YOU CAN EDIT THIS PAGE! Just click any blue "Edit" link and start writing!

User talk:CurvyEthyl

From Wikitravel
Jump to: navigation, search


Hello, CurvyEthyl! Welcome to Wikitravel.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

Thanks for the fixes! -- Ryan • (talk) • 02:54, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

Wikitravel Maps[edit]

Who makes all the maps here? I'm curious to know about that because they look pretty.

CurvyEthyl 18:53, 8 September 2010 (EDT)CurvyEthylCurvyEthyl 18:53, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

Have a look at Wikitravel:How to draw a map, which details how it can be done. Contributors to the Wikitravel:Mapmaking Expedition are some of the most prominent contributors. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:03, 8 September 2010 (EDT)


I don't know what watchlists are and what they do. I think that looking for updates on any country's aspects on any news sites can have benefits for Wikitravel.

p.s. What's an edit summary? I get a message that says that I don't have an edit summary when I press the save page button.

CurvyEthyl 20:02, 17 September 2010 (EDT)CurvyEthyl

Hello. Thank you for your additions about the reopening of Angola's railways. A watchlist is basically a summary of recent edits made to pages which have been added to your watchlist. When you edit, there is a "watch this page" box which I believe is selected by default (or can be through your user settings). At the top right of the screen, look for the "my watchlist" in this to view your watchlist. For me, taking a look at this watchlist is just a helpful way to see what's going on, since a lot of articles I've worked on and community pages are on it. An edit summary is the text box two lines above the "save page" button when editing and you should put a few words about what you just edited (eg. "fixed spelling", "added hotel link", "organized sites", "added ZZZ Tower to sights"). That too, I think is a default setting that you get a message when you don't put anything in the box. I'm not around much anymore, but feel free to ask any questions on my talk page (it might be a few days before I respond, though). AHeneen 19:19, 21 September 2010 (EDT)
No problem. If you want to try the CFL for the betterment of the train section of the Angola travel guide, you could study every aspect of the train route for its service, appearance, food, etc. CurvyEthyl 21:22, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

New articles[edit]

Thanks for all of your recent contributions. One request - when creating a new article, can you populate the "isPartOf" tag for the new article? Doing so generates the breadcrumb navigation at the top of the page. To do so, simply add text like the following at the bottom of the article:

{{isPartOf|Parent Region}}

...where "Parent Region" is the parent region of the new article. For example, my current home town is on the West Side of LA, so the isPartOf tag looks like:

{{isPartOf|West Side (Los Angeles County)}}

Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:58, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

I gave the breadcrumb nagigation feature a try on the Uige travel guide outline and it works! I never bothered to do something like that. --CurvyEthyl 21:50, 27 September 2010 (EDT)


Hi, Esther. While I really appreciate all your clean-up work, especially fixing grammatical errors, could you please put hold to creating outline articles for a while? There is absolutely nothing wrong with creating outlines unless done in excess, in fact it can be helpful to users who are not very comfortable with creating articles from scratch, but it can put some readers off Wikitravel. When they see a blue link instead of a red one, they may think "wow, here is an article at last on the destination I've been dreaming about for so long", and then when they see all the article provides is "X is a town in Y", without seeing our better articles, they may think "is this all Wikitravel has to offer?" and abandon Wikitravel completely.

While I am grateful for the spelling/grammatical/punctuational clean-ups you've made at Eastern Thrace article last night, more specifically, I request you to put an end to create outline articles for obscure Thracian towns. I'm not really satisfied with the idea of filling articles with sentences that essentially says "there is nothing to see here, move on" and if I could put up reasonably good articles about those towns, I would create the outlines myself. Take Cerkezkoy, for example. It's not somewhere the average traveller yearns for going to. Sure, we can create an article for business travellers or for people who somehow end up being there, but I just don't know enough about the place to satisfy their needs. So, I think your effort here is better spent on fixing grammatical mistakes and the like, and creating good articles for your home county and its towns—I see you wish its article to earn guide status, just like I wish for my home region. You sure have a favourite restaurant in Monroe (Michigan) to note in the article, don't you? What are the typical ways to reach there? Are there any rough areas in the town, or dangerous situations caused by wild animals in the surrounding area? I'd be glad to help you out with creating good articles for your home region in any way I can (just don't expect me to draw maps, though, I've tried making a few in the past and I failed).

Please don't be disheartened by this comment, I'm just trying to direct your efforts to where they will be most beneficial. In the end, this is a wiki, and you are absolutely free to do whatever you like, including ignoring my request and creating outlines on obscure Thracian towns. :-) – Vidimian 08:36, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

