So I just killed the very detailed explination of how to cheat ticket-takers on various forms of Italian transportation. While I have no problem with creative budget travel solutions, it really was an overwhelming amount of information, much of which was not Italy-specific (i.e. you can also hide in the bathroom or under a seat on a French train). If someone wants to a)convince me it's really important to have all that there or b)rework/slim down the info, I'd prolly not mind having it back in... otherwise ciao bella Majnoona 15:00, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)
Dude! (or dudette) calm down, The World Factbook import is back from the birth of Wikitravel in 2004, and was imported here to get Wikitravel started. There are no more Factbook'ed countries left in wikitravel, so you can stop worrying. As for the cities, I think it's safe to assume it's just a juxtaposition to city/country the same way as many American cities are refered to as city/state. As for the sizes I also find it usable to know that Texas is size of Germany (if that was the case), since I have a pretty good idea how big Germany is, and not much of a concept of Texas other than it's large, has oil and many rednecks who speaks with a funny accent. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 18:24, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
I'm planning a weeklong trip to Italy. I was hoping to take my laptop, so I'd have entertainment on the long flights and train rides. However, many of my friends expressed concerns about the possibility of laptop theft. I was hoping some people here could offer some advice.
As for the particulars, I'll be going to Florence and Rome, and I'm going to be staying in hotels, not hostels. I guess I'm being a little vague here, but any input you can give me would be greatly appreciated. --DropDeadGorgias 12:55, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
A laptop is not more expensive than a good suit or a camera. If it would make you feel better, you could bring a laptop-lock and lock it to a heater.
Yesterday, I added a link to http://www.italianvisits.com which has since been removed. I would like to initiate a discussion about this in light of a similar discussion which is taking place on the main page for Italy in Wikipedia. We seem to have been accepted in the External links section there, at least provisionally, and on the External link sections of many of the regional and "city" pages throughout the Italian section because we offer quality information, photographs and links that are useful to Wikipedia users. There is a concern however, that by allowing ItalianVisits.com and UltimateItaly.com to remain on the main Italy page in Wikipedia, that it will open the floodgates to other tourist site operators who will want to post there. It seems to me that if an "External tourist sites" section is added to this article, it could go a long way to solving the problem AND serve the interests of Wiki users better. I would further suggest that although there are hundreds of "Italian" websites, there are actually very few that offer quality national coverage. A kind of floodgate might open, but if a few, simple criteria were developed for determining which should remain and which not, then it is more than manageable. As I said, I think this is worth a discussion....and would hope to hear from interested Wikipedians. —The preceding comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 2005 October 3.
Sorry for the long posting. Tiramis� is definetly not from Sicily, its origins trace back either to Treviso or Siena. Sicilians could not stand it. "Americans will notice that Italian pasta often has a myriad of sauces rather than simply tomato and alfredo." - true enough, but the matter is different: alfredo sauce is not Italian. You will not find it in Italy and do not try to explain Italians what it is - it is disgusting to Italian taste. "Limoncello can be considered a "moon shine" type of product as every Italian family, especially in the middle (near Napoli)" - Napoli is the capital of the South, Mid Italy starts a few km south of Rome and ends a few km south of Bologna. I would rather correct it with "especially in the south (near Napoli)". Also, you find little lemon production in mid Italy, it is more a southern Italian thing. "An additional note: There are many bars in Italy that cater to tourists and foreigners with "home country" themes, calling themselves such things as "American bars" or "Irish pubs." In addition to travelers, these bars attract a large number of Italians who, among other reasons, go there specifically to meet travelers and foreigners. And while the motivation for the vast majority of these Italians is simply to have a good time with new friends, there can be one or two petty criminals who loiter in and out of these establishments hoping to take advantage of travelers who are disoriented or drunk. Traveling to these places in groups is a simple solution to this problem." - huu, I do not know about that. THe point is that Italians love foreign names, especially English ones, so some 80% of the bars have a (misspellt) English name. I guess most crimes statistically happen in bars with foregn names simply because they are the majority. Posted by dschiavon. no, not a user. 5:32 pm 20/12/2005. —The preceding comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 2005 December 20.
