I edited the talk section to provide some information, but also to delete some stuff that didn't look relevant there. So I added the paragraph about the official status of Spanish and added some info about the usage of English in the country. (Note: I am Mexican, and I am just thinking it also as the reality inside the country).
The info deleted is: - The poverty in which the indigenous communities live -> Although this is true, I think is not relevant considering the communications scope of this section.
However, the part about Spanish schools looks for me to be more appropriate in the Learn section, rather than this one. What do you think?
Talk section (reply)Edit
Hi, I read the edited talk section and I disagree on some of the changes: I don't think that proficiency in English is confined to the capital and touristic zones. I am Mexican too and I live outside the capital: I can tell that English is also widely used here as well. Having travelled a little bit around, I think that the assumption that high class and professional workers have a command of English applies pretty much around the country. Therefore, at least I am going to delete those references that only or only likely in Mexico City you will find people speaking English.
Nevertheless, I agree with the rest of the changes !
Changed the hierachy of headlines. --- Hansm 05:47, 2003 Sep 6 (PDT)
I've taken a poke at doing a hierarchy for Mexico. It's not perfect, I'm sure. It's based on the country's states, which is probably fallacious but close enough. --Evan 19:17, 9 Dec 2005 (EST)
Swept in from the Pub:
I couldn't figure out how to post a new question, so I posed mine here. Over the next two weeks I would like to go to Mexico for certain reasons. I have done some research but I cannot yet find a suitable location. I was wondering if anyone knew of any locations which met the two following criteria:
1.) Near the coast
2.) Extensive guitar trade. I would like to purchase a higher quality guitar while in mexico because I do not want to sepend big $$$ here 3.) preferabally this location will be near the border to some extent. I live close to Arizona and I'd like to drive to this location
Thankyou for your help, it is appreciated
A great resort I stayed in recently was the St. Regis Punta Mita. It was beautiful, plush and surpassed my expectation of amazing service and luxurious accommodations. I'm not too sure about the guitar trade here, but I can tell you that its a fabulous resort. Despite recent publicity that travel to Mexico is dangerous, places like Punta Mita are safe for travel.
Is that 'negro' thing for real? It's not even pronounced the same as in English... Jpatokal 06:17, 21 January 2007 (EST)
- Well, it's true that it isn't offensive like in English, but i think it's horribly irrelevant to this article and the traveler... i say remove it... ::: Cacahuate 12:28, 21 January 2007 (EST)
- Negro? Although it sounds a bit offensive, it is the word in Spanish for black. Like negro market = black market, which is a Shopping strip in Cancun and likely elsewhere. Took me a while to get used to myself. They also sell Negro Label or Black Label beer. 2old 13:18, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
Well as a 'negro' I think its good to have that in here. If I hadn't already known about this culture I would probably be offended if I traveled there and was referred to in this manner. Just because something isn't relevant/pertinent to you it doesn't mean it should be removed.
The article says that speeding tickets are common in Mexico. But in 25 years living there (until 2001), I have never met anyone who has even mentioned knowing anyone who got a speeding ticket. (For comparison, in a few years in the U.S. I've met several people who have mentioned getting speeding tickets.) Itub 08:28, 13 February 2007 (EST)
I took a stab at reducing the city list to 9, per our policy... if you disagree, feel free to speak up or swap out some that I left for some that I removed... I took out:
- Queretaro - Another UNESCO World Heritage site, a colonial city and industrial hub in Central Mexico.
- Veracruz - Located in the Gulf of Mexico, main sea port of the country.
- Tijuana - In the state of Baja California Norte, neighbouring to San Diego, California, home of the most passed border crossing in the world.
- Guadalajara - In the west state of Jalisco.
- Zacatecas - UNESCO World Heritage Site for its historic city center with colonial architecture. Mining city, one of the main suppliers of silver in the world.
- Monterrey - A strong industrial hub home of northern Mexican culture.
