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Links to Travelguidebooks Store[edit]

Dear Even, I am Moritz from Berlin, Germany and I am owner of a travelguide and map shop ( We deliver about 10.000 german and english speaking titles to customers in germany, switzerland and austria. I have been following the wikitravel project for some time now and I have been thinking about what we could do for each other.

my first thought was that it would be very attractive for travelguides24 to be listet on the german booksource page

we usually give 10% of the bookprice to our partners, and we could give this money to wikitravel for server running expenses. alternatively this could be a donation to a non for profit organisation as well.

Travelguides24 has some content available in digital form, which might be interesting to share.

let me know your thoughts. moritz ([email protected])

Adding a section to the Main Page[edit]

(Copied from Talk:Main Page)

There is currently (2 April 06) a discussion going on at the talk page for Wikitravel:Destination of the Month candidates, about possibly adding an "Off The Beaten Path" box to the Main Page. Todd VerBeek has genned up a sample of what this might look like, appearing on the Wikitravel:Graffiti wall. The idea is to accommodate a wider range of DotMs than can currently be done, since there's beginning to be a substantial backlog of attractive candidates. This idea seems to have legs; if interested, drop by the talk page and join the discussion. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 00:05, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

Help with removing date stamps from digital images[edit]

I believe you once did this for some images I uploaded, and I would dearly love to know how you do it. Thanks. Historian 03:05, 3 April 2006 (EDT)


Sorry to have bothered you. How about this? --Episteme 11:05, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

That looks great. If you think it's ready, let's move it to Wikitravel:Babel. --Evan 11:42, 3 April 2006 (EDT)
Thanks for your reviewing. Could you please do it? --Episteme 13:31, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

Discussion needing your comment[edit]

Hi Evan - there are a few ongoing discussions out there that would benefit from comment from you (I know, huge surprise). The first three items currently listed on Wikitravel:Votes for deletion (a shared image and two templates) could all use some comment from you - shared images can't be deleted by normal admins, and the templates were created by MediaWiki scripts within the MediaWiki namespace. In addition, there has been some discussion about the feasibility of modifying the image upload page on Wikitravel talk:Image policy#Image upload page - the issue there is that currently uploaders are given very little guidance about specifying license and such. In each of these cases you're the only one who can do anything, so even just a note saying "I'm too busy right now" or "that's easy, but we'll deal with it later" would be helpful. Thanks! -- Ryan 10:55, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

Done! Thanks for the pointers. --Evan 12:23, 5 April 2006 (EDT)


Sorry, about sending that email four times. Internet connection went out a couple times and I hit send everytime it came back on. I didn't realize it had sent it before losing the connection. Sapphire 11:16, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

Database on Shared locked?[edit]

Shared (only) returns "Database locked for maintenance" when I attempt to edit. Intentional? Jpatokal 22:37, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

Not really. That happens for a weekly DB maintenance job that must have been interrupted. I've cleared the lock and checked the DB, and it should be fine now. --Evan 23:17, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

Creative Commons version 2.5 in polish wikitravel[edit]

What o you think to change a license in Polish Wikitravel to version 2.5? I think that is good think that this versionis tranlated to polish (in future it will be a more useful for polish user). I don't know whether this licence is in accordance with the 1.0 version (if somebody would like to translate from to Polish).

I'm a polish Wikipedia user and I would like to used dual-licensing (GFDL) but I knot that is almost impossible. But some wikipedia user used a dual-licensing (not all). Adam Dziura 02:03, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

Having different versions of Wikitravel use different versions of the by-sa license is going to be a huge hassle. Can you live with the Polish translated deed right now, and when we do an across-the-board license upgrade, change to the pl one then? --Evan 09:20, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

Opinion please[edit]

Please comment on this question/issue. Wikitravel_talk:Article_naming_conventions#Ostbahnhof Thanks! Sapphire 08:36, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

Travel Topic statuses[edit]

I agree that status tags for Travel Topics are a good idea; I just didn't think it was appropriate to apply the existing tags when there are no standards for how to do that. Once we have them, it'll only take a little while to (re-)tag them all. I'd be happy to try drafting some milestones to use, following a similar 5-point scale. - Todd VerBeek 16:54, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

One thing I've wondered about is if there is any way we could create some sort of travel topic template - I realize these kind of vary wildly, but Understand should be common, and a list of places to "do" the topic should also be standard, perhaps a stay safe section, and others I'm sure could be applied reasonably universally. I think having some kind of template would make it much easier to apply a status. Either of you (or anyone else) agree and might want to take a stab at creating one? -- Ryan 16:58, 7 April 2006 (EDT)

MediaWiki Extension with RFD Tags[edit]