I strongly can not consider Milan as the primary air transport hub for Italy.
A rotten policy by Alitalia has made Milan not an hub anymore. If you look at Alitalia timetable or if you look at the international flight departing from Malpensa you will find that from Milan depart only short haul flight. Whit the exception of some touristic destination (like Cuba, Mexico, santo Domingo, and so on) the only long haul destination departing from Milan are Brazil, Argentina, Bejin and Tokio. (this waht I found out some days ago inspetting the departure from MXP). In the Alitalia opinion one has to flight to Rome and change flight (hence it is Rome that is an hub) or flight to a different European hub (usually by a flight that is codeshared and operated by an Alitalia partner). 18.104.22.168 12:14, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)
"See" section exceed country template and is almost useless because of the enormous amount of monuments in this country. Should we delete it? (by the way, all contributions to that section are mine, at time I didn't know about country template).
Cities and Other Destinations
The Cities and Other Destinations sections seem a bit out of control. Maybe a Wikitraveller who, unlike me, has been to Italy could do some editorial work. -- Jonboy 10:56, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
Someone that is not to tired to do it can add respect for italy. --22.214.171.124 17:18, 20 November 2006 (EST)
Thumbs up gesture is considered offensive? By whom? Never heard such a thing anywere in Italy! The reference to gladiators is a bit naive: do you expect someone nowdays in Italy to remember gladiators? We just watch Big Brother and similia... I'd just erase the part about the thumbs up gesture and its supposed offensivedness. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) 10:38, 2009 January 9
I'm really surprised this section about Italy does not mention the Vespa (or scooters) under getting around. Afterall, the Vespa is a cultural icon in Italy and huge numbers of people use scooters to get around. Who would need to approve such an addition? --User:quietleader 19:26, 3 February 2007 (PST)
Since March 2007 a law cancelled the recharge fares for all the Italians prepaid simcards.
I lived for more than 30 years in Italy, in the last 10 years i was using rented cars provided from my company and i never heard something like this.
Also, nearly all the rented cars have nothing that can identify them as coming from rental services (Hertz, Europcar, Avis don't have any stickers or neither a personalized license plate frame), so i have no clue how "scammer officers" could understand is a rented car.
Actually, if you have to beware, do it with parking controllers, as often they are "wannabee-cops" a lot less tolerant compared to policemen.
The thing is a little messy:
For the Italian Traffic Code, while your speed is checked by a speed radar, they have to apply a tolerance of 5% with a minimum of 5 km/h.
That means: if you're driving 60 km/h they consider it as 55 km/h (the 5% of 60 km/h is 3 km/h, but they must apply at least 5 km/h of tolerance). We deduce that the 5% is appliable only for every speed over 100 km/h. 188.8.131.52 14:49, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
Sleep/bivouac outside camps
In Italy we don't understand the romanian!
"Other Romance languages, especially Spanish or Romanian, although in Italy there are many romanian immigrants, Romanian is not understood. Maybe it's better to know latin, there is always in every town a priest that know its. —The preceding comment was added by Tezaro (talk • contribs) 10:49, 2008 May 28.
In Italy men don't walk arm-in-arm or hand-in-hand
It has the same homosexual connotation as there might be in the United States.
You will have trouble if you follow these instructions, when you want to buy pizza....they never sell pizza based on weight (ex: 200 gr), you can only ask for "a slice of pizza", "two slice of pizza" and so on...how big it is a slice of pizza depends on the single shop... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 2008 June 17
.. moral capital of Italy? Maybe economic, but the moral capital of Italy is and ever had been Rome. 220.127.116.11 05:53, 7 December 2008 (EST)
I de-Babelized, expanded, and then moved the above two cities from the article because the html comment there stated "Please do not change this list without first discussing your proposed change on the talk page. Cities lists are limited by Wikitravel policy to NINE.". Wikibob Talk 17:01, 23 December 2008 (EST)
"During WWII, Italians had a difficult time under the dictator Benito Mussolini, especially after the infamous alliance with Adolf Hitler fell and the Germans turned into enemies. After 60 years this still can be a very sensitive subject and you should simply avoid it, unless you want to seriously discuss. Avoid jokes on the subject too. All Fascist symbolism is prohibited by law and it is well enforced; punishments extend from fines to several years in prison. Just like in Spain and other former-Axis countries and Axis-occupied areas, foreigners are not exempt from this law." Who ever has written this, has no clue about Italy. They have now laws compared to Germany and their are sill a lot of facist monuments in major Italian cities.