- Cacahuate 19:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)
- I'd kind of like to see Tijuana in the list, as the main destination of lower- to middle-class yanquis. I'm not sure what I'd replace, though. Maybe Merida, which is somewhat redundant with Cancun? - Todd VerBeek 13:57, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
MACHISMO ACCEPTED IN MEXICAN CULTURE?Edit
Well i think that Machismo part of the article is not true because i am Mexican and in my country we are very much against that and most of us Mexicans think it is "old school" and right now there are a bunch of comercials on the Tele that announce that the government is making laws against sexism and discrimination to women and all of that MACHISMO crapp because it is very, very, very bad and it only takes our society back to the old days and today it is very unacceptable in Mexican society and i know this because i am Mexican and currently living in Monterrey my city and here there are laws and all over Mexico that are very strict against MACHISMO, so i think that statement of MACHISMO on the article should be deleted because it is wrong and out of date, as if it was describing Mexico from like back in the 1950s, or from my grandmother's times.
- That's a good point, but if Machismo is no longer accepted, why is it necessary for the government to pass laws against this kind of behavior and publicize them on TV? The article about the US acknowledges that racism is still an issue; I suspect that machismo is still an issue in Mexico. How would you rephrase the comment to reflect how things are changing today? - Todd VerBeek 14:15, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
You're right on that, MACHISMO is still an issue in my country but not as big as it was let's say 30 years ago, and the Mexican government makes comercials on Tele so that our society will not forget about how sexist and disciminative our socitey was in the past and to remind anyone who tries to do this to any person will have severe consequences with the law, and it still exists today but mainly in rural isolated areas but in cities it is practically nonexistant and talking about homosexuality in cities is like no bigdeal and openly accepted, but a totaly different story in rural communities especially in the south, but in general most Mexicans do not accept MACHISMO nor accept discrimination to homosexuals, and they re still issues andalways will be, just like racism in the U.S.A. it is not accepted by most people, but there are still people who are racist so that is why it will always be an issue that can not be ignored because if it does it wil get out of hand. Same thing with machismo.
As a Mexican, I believe machismo is still strong in society. Also, homosexuality is not accepted in Mexico although Coahuila and DF have legalized "couples" of the same sex. Sexism through media, jokes is ubiquitous still. There is occurring a wave of change but one cannot say that Mexico is a place of sexual equality, at all. Perhaps in 100 years maybe but not right now... One cannot judge a country only by its capital (which is very machista anyway)
Mexican national parksEdit
(Swept in from the pub)
At present there are several articles on archaeological national parks in Mexico up for Wikitravel:Votes for deletion. A challenge is that it's hard to decide which of those articles qualify as "exceptions" according to Wikitravel:What is an article? that justify a stand-alone article rather than including the information in the article for a city or region. This issue is complicated by the fact that the United States National Parks -- for which our articles are far better developed at this time -- aren't handled in a very uniform way, as regards the size, significance, remoteness, etc., required to justify a stand-alone.
It would be nice if somebody could do a Mexican National Parks uber-article to parallel the US one, but first, I've tried to start a discussion on Talk:United States National Parks to see what lessons might be learned and applied to the incipient Mexican article. Please stop by and offer an opinion. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:51, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
Disappointed in Eat sectionEdit
Whoever wrote the eat section, have they ever gotten further into the country than the streets of Tijuana? I have had several of the best meals of my life in Mexico. The cuisine is extremely regional and even local. The better cooks invest huge talent and tremendous effort. Just read some of Diane Kennedy's cookbooks to get a sense of it. I hope someone who actually knows something about the cuisine can contribute here. LADave 16:15, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- You seem to, so please plunge forward! Jpatokal 22:54, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
It would be nice if people stopped messing with the city list without first talking about it. I deleted "San Cristobal de las Casas" and "Cozumel" to get the list back down to 9 (not that those two places aren't interesting, but San Cristobal seemed the least significant as a "city" and Cozumel is really an island known for its beaches, reefs etc. than it is known as a "city"). Would like to see Veracruz back on the list, but not sure what I'd take out...comments, anyone? Mrkstvns 07 August 2008
what were you thinking?Edit
k' who is the good guy suggesting bribery. that's the worst advice of the article. the visitor may get in trouble. what kind of idiot may suggest this.