After asking a question on the discussion page for the Main Page, I learned that the WikiTravel hierarchical directories (e.g., Asia: Middle East: Iran) that appear on the top of each destination page are the result of a MediaWiki extension that you designed which uses an RFD specification. Being new to designing a web site, never mind launching a wiki, I'm not sure where to find this extension or how to use it. Many thanks, 01:09, 27 March 2006 (EST)

If you're not used to designing a Web site, nor launching a wiki, I don't think it's going to be useful to you. However, it's available at if you want to try it. --Evan 09:57, 27 March 2006 (EST)
Thanks for your help, I have accessed the file and installed RAP. I am having a problem with installation, though: what the is the /*Config Stuff*/ to /*Config End*/ in MwRDF.php intended for? Is it necessary? I have pasted it in LocalSettings.php (not sure what is meant by "reset") and moved it around within MwRDF.php, but I still get an error message on my page when I try to run it that reads, "Notice: Use of undefined constant MwRdfCreativeCommons - assumed 'MwRdfCreativeCommons' in c:\program files\easyphp1-8\www\mediawiki-1.5.6\extensions\MwRdf.php on line 62". This message is included for all constants included in that section ('MwRdfLinksTo', 'MwRdfCategories', etc.) I get this same message with reference to LocalSettings when I place the section there. Where are these constants defined (it appears they are defined in MwRdf, but that does not explain the error msg)? When I have simply eliminated this section entirely from MwRdf.php, the site has launched as usual, but there is no indication of Rfd capabilities and Special:RFD does not exist. Can I eliminate this section entirely and go through some other procedure to have Special:RFD created? Your advice is a big help, I hope this is not too time-consuming for you. 03:31, 2 April 2006 (EDT)
No, it's fine. Did you read the "README.RDF.txt" file? There's a section on installation. You should only have to add two lines to the config file. You should not copy all those other lines between Config Start and Config End; those are variables that can be set in your LocalSettings.php, and they are documented in the README. Please: take a close look at the README file. --Evan 11:05, 2 April 2006 (EDT)
Hi, I found the problem (nothing like the feeling of your first troubleshooting task). In the Config section, functions like 'MwRdfLinksTo' & 'MwRdfCategories' are recognized as constants instead of functions because they are not surrounded by single quotes. So under ($wgRdfModelFunctions = array('inpage' => MwRdfInPage) and other listings the MwRdfInPage needs to be 'MwRdfInPage'. Not sure if it is a windows thing or whatever. 23:50, 7 April 2006 (EDT)
I don't know, either. All I know is that it works as coded on this side.
Although I admire your persistence, I'd like to once again discourage you from pursuing this project. If you're really hot to get breadcrumb menus working, I'd advise that you look into the $wgUseCategoryBrowser variable. It seems to work OK, although we don't use categories on Wikitravel so I can't tell you for sure. --Evan 00:25, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Id love to get my hands on the code for this as well Evan- i just went to the link u posted before ( ) and it was broken. Can you either re-post it or let me know how i can set it up myself? --Buggit 24 May 2006 (EDT)

The code is in MediaWiki's subversion repository, here. You really don't want it; look at $wgUseCategoryBrowser in DefaultSettings.php instead. --Evan 10:00, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

Problem with a picture[edit]


I've just uploaded a self-made map of the Inle Lake in Myanmar on Shared Wikitravel. But I cannot see it. I've added the link to the article (Inle Lake) but nobody can see the map (Image:KarteInleSee.png) - only the link. Do you know why? -- DerFussi 02:47, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Well, the file isn't there. It looks like there was an error with the last upload -- you can see that the last version is broken. I've re-uploaded the newest version that didn't look broken, but you might want to re-upload your latest version. By the way, nice map! One thing, though: for Wikitravel Shared, at least, I think it's crucial to upload source SVG files for maps -- since the names of things will change. Can you upload the source for the karten you've done so far? --Evan 10:06, 8 April 2006 (EDT)
I will try to reupload it. And I'm going to provide the SVG-files. The next one will be a city map of Siem Reap -- DerFussi 10:28, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Thought I would report a bug[edit]

Everytime I click a different link on Wikitravel the list of links at the top switches between the left and right side of the screen. The links I'm referring to are - "(User name)", "my talk," "preferences," "my watchlist," "my contributions," and "log out." Sapphire 14:33, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Which browser? Also, it will flash at the beginning as the Javascript fills in the list with your personal information; does it actually end up at one end of the screen or the other? It should be on the far right. --Evan 20:49, 8 April 2006 (EDT)

Template updates[edit]

Understood. Rest assured that I won't be touching the existing status templates in the forseeable future. - Todd VerBeek 20:58, 10 April 2006 (EDT)

OK. My point was less "don't touch them" (obviously, it's a wiki, and you're a major contributor, and you've been doing a great job on the status stuff) but "don't save them 15 times in a row to see how they look". You didn't do that, as far as I can tell, but I wanted you to know to be careful. Also, kind of a warning that if you edit them and your browser freezes, it means that thousands of cached HTML files are being deleted. B-) --Evan 21:56, 10 April 2006 (EDT)

Mailing lists[edit]


a couple of months ago, you asked me to help you admin the swedish mailing list. I think I said yes, but we never continued the discussion...I assume we both got busy. Well, do get back to me whenever you can. :-) BR Riggwelter 03:19, 11 April 2006 (EDT).