a general caution is ok but a specific comment about a specific scam is unweildly because there are allot more than one on the internet
Surely this is more than just an outline page now? Timoa 17:39, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
I don't really think you can call Sardinia remote (even though my wife complains we have never been there!) It has three (I think) airports served by Rome and excellent ferry connections. It is a major tourism destination for Italians (and there are flights from other European countries too).Shep 01:13, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
Is this quite the message Wikitravel wants to send? Expensive yacht charters. There is a lot to say in this section--there are ferries all over the place connecting the mainland with the islands. Does someone have the knowledge to write it? Shep 14:18, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
Methinks a contributor to this page comes from Cortona. It is a very nice little town but does it really rate a mention under Other Destinations when so many places are not included and is the Etruscan Museum at Cortona really a major museum?Shep 14:53, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
I think 18.104.22.168 must be annoyed because of all the edits. The content was very good but it just needed to go into better English.
22.214.171.124 and fascism discussion
Hello to everybody.
First of all: I am sorry if I could to something wrong. It is the first time I write something on Wikipedia related site, so if I make some mistake of "netiquette", I am very sorry.
I really did appreciate corrections in grammar, but what I don't understand is why (if I am not wrong) it was removed
1) the section about how to behave in shops. I had friends from foreign countries, above all from Russia, that were very surprises from the habit in Italy to say "Hello" when entering in a shop, even if the clerk is not so close to you. They were surprised too from our habit (not only italian but west-european) to always smile even to strangers if talking to them (for example asking for road indications)
2) the section about languages is, in my opinion, useful because many tourists think that in Italy we understand french and spanish, and this is not true, we just understand a little bit spanish if it is spoke not so fast. And many french tourists from Paris come here and they simply speak french like it is normal for us to understand it.
3) the secion about fascism ideology is written from someone that really doesn't know Italy. Fascism ideology is completly out of politic in Italy, except for very few people that cannot organize themselves in political parties because in Italy having a "Fascist Partie" is forbidden from the law. Writing that things you give an absolutly wrong idea of Italy and you put people reading wikitravel in dangerous situations, because they think it would be very easy to speak about such topics or even to joke about them.
I am italian, I am born in the south, near the sea, but like many italians I went to study at University and working in the north, in Milan. I know VERY WELL my country, the attitude of his people, his good point and his problems. I know other european cultures having had friends and partners from many european countries, above all est and north europe.
I would like to stop this edit war, maybe to write again my advices in the RESPECT section and having them corrected just from the grammar point of view, without giving to people wrong information about Italy. So I will wait before editing again. :-)
Yes mate, it is ridiculus but don't forget that many tourists (above all from United States) think it is funny to do things like showing the right arm or to make jokes about italian (and german) past. Try to read the wikitravel page about Germany, where they advice to avoid such jokes ^_^
Even though I'm italian (and I spent many years in the south) I've never heard of the "crossed hand-shake that brings bad luck". And my grandad neither :-) Last point: I don't think it's dangerous hichhincking for women. The rate of violent crime is low (EU standars) and most of it is due to mafia (tourists and/or hichhickers are safe). Of course, if the driver seems strange, avoid to get in the car, but this is an international good-sense rule.
OK, I've had a go at this. But history is not my strength so I look for the Collaboration of the Month to improve it. CiaoShep 15:31, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
Allowing yacht charter listings in destinations where there are literally hundreds, is a slippery slope for sure. A spam magnet if there ever was one. I have deleted all of them from this article.--Burmesedays 12:12, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
I would like to change the cities section, ordering them according to their population. Anyone objects? --126.96.36.199 11:21, 16 July 2010 (EDT)
I cut these from the "Other destinations" list, put them here for the future in case someone wants to use them.
