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And maps again
:I was just thinking of moving the section and decided to look here first. As Dachau is a ca. half day trip out of Munich (S-Bahn + bus), I think it fits better in the Get out section. As the same time, people might miss that when skimming the main article. Is it allowable to have a shorter statement about Dachau in the See:Museums sections and say "see Get out section below". Then move detailed info could be given there (such as history, and how to get there from central Munich). -- [[User:Brendio|Brendio]] 11:10, 22 Jan 2006 (EST)
 
My impression is that this belongs exclusively in the 'Get Out' and certainly doesn't merit it's present double inclusion (See and Tours) on theís page! (Not to mention that it's one of the dreariest attractions I've ever seen..) [[User:Jimbomu|Jimbomu]] 15:56, 29 Jan 2009 (CET)
: This is not an tourist attraction, but one of many memorials to the crimes committed in Nazi Germany. Unfortunately, I had to witness international visitors behaving as if it is sort of a Disneyland (posing for pictures on the beds in the barracks etc.). No matter where it is listed, maybe a comment on appropriate behavior would be useful.
==Budget Hotels==
:::There are certaining budget hotels in Munich. They just might not be as ''cheap'' as elsewhere. Okay, I will go ahead and add a couple. — [[User:Brendio|Brendio]] 13:00, 4 Feb 2006 (EST)
 
there are definitly enough hostel type accomodations in Munich [[User:84.57.120.254|84.57.120.254]]
== Stay Safe ==
: Thanx for correcting this! --[[User:Flip666|Flip666]] 09:53, 7 April 2006 (EDT)
::No problem. I think I added that in a sleep deprived state and it really didn't make any sense. Although, I did witness several crazy incidents like that while living in Munich. My friends explained to me these incidents were a result of the changes in the climate. It was more of a myth, which really doesn't have a place in a serious part of a guide. [[User:Sapphire|Sapphire]] 09:58, 7 April 2006 (EDT)
 
 
The "Stay safe" section is pretty vague, isn't it? I read for instance: "Streets are pretty much safe, but with less forewarning than other European cities. If you start to feel uncomfortable, you will be VERY uncomfortable just a few moments later. Though residents are generally tolerant of foreigners, they make it well known when you shouldn't be somewhere. While you may still be safe, you should leave, and quickly. If you go to bars, the scene can change rapidly and (to non-Germans) unpredictably, so caution is advised. Subways run all hours, make sure you know your station between 22:00 and 5:00."
 
What does all this mean? I've been to places known to be pretty much more "unsafe" than Munich and I never met anyone telling me a part of the city is for residents only. Neither have I been to a safe bar or pub with sudden "change of scene" to unsafe.
 
Please consider doing something about this section, or at least describe a bit more so it becomes understandable. Thank you.
== Bavarian/Munich Beer ==
I have yet to visit this attraction but have heard only similar reviews from several fellow Munich inhabitants.. jimbomu
 
Just look at the construction price cant be to much - yes sea life are some fishes to walk through thats it, its not worth the money in my eyes. ~~
== Cabaret? ==
: This is definetly not how Münchner treat their guests. I am from Munich and I would like to help you! So please contact me privatly (click on [[User_talk:Flip666|this]], then on the left sidebar on "E-mail this user"). I am sure we can claryfy this issue! --[[User:Flip666|Flip666]] [[User_talk:Flip666|<sup>writeme!</sup>]] &bull; 17:41, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
: PS: I wrote an email to [email protected] to tell them ybout your concerns.
 
:: I have recieved a long, nice and logical-sounding email from the owners, explaining their view of the incidents. Unfortunatly Mr. Lee did not react so far. If he does not, I will remove this entry, because I think that at least both partys are blamable for this incident and so this entry is more or less a "revenge" of Mr. Lee. I can guarantee that this is a single case among many happy Chinese people visiting Munich. And from the letter I recieved from the Hubmanns I believe it is a single case in their house, too. --[[User:Flip666|Flip666]] [[User_talk:Flip666|<sup>writeme!</sup>]] &bull; 10:13, 9 September 2007 (EDT)
 
 
 
2007 so remove it [[User:84.56.69.198|84.56.69.198]]
 
=== get out section ===
 
Ill remove Prague, thats definitly to far away for a Munich get out section. Just think about how much else should be added if such a distance is ok Vienna, Bern, Stuttgart, Bratislava, Frankfurt, Venice, Milano...... just to name the bigger cities.
 
 
What are the criteria to add Salzburg and Nueremburg but not Regensburg Augsburg Landshut Ingolstadt ? [[User:84.57.103.43|84.57.103.43]]
 
:I guess the reason is that those places are less know. Why don't you add them. Especially Regensburg and Ausburg are treasures and can be reached quickly by car or train from Munich.
 