Bug on the French Wikitravel[edit]

Evan, there is an incredible bug on the French Wikitravel thins morning: when I edit another user's talk page, I'm loged in with with his account and I can edit pages with his name and I can change his preferences... That's strange... Julien 04:10, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

St. Petersburg[edit]

Hi Evan, could you backup your argument on not applying the most famous rule to St. Petersburg, on its talk page? -- 05:56, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

Me, Evan?[edit]

Funny, I went to and suddenly i turned out to be recognized as user Evan. Although Im stil Maybe something's bugging you? --Evan 06:03, 11 April 2006 (EDT) :)

Yeah, but hopefully it's not any more. -- 10:48, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

Re: Changes in translation file[edit]

That was basically me doing all the changes and I thought they were really necessary because:

  1. The original translated file did not cover all system messages. A lot of stuff had been left in English, but we only realize that when actually using the wiki;
  2. A few of the original translations were really bad Portuguese and I felt that needed to change too.

Although several messages are still in English, you'll see a lot less changes from now on because the bulk of messages that are relevant to the general user are done. I'm keeping a close eye on every edit on pt: anyway, but please drop me a note if you think anything else needs to be clarified. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 08:40, 11 April 2006 (EDT) that I've read Wikitravel:11 April 2006 I think I'd misunderstood your message. I'll be watching out for the unwanted changes. Ricardo (Rmx) 08:50, 11 April 2006 (EDT)
pt:MediaWiki:Helppage is protected - is that on purpose? I'd like it to link to the Portuguese version of Wikitravel:Help instead of Help:Contents, which it's been doing after the upgrade. Also, Registro do dia (Today's log) links to some community portal (like the other language versions) and not to the log proper (like en:). Could you please check that too? Thanks. Ricardo (Rmx) 17:35, 13 April 2006 (EDT)
Aren't MediaWiki: pages always protected? Help was moved, logbook URL should be changed now. Glad things are going well! --Evan 19:12, 13 April 2006 (EDT)


I added a bug report that looks pretty important to me. -- Colin 18:52, 11 April 2006 (EDT)

sorry for the late response[edit]

  • Dear Evan! Sorry for the late response. I was experiencing great difficulties with my (broken) laptops. I would have noticed your message if "Email me when my user talk page is changed" (Tog-enotifusertalkpages) would have been enabeled.
  • Dear Evan! You probably know that I am very interested in interwiki issues (04285), portability of code, left to right, right to left and bidirectional issues. It would become an issue if you open a wiki using right to left.
  • I did not understand how bug reporting is handeled here, if there is feedback or not. I just noted lots of differebcies. Best regards Gangleri · T · m: Th · T 10:55, 13 April 2006 (EDT)


Testing new messages. -- 12:02, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

Test again. -- 12:06, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

Articles missing after work on database[edit]

A lot of articles are missing (al least in the German edition) after the todays work on the database. What's wrong? For the problem see for instance de:Ägypten/Orte_in_Ägypten, all red linked articles were filled. Unger 03:03, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

I'll take a look... thanks for letting me know. --Evan 03:07, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
Please refer also to my watch list. It is maybe a problem of esc codes in the file names. And a catastrophe, if the articles were lost. Unger 03:18, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
The articles aren't lost, don't worry! It's the escape codes in the names; they don't seem to have survived well. So they're in the database, but the names are incorrect. I just need to fix the names.
I'm not sure why certain escape codes are getting broken and other ones aren't, but I'm going to see what I can do to update the names correctly. --Evan 03:28, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
I think, all article names with the letter ā = small letter a with marcon = U0101 = %C4%81 are broken. Unger 04:10, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
I hope most is repaired. I repaired also my watchlist and about 90 broken redirects. But the link lists (What links there) are not yet correct. Unger 09:16, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Hi Evan, I just added some content in the english Berlin section about restaurants but when i wanted to save page I got an error message from my internet explorer and all me changes went away! I added about 4 restaurants with links and normally it works.


