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I'm looking for a inexpensive package for hotel and tickets to Disneyland. Any ideas?


copied from User talk:Cacahuate:

I think your renaming of the Disneyland article is way too ambiguous. The name "Disneyland" refers specifically to the single theme park, whereas "Disneyland Resort" refers to the entire complex of two theme parks, a shopping and entertainment district, and three hotels. See the articles for Walt Disney World Resort, Disneyland Resort Paris, and Tokyo Disney Resort - they all use their complete names.

User:Jonathan_784 9/24/08 9:20 AM CDT

Hi Jonathan, I moved it because we use most common names, not official ones, but I see what you're saying... I still vote for keeping it at "Disneyland", but would love to hear other opinions and am open to moving it back if that's the consensus. Note that all of these Disney articles originally were at their most common names, but one zealous user moved them all, and seemed to get away with it, back in March. There's a lot of discussion about it at Talk:Walt Disney World Resort, which used to, and IMO should still, reside at "Disney World" – cacahuate talk 14:40, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
Ultimately, because of redirects, I don't think it matters a whole lot. "Disneyland" is an odd case anyway, because most people use it to mean the whole resort, even though the Walt Disney Company uses it to refer only to the original park; making matters worse, the name of the whole resort is easily abbreviated "Disneyland". Certainly the article needs to make clear the difference between "Disneyland" and "Disneyland Resort", so I can understand the desire to continue the distinction through to the title. Walt Disney World doesn't have this problem and thus the choice is somewhat more straightforward. LtPowers 15:33, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

copied from User talk:Cacahuate I just went over your reply and took some time to gather some thoughts; here is what I think:

  • There really ought to be exceptions to the naming convention, when it comes to destinations other than cities or countries. I mean, there's good reason why the article for Zion National Park (which I should also point out is a Star article, for which I've invested a tremendous amount of effort into the Walt Disney World article) is called just that and not just "Zion".
  • I also think that the title of just "Disneyland" could also apply to Disneyland Paris, Hong Kong Disneyland, or Tokyo Disneyland, creating even more confusion for French, Chinese, and Japanese readers.
  • As for the Walt Disney World Resort article, the name should either stay as it is or have only the "Resort" dropped; the "Walt" must stay put. The reason for this is clearly addressed in the infobox titled "An ode to Walt" in the Understand section. I have also been at a loss as to how to incorporate this quote into the article:
"Everyone has heard of the Ford cars. But have they all heard of Henry Ford, who started it all? Walt Disney World is in memory of the man who started it all, so people will know his name as long as Walt Disney World is here." -- Roy O. Disney

Jonathan 784 16:42, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, I would argue that Zion National Park is the most common name, not just Zion. For Disneyland, the original one is by far the most famous and well-known, which is why it should still occupy the main "Disneyland" spot, the same as we would do for say Memphis, even though the one in Tennessee isn't the only one in existence. @ LtPowers, I agree that redirects make it easy to find an article, but this is no different than any city or other thing that the naming conventions apply to, we always use the most common name, unless there's a really good reason not to, and so far I don't think any good argument has been brought to diverge from the conventionscacahuate talk 17:00, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
Ambiguity seems like sufficient reason in this case, at least arguably so. The ambiguity is with both the other Disneylands around the world as well as the original Disneyland Park. LtPowers 09:57, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


What's with the images? They aren't showing up! Jonathan 784 12:39, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Fixed now. See [1]. Jpatokal 13:06, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

The images have disappeared again. And I don't understand the discussion one bit. Please copy and paste the useful information to my discussion posting. Jonathan 784 00:06, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Beating the lines[edit]