Coasts and Islands
--globe-trotter 13:43, 26 July 2010 (EDT)
Get Around: By Bus
This section really isn't of much use for the Italy section (instead of the individual cities) as it only describes how to get around cities, as opposed to traveling between different cities. Presumably there are some long/medium distance bus companies that go between various cities and regions in Italy, and if not it should be stated.
188.8.131.52 15:12, 30 July 2010 (EDT) (Arg, can't remember my password.)
I am not sure why either Vatican City or Praja a Mare are listed here. The Vatican is covered by the listing of Rome as a city destination. Praja, while undoubtedly charming, is technically a city and doesn't seem to me to have the multiple attractions required for a destination listing. I think it was added by some enthusiastic promoter of the place who also inserted the city in many pages under the Get Out section. Shep 14:49, 6 April 2011 (EDT)
Get around: by car
In the section about motorway toll boots, it is stated: "Bring cash & know that backing out of a toll lane is normal!". There are indeed some people doing it, but it is not at all normal and most of all, it's illegal and very heavily fined; definitely not advisable as the article now does. Therefore I'm modifying that section. Also, in English "highway" just means a major road (it could also be a "strada statale"), while the correct term for "autostrada" is "motorway" or "freeway". Faxre99 09:30, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
A self contradiction
In the section Getting around/By car, the article states that "Non-resident drivers are required to pay their fines on the spot, and the police won't hesitate to escort you to the nearest ATM to withdraw the cash you need." but further down under the heading Stay safe/crime it says that "Policemen in Italy are not authorized to collect fines of any kind and have no authority to ask you for money for any reason." We ought to find a source and delete whichever is wrong. --Nuclear Warhead 14:49, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
Here is section 207 of the Italian Traffic Code. It states that if an offence is committed with a vehicle with foreign registration, the driver can choose either to accept the fine and pay it immediately to the notifying officer, who must issue a receipt; or, if the driver intends to appeal, to pay a deposit immediately for an amount of half of the maximum fine. Either way, the driver is forced to pay something on the spot. The sentence you are quoting about policemen not authorized to collect money only applies to vehicles with an Italian registration, whose drivers may not pay the fine on the spot. Hence I'm going to modify that sentence accordingly. Faxre99 09:12, 5 December 2011 (EST)
Literature: The Leopard
Under the Literature section, please add The Leopard (Il Gattopardo) by Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa, which "...chronicles the changes in Sicilian life and society during the Risorgimento." (Quote from Wikipedia) I'd do it myself but I couldn't figure out how. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs)
Where to start Italy?
Discover the history and romance of [Rome], Florence, and Venice with this amazing attraction. During your time in Rome you could visit the Vatican Museums and marvel at the Sistine Chapel, both of which draw millions of visitors every year. Walk through the Roman Colosseum and stop to view Capitoline Hill, or explore the boutiques and shops near the Trevi Fountain, a dramatic and impressive display of Roman artistry. From Rome take the train to Florence
"Remember that political hooliganism is not much uncommon in Italy, and that anti-fascists are not less violent than fascists."
I find this sentence really weird. I can't understand why it has to be written on a travel guide: as if anti fascists were crazy people, hidden behind the corner ready to punch the first unlucky guy. Obviously if you (italian or not, tourist or not) show, with your speech, your actions, with writings on your clothes ecc, to be a fascist you might have the hell beaten out of you, but this is just what you do deserve for being a fascists. And this, fittingly, happens in Italy as everywhere else. I hope I made my point. —The preceding comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs)
Praja a Mare...why?
In the article there are at least 3 pics of the village...why? It's such as an unknown seaside destination, in Italy there are surely more popular balnear spots. —The preceding comment was added by User:18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs)
Get around: by train
I'd be grateful if somebody could go though this section again an make it easier to understand. For example, combine the Trenitalia Ticketless information with the rest of the section. As it is, it's a bit confusing - for example, if I buy the ticket for a high-speed train online, do I need to have a printout with me or just the PNR? Do I always have to pick my ticket from a machine? Do I have stamp it before getting on the train?
Since this is quite a long entry, I'd suggest breaking it down into sub-sections, such as: