Do we really need all this "Former Yugoslav" stuff? --Jiang
There was an extended debate on this at en:Talk:Republic of Macedonia. I think most people visiting the FYROM would refer to it as just "Macedonia" (like how the western media does it). Problem is, the Greeks find this offensive. Some travel guides also leave out FYRO , some don't . Maybe Dhum Dhum's proposal will do...but I think Macedonia (Greece) and Macedonia (Bulgaria) will be better. --Jiang 01:19, 5 Dec 2003 (PST)
It's right only to "please" Greece. Most people, the media included, use "Macedonia" by itself. FYROM is just used by governments for political reasons. It can be made clear in the article that there are other regions of Macedonia. --Jiang 22:40, 10 Jun 2004 (EDT)
Setting aside the politics of it (which really aren't particularly relevant), the current set-up doesn't match Wikitravel disambiguation standards. We have two places with the same name, and neither is so "much much more famous" than the other to get dibs on that name. Macedonia should be a disambig page (not a redirect), with Republic of Macedonia and Macedonia (Greece) listed as two Places Known As Macedonia. - Todd VerBeek 23:55, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
It would appear that each and every village of a certain size is listed in the 130 or so administrative districts. Wouldn't it make sense to just list 7 or so major destinations like we do for every other country? -- Mark 09:41, 22 Sep 2004 (EDT)
Looking at this article it appears it needs a lot of clean up and there is information here that belongs in the city aritcles. I am going to take a shot at it. If I remove anything that someone wants back, please put it back. -- Xltel 10:15, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)
Having a quick glance at it do we really need that many names under cities? Around half of the names look like villages. Could we just stick to a list of about 15 max? And give each a brief description two or three sentences per should be enough.
I propose we keep the following on the list;
Skopje, Ohrid, Bitola, Prilep, Krushevo, Kumanovo, Tetovo, Strumica, Kocani, Radovis, Gostivar, Stip, Struga
I think thats a good draft to start with.
- Al Damjo
Ok, I did this maybe sometime last year or the year before, god knows, iunno. But looking at it, it still looks like, as my old boss use to say, poo. Im not a wikiedit expert so i dont know how to draw a proper table. If someone could help me fix that up and possibly throw in the euro in there too? Or do you think we should leave the euro out? Al Damjo 10:47, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
How pretty is Macedonia? Iunno, I dont see pictures!
Surely we can throw in some sveti naum pics in there... right? Or the stone bridge in Skopje? Anything? Anyone? Al Damjo 10:47, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
Name Macedonia (Republic)
I changed this article's name to Macedonia (Republic), and moved to merged edits from Macedonia and Republic of Macedonia. I believe the (Republic) portion better follows the Wikitravel:Article naming conventions. Macedonia can now become a disambiguation page. -- Huttite 08:08, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
We could do with sorting out some regions for Macedonia. If anyone has any ideas how to split the country into a handful of geographical areas, please suggest them below. Or if east and west (as described in the article) is suitable then let's go with that, although might they be too big to be effective? -- Tim (writeme!) 05:58, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
One can not really divide Macedonia in the suggested 8 regions. For example: Pelagonia is part of Southwestern region. Ohrid region is quite different from Mariovo region in culture, way of life, dialects, interests etc. You can not just include them both in Southwestern region. Either go in detail and iclude all the regions (which would be too many), or stick to general division to east and west and add "along Vardar river" region as it is hard to decide to which part it belongs. Bojan
Well can someone else suggest something before I arbitrarily divide itper the above ones suggested by Cacahuate?? I'm getting sick of de-orphaning the Strumica article and having the link removed. (Ah well, that link there should do it.) Still, there are several other articles created that are not properly linked due to the lack of regions. The eight regions above are shown as distinct legal and statistical regions without overlap (a map accompanies the article) at Wikipedia here. OldPine 14:38, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
Hi :) It is a little bit complicated question (like almost everything here :) I would go with the general division between east, west and along Vardar river. There are many regions in Macedonia with certain differences but I don't see the point in naming all of them. This general division separates the country (I agree it is quite a rough division) not just geographically but also in terms of dialects, customs, culture of living, etc... Along Vardar river region (or Povardarie) is a strange mixture of both the east and the west (it is much more eastern in culture but more western in geography) and it is the main wine growing region. Skopje is hard to include in any of the regions, it is artificially overgrown city, melting pot with little bit of everything 9but ofcourse a distinctive charm of its own :). Bojan
Jabbalzar please stop copy-pasteing
Jabbalzar please stop copy paseing articles from exploringmacedonia. You are not doing the Macedonia pages a favor. Also please stop rearanging my articles, if you don't like them feel free to erase them and write new ones, but be careful with the atributes (for example: Bitola has just one park and it is nothing special, or none of the Skopje mosques has tiled interiors) Bojan 11:26, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
I believe the edit done is the best way for the article to represent all opionions, Greek and Macedonians. I am Greek and Love Macedonians, and I like this to end. Using the terms the way they were edited, renders subconsciously the name usage approved by both countries and utilises the name under the conutry was granded in UN.
