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I have eliminated Oklahoma City from the list as it is not a major destination for the GBLT travler.


I'm thinking about creating a "homophobia" MediaWiki template for simultaneous inclusion in several articles that are listed as unsafe destinations on this page. The wording could be something like this:

"{{PAGENAME}} is considered an unsafe or unfriendly destination for GLBT travellers. See the Gay and lesbian travel page for details."

It could contain graphic elements in the future but for the time being only the text would be ok. Does that sound fine? -- Ricardo (Rmx) 09:23, 1 December 2006 (EST)

Could you change "is considered" to "is"? Then I'm OK with it. --Evan 09:50, 1 December 2006 (EST)
I'm not OK with it -- any info on why destination X is unsafe belongs in the page of X, not a separate page. Jpatokal 09:57, 1 December 2006 (EST)
Why is this needed over the stay safe section? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 14:51, 1 December 2006 (EST)
Andrew, sorry but I'm not sure I fully understand your question. Anyway, if you're questioning the existence of the "Dangerous destinations" section of this article, I wouldn't say it is needed over the stay safe section. I think it's a good source for contributors who would like to later develop the stay safe sections of the nearly 100 countries listed there - I doubt anybody would want to write them at once - and having the countries listed here is better than relying on external links and sources over which we have no control. As for the template itself, I've thought it over and now agree with Jpatokal - the details should be in the destination articles and in this case templates are not a good choice for inclusion of detailed information for each particular place. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 17:25, 1 December 2006 (EST)
I was referring to the template, not this article. I can see why this article would be useful, but I was wondering why a template should have been used, however, since you're in agreement with Jani it doesn't really matter. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:30, 1 December 2006 (EST)

Homophobic edits[edit]

Recently there has been a rash of attacks from certain users who keep changing "gay" to "perverted" and so on. Is there a mechanism in Wikitravel that locks and/or bans users from editing a page?--Bud001 04:14, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Yes, admins can protect pages, we've got an eye on this one :) – cacahuate talk 05:05, 23 November 2007 (EST)
I think this has gone on long enough. Shall we protect the page? PerryPlanet 17:52, 28 November 2007 (EST)
I just protected it, but was not sure how to set duration so ended up with protection duration of forever. That neds to be turned off in a day or two. Pashley 18:04, 28 November 2007 (EST)
Agree with short term protection. Also glad to see someone else found the "Expiry" field to be vague. I had to ask Bill. OldPine 18:58, 28 November 2007 (EST)
Just specify the protection as "1 day." It isn't "certain users," it is one user who jumps from open proxy to open proxy. A systematic fix is being proposed (one which btw may counter some other trolls and vandals), but it'll take some time, so for right now, all anyone can do is counsel patience and do reverts as needed. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 19:10, 28 November 2007 (EST)
Where is that proposal being discussed? Pashley 19:39, 28 November 2007 (EST)
It's at Wikitravel talk:Community policies, I believe. --OldPine 20:00, 28 November 2007 (EST)
I just changed the protection to allow no anon users for 10 days. Seemed the best way since our vandal comes in from anon proxies. If another admin wants to alter that, I've no strong objection; this was just my guess at a good limit. Pashley 04:34, 30 November 2007 (EST)
Any of this going on in 2020 and I tell you, it's gonna get *stopped*. Thomas.W (talk) 18:25, 21 May 2020 (EDT)


What on earth is going on here!??!? This is so messed up it should be deleted or at least protected. 06:01, 23 November 2007 (EST)

The troll-fu is weak in this one. -- Colin 16:40, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Vote for deletion[edit]

An anonymous user suggested this article be deleted. It wasn't. See Wikitravel:Votes_for_deletion/November_2007#Gay_and_lesbian_travel for the discussion.

I have removed the claim that Glasgow is host to Scotland's largest gay population as it is a nonsense to suggest data exists which could verify that. Edinburgh might just as easily have a claim to that title, but equally as this cannot be proven the comment has been removed.

