi Evan. How do you feel about putting breadcrumbs (similar to the Romania Wikitravel) on each page to indicate the hierarchy for each location? I find them really helpful and would contribute many if you don't mind having them. -- Anca

Actually, I want to automate this feature, so you can just put:

...into the Barcelona page, and all the breadcrumb stuff gets worked out automatically.

There's a note on Wikitravel:Feature requests about this. So, absolutely positively please don't do this.
Also, a good idea would be to bring this kind of thing up on Wikitravel talk:Article templates. --Evan 10:22, 13 Feb 2004 (EST)

Quick Linking?

Also, how about putting page templates in an easier place (like under the "special pages" link in the left-hand site). I often have 10-15 minutes and I could use them to add some of the most-requested pages, but I am intimidated by having to hunt for the right template. Am I just super-lazy? -- Anca

No, it's a good idea. I use a browser bookmark to go straight to the templates, but I think you're right about adding quick links. I'll look into it. --Evan 10:23, 13 Feb 2004 (EST)

Counting all pages

I counted 26 destinations, countries, etc. on fr:, out of 34 articles (the rest are mostly phrasebooks and redirects). How do I list all articles in the Wikitravel: namespace? We've been quite busy on those too.

By the way, I made a pun when editing one of the meta pages on fr:. Can you figure it out? -phma 20:44, 15 Feb 2004 (EST)

Cross language links bug

Some people have reported this bug on Wikitravel. Is it fixed? cf. There was a similar bug on Wikisource cf. Thanks. Yann 11:49, 16 Feb 2004 (EST)

Need your help

Hi Evan,

Two more things, we need your help.

  1. How to change the Recentchanges head, as I asked in the pub: Wikitravel:Travellers'_pub#Recent_changes_links?
  2. On fr: the Aide link on the top of each page is wrong. It should lead to [[Wikitravel:Aide]].
  3. What about the bug I have mentioned above?

Thanks, Yann 16:47, 19 Feb 2004 (EST)

So, 1) I have to do on the server, in the LanguageFr.php file. Drop in the Wiki markup you want on that page right here, and I'll update it on the server.
A link from fr:RC to English and from en:RC to French would be nice. Actually, would it be possible that we can edit it ourselves, as fr:Wikipedia and en:Wikipedia ? Thanks, Yann 13:34, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)
2) should be fixed now. There was an error in the LanguageFr.php file, where the undefined $wgSitenamespace was used instead of $wgMetaNamespace.
3) I'll try to get to the Wikipedia-link bug today. It means fiddling with a couple of .php files and a database table on the server. --Evan 08:10, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)

Looking for (net http) (guile)

Hello Evan,

sorry for the off-topic post here, but I couldn't find an "e-mail this user" link on your personal page. I am currently updating the broken links on the GNU guile project page. One of the broken ones is the one for (net http), pointing to

You can reply by mail: [email protected]

Greetings, Thomas

Hi Evan ! I imported the Wikitravel logo on fr:WP and Yann did it on en:WP. But we didn't mention any licence. Is it total free or copyleft (ASA) or GFDL ? copyright ??! :o) --Pontauxchats 05:31, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)

As far as I know, it's under the by-sa 1.0. See Wikitravel:logo contest for details. --Evan 07:46, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)
As I understood, there was only one proposition. Right ? :o( And the "vote" is over now. I think this logo would have been better if the flèche was in the other direction, I mean from left to right (=dynamism and looking forward). The actual sens seems to say Wikitravel is looking backward. :o( --Pontauxchats 08:55, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)
Did you want to find out the license information for the logo, or were you interested in debating its merits? B-) I think it looks great, but if you think it's unacceptable, and we need to start working on a new one, let's get that process started. Maybe on the Travellers' pub? By the way, there are two arrows, and if I'm not mistaken they follow the prevailing winds in both hemispheres. --Evan 09:02, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)
  1. prevailing winds blow this way around équateur, and in the other way beyond the 30° parallèle (look here)(take a look to the traject of sailors around the globe), so it's ot a good argument, but it doesn't matter :o) It was just about esthetic.
  2. I didn't want to resart a vote on the logo, qui me plait bien en soi :o), I just told you my opinion about this esthetic choice and the regret there was no other proposition. --Pontauxchats 09:45, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)
OK, I guess I misunderstood you. Sorry! Looks like you're correct about the winds, too. I would have liked to have gotten more logo contest entries, but we didn't, and we got a surprisingly good one as the one entry, so I consider us lucky. --Evan 09:47, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)
Oui, nous avons eu de la chance :o) --Pontauxchats 10:08, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)


I proposed a script called Wechselbot. What do you think? -phma 21:59, 22 Feb 2004 (EST)

Links to Wikipedia

copie de la discussion sur fr:WT

Hi Evan. Something else now : how can we make a link to an article on fr:Wikipédia, like for example with Europe. The way we do on en:WT doesn't work hier --Pontauxchats 13 fév 2004 à 04:39 (EST)

mais non pas en anglais il a dit le monsieur ;-)
En français : Dis-moi Evan, comment peut-on faire un lien entre un article du fr:WT vers le fr:WP ? le systême employé sur en:WP ne marche pas ici !?? --Pontauxchats 08:03, 27 Feb 2004 (EST)