I don't think we should buy into this nationalistic debacle, Wikipedia has settled on this name too, and we even explicitly aim for catering to travellers, not users searching for encyclopaedic content - and hence we should use the most common name used by English speakers, which indisputably is Republic of Macedonia.
Country name: Republic of North Macedonia
People: ethnic Macedonian
Citizenship: Macedonian (citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia)
Language: Macedonian (South Slavic)
There is NO North Macedonian ethnicity, citizenship, language or culture/cuisine... Please respect the terminology, thank you. —The preceding comment was added by 2600:1:9197:e81c:399c:dd53:4bcf:55d2 (talk • contribs)
The only respectful way to write that would be "cuisine of North Macedonia"
Tell me why you changed what I entered.
I just, for the 3rd time, changed the Festivals section to point to more than the Taksirat festival. I will add more festivals that I know about ... but first someone has to tell me why they changed what I just entered. Dgezh (talk) 20:00, 3 December 2020 (EST)
After half an hour of looking, I still can't find an explanation. Just suppose I was someone important ... like the person who pays your salary. Would you tell him "Oh, I won't answer your question here. Go look in that place over there where there are manymany things lying around ... you've got lots of time to try to find my explanation."
In summary, I am finding wikitravel an extremely unfriendly place to try to contribute to.
I will GUESS (after looking around for along time) that you find my pointing to https://macedonia-timeless.com/events improper. But let me quote from your own page on the subject of external links, which says that
"The official tourist office or government web site for a destination"
Oh, I finally found it ... It's that little square with the arrow next to the country name. Look: suppose this was IMPORTANT to you. That you'd loose your job if the reader didn't realize that there was an official tourism web site for the country, and here is where to find it. Would you just stick in a little square with an arrow next to it? Or would you write "North Macedonia Official Tourism Web Site"? Dgezh (talk) 22:13, 13 December 2020 (EST)
(1) That statement of policy is incomprehensible. You guys need to learn how to write. (2) To answer a suggestion for a change by saying "That's not our policy" is not a reason. It's merely a statement that "We decided to do it our way and we aren't discussing it." Try again: "Suppose this was IMPORTANT to you. That you'd loose your job if the reader didn't realize ..."
What I _see_ at the top of the article is "North Macedonia  <little square with uppointng arrow>" No indication that you are referring to the country's official tourism web site. Yeah, some of it is blue. But I'm _reading_. So is Mr Smith. He's not a heavy computer user; he runs a hardware store. He's taking a vacation. _Communicate_ to him. Get rid of rules that impede communication.
I suggest you add at the end of the paragraph, after "Greece to the South" the following separate paragraph
Click Macedonia Timeless for the official national tourism web site.
"Macedonia Timeless" will link to that web site, and be in blue. And you can decorate it with little squares with up arrows and numbers in brackets to your heart's content. Make it clear. Isn't that what you want to do?
I worked with computers for twenty years. I'm on a computer every day. I run the web site for my business. And I didn't see that link you said was at the top of the article. You scored zero.
As for "Oh, everyone knows what that little square with the up arrow means", I suggest you go to the airport (where to find travellers) when the epidemic is over, and show twenty people a bit of text with the square with the arrow. Ask them what it means. Report back to me.
Finally, suppose the reader understands that the blue number in brackets, and the square with the arrow somehow point to an external link. But people want to know where a link will take us before we click on it. Yes, the reader wants to be informed! That's what you are trying to do! Inform the reader. Here's how to do it:
Click Macedonia Timeless for the official national tourism web site.
I finally realized: That little "" which links to the national tourism web site: That's exactly the format which your own external links policy - which you yourself pointed me to - says is BAD!!!!
Oh, now I see that there is no "edit" button for that first paragraph. So you have a problem: In the first line of the page we have been talking about, you have a reference in a format which your own policy says is bad. We've been discussing exactly this reference - and you didn't notice the bad format. And your setup won't let me fix it. What do you say? Dgezh (talk) 21:03, 22 December 2020 (EST)
How do I edit a picture?
How do I change a picture in the article to something else? Yes, I see how to upload pictures to commons. But I don't see how the picture is included in the article. When I go to edit the article, there is no indication of how the pictures get where they are. (I want to replace that unattractive and meaningless picture of a rocky road (up to Markovi Kuli, it says), with a nice picture of Jovan Kaneo.) Dgezh (talk) 09:49, 4 February 2021 (EST)
I uploaded a picture. I called it "Matka", because that is the name of the place. When I went to put it in the page, i found someone else had uploaded a completely different file called Matka. Is there a convention for how I name my uploads to distinguish them from other uploads? Dgezh (talk) 21:50, 5 February 2021 (EST)