Wikitravel:Article naming conventions says no "The" in article names. Why is this an exception, and rather embarassingly linked in from Wikitravel:Article naming conventions at that? Jpatokal 10:42, 1 May 2005 (EDT)
- I think you're asking, "Why is it The Hague but the French Alps?", right? I think it's a tough thing to explain and delineate, but perhaps the most telling reason is that "The" in "The Hague" is actually part of the name. We leave it capitalized, in English, even in the middle of a sentence -- unlike the French Alps or the Lakes Region.
- There used to be more place names that worked like this in English ("The Ukraine" and "The Lebanon" being the two that spring to mind), so "The Hague" is becoming more and more of an anachronism. But it's still, by far, the most common English name for this place. It's an exception, but practically a unique one. If you want to unlink it from the naming conventions, I have no problem with that. --Evan 11:02, 1 May 2005 (EDT)
- I guess the title The Hague accords with the convention of using the most common English name. The title 'Hague' alone is rarely if ever used as the name of the city, either colloquialy or officially.
- "The" is a fixed part of the name The Hague. It's not like you can just add it or leave it out if you wish. Just "Hague" is never used (in English and Dutch alike). --globe-trotter 22:16, 8 February 2010 (EST)
- Why "The Hague"? Because the Dutch name "Den Haag" name has the article too. Salix2 15:15, 20 November 2010 (EST)
- Per Wikitravel:Naming conventions, we use English names, and "The Hague" is the English name of this city. Den Haag is a redirect to this page, and should stay that way. On the other hand, Dutch Wikitravel, naturally, uses Den Haag. – Vidimian 16:21, 20 November 2010 (EST)
- He meant to explain that "The" should be in "The Hague", as in Dutch "Den" is used and not just "Haag". --globe-trotter 17:39, 20 November 2010 (EST)
- Oops, I thought he/she was asking why this is named "The Hague", and thought by "article", he/she meant a Wikitravel article—I have totally overlooked article the grammatical feature! – Vidimian 18:35, 20 November 2010 (EST)
This link was removed as it is not in compliance with Wikitravel:External links, but may be helpful for research:
- Haagse Historie Website by Chris Schram with an extremely detailed and comprehensive account of the architecture and history of many many buildings, sites and areas across the city. The English section is not as extensive as the Dutch section; but it may be worth browsing the Dutch section just for its photos. In the Dutch section, follow the link names 'Alfabetische Index' to get to an index of all topics covered on the website.
- lots of spelling errors removed/changed, hopefully not many added. Please be more careful when adding information...
- Is this article still considered an Outline? It covers most of the notable things in the city pretty well.
Districts of The Hague
The districtifying process of Amsterdam and Rotterdam are in process, I also think it's time for The Hague to become districtified. It'll probably be the last city of the Netherlands that needs districts. I suggest the following districts scheme:
A few things, maybe native The Hagueans (if that's a word :P) could help me out. I am not really sure where to place Haagse Hout, maybe it could also be included in Laak or Scheveningen. And I also wonder, maybe Loosduinen-Segbroek is a better name for Kijkduin (but Kijkduin Beach is the most prominent feature of the district, and most travelers will go there, that's why I thought maybe thats a good name for the district).
Also: maybe Center could be subdivided into a few districts as well? --globe-trotter 22:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)
- I know absolutely nothing of The Hague, but it doesn't seem to me as if there is enough content in this article right now to require districtification. LtPowers 13:30, 9 February 2010 (EST)
- You're right that maybe it is a bit little. Oh well, then still it's good for future reference. But don't forget that Scheveningen is also an integral part of The Hague. --globe-trotter 19:26, 10 February 2010 (EST)
- I am a native to The Hague, Most points of interest are in the centre, in Scheveningen or between those aria's. I think that only Scheveningen has the touristic attraction to draw visitors longer than a few hours away from the city center. Scheveningen was before 1900 a place to go for kings and nobility. Now a days on hot summer days thousands travel the roads of The Hague by bus, car of tram to Scheveningen for a day at the beach. They are not interested at all to the city. The number of Horeca enterprises - (ho)tel, (re)staurants, (ca)fe's - is huge in Scheveningen. Plus the souvenir shops who depend on tourism. In the summer, about April to September, there are even more, the Strandtenten at the beach.