I don't think that I have any favorites, but I have known a little bit about the Lake Erie Transit public transport system. If anybody has heard of it in Toledo, Ohio, I think that they'll feel surprised if they learn that it serves Monroe County. I also have a 2009-2010 Monroe County Yellowbook in my house, so are there any suggestions on what to look for in it? – CurvyEthyl 19:21, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
I don't know, if it contains lists for restaurants and hotels, that would be useful. It's best not to copy & paste yellowbook style lists, though (that's something Wikitravel tries to avoid). Check the hotels, restaurants, and bars listed at the yellowbook up on Google, and then try to come up with listings, such as this one (which I've found on a search at Google):
  • Hotel Sterling, 109 W. Front St., +1 734-242-6212 (), [1]. Rooms with en-suite bathrooms. From $112.  edit
More information you can put, better and more useful the guide would be but something is better than nothing, so only the name of the hotel and phone number would do. And restaurants doesn't have to be your favourite, just list ones you think is good. And if you don't really have any preference, just list them away, preferably with contact and price info and what kind of cuisine they offer. And you can go ahead and write in the article that Monroe is served by Lake Eire Transit with connections from Toledo. I'll keep an eye on the progress of these articles, and if you need any help, please don't hesitate to ask at the article's talk page, or at my talk page. – Vidimian 20:29, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
And I see you've started with area codes and a little bit of history about Milan (Michigan)—that's good! – Vidimian 20:32, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
The website of Monroe County Tourism Bureau [2] may also be helpful. Just do not copy & paste any text from there — that constitutes a copyright violation — just use it for inspiration and re-write into your own words. – Vidimian 20:47, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
Are you telling me that you're unfamiliar with the contents of a typical yellowbook? 0_0 My yellowbook includes restaurants, auto renting, bakeries, bars, grills, pubs, boat renting & leasing, and campgrounds & recreational vehicle parks, to name a few.
p.s. A yellowbook, on basic grounds, has addresses and telephone numbers. – CurvyEthyl 21:04, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
Oh, that's great. That would be very useful. I've got a "sense" of yellowpages, but the last time I've grabbed one was in early 90's I think, so I can't really remember what were listed at that. Good work on "understand" section of Luna Pier—those sections are for telling a little bit of history of the place and why travellers would like to visit, which you exactly did! One reminder, though: per Wikitravel:Region article template#Cities, there shouldn't be a seperate section for villages, so I'm moving them up to "cities" list at Monroe County (Michigan). I'm also adding the official website of Monroe County Tourism Bureau to the article, which is permissible per Wikitravel:External links. – Vidimian 05:18, 30 September 2010 (EDT)


The Turkish part of the song says:

Haydi gidelim Baklahorani'ye, 
Dans edip eğlenelim sabaha kadar.
(Two more lines in Greek here)
Tatavla coşuyor gelen maskaralarla,
Tulumbacılar da dizilmiş sıraya.

A rough translation would be:

"Let's go to Baklahorani,
Let's dance and have fun till the morning.
Tatavla effervesces with the newly arrived masqueraders,
Tulumba-sellers are parading as well."
  • Tatavla is the Greek (and the former Turkish) name of Kurtuluş, once the main middle class Greek neighbourhood of Istanbul.
  • Tulumba is a kind of dessert.

I can't write down the lyrics of the Greek part as I don't understand the language—although I can immediately recognize it—but I guess it should be more or less the same with the Turkish part.

If you are interested in the band, you might want to check out their website [3]. – Vidimian 21:42, 21 January 2012 (EST)

Man, I wish I could wear a mask and try some tulumbas. I signed the anti-censorship petition that's linked to your userpage and now I'm asking one of the Wiktionarians (people of the Wiktionary; "Saltmarsh" is the username, and I'm "Lo Ximiendo" there) to transcribe and translate the Greek lyrics. --CurvyEthyl 01:55, 22 January 2012 (EST)
Hey, thanks for signing the petition—TİB (the communication authority that would institute the regulation) seems to back off for a while now, but I'm sure they will try again. (And then, there is the SOPA issue...)
And it seems your Greek lyrics arrived, below. – Vidimian 06:54, 22 January 2012 (EST)
Flyax told me that he thought the Greek lines in the Turkish part are in Turkish, because he thought the heard the word Turkish word "kemanlar" (violins) and that laterna could be a Turkish word as well. Could you clarify these by listening to the Turkish lyrics again? (You can edit what you gave me. Besides, the person who sung the Turkish part could also be singing the Greek with an accent, could he?) --CurvyEthyl 15:57, 24 January 2012 (EST)

Greek lyrics[edit]

Έλα να με βρεις στο Μπακλαχοράνι
να γλεντήσουμε μαζί μέχρι το πρωί
Αραράτ, Ολύμπια, Δέσποινα και Μπόγο1
καραφάκια με ρακί, λατέρνες2 και βιολιά
όλοι οι μασκαράδες θα είναι απαρτία
κι οι τουλουμπατζήδες θα στέκουν στη σειρά.

Έλα να με βρεις στο Μπακλαχοράνι
να τα σπάσουμε μαζί μέχρι το πρωί
κι αν σ' αναγνωρίσω, δωσ' μου ένα φιλάκι
κι από το φιλάκι ποιος ξέρει τι θα βγει
τέτοιες μέρες που 'χουμε πρέπει να θυμάσαι
πως μικρή και όμορφη είναι η ζωή

3Θα μασκαρευτείς στο Μπακλαχοράνι
θα ξεχάσεις βάσανα, ντέρτια και καημούς
το χασάπικο δεν ξέρει τι 'ναι αδικία
και δεν ξεχωρίζει πλούσιους και φτωχούς


Come and meet me in Baklahorani,
We'll be having fun till the morning
Ararat, Olympia, Despina and Bogho1
Little carafes with raki, laternas2 and violins
All masqueraders will be there And tulumba-sellers will be standing in a line. Come and meet me in Baklahorani, We'll be having a great fun till the morning And if I recognise you, give me a little kiss Who knows what may be after that These days you should have in mind That life is short and beautiful.
  1. names of local taverns
  2. λατέρνα (laterna) is a kind of a Barrel piano. See photos here.
  3. These verses are included in other versions of the song.
--Flyax 06:25, 22 January 2012 (EST)


Essentially what you do is stop using your account here. Your user page and all edits of course remain as part of the community project. We're sorry to see you go, especially to a clone with no visitors outside of the few WM users themselves. Your contributions here are much appreciated, by your fellow Wikitravellers and by the admin crew. Best of luck to you, and your account will be here for you when you return.--IBobi 13:34, 20 February 2013 (EST)

That's okay, because Ryan told me that at least I could contribute to both WT and WV. --CurvyEthyl 23:38, 16 March 2013 (EDT)