Swine flu warning boxEdit
Per Talk:United_States_of_America#Travel_advisories_-_swine_flu I think this is unnecessary. I know people love adding warningboxes, but the danger in Mexico posed by traffic accidents, street crime, or just Montezuma's posthumous intestinal assaults far outweighs swine flu, no matter how much news headlines love the illness. The idea that all travel to Mexico is "advised against" seems ludicrous. I'm removing it, lets discuss before re-adding. --Peter Talk 17:19, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
Two different sections raise the idea that drinking tap water could be harmful to your health, but do so in a specious manner. Either it's safe, or it's not. Playing both sides without providing much more than rumors isn't really helpful. For example: "Tap water is safe to drink in Mexico City. Most travelers will tell you that it is not even though they have never even tried drinking it! Heed this advice." Heed which advice? That the tap water is safe? Or that it's not? --Quidam-brujah 01:32, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
Not an outlineEdit
This travel guide isn't an outline anymore. – CurvyEthyl 17:58, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
- With an empty See section and multiple missing articles under Other Destinations, it still is. — D. Guillaime 19:29, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
(Taken from the Page)The above information is quite outdated. Today (Feb 2013) new road connects Tenosique with border in El Ceibo (La Palma). Even most new maps do not show that road, but it is clearly marked from Tenosique (follow sings, or ask for El Ceibo). Not sure about the mexican side, but on guatemalan there are frequent buses (min. 5 times daily) to Flores directly, or vans to crossroad about 10 miles from the border, where you can catch even more frequent (every hour) buses between Naranjo and Flores (Santa Elena bus terminal, which is approx 1 mile (30 minutes) straight uphill walk from Flores bridge). Ticket in both cases cost 45 quetzals (resp. 10+35 quetzals) one way. Tenosique to border is 1 hour by car, you can leave it there (numerous paid covered parking places), walk cross the border (common mexican and guatemalan posts), change as little money as you can with local street exchangers (very bad rates, but no other option), and catch the bus to Flores (4 hours). Border in El Ceibo opens at 9 am, closes at 6 pm, so plan your trip accordingly. First bus from Santa Elena leaves at 5 am.
Please can we make a concerted effort to distinguish between US dollars and Mexican Peso, either by adding an "M" i.e. M$200.00 or adding "USD" if we are actually talking about American dollars, as it is rather confusing especially when talking about hotel costs etc.
Education/Respect/Safety tone and contentEdit
These areas *edu,respect,safety* seem more like advertisements and rebuttals rather than useful content.
Education: Wikitravel is not a place for advertisements but rather present information for travelers. I fail to see how comparing Mexican universities to Ivy Leagues draws any benefit, or how ITESM has "knocked out" IPN in some areas. In fact, ITESM is listed multiple times through the section in three different listings (general, EGADE, Ivy comparison). Most universities are located in the DF area and are private for the most part. Does ULSA rank higher than UANL or UAG? If anything, it seems like this was someone's school project created a few years ago (when I first saw it). Again, not to seem too picky on ITESM but the general bulleted list smells like a sales pitch.
I propose general information about schools and the school system be left intact but rankings, lists of alumni, and comparisons to ivies be removed. Other wikitravel articles don't have such irrelevant information in their pages.
Safety This section seems to on the defensive about the issues facing mexico. Sure, it's not somalia but it the content seems very emotional rather than factual. Phrases and words such as "North American English-language media", "avoid bringing up", and "The city at one point was crowned the safest city in Latin America". People don't want to know what was before, they deserve current conditions. Not many Mexicans would dare drive in southern veracruz, monterrey-nuevo laredo highway, or chiapas at night due to "bajones"....lets accept the facts as they are.
Respect The same thesis for the "safety" section. "Respect Mexico's laws" of course every countries laws must be respected, so I don't see how this falls into place. We should be honest, rarely do people get traffic fines and that issues are solved with a "como podemos resolver esto?" or "como le vamos hacer?". Do we really want someone's car to be impounded and have to pay 300 USD because he refused to pay 20 USD? Perhaps this was written by a nationalist.
On LGBT issues, there's a justification by comparing the stance to rural Canada.
"Avioid talking about.." and race paragraphs seems just as apologetic. Praise Mexico and don't say anything bad, unless it's about your country. It's good to know why people call me chino/arabe/turco/guero/etc but the content is written in a justified manner.
Travelling by thumbEdit
I was a bit disappointed that there weren't any options to rideshare in Mexico. I've travel all around Europe using BlaBlaCar and wanted to do the same in Mexico and other Latin American countries. I researched for a while and came up with Rides. It is definitely much cheaper to use this option vs flying and buses (there is a huge monopoly of some routes in Mexico which in occasions make it really expensive).
- Hey! Thanks for sharing! Here is another interesting page in case you keep travelling by thumb / wants to contribute: Tips for hitchhiking