- Kijkduin has the beach, a hotel, a bungalow park, a dozen restaurants, some shops, a ship for children to play on and a small replica lighthouse. It draws local interest in comparison to Scheveningen.
- Around The Hague there are some towns bordering the city. Crossing a park and a sign traveling to the east you enter Rijswijk or Leidschendam-Voorburg and accessible by city transport.
- Wassennaar to the north-east and Westland in the south-west are a little farther, but they are still close and accessible by local transport. Wateringen, a part of Westland is very close.
- There is not many accommodations available in the districts Centre, Scheveningen and Kijkduin.
- My thought is: Rename Scheveningen to The Hague/Scheveningen and leave the rest as is.
- greatings --Rein N. 07:28, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
- Thanks for your additions to the discussion. I agree that Scheveningen (after the Center) is the most important district of The Hague. But having 2 districts is a bit weird, as like other cities we'll need to get to a full districts division that encompasses the whole city. I agree with you though that The Hague shouldn't have too many districts.
- What I think is very important, is the two sides of The Hague: on the one hand it has a snobby and wealthy side (the north) and a much poorer working class side (the south). This also has a geographical implication: the rich live on sand dunes grounds, while the poorer neighborhoods are built on quagmire grounds. I think this should be reflected in our district structure, while not adding too much districts. Generally I'd say the Laan van Meerdervoort is the divisive line between these, but the richer area could be made somewhat larger as well. The southern part is generally a poorer and working class area, and parts of it are multicultural (includes Schilderswijk, Transvaal, Laakkwartier, Escamp). I don't know a good name for that area though as it encompasses a large area and there are lots of different neighborhoods. So I propose a different way of making the neighborhoods, merging the poorer areas in one district (as I agree with you that not a lot of foreign visitors will go there, though there might be some expats who stay in The Hague for a longer time. But we have to cover the whole city).
- Old Center
- Statenkwartier (area between Center and Scheveningen that includes the richer areas of the city, such as Statenkwartier, Archipel and Duinoord. Many embassies, villas, etc.)
- Kijkduin (I know this is a very local beach, but it has a much different atmosphere from Scheveningen. I mean this area not as just the dunes, but also the richer part of Southwest The Hague built on sand grounds. If you know a better name, let me know)
- South of Laan van Meerdervoort (poorer working class areas such as Schilderswijk, Transvaal, Laakkwartier, Groente en Fruitmarkt and everything south of Laan van Meerdervoort.)
--globe-trotter 09:35, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
With the districtifying of The Hague certainly the Schilderswijk and Transvaal district of The Hague is very worthy to mention to future tourist. This district is located on the southside of the city-center. One of the main attractions is the Herman Coster market, which is open on monday, wednesday, friday and saturday. See http://www.hollandsemarkten.nl/markten/?g_id=11&m_id=2 for more details. This market is the biggest open-air market in the Netherlands, but according to many it's even the biggest open-air market in Europe. The wikipedia lemma about the The Hague Market is not complete and up-to-date, but maybe a good starting point to extend this article. See http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Haagse_Markt for the details. Please note that due to the economic downturn the number of market-vistors is exploding, so if tourist doesn't like big and hasty crowds they have to avoid the saturdays.
Furthermore while most cities have most of their attractions in or just around the city-center, the attractions in The Hague are far more scattered around the city. For example in The Hague are more almshouses (hofjeswoning in Dutch) then in Amsterdam and they are also in a far better state, the problem is that they are situated in all parts of The Hague, which are built before 1910. Examples are The Hannemans Hofje, Hofje van Nieuwkoop, 't Hooftshofje and very much more, see http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_hofjes_in_Den_Haag for the extended but not complete list. The list is in Dutch, but if needed I can translate it for you. It's wise the do a extended city-walk (mostly for free) which can be found here: http://en.denhaag.nl/en/visitors/to/City-Walks.htm.
Success, Robert Koote