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Which would be good regions for Limburg? I divided it into North, Middle and South, but now I see Parkstad Limburg. I think that we do not have enough well-developed articles for this subdivision to be very useful yet. Maybe when more articles are developed, we could subdivide South-Limburg into three more regions: Parkstad Limburg, Heuvelland and Western Mine Region. But we're not ready yet. --globe-trotter 10:56, 11 January 2010 (EST)

This is a very good question ..... what should we do with limburg.... I will pounder over this tonight and add my comments this week. But generally we divide it by North Mid and South. But those have subdivisions again. I'm not quite sure if I know all of these. --Velorian 20:46, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Well having done my thinking if this. The best way is to divide Limburg in 3 parts, North/Mid/South. We can also do the region map of limburg this way. I removed Parkstad Limburg and Heuvelland from the list and added all the municipalities. Dividing the map in municipalities I would find unneeded. --Velorian 15:51, 14 January 2010 (EST)

I would suggest renaming the Municipalities section to Cities (the standard WT term for a city, town or village).--Burmesedays 11:18, 14 January 2010 (EST)
Generally we don't use municipalities on Wikitravel. But the municipalities can be a good way of dividing the cities in the Netherlands. But there are exceptions.. for example, Sittard-Geleen doesn't make a nice travel city, I'd rather keep Sittard and Geleen separate. --globe-trotter 16:13, 14 January 2010 (EST)

Ah, I was trying to figure out that municipality policy, and still don't get it. I'm working on South Limburg, my favorite region in the Netherlands. I wonder how the list of cities on top is determined. Are these the largest ones?

Over the past decades, many administrative regions have been changed to comprise two or more small, medium sized and even large towns. As a result, official names now refer to several places at once, e.g.Sittard-Geleen, Gulpen-Wittem or Parkstad. Gulpen-Wittem is now 1 article (Wittem being a large village), Sittard and Geleen are separate and Parkstad is no more than a redirect to the province Limburg. In the South Limburg cities listing (which has 10 instead of 9), Sittard and Geleen are listed separately (even though Geleen is not of great touristic interest) but Gulpen-Wittem is one listing. Is this how it should be, should I change it? And if so, which rules do I follow? Thanks, Justme 08:43, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

You can read here what the current rules are about the scope of articles: Wikitravel:What_is_an_article. It basically consists of the "Can you sleep there?"-test. If there is a hotel in a city, then it's usually a destination. The problem is what to do with the surrounding villages around a city that do not have a hotel. They could either be merged together into one region (so you could make an article Heuvelland) for example) or the listings could be placed in a larger city nearby. --globe-trotter 09:11, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
Okay, thanks, that would basically mean that as good as every village in South Limburg gets its own article (eventually), since places with no single hotel are rare. It definitely means I should split up Gulpen-Wittem then, as both have several places to stay. And then what do I do with the "cities"-list in South Limburg? With Gulpen and Wittem being split, that list is even 11 places. Can I just cut out the ones that are of least interest to travelers? Justme 09:52, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
There is some opinion here that in lowest level region articles, the 9 rule can be relaxed. Otherwise we end up with lots of orphaned city articles. See what I did at Central Java and East Java for example. This is alluded to at Wikitravel:Geographical_hierarchy#Dividing_geographical_units: ...this doesn't need to be applied stringently to the lowest level of the hierarchy; if a region has more than 9 cities in it, and there's no helpful way to divide it into subregions then don't split it.--Burmesedays 09:57, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

Yes, but division is still possible. We could make the Western Mine Region, Parkstad Limburg and Heuvelland. Although I'm not sure if we'd want to make so many subdivisions of such a relatively small region as South Limburg. I think it'd be better if we'd merge some of the Heuvelland villages together in a Heuvelland article. --globe-trotter 11:03, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

You could yes but I am not sure that is desirable in a small country. It just creates yet more region articles which in all likelihood will be bare-bones.--Burmesedays 11:10, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
Besides, those 3 terms are quite confusing as the term Western Mine Region is normally used together with Eastern Mine Region, which comprises large parts of Parkstad. The Heuvelland is not clearly defined and definitions tend to vary but generally cover a large part of South Limburg. Parkstad is mainly an administrative invention, taking up parts of what was always called Heuvelland (e.g. Simpelveld) too. Places like Beek and Schinnen are considered part of the Heuvelland but also fall in the Western Mine Region. Tourist information services sometimes use another imaginary division: Valkenburg, Heuvelland Upland Region, Cities of Parkstad Limburg Limburg, Grensmaasvallei, Maastricht. Quite frankly however, that only seems to add to the confusion.
So basically, I think South Limburg is a pretty straight forward region but any subdivisions seem difficult. I don't really see how creating a Heuvelland article would help, as it overlaps strongly with South Limburg. Can't we put really small villages in the nearby larger villages or cities that they usually belong to administratively anyway? Justme 11:29, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
To your last question, I would answer yes, providing it makes sense for the traveller. If it doesn't then I do not think there is anything wrong with listing more than 9 "cities" in what would be a lowest level region article.--Burmesedays 11:36, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
Okay =) Justme 11:52, 30 July 2011 (EDT)