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Is this an article[edit]

So this article doesn't pass the "Can I Sleep There" rule of thumb for gauging Wikitravel:What is an article?. I could point to Muir Woods as another example of this, but that would only prove that I'm not the only one to slip down this particular slope. I'm inclined to think most National Parks, National Monuments, and National Historic Sites are significant enough to deserve articles on their own, but... So the real question is, does anyone think I've exceeded the bounds of Wikitravel:What is an article?, and should therefore bring up this issue as a request for change in Wikitravel talk:What is an article? -- Colin 15:55, 26 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Muir Woods sounds like you would need a map, so it should stay. If there is a restaurant in Manzanar, or you need a map to get around, then keep it; otherwise put it in Independence, with a link from Lone Pine. -phma 19:36, 26 Sep 2004 (EDT)
I don't think Muir Woods has any special need for a map. It's slightly harder to get to than Manzanar, but it's still pretty easy take US 101 across the Golden Gate, head north on SR 1, at the top of the hill a Muir Woods sign will point you to a road leading right. At the stop sign turn left. When the agonizing part of the descent down the mountain ends, good luck finding parking. Also, needing a map isn't one of listed reasons in Wikitravel:What is an article?. But like I said, just because Muir Woods did the same thing I'm doing here, doesn't make me right :-). -- Colin 18:40, 8 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Colin: I disagree. I think this would make a good attraction for either Lone Pine or Independence or possibly for the Owens Valley region page. I just don't think there's enough here to make a full article out of. And, yes, I'd say the same about Muir Woods (which could be in Mill Valley or maybe Marin County). --Evan 18:41, 8 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Thanks for responding! I guess it always feels weird to me to add an attraction listing to a city entry when the attraction isn't in the city. Maybe I'll just try to get over that :-). -- Colin 18:49, 8 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Oh, and more seriously... although this is a small article at the moment, it's going to put one heck of a dent into Independence when I merge it in. While Manzanar is no Louve in terms of complexity, it is going to end up being most of the content in Independence. Does Manzanar#Respect and Manzanar#Understand really have a place to go in an Attraction Listing? Should I delete them? Just kinda looking for guidance here.-- Colin 18:55, 8 Oct 2004 (EDT)
I think in a lot of cases it makes sense to add an attraction to a city if the attraction isn't in the city but very close by. I think nearby parks and beaches are a good example -- especially if they're not in another city. If you just wouldn't call Independence the "gateway to Manzanar", it might make sense to put the attraction listing in a larger region article -- either Owens Valley or Eastern Sierra. And, yes, I think that if you use the longer attraction listing format, the respect and understand stuff can fit in there quite well. --Evan 19:24, 8 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Thanks. Today I learned there is such a thing as a long-form attraction listing. Heh. -- Colin 19:53, 8 Oct 2004 (EDT)