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What to do with Old Town[edit]

Recently I changed Old Town into a complex attraction, but now I'm wondering whether to give it its own "district" article. There seems to be enough there to warrant its own article, but I'm still new to Wikitravel so I'm not really sure.

For those who have been to Old Town, what do you think? Is Old Town worthy of an article? PerryPlanet 17:55, 25 December 2006 (EST)

I don't think so -- yet. Albuquerque is a bit small to call for the "huge city" template/approach. The article can probably be kept to manageable size without breaking into districts.
Incidentally, you've been doing a FANTASTIC job with this article. I've learned stuff from it that I didn't know despite having lived just down the road a piece for over 25 years. Great work; I think this is another star article in the making. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:54, 25 December 2006 (EST)

Truely local dining[edit]

I've added Barelas, (i for the longest time spelled it Barellas), and i've included the Geo information for it. However, are there any other really hard to find local restaurants that people can think of? I'd love to see them as an albuquerquian, and one that loves food. Indrora 17:38, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Just one quick question, is there any particular reason you added a {{style}} tag? (EDIT: Oops, wait, you didn't add that tag...) As far as I can see, the Eat section fits the Manual of Style almost perfectly. PerryPlanet 19:46, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Push for Star status[edit]

I think we're getting really close now. Imagine, two New Mexico star articles! Anyway, here's what needs to be improved if we want to turn this into a star:

  • Needs a map
  • Better Sleep listings (and more of them, too)
  • More in the "Buy" section
  • Anything else you can think of.

With the exception of the map, I'm afraid I might not be of too much help. I don't do a lot of shopping (other than grocery shopping) and I've haven't needed to sleep in a motel in Albuquerque anytime recently.

Also, I noticed we don't have any price ranges for when we call something "Budget", "Mid-range", or "Splurge" here in Albuquerque. I really have no idea what these would be. Any ideas? PerryPlanet 19:50, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Considering how many Star articles there are that would be amazing. As far as hotel ranges per diem for Albuqueque is $70 so the low mid range should be right around there. I did a quick check of the what was there and Crossland is $40 - $50, Microtell $55 - $70, The courtyard is $90, the pyramid is $130 -$180, the Hyatt is $300 - $500. So I guess going on how it is already sorted, and what seems to make sense: Budget - Under $60/$65, Mid - $60/$65 - $150?$200?, high - $150/$200+. Hotels can probably be found by doing research, as people stay in them they can add commentary I suppose. One question I have, I can't see Rio Rancho, Bernillio, or Coralles justifying their own article and it seems like they should be included in ABQ, as it is all the Albuquerque Metro Area (redirect the articles to here in case someone is looking for them). If we go that route a lot of information will need to be added... I am brand new here, do you know how other 'metro' articles are done? Ralthor 21:26, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
Bernalillo already has its own article actually. But I agree that there's not enough in Rio Rancho and Coralles to justify articles for them, and I don't think they're well-known enough that we need to do redirect articles. One thing we can do is put Rio Rancho/Coralles stuff in the ABQ article (unless it's much closer to Bernalillo, in which case we could put it the Bernalillo article), or perhaps we could put it in the Central New Mexico article? It depends on how much there is to share about Rio Rancho. There really doesn't seem to be a whole lot for the tourist out there. EDIT: I just looked at the Rio Rancho and Corrales chamber of commerce websites. Corrales has a couple of nice places and a little main street business district. Frankly, I think that could fit really well into the Central New Mexico article (quaint little village just outside ABQ, really fits the feel of that article) with a single "See" listing on Corrales mentioning the nice little main street district, and then perhaps a couple "Eat" listings if we feel like (in fact, there's already an "Eat" listing for a place in Corrales). As for Rio Rancho, it seems like the only thing they've really got is the arena where the Scorpions hockey team plays, and I think we could just stick that into a "Do" listing in the Albuquerque article, like the Isotopes and the Lobos. PerryPlanet 23:35, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
That sounds good, Rio Rancho really only has the Santa Ana Center, I can't think of anything interesting to travelers except maybe the plans for city-wide wifi, and Intel is already under Work section. I lived in Corrales for a year and definetly considered it part of Albuquerque, but it is certaily different, its like a rural town hidden inside a big city, the main street starts basically at the Cottonwood mall (can add that under shopping if we include Rio Rancho) and comes back out at the top of Rio Rancho so its hard to seperate it out. But this seems like a good course of action. Include Rio Rancho in Albuquerque, Coralles in Central New Mexico and mention it here, make sure Bernalillo stuff gets put in Bernalillo (and mentioned in Albuqueque, which it currently isn't). Ralthor 21:10, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
In my opinion Rio Rancho should eventually have its own article; it's a "destination" for professional travel because of Intel. Mention the hotels and restaurants there, since people traveling to Intel on business will likely stay/eat in Rio Rancho. The situation with Corrales is a bit less clear, but I'd lean toward eventually writing an article for it too. Albuquerque is unusual in not really having "suburbs" other than Rio Rancho; most of the other towns in the metro area (Corrales included) developed before ABQ grew out to meet and envelop them, and have their own distinctive identities as a result. This argues in favor of distinct articles, with the same level of content and development as in articles for the state's other small towns. However, it's not urgent. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:24, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
  • GREAT news everyone! I finally was able to hone my developing map skills and I created a pretty decent map of Albuquerque. I am also going to make a smaller Downtown/Old Town map very soon, and you can see the boundaries for it on the current big map. I just couldn't fit all the stuff in that area onto this big map, it's going to need its own little map. PerryPlanet 06:32, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
UPDATE: I finished the Downtown/Old Town map. PerryPlanet 23:38, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
That looks great, nice job.--Ralthor 00:38, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

UNM/Nob Hill map[edit]

I'm going to post this here, in case someone's wondering why I did this...

