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I've moved this section from Edinburgh, becuase I didn't feel it was that appropriate there. It needs some work, but do people think it is worth having a general article like this? -- DanielC 09:46, 12 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Yes, though I think the article could be better titled, say Personal security or even simply Staying safe, to go along with the Stay safe section of the template. The advice is too general for cities and is applicable at the beach, in remote car parks, in rural places, or pretty much anywhere. Remember criminals take holidays too, and crime against tourists is often opportunist, because the criminal on tour takes advantage of people relaxing their guard when they are relaxing and enjoying their holiday. - Huttite 05:17, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Note: Page subsequently moved from Staying Safe in Cities to Staying Safe by DanielC -- Huttite 08:54, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
I moved the article from Staying Safe to Staying safe because travel topic articles should only have an inital capital that way they can be used in text like ... you may have trouble staying safe here ... -- Huttite 09:00, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)

The bleedin' obvious[edit]

I've restructured this page, and added a few more bleedin' obvious things, to the existing list.

Maybe this article may become a list of things so obvious, that we don't need to include them in the Stay safe section of other articles. I really think telling people not to flash around their wallet, or to use a condom, etc apply globally, and really don't rate too much of a mention elsewhere. --Inas 21:28, 11 November 2008 (EST)

To this end, this article should probably be called Stay safe. The article titles are consistent, but the name of the article isn't. I have a background objective here, to try and get rid of some of the information that is repeated in every article. There are so many articles that have repeat that your credit card or bank may charge you a fee for using an overseas ATM. True enough, but its always true, and could be repeated in every guide. If we are going to have travel tips articles, then we should have a brief set to read before you travel anywhere, laying down the basics. This information then doesn't need to be repeated everywhere. They would be the prologue to every printed travel guide. --Inas 15:52, 5 December 2008 (EST)
I'd also like to change the title to Stay safe—since that's a Wikitravel convention. --Peter Talk 15:41, 6 December 2008 (EST)
I think the fact that I had to write "stay safe" instead of "staying safe" in the lead paragraph is a really good sign that it'll be a lot easier for people to add wikilinks to stay safe in other articles than staying safe. I'll move it. JYolkowski 15:34, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Following local advice[edit]

I noticed that one of the bullets in the "Buy" section suggests following local advice, while one of the bullets in the "Eat" section says not to follow local advice. I'm thinking the article should probably be a bit more consistent (-: Personally, I'm leaning towards not trusting local advice in general, since a few locals may be trying to trap or scam tourists, and even well-meaning locals may not be aware of differences between themselves and tourists that may render their advice invalid. Any other thoughts on this? If no-one disagrees I'll update the article shortly. JYolkowski 18:23, 19 February 2009 (EST)

It depends on where and what. Ask a cyclo where the best market is in Saigon? Waste of time. Ask a National Park ranger where the best swimming spots are in Kakadu free from crocodiles? Absolutely. There are few absolutes in travelling, and wikitravel can't free anyone from having to use some common sense. Follow some simple rules to decide who you trust, and only follow the advice of those that you do. --Inas 23:13, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Risk evaluation box[edit]

Risks in Tokyo

Crime/violence: Low
Pickpockets are not unheard of
Authorities/corruption: Low
Security guards might request bags to be opened
Transportation: Low
Trains are stuffed at rush hour
Health: Low
Nature: Medium

Hmm. I think the risk evaluation box at Tokyo#Stay safe (copied here for reference) is interesting, but it should be properly templatized, and above all we need to agree on what the levels are and what they mean, in more detail that the current general levels. Eg. for Tokyo, which is at very high risk of earthquakes, I don't think "Nature: Low" is appropriate. Jpatokal 00:21, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

I would like a standardized, templatized evaluation box in more destination articles, but I was unsuccessful creating a template. When it comes to earthquakes, I might agree bumping the risk level up to Moderate. /Blist 12:24, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
I'm leery of this idea. I'd rather see detailed prose in the stay safe section—these sort of one-line boxes are really easy to change without any work, and thus invite trivial edit wars. --Peter Talk 18:35, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
All respect due to good intentions, of course, but I'd prefer to stick with prose instead of forms to be filled out. Gorilla Jones 19:22, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
I Agree with Peter and Gorilla Jones. I'd like to see an effective example before considering making a template. --inas 19:28, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
Since there was never any real consensus on this, anybody object if I remove the risk assessment box. I doesn't look like a direction we are heading in, does it? --inas 22:07, 14 February 2010 (EST)
I think that would be the right thing to do. --Peter Talk 11:35, 15 February 2010 (EST)