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== Walking tour ==I think it would be great to incorporate a link to Parkhound www.parkhound.com.au which offer all Street Parking data for the CBD area. This will assist people who are travelling into the city looking for parking.
So, I'm really pretty unhappy with this walking tour stuff. Can we please break it down to the [[WikitravelTalk:attraction listings|attraction listings]] format? It might be useful to do an itinerary like [[An afternoon in Melbourne on foot]/Archive 1], or [[A walking tour of Melbourne's Central Business District]], but I don't think this belongs in the main article. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 10:00, 26 Dec 2003 (PST)
:I agree with the principle of what Evan said. A walking tour is really an itinerary. The only thing I'd change is the title -- something like [[Melbourne walking tours]], [[Walks in Melbourne]] or [[Melbourne on foot]]. Such an article could act as a container for several walking tours. [[User:Dhum Dhum|DhDh]] 11:03, 26 Dec 2003 (PST)==Article Division and Downsize==
:Actually, As per [[Walks in ...User:Hypatia|Hypatia]] might be suited for national parks 's observations of a year ago, it is - IMHO - time to start revising the main article, dividing and devolving the like tooMelbourne article into its various relevant districts... For a big city, eg. [[Walks it is amazing that it has survived so long in Kakadu National Park]]. And this makes me think of having articles like form (mind you, [[Treks in the HimalayaChicago]]seems to exhibit the same phenomenon)... . The '''See''' section of the main article, for example, has grown quite large and unwieldy - definitely time to identify the highlights of Melbourne's attractions, summarise them, and send the detail to the district pages. Being a native Sydneysider, I don't want to presume too much regarding the city's regions, so maybe several Melburnians can get the ball rolling? [[User:Dhum DhumPjamescowie|DhDhPaul James Cowie]] 1103:0710, 26 Dec 2003 13 Nov 2005 (PSTEST)
::So, I screwed up cos just ignored my better judgement and - Sydney-Melbourne rivalry notwithstanding (!) - I plunged in before reading [[Wikitravel:attraction listings|attraction listings]]'ve just included a proposed division of Melbourne into districts, as based on the official tourism web site's take on the matter... Then I read [[Wikitravel:attraction listings|attraction listings]] and came back and changed the page. Now I discover that I caused unhappiness. ILet'm really pretty sorry. Hopefully though s see if we can now start devolving some of the content from the main article is better now and people are only a bit unhappy with it, but I had better check it againout into the districts.... :-/ [[User:NurgPjamescowie|NurgPaul James Cowie]] 1904:4205, 26 Dec 2003 13 Nov 2005 (PSTEST)
::Nearly a year later... I've started to move some of the content out. Someone will need to keep an eye on things:Sorry to make it sound so harsh! Don't take "unhappy" the wrong way. My only unhappiness is s really hard to see good work that needs persuade people to get changed.district-ize things!
:::To tell you the truth, I really liked the walking tour, but Since I think it's best for travellers to have articles in consistent format. It's more painful when the work is good than when it's slapdash. Anywaysve just come back from there, I'd love feel inspired to see the walking tour turned into its own articlehelp with some district-izing. --[[User:EvanSlleong|EvanSlleong]] 2009:2844, 26 Dec 2003 31 March 2007 (PSTEDT)
If anyone wants to make this itinerary== External Wikis ==Hi, I run the place to find the original is wiki [[Userhttp:Nurg//www.melpedia.net Melpedia]]'s revision . Once the site is a bit more polished is their a possibility of 08:49, 26 Dec 2003. -- adding to the main article? Perhaps under a learn more area? [[User:Hypatia203.217.28.179|Hypatia203.217.28.179]] 0500:5006, 3 Nov 2004 13 February 2008 (EST)
==Rail/public transport linkWrong food showing ==
I have deleted "catch [http://www'm not a wiki user.railpageThe picture of chinese new year food used on this page is salmon yu sheng, which is a dish developed and used in Singapore.org.au/railmaps/melbourn.htm public transport]" because It's not a. the link isndish that't working and b. [http://www.victrip.com.au/ VicTrip] seems to be the main public transport site. [[User:202.154.157.115|202.154.157.115]] 21:10, 10 Jan 2004 s common elsewhere for chinese new year (ESTalthough this may change over time).
==Nepean Highway==I thought the Nepean Hwy went from Melbourne to [[Mornington Peninsula]] rather than [[Sydney]]am a Hong Kong Chinese that has family in Mainland China. This is not a common Chinese New Year salad. IsnChinese don't Princes Hwy the coastal hwy usually eat raw vegetables due to Sydney?a variety of different superstitions and traditions. Raw fish is also not consumed, but is much more common in Japan and other parts of south east Asia.
==That travel guide link==Hmmm.. I went In part, this can be tied to the belief that site, well cooked and it doesn't look all that bad. I know that I'd rather have its author contributing the actual info to Wikitravel, but what if I go to a bar because the link presented food is on Wikitravel, and then make a writeup about the barmore civilized & cultured. On the [[Geneva]] page we've left a well meaning but very poorly designed page Much in the links for some time just in case there's something useful in there (also cause I wanted same way that chopsticks are preferred over knives and forks at the guy to think about contributingdinner table.) -- [[User:Mark|Mark]] 17:00, 17 Mar 2004 (EST)
:Well, according to [[Wikitravel:external links]], we normally just link to primary sources -- official Web sites for destinations, attractions, restaurants, bars, etc.== Not relevant ==
:Wikitravel Hi. As a longtime Melbourne resident, I don't believe the below 'advertisement' is not a Web directory necessary or link farmuseful and have cut it. It's Also, Grey St is a travel guide. well known street for prostitutes and Idon't think it'm not convinced theres in wikitravel's a good reason best interests to link to another travel guide from oursdirect people there. Thanks --[[User:EvanMarinaK|EvanMarinaK]] 1817:3016, 17 Mar 2004 15 July 2008 (ESTEDT)MarinaK.
==Huge The cheapest car rentals are from places like Rentabomb [http://www.rentabomb.com.au/ ] but use may be restricted to the Melbourne metropolitan area. Rentacar in St Kilda, 11 Grey Street. St Kilda offers fantastically cheap rates in a family run environment. Rob the owner offers a great insight into Melbourne life and will happily offer great advice on where to go in the city==, but ignore his unusual gambling strategies. Rob has a few cars scattered around his office sometimes with a brick on the back seat, but his rates reflect this. Far cheaper than rentabomb and he will also let you buy any of his cars for a decent price. But do think about petrol prices as many cars such as 4.0 litre ford falcon really do drink petrol, causing you to constantly watch the needle looking for the next petrol station.
I've listed Melbourne as [[Wikitravel:Articles needing attention|needing attention]] because it looks like it's ready to be split into districts. There's already a bunch of sections that are beginning to get == Sleep listings in district headings: See and Sleep have sort of unofficially been split into districts by their headings. However, I don't know Melbourne well enough to do a split which is: sensible, not too fine-grained (say, 4-8 districts, rather than 30); and comprehensive. -- [[User:Hypatia|Hypatia]] 22:45, 28 Nov 2004 (EST)articles ==
== My Travels ==Hi. I moved the two sleep listings in the Melbourne overview article to the relevant district articles as the Melbourne article is more of a overview.--[[User:MarinaK|MarinaK]] 21:07, 15 July 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.