I made a small map for the UNM/Nob Hill area because we had a growing number of listings for that small section of town and it was getting annoying trying cram all of them onto the main Albuquerque map. So I made a separate map for the area, like the one for the Downtown/Old Town area. PerryPlanet 03:18, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Edit conflict[edit]

  • Moved this here from the pub as part of a sweep-up as it is since resolved. Nrms 14:51, 10 November 2008 (EST)

I can't edit Albuquerque for some reason. Says edit conflict. Keep smiling, ee talk 03:42, 9 November 2008 (EST) .

Means somebody else has edited the article at the same time, or even that you've got two copies of it open and are trying to save different versions on top of each other (happen more easily than you'd think when you open too many tabs...). The edit conflict page tells you what the conflicts are, fix them and save again. Jpatokal 07:21, 9 November 2008 (EST)
I can't find the edit conflict. No one else is editing. Keep smiling, ee talk 10:44, 9 November 2008 (EST).
I've been having the same problem, and no one else is editing the page because it happens every darn time I try to edit the page. PerryPlanet 11:08, 9 November 2008 (EST)
The first line of the conflict screen provides the useful info - "this edit has been blocked by the spam filter". Apparently angelfire dot com is on the spam blacklist. I've removed that link from the article, so hopefully it should be editable again. -- Ryan • (talk) • 11:11, 9 November 2008 (EST)
Boo-yah! I couldn't figure out where that angel fire link was. Thank you! PerryPlanet 11:13, 9 November 2008 (EST)


The article says: "Many Albuquerqueans consider Interstates 40 and 25, which run through the city, to be their own personal expressways."

-- What exactly is the intended meaning of this sentence ? Why would we not consider the Interstates to be expressways that we can use ? —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs) .

I believe it's the difference between "personal expressway" and "shared expressway". LtPowers 10:07, 2 November 2009 (EST)
As in, "Screw the speed limit, this is my road, I'll drive at the speed I want to on it." Sadly, there is truth to this observation. I've driven in nearly every state of the union, and no matter how much I love the state of New Mexico otherwise, its drivers are possibly the country's worst, on average... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:36, 2 November 2009 (EST)
Worse than Massachusetts?? LtPowers 11:48, 3 November 2009 (EST)
Yes, although in fairness, generally not having to negotiate anything like the sheer madness of Boston roads. Boston roads combine with Massachusetts drivers to make the overall experience more painful than driving in New Mexico, in my experience, but I'll stand on my statement as regards the drivers themselves. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:41, 14 November 2009 (EST)
Well, I can vouch for the snow comment: we recently had a 45-minute snow storm (flurries, mainly, that were gone by the end of the day) and during the 2 hours I was driving around, I saw 4 wrecks. 01:54, 23 November 2009 (EST)


What are the criteria for including a particular store in the article ? I'd like to nominate CostPlus World Market. There are two locations in ABQ: Menaul at Carlisle and Old Airport Rd near Cottonwood Mall. They carry items from "all over the world", many of which cannot be found in other stores. It is not typical of Albuquerque (there are locations in other part of the country) but may be of great interest to travelers. 02:15, 23 November 2009 (EST)

I think the fact that it is not unique to Albuquerque (or at least the general region) is enough reason to not put it here. I don't think a traveler to Albuquerque is going to be any more interested in a Cost Plus than say, a traveler to New York City. PerryPlanet Talk 14:27, 23 November 2009 (EST)
OK. I saw Old World Imports on the list and thought that was a national chain. But the other "Old World Import"s in Tucson and Chicago may just share a name.
Looking at the website, it looks like that's strictly a local business. PerryPlanet Talk 15:28, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Obvious omissions?[edit]

Shouldn't we have a caution in "Get In" about making sure to turn left? Or at least a mention in "Sleep" about the oh-so-fluffy towels? LtPowers 14:16, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

I suppose one could create a culture section in Understand for such things (similar to the literature and movie sections on the San Francisco page), but I feel like the Bugs Bunny and Weird Al references, while fun, don't really contribute to an understanding of Albuquerque, so working them in doesn't really seem worthwhile for the purposes of this guide. PerryPlanet Talk 15:42, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
Well I wouldn't want to make it too dry and encyclopedic, like "Albuquerque in popular culture" or something like that. But surely there's some way to work in something funny? =) LtPowers 18:43, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
Well sure, but I wouldn't want it to just be funny, I'd want it to be relevant in some way; something that actually has something to do with the place at hand and reveals something about it. (I actually thought about working in a reference to the AMC series "Breaking Bad" at one point, but I dropped the idea.) Does Bugs Bunny forgetting to turn left here say anything about Albuquerque? If so, what? Knowing that, how would you work it in the article? (I'm not trying to be facetious here, I'm honestly asking.) PerryPlanet Talk 19:46, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
Just some musings on my part, I guess. Trying to get some creative juices flowing, or inspire someone. =) Like my comment on Talk:Pretoria. =) LtPowers 09:25, 23 September 2010 (EDT)

Closed listings[edit]

This appears to be a temporary closure. I can't tell from the website whether or not it's reopening in the same location. Listing it here for now. Eco84 09:31, 28 November 2010 (EST)

  • Il Vicino Brewery, 4000 Vassar NE, +1 505 830-4629, [1]. M-Tu noon-5PM, W-F noon-7PM.  edit