I'm not sure I have the year of Franco's death right. Can one of you check it? Also do we not have a Spanish phrasebook? I didn't expect to have Catalan, but maybe we should link to it anyhow, in case some Catalan speaker is feeling constructive. -- Uchuha 04:19, 2003 Nov 10 (PST)
Hello, I'm Roger, from BArcelona, I'll try to help with the phrasebook (Spanish and Catalan).
Franco died November 20th, 1975. He is Buried in Valle de los Caídos, Near Madrid
- Thanks for the info, and especially for the help with the phrasebook. -- Uchuha 06:56, 2003 Nov 10 (PST)
I've started with the Spanish one. I have a problem with the pronunciation (don't know the English exact sound of the words) Can somebody help?
Added this section and the map to give an rough overview of where it is. The image is reused from the page for the Aragon region. Ideally it should have an integrated map with provinces and main cities and roads etc.--Terence s 18:44, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
All of the text that was added to this section by 126.96.36.199 has been copied from http://www.catalanbirdtours.com has permission been given to release this text from any copyright? -- ThomasP 08:51, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
- The contributions need to be explicitly given to us for us to keep it. Accepting it from an anonymous user just doesn't work. And if we do get the contribution explicitly given, we are unlikely to keep all the first person accounts and multiple external links to catalanbirdtours.com. -- Colin 18:47, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
I have changed a sentence that said that Spanish is called Castellano in Catalunya. This isn't true. Spanish is called Castellano everywhere. An Argentinian would say they speak Castellano (although the pronunciation of the word is different).
I am very confused. We have four regions listed and then four provinces, all with the direct parent of Catalonia. Are they all in fact sub-regions? And one of the regions is the Pyrenees which is is not an article at all but a page of Wikilinks. Can anyone clarify?--Burmesedays 09:44, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
- Yes we need to change the regions, as the current structure doesn't work. I'd say the regions should not be the provinces, as they at least need to incorporate the Costa Brava and Costa Daurada. --globe-trotter 11:52, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
- This is a mess and a complete misunderstanding of a whole lot of things. If memory serves, people are stating that Regions need to be defined by touristic regions as opposed to administrative ones. That's fine, but having Girona Province forward to Costa Brava is just flat-out wrong as well as listing Girona the town as the capital of this "region". Costa Brava is in the Girona Province, not the other way around. I can understand not wanting to granulate everything down to counties as Regions and attractions can span several, but you simply can't do this or your geography is going to end up in a state like the Barcelona page. There are only four provinces in Catalonia. Seriously, it can't be that big of a deal to break down Regions in to these? This decision to follow what traditional guidebooks do is really a dead-end as they do it due to a limitation of space. We aren't encumbered by this problem here and can properly organize things to flesh out piles and piles of content that simply isn't possible in a book. I have no idea who eco84 is, but it appears he doesn't live in Catalunya and shouldn't be making these calls. I'm tempted to undo every single one of his changes as they're factually inaccurate. Lastly, what the is that map on this page? The "spheres of Catalunya"? --primecoordinator 14:53, 20 August 2010 (PST)
- That map shows the tourist regions of Catalonia and I think they are pretty good. You're right that the Costa Brava region is a bit too large, so adapt it as you find necessary. I think using the Provinces is a bad idea as many travellers have no idea what they mean. Even me as a Dutchy knows the Costa Brava, but I wouldn't have a clue about Girona Province. --globe-trotter 18:56, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
- Does anyone on this site realize that there are tourists from Spain who do actually know these things? While you and the rest of the Netherlands may know "Costa Brava" as a term, American and Canadian tourists don't. And that map is pointless. Costa Brava is a tiny, tiny chunk of the seven counties included in it. What of the rest of that? That's why you need to break it down by provinces first. This is like if you went from the United to San Francisco Bay Area and skipped the step of including California as a container between the two. I'm not saying that Regions are invalid, but they serve no purpose and are geographically retarded if not enclosed in something smaller than an entire autonomous province. --primecoordinator 19:01, 20 August 2010 (PST)
- I think the map is definitely not retarded, just the name "Costa Brava" is wrong for the area described. We better call that area Girona Region or something like that. For the rest, it's a fine map that follows the 1995 Regional Plan of Catalonia or the so-called "vegerias" . They are culturally significant, much more than the political provinces, which are just lines without any cultural, historical or geographical ties. --globe-trotter 11:18, 23 August 2010 (EDT)
I am a native Catalan but I don't understand the map. We have 4 regions called "províncies" (Barcelona, Girona, Lleida, Tarragona). In 2006 the Catalan Government stated, in the new Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia, to restore the so called "vegueries" as the official division, but this has not been applied. They are seven and it is the map you have in here. But those regions don't coincide with the touristic areas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs)
- So as a native Catalan, which regions would you propose? --globe-trotter 11:35, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
- I have now added the provinces as regions, and created a map. I hope that is okay. Barcelona (province) and Girona (province) already have more than 9 cities, so those provinces will need further divisions. --globe-trotter 18:07, 12 October 2011 (EDT)