Hi folks,== Indian food section ==
I"The standard of Indian food is vastly inferior to Britain'd like to offer words s numerous curry houses. The meat is often off cuts and pictures from [http://wwwserved on the bone.anchovyYou can also eat beef curry in many places.durgeThe curry houses are very dated and appear to be left behind in comparison with most trendy Melbourne eateries.org/holiday/Oz/30-7.live a few days' travels around " was removed by me for the following reasons:Indian food in Melbourne] should be compared to WikitravelIndian food in India, not Britain. If thereMeat is often 'off cuts and served on the bone's anything good in there (or in anything else IIndia. This does not make it 'vastly inferior've put on my site) that fills a hole in Wikitravel, grab itbut rather uses cuts of meat appropriate to the style of cooking.The decor is often not 'trendy', or give me a shout and but Idon'll rustle something upt believe this is a useful generalisation for the traveller. You Specific reviews can use all of my [http://www.anchovy.durge.org/holiday/ Travel] stuff under mention the decor, if the WikiTravel Creative Commons licencereviewer feels it important. --[[User:Iain|Iain]] 13:16, 2 Mar 2005 (EST)
"While there Perhaps a more qualified person could comment on the styles of Indian food available in Melbourne. I believe it is some reasonable food more North Indian/Punjabi, but comment from an Indian who has been to Melbourne would be beneficial.[[User:202.131.123.66|202.131.123.66]] 15:20, 9 August 2008 (EDT)Rohan (Melbournian in India) == Drink == The 2 am lock out has been abolished, please edit the article accordingly. : Its a wiki. Feel free to click the edit button, and enter the best information on Chapel Stthe subject that you have. If you need any assistnace, please feel free to ask --[[User:Inas|Inas]] 17:10, 28 October 2008 (EDT) == Useable == Ok I am looking through all these districts-and with the exception of 3-4 of 'em, they're all useable, South Yarrabut yet, travellers who you guys are keepin' it as a outline status. This is not into pretentious phallic symbolism good. No it ain't no guide or anything, and some of them barely have useable status and some you may wish want to avoid the place while the local automotive parade add information but still. It is taking place on Friday filled pretty ok, and Saturday nights there are some good listings, just, most of them are a far way from guide. Thanks.Keepsmiling, [[User:Edmontonenthusiast|Edmontonenthusiast]] 19:14, 3 November 2008 (EST). == Nightlife / Drink == I have to say, after checking this article for a couple of times, it gets me upset every time. Especially the Nightlife section is useless. What's the point of writing in that there are more genuine phallic cars hidden bars everywhere when you dont put up a bar to start off from or even better a couple of 'em.except for that it's really not that hard in melbourne, try a city like berlin that's way harder and there's still describtions of bars and clubs in there. seriously people, put a little bit of effort into this one. cheers--[[User:114.78.166.146|114.78.166.146]] 22:17, 30 June 2010 (EDT) :When you see room for improvement, don't just say something, please [[Wikitravel:Plunge forward]] and improve it yourself! --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 12:25, 2 July 2010 (EDT) == Districts == Melbourne is most certainly a huge city, so I will attempt to divide the city into proper districts, moving information to its respective district. There appears to have been some kind of effort already, but it could be improved on. The following is what I propose:* Central* Parkville/Carlton* St Kilda* South Yarra/Prahran/Toorak* Inner east (Fitzroy, Richmond, Collingwood, etc)* South Melbourne (Albert Park, etc)* Flemington (Ascot Vale, Kensington, etc) Then, we move onto the suburbs:* East (Kew, Doncaster, Box Hill, Ringwood, etc)* North (Brunswick, Preston, Coburg, Tullamarine, etc)* West (Williamstown , Yarraville, Sunshine, Werribee, Melton, etc)* South-east (Brighton, Chadstone, Narre Warren, Cranbourne, Frankston, etc) It is possible we could include these 2 districts within Melbourne:* Mornington Peninsula (anything south of Frankston)* The Dandenongs (anything east of Rowville) So, it's only off the top of my head, but it's a basis. Any thoughts? If no one has anything to