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'Stay safe' edits
Hi again Bentup,
Obviously, you look like someone really concerned about describing unsafety. And naturally, it's good to share genuine impression. I never went to East St. Louis, while you did. Point taken. And you're far from being the first one to give a warning about it, I also give you that. But when I read your description of the place, and what you said about other towns, I can't help thinking whether, really, such warnings are appropriate. I mean, world is full of exotic and exciting destination from which marketers tout every single inch of whatever the place has to offer. But oh, one place is so poor, people are about to eat each other, while the other is incidentally some warlords, drug lords, Vampires or I don't know what playground that makes the place just too hazardous to visit for the time being. You get my point.
As I mentioned, I never went to ESL, but I come from a city which is famous for drug dealers arguments settled by AK-47 means, Brinks bazooka-attacks etc. , and I'm sorry each time I hear about cell-phone robbery on tourists, but for each one of them, 10,000 remained safe, finding their way among indifferent-rather-aggressive-people, lucky one being help by actually nice local people, and so on.
I'm admirative to the fact that you are totally compliant to Wikitravel rules, that's why I didn't touch any edit from you, but I wanted to ask you, do you really think these warnings are justified, when a strong sentence within the "Understand" section could be written? You tell me. PierrB (talk) 23:52, 26 November 2014 (EST)
- I most certainly do think the warnings are justified. There may be crime everywhere, but there are certain places where it occurs a whole lot more than in other areas. For instance, there are towns where a shooting would make top headlines, but at the same time, there are also towns where shootings are a part of daily life. And where shootings, and also homicides, armed robberies, car jackings, and such, are part of daily life, innocent people really shouldn't go there. Bentup (talk) 01:10, 27 November 2014 (EST)
- I noticed a message you left on an IP´s talk page Bentup (talk). On wikitravel there are many editors and everyone may have a reason for removing or changing content, just keep the tone polite, no need to accuse someone of vandalism because the warning box was removed that you added to the Chicago article. Warning boxes should be sparingly used, I probably also would have removed it. As mentioned above, a few lines describing the issue would be sufficient. Adzas (talk) 19:10, 28 November 2014 (EST)
- Thanks for leaving a message on my talk page now, with pretty much the same message as I refered to above, accusing me now of vandalizing. I am an administrator on this site, I would just like to ask you to change your tone a little when discussing edits with other users. Your concern for safety is your right, but there is no need to react the way you do. Thanks for checking our policies and guidelines before making further edits. Adzas (talk) 19:32, 28 November 2014 (EST)
Simultaneous use of 2 different account names
Please would you explain why you also edit using the User:Conserve account?
You may also wish to comment here --Ttcf (talk) 01:29, 28 November 2014 (EST)
- Unfortunately at this time, the Conserve account is down. Bentup (talk) 01:31, 28 November 2014 (EST)
- My understanding is that you were blocked from editing for a short cooling off period by Internet Brands' (owner of this site) chief honcho, IBobi. My advice would be to wait out the few remaining hours of your sin-bin period and/or explain on your user talk page why you feel things are so urgent you can not wait a few days... --Ttcf (talk) 01:55, 28 November 2014 (EST)
There were other editors, possibly owners/managers of those south side gangster run clubs, that were deleting the warning box on the Chicago page for the south suburbs area. And one thing I can not stand is when criminals use tricks and ads to lure innocent people straight into the ghetto so they (the innocent people) become prey for the gangsters and food for the drug/crime trade. Bentup (talk) 17:45, 28 November 2014 (EST)
- Bentup: Editing here is a privilege - not a constitutional right.
- I have asked you several times (in your other incarnation of "Conserve") now to read and then act upon the contents of Wikitravel:Using discussion pages but here's another informative page that a Singaporean lady took the time to prepare specifically about Using User Talk pages. It would also be nice if you stopped editing for a while and took some time to read and inwardly digest our Wikitravel:Community_policies - just click on the many hyperlinks marked in blue there.
- If you don't understand our policies and guidelines or decide to deliberately flout them, then you create extra work for others to clear up the mess you make - and that's simply not fair or equitable. --Ttcf (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2014 (EST)
You are one of those gangsters that works at that horribly dangerous Club O Gentlemen's Club in south suburban Harvey, aren't you!? Or do you work at the even more loathsome Atlantis Gentlemen's Club in Ford Heights? I'm starting to get a picture of you here. Bentup (talk) 19:14, 28 November 2014 (EST)
- No & no.
- I value my anonymity so I will confine myself to saying that it is over a year since I visited either Illinois or Indiana and I have never worked in either state. I am currently editing from New Zealand.
- I recommend that you concentrate on the substance of people's edits rather than their personalities. Sometimes the editing history of particular editors can be relevant in deciding what credence to give to their edits, though...
- Perhaps more importantly, I see that you still can't be bothered to either read act upon the contents of Using User Talk pages - specifically, the use of incrementing colons to make clear which comment you are responding to. --Ttcf (talk) 19:24, 28 November 2014 (EST)
New Zealand, eh? So then I assume you have no idea, do you, about just how tremendously dangerous Chicago's south suburbs are, especially places like Harvey, Blue Island, Chicago Heights, Ford Heights, Sauk Village, Olympia Fields, Lynwood, Midlothian, and of course extending through the Indiana towns such as Dyer, Hammond, Munster, Whiting, East Chicago, Griffith, Gary, Schererville, and Merrillville, all the way east to I-65.
Ttcf, that entire area is a gangster area. Cop killers, FBI-wanted fugitives, serial killers, gang bangers, and flash mobs live throughout that entire area. People get shot, murdered, robbed at gunpoint, car jacked at gunpoint, even in broad daylight, people even get shot at while driving through the area in broad daylight! My mom used to be a substance abuse counselor, and she occasionally drove through the south suburbs. Harvey, for example, was/is all crack houses, meth labs, ruthless killers on every street corner clad in ski masks, AK-47s, Mac-10s, Colt-45s, and revolvers. South suburban Ford Heights and Sauk Village were a bit worse than Harvey. My mom was terrified to death for her life driving through the south suburbs area in broad daylight!!! If you were to encounter my mom and ask her about the south suburbs, she too would tell you that Chicago's south suburbs area is endless ghetto from Illinois Route 50/Cicero Avenue all the way east to I-65 in Indiana. Bentup (talk) 19:53, 28 November 2014 (EST)
- You really are invincibly ignorant.
- I've asked you to correctly indent your responses several time now but you are more interested in verbal battles than learning how to interact collegiately.
- If you had bothered to read my User page you might have got an inkling that I've visited North America quite extensively. I've actually driven in every one of the 50 US states and all of the Canadian provinces and territories, not to mention sailing to and hiking in St Pierre et Miquelon. Admittedly because of my physical size, few people want to risk antagonising me face to face but that does not mean that bullets bounce off me and I that am oblivious to degrees and gradations of personal risk. Because of the ubiquity of firearms and mind altering substances and a trigger-happy culture, ALL of the USA is relatively dangerous compared to most of Asia, Europe and Oceania, but that does not mean that most of Chicago should be labelled a no-go area.
- I have now formed the impression that it is quite literally is a complete waste of my time attempting to discuss anything with you. In future, just read my edit summaries if you wish to know why your edits have been repaired/removed. Goodbye! --Ttcf (talk) 21:39, 28 November 2014 (EST)
Sorry, I´m going to block your account for a day, so you can take some time to read our policies and guidelines. Your safety warnings are getting a bit too much, and your tone of writing is not as per our standards. Thanks! Adzas (talk) 20:17, 28 November 2014 (EST)