GLBT laws and "the map"[edit]

So, I am translating this into the swedish language version of Wikitravel and come to the phrase "...The map on the right shows the legal status of homosexuality in countries around the world...". But - where's the map?? Riggwelter 18:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't know, but I think there was a licensing problem with the one on Wikipedia. That or it just wasn't updated enough to include. I'd remove that phrase, but perhaps a perusal of the GLBT laws images on Wikipedia would be better. --Peter Talk 15:26, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


Is there a reason why Russia isn't somewhere in the article? 11:50, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

Are you being serious? You know that is the most homophobic nation in the world. Thomas.W (talk) 18:23, 21 May 2020 (EDT)


Do you think Turkey should be placed in the Middle East instead of Europe? The racial make-up of Turks is more Middle Eastern than European, so those who are interested in Middle Eastern gay life would be interested in Turkey, especially since most of the Middle East is so against homosexuality. ChubbyWimbus 03:54, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

Yes because it is not *proper* Europe. You don't get Latin or Germanic influences in Turkey so it is not really a European country and their anti-gay attitude need not be a slur upon the beautiful and high-culture reputation of Europe. Thomas.W (talk) 18:24, 21 May 2020 (EDT)
I'd say virtually all gay nightlife takes place in European Turkey. Certainly the one listed location falls firmly in Europe. --Peter Talk 21:54, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
I meant that the Turkish people are Middle Eastern so those interested in meeting homosexual Middle Easterners would probably be more interested (or have a more particular interest) in Turkey than those interested in the European gay scene who would probably look to Amsterdam or somewhere in Western Europe. Since gay travel of this sort is often about finding men/women of a particular race or physical make-up, it would probably be more helpful to list Turkey as a Middle Eastern listing. Otherwise, aside from Israel, the message is that gay travel to places where there are many Middle Eastern people (the Middle East) is dangerous, illegal, and basically not possible. ChubbyWimbus 22:14, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
I tend to think gay nightlife in Istanbul, even on Istiklar, is still pretty ballsy... --Peter Talk 22:20, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
Hmm... But not so ballsy when the other options are Iran or Saudi Arabia? Things are certainly rough for the homosexual with an interest in Middle Easterners, but as one of the only viable options, Turkey should be there. ChubbyWimbus 22:24, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

GLBT? LGBTQ?[edit]

How come the title is LGBTQ but the article uses GLBT? Don't we need to make it a little more consistent? Texugo 03:11, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

And what does Q stand for? I presume it's for queer (?), but isn't that already covered by G? If anything, right title should be LGBTT, standing for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual, and transvestite, but I wouldn't mind a return to former title of Gay and lesbian travel (which I think was much better than whole this capital letters stuff). In fact, move was performed by a fairly new user, without a discussion as far as I can see. – Vidimian 03:45, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
The 'Q' is a fairly recent addition that most people (including GLBT members themselves) don't really understand or find necessary. The change of L(esbian) first over G(ay) is a "progressive" feminist move. I also think that "Gay and Lesbian Travel" sounds better. New users shouldn't be moving a page like this without discussion. ChubbyWimbus 13:34, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
The Q is "queer or questioning," while the T is "transgender," which is a more catch-all term. This is definitely an Americanism (I think). I don't care too strongly either way about the naming, although I know that some will find "gay and lesbian" a bit more narrow than they would like. --Peter Talk 17:06, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
I think the only people who would be offended would be those who like to pretend to be offended by everything (probably a straight person with no affiliations to any part of the GLBTQRSTUVWXYZ community). From a traveler's perspective, you are either going on a gay-themed trip or to a (Gay) Pride Parade or you are not. Even if a bisexual or transexual gathering were placed on the page, that doesn't make it offensive. The difference between gay travel and just travel is the homosexual experience. Just doing a search, a lot of sites just say "Gay travel", but "gay and lesbian travel" looks better than jumbling letters. ChubbyWimbus 17:22, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
One more vote for plain English instead of acronym jumbles. Jpatokal 19:06, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
I'll voice support for simplicity—"Gay travel." --Peter Talk 19:23, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
I could support either the former title or Peter's suggestion. Texugo 22:59, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

Can one of the admins please make the change to either "Gay travel" or "Gay and lesbian travel", as it seems there is a clear consensus above to use words over acronyms? ChubbyWimbus 00:27, 8 November 2010 (EST)

It's already done, but FYI, any user who has been registered for at least one month can move the article (no admin needed). --Peter Talk 17:47, 9 November 2010 (EST)

I thought if the page that you wanted to move it to was already created (as a redirect to the unwanted title), it had to be deleted by an admin before being able to move it? ChubbyWimbus 03:19, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Whoops, indeed! --Peter Talk 21:03, 13 November 2010 (EST)


  • Madrid has a famous gay quarter named "Chueca" with many bars, restaurants, clubs, discos and gay-catered business, although gay life is not restricted to that area Template:Citation needed. User:


I read "Some countries, such as Canada, have even adopted hate-speech laws against those who identify as LGBT", and I simply can't believe it - the implication is that being openly gay exposes you to legal action because being gay is a form of "hate speech" (?????). Sure the hate-speech laws are directed against people who verbally attack those who identify as LGBT? 11:52, 7 December 2017 (EST)