Isn't there a place where I can make a request for comments? I thought there was and I've been searching for, but to no avail. Thanks. Sapphire 17:28, 23 April 2006 (EDT)

Wikitravel:Requests for comment, I think. --Evan 17:40, 23 April 2006 (EDT)
That's what I thought it was but I couldn't access it. Hmmm. Maybe my connection went out. Sapphire 17:42, 23 April 2006 (EDT)

logged in but changes shown as logged out[edit]

In the last two days when I wrote and saved it. The changes were shown as from an anonymous user but not from me (IP see Klaipeda today. How can i change this or want i make wrong? Thanks jan 10:29, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Yes, that's a problem with our caching system. It used to be pretty OK, but some changes in the 1.6.x MediaWiki upgrade seem to have mucked it up. I'm going to see what I can do to fix it. --Evan 12:06, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Template for inclusion of other articles?[edit]

I vaguely recall that some weeks back you created a template that allowed magical inclusion of articles into other articles. Where can I find this, or am I hallucinating? It's not listed in Wikitravel:Template index. Jpatokal 02:17, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

I think it's Template:Sidebar. I think we should figure out its relationship to Template:Infobox, though. --Evan 07:41, 25 April 2006 (EDT)
What does it do differently from the infobox? —Ravikiran 07:53, 25 April 2006 (EDT)
It transcludes another article, rather than just sticking in some text. See User:Evan/Sidebar example for, well... I'm sure you can guess. It could be useful for some shared information, like say Malaria info for malaria-affected areas. --Evan 07:58, 25 April 2006 (EDT)
So if I just want to read in all of <article>, I can just punch in {{:<article>}} into the parent? Spiffy. Jpatokal 12:07, 25 April 2006 (EDT)
Yes, that works for any namespace (except Special:, I think). so {{Wikitravel:FAQ}}, {{Talk:Detroit}}. The default namespace, if none is provided, is "Template:" (or the local language equivalent), and if you want to use the "main" namespace, you have to provide an empty string in front of the colon. --Evan 12:09, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

Random Q[edit]

What is this? What is it's purpose? Special:Rdf. Thanks. - Sapphire 23:38, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

It dumps the RDF for any particular page. See Wikitravel:RDF. --Evan 07:13, 29 April 2006 (EDT)


You're welcome. The vfd page was getting a bit unwieldy. I am tempted to suggest a shortening to 10 days, or something like 7 days if nobody has objected. -- Jonboy 10:44, 27 April 2006 (EDT)


Thanks - I was looking for a page like that- a bunch of tasks that we could dump on a new contributor to get him or her involved. The only one that I could find was that non-administrator tasks thing. Even this is somewhat out of date, but at least it is a better start. — Ravikiran 02:51, 7 May 2006 (EDT)

Let's see what we can do to merge the two. And, obviously, we need to bring those task suggestions a little more forward -- if you couldn't find them, no way someone else is going to be able to. --Evan 08:47, 7 May 2006 (EDT)
Exactly what I was going to say. I've now linked it from the project page. — Ravikiran 14:17, 7 May 2006 (EDT)


Hi Evan! Someone demolished the site of Vancouver and I tried to revert the changes from but wasn't that successful. How is the correct way to revert deletion or demolitions? Thanks jan 11:19, 9 May 2006 (EDT)

You should take a peek at Wikitravel:How to revert a page. It's got detailed instructions on how to "roll back" a page to a previous version. --Evan 11:30, 9 May 2006 (EDT)

VFD process on Shared[edit]

Colin and I started a discussion on Shared [1] trying to figure out how to delete a blatant copyvio. What do we do? Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:55, 20 May 2006 (EDT)

Admin status[edit]

Thanks! I'm happy to join the never-ending battle for Truth, Justice, and the AmericanInternational Way. <S> -Todd VerBeek 10:55, 21 May 2006 (EDT)

Make that the Wiki Way. :-) I'm on too, with various new stuff on the tabs; thanks, and let me know what I can do to help. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 08:55, 22 May 2006 (EDT)

Working on shared[edit]

Evan, are you able to edit "project pages"? I'm working on copying and pasting info from en onto the Shared site to help users figure out their way around the site. I would be extremely thankful if you edit the Recent changes page on Shared [2]. I would like the "Requests for articles" link to be replaced with the "Request for images" link [3].

Thanks in advance. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:32, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

Sure, it's done. So, now it's my turn to ask a favor: pleeeeease don't call me that again! B-) --Evan 00:30, 25 May 2006 (EDT)
Alright, consider it changed for doing my favor. :) - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:36, 25 May 2006 (EDT)

Extlinks and OpenGuides[edit]

So now that the External Links section is going away, we no longer have a place to stick links to OpenGuides. It Would Be Nice to add a [[OpenGuides:nottingham]] kind of thing. -- Colin 20:23, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

It would! Good idea. --Evan 21:36, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

Simultaneous updating of Requests for images[edit]


Is it at all possible through various codes or programming to have the shared:Requests for images update as the EN Wikitravel:Requests for images version is edited? - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:05, 31 May 2006 (EDT)