say, I might just plunge forward and do it myself. <big>[[User:JamesA|<font face="Segoe UI"><font color="#4682b4"><big>J</big>ames'''<small>A</small>'''</font></font>]]</big> <sup>[[User talk:JamesA|<font face="Segoe UI"><font color="#191970">'''>talk'''</font></font>]]</sup> 05:18, 13 May 2012 (EDT) : I'd put a notice on the page saying districting is in progress, and give it a Sunday afternooncouple of weeks, as some people may not visit that regularly. After than, I'd say [[pf|go ahead]]. --[[User:Inas|Inas]] 20:49, 13 May 2012 (EDT::Thanks for the tip. I've added the notice, and we'll see if anyone else wishes to contribute. My mapmaking skills are a disaster, so hopefully someone knows how to make a decent map around here. <big>[[User:JamesA|<font face="Segoe UI"><font color="#4682b4"><big>J</big>ames'''<small>A</small>'''</font></font>]]</big> <sup>[[User talk:JamesA|<font face="Segoe UI"><font color="#191970">'''>talk'''</font></font>]]</sup> 04:18, 14 May 2012 (EDT) *Looks good JamesA - my suggestions are:**don't make the Mornington a subset of Melbourne. It should be a subdistrict of Victoria as it is a destination in its own right. The clothes here Dandenongs are overpricedarguable either way, so I'm not fussed.**I question whether Flemington needs its own article.**Does South Bank need its own article, separate to the city? It has enough destinations in its own right and is distinguishable even from "South Melbourne"**"Parkville/Carlton" might be better named "Inner North". [[User:JRG|JRG]] 09:13, 12 June 2012 (EDT) ::Thanks for the comments, JRG. Great to have some feedback! I'd agree with Flemington not requiring its own article, but where does it belong? West Suburbs, North Suburbs, Inner north, Central? And Inner North is a much better name, and then we can chuck in North Melbourne. The Toorak area also needs its own name. I'm tempted to say "Wealthy inner suburbs", but that would be biased. :P Possibly "Stonnington", and expand it to include Malvern?Whilst ::I concede was a little unsure of the Mornington Peninsula. Official sources say that this particular quote coastal region down from Frankston to Portsea is both hilariously worded part of the metropolitan area. But I wouldn't include places on the other side like Flinders and absolutely trueHastings in Melbourne. A region of Victoria would probably be best. ::As for Southbank, I donfeel that putting it on its own may not get it enough info. I know locally, it's regarded as a world of its own. But going by the [[Melbourne/Central]] article, there's not too much to say about Southbank. I guess if we listed many of the restaurants on the waterfront, got some shops from Crown and added attractions like the river tours and Eureka Skydeck, it could all add up. I'm happy to let it have its own district, and if it doesn't think work, it can be merged later.::One last thing: should the large Suburbs articles be further divided into suburbs/councils? Eastern Suburbs is appropriate going to add up to be one huge article that isn't much use to the traveller, when it's talking about places that are dozens of kilometres apart. I think dividing them into their councils and moving articles like [[Melbourne/Werribee]] to [[Melbourne/Wyndham]] (including other places like the RAAF base at Point Cook) would work better. Okay, that's all I have to say. :) <big>[[User:JamesA|<font face="Segoe UI"><font color="#4682b4"><big>J</big>ames'''<small>A</small>'''</font></font>]]</big> <sup>[[User talk:JamesA|<font face="Segoe UI"><font color="#191970">'''>talk'''</font></font>]]</sup> 09:57, 12 June 2012 (EDT) :::Something super easy would be to define the inner city into local government areas, following this map here: http://chartingtransport.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/melbourne-lga-regions1.png So you'd have::::*Melbourne:::*Yarra:::*Port Phillip:::for the 'centre section':::then Darebin, Stonnington, Moreland, etc. for this pagethe inner suburbs, and then a few more broader articles to cover the suburbs further out.:::To be honest, I think we should have Melbourne, Yarra, and Port Phillip, and then group the other LGAs, because I don't think many tourists are going to find that much in Ascot Vale or Reservoir. [[Special:Contributions/60.240.136.168|60.240.136.168]] 05:34, 2 July 2014 (EDT)
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