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Stay Safe section question[edit]

The LGBT reference in Stay Safe seems a bit over-the-top or too strong. It really doesn't affect me much, but I can see it possibly being bothersome for others. Traveling should be enjoyable and welcoming experience for all, without making anyone unnecessarily feel ill at ease. While there isn't an LGBT area in Amarillo like Oak Lawn in Dallas or Montrose in Houston, there really isn't a brick wall at the city limits. I lived in Amarillo for a few years, and found the majority of folks there to be really friendly, welcoming, and helpful. Is there a better way, if any, to be informational without being off-putting about a destination? Swissjohn29 (talk) 14:13, 25 February 2019 (EST)

Same message was added on many other pages and it lead to an Edit war. It looks really exaggerated, the section should be rewritten. GiulioC (talk) 08:09, 26 February 2019 (EST)
Not sure what I can do to help fix it, but I'll try. Appreciate the confirmation and reply, thanks Giulio. Swissjohn29 (talk) 11:28, 26 February 2019 (EST)
I've come up with an updated version that I'll post with more content for other sections that I'm adding. It tones down this issue and also mixes in another, more pertinent situation, all in a less over-the-top, less derogatory fashion. Swissjohn29 (talk) 04:46, 7 March 2019 (EST)
GiulioC, I have reverted per my update to you just now. I added the reasoning again also. Swissjohn29 (talk) 02:10, 18 March 2019 (EDT)

See my compromise edit and talk here. I think this edit is slightly calmer but still gets my concerns across. Talk here, no more reverts from either side. Let's talk —The preceding comment was added by Tut (talkcontribs) (Please remember to sign your name with ~~~~ , you can find it below the editing field.) GiulioC (talk) 07:00, 21 March 2019 (EDT)

Now let's wait for Swissjohn29 to join the conversation. GiulioC (talk) 07:00, 21 March 2019 (EDT)
The back/forth has gotten rather tiring. OK, I see a slight difference in tone, but I still have a concern. I lived up there for 4 years, and I didn't see this much of an anti-LGBT mood, although most people in the city at the time weren't trying to be flamboyant either. The first years of the hotel biz part of my career were spent up there also, so I have a long history in the hospitality industry. When I discovered this site not long ago, I ran across the Amarillo section, and noticed right away that there was much updating to do and need to add more listings. The only thing shown in Stay Safe was solely, and quite negatively, anti-LGBT. I have been linked to social media in recent years for the Amarillo newspaper and 1 of the TV stations, and haven't really heard anything like what was posted here. In the recent days since starting to look around for a good, updated list of current restaurants and bars, I have found a downtown nightclub that caters to the LGBT crowd right across from the tallest bank building in town. Next door is a restaurant that, by its description and pictures online, appears to be LGBT-friendly, and by the several comments listed, several straight people have eaten there and enjoyed the food. Neither place was located there when I lived there before. Obviously the city is not completely anti-LGBT now, or those 2 places wouldn't be there. Both places show many reviews, mostly 4- or 5-star, that date back a few years. None talk about harassment or unwelcoming moods. There are well over 20 new hotels built/opened in the city since I lived there, so obviously there is demand in the market for more rooms, which means welcoming more guests to the area. I'll admit, a few glances at the area from afar online isn't the same as living there or seeing things on a daily basis, but I still question why one person can see such a pervasive negativity in a city when I haven't been able to find things as bad there. In addition, I didn't completely remove the LGBT mention in the Stay Safe section, but figured out a narrative that I thought was inclusive, yet still addressed any possible concerns (hence the name of the section), if any. What I posted has regularly been welcomed by the admins, but rejected by someone out there in the webworld. Whether it is you or not, Tut, I don't know. I have been a little more focused in the last few days on trying to update/add listings to other sections there, which I'm not quite finished with. Thank you to GiulioC and the other admins for hearing me out and for their patience when I've knocked on their door more than once. Swissjohn29 (talk) 11:37, 21 March 2019 (EDT)

Sleep listings[edit]

A recent posting was added regarding non-hotel sleep options. It references rents, arranged through Craigslist. Is the Sleep section for apartments also, or for hotels/camps/B&B's/etc. only? Also, I have found Craigslist to not be the most trustworthy source online for services like that. Would it be better to not make references like that on Wikitravel? Swissjohn29 (talk) 14:23, 25 February 2019 (EST)

Craigslist shouldn't be there, check our external links policy. GiulioC (talk) 08:09, 26 February 2019 (EST)
I wasn't sure, but I figured as much. Thanks Giulio for the input. Swissjohn29 (talk) 11:31, 26 February 2019 (EST)

Craigslist may not be a traditional rental and can be risky but many listings are legit and is an option for travellers to consider. Since it is something they may want and withholding options for a living situation ruins that opportunity to be fully informed. In addition, living together with someone local can better your experience and ability to enjoy the place you are at and maybe allow you to mesh in better with the townspeople. For all these reasons, I would argue to keep it. Plus it allows renting direct just like from a hotel except from another person. Is there a way we can reword it to conform with guidelines and keep it in? Tut (talk) 11:18, 23 March 2019 (EDT) May I also add I did not see where in the external links guideline that Craiglist ads broke any rules and most seem to loosely follow the format of https://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Accommodation_listings by giving prices, details, addresses, contact info and pictures so it has all the details that would normally be used for a hotel listing Tut (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

Have another look at [Wikitravel:Accommodation listings|accommodation listings]], we just don't want to offer an apartment-finder or rental service, reason why we usually revert these edits. Adzas (talk) 14:19, 24 March 2019 (EDT)

Eat and other listings[edit]

I am still in the process of updating sections of the Amarillo page. As for the Eat section, that is still being added to, but so far (as well as my previous history in the city), I have yet to find any French-style restaurants. As for bakeries, there are 2 listings, one updated and one newly-added. Thank you Tut for your input/concern, as the back/forth here has been a bit much, but I am not quite done looking over the situation in the city with the obviously-needed updates and additions. I have found several existing entries here that have moved or closed, for example. IMO, travel isn't supposed to be negative, but rather a welcoming, leisurely experience. Conversation is *much* better than the alternative. Swissjohn29 (talk) 12:03, 21 March 2019 (EDT)

The French food addition was an error. Tut (talk) 18:31, 21 March 2019 (EDT)
"Budget costing tasted food"?? Not sure what that's supposed to be. Swissjohn29 (talk) 15:25, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

Opening description[edit]

As far as I know, Amarillo has never been known as the "Yellow Rose of Amarillo". Swissjohn29 (talk) 15:27, 23 March 2019 (EDT) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yellow_Rose_of_Texas Tut (talk) 12:16, 24 March 2019 (EDT)