==Maps==
 
Wow guys, great article here, good work on this. It does lack some good maps though. I'm pretty familiar with the area, I think I'll give it a crack in the next few days (at least starting with city center). Just wanted to leave a note to see if anyone else was also working on this. [[User:Hokiesvt|hokiesvt]] 12:30, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
 
:Nice map of the city center! This is indeed a nice guide to Munich. I would like to see it become a destination of the month, but there's one big thing holding that up: district articles lack "get in" information. This is one of the most basic requirements for articles, and I've actually downgraded the otherwise excellent [[Munich/City Center]] article to ''[[Wikitravel:City guide status|outline]]'' for lack of "get in" info. I know ''nothing'' about Munich, so I won't attempt to correct this myself, but if someone knowledgeable were to do so, this could easily [[Wikitravel:Destination of the month|get featured]] on the Main Page. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 02:07, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
 
:: Hey! I noticed that the Munich articles and (besides Munich/City center) lack maps. In the next few days I would go forward and draw a city region map and some Munich district maps. However, there should be a decision on how to segment the city first, as the official districts don't necessarily make any sense for a visitor (or a local for that matter). To separate the historic center (area within the Altstadtring) is good as it is. To combine Schwabing, Maxvorstadt and Englischer Garten within Schwabing in my oppinion is ok as well, as most people (locals as well as visitors) are refering to the whole area as Schwabing anyway. A seperate article for the Olympic area/Olympiagelände is ok too I guess. But where to go from there? In my oppinion the following partition would make sense from a travellers perspective:
::*City Center
::*Schwabing (Maxvorstadt, Schwabing-West, Schwabing part of Schwabing-Freimann & Englischer Garten)
::*Olympic area (Am Riesenfeld & Milbertshofen, eastern part of Altmoosach, Schwere-Reiter-Straße, Oberwiesenfeld)
::*Neuhausen-Nymphenburg
::*City south (Ludwigsvorstadt-Isarvorstadt, Schwanthalerhöhe & Lehel)
::*Haidhausen & Giesing (Au-Haidhausen, Obergiesing, Untergiesing-Harlaching)
::*South-West (Sendling, Sendling-Westpark, Thalkirchen-Obersendling-Forstenried-Fürstenried-Solln, Harras, Laim)
::*West (Pasing-Obermenzing, Allach-Untermenzing, Aubing-Lochhausen-Langwied)
::*North (Feldmoching-Hasenbergl, Moosach, Milbertshofen-Am Hart, Freimann part of Schwabing-Freimann)
::*East (Bogenhausen, Berg am Laim, Trudering-Riem, Ramersdorf-Perlach
::*maybe: own article for Munich airport??? (i will include it in the map)
::If there are no objections I would start to draw the maps in the next days. Please let me know.
::--[[User:Tbp386|Tbp386]] 16:29, 10 December 2012 (EST)
 
:::Great idea! Thank you very much for offering to draw the maps! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 14:43, 14 December 2012 (EST)
 
::::I uploaded a map I just drew to wikitravel/shared. I tried to include all of the points discussed above. I know the map still has some flaws (especially in higher resolution) but it is probably a good enough point to start from and in any case better then nothing. Could somebody please look at it and give something like an ok (and maybe look for typos,too), then I would plunge forward and add it to the Munich page. (http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Map_of_Munich.png)
::::[[User:Tbp386|Tbp386]] 19:07, 7 January 2013 (EST)
 
== Wrong line listed? ==
 
Andechs Monastery— If you miss the Oktoberfest, it is worth travelling to the holy mountain of Andechs. It's a monastery up a hill from the Ammersee. Take the S8 from Munich to Herrsching and then either hike up the hill or take the bus.
 
I was doing some research for my upcoming trip - they are listing the S8 but this source:
http://www.toytowngermany.com/munich/munich_ubahn_plan.jpg (an ubahn map) shows it is the S5.
 
Which is correct?[[User:Logan9a|Logan9a]] 01:30, 11 January 2011 (EST)
 
== Donisl ==
 
"If you want to get to know the real Munich then don't miss to visit the Donisl which is on the Marienplatz. It's not as famous as the Hofbräuhaus but it's a real insider tip."
 
Went there last week when I was visiting Munich, and I cannot agree. It is indeed centrally located, has cheap prices and the service is fast even at the busiest dinner time but the food didn't really live up to the expectations. The food had probably been waiting for us all the day and was quickly heated in a microwave, my ''Krustenschweinsbraten'' seemed to be made out of leftovers and one of us got a used napkin. I've been to Germany tens of times and the food has always been excellent everywhere - this is something one could expect in those destinations where the menus are written in twenty languages...
 
[[User:Ypsilon|Ypsilon]] 10:18, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
 
Donisl is known in Munich as a tourist trap. The insider tip would be not to go there!
 
== Munich West ==
It would be helpful to find at this place also some information about the airport in Memmingen which is marketed by Ryanair as Muncih west. Also I would be happy to find some information about the transferbuses from Memmingen airport to Munich.
Thx
-[[User:88.67.193.35|88.67.193.35]] 10:37, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
:have a look at http://www.allgaeu-airport.de/ in the meantime, which has most necessary information (though scattered…).
 
 
==Public Transportation Map==
The Munich public transportation map in this article is outdated. The S-Bahn lines have been renumbered and changed. If someone refers to this map, he or she is likely to end up at a completely wrong destination. Hence, I'd recommend to remove it.
 
The latest maps are available on http://www.mvv-muenchen.de/ and I tried to upload them. However, someone obviously believed that there are copyright issues (not sure how there can be copyright issues with plans which are hanging everywhere throughout Munich and are distributed for free in hardcopy form, especially since the old plan issued by the same city-owned entity was posted, but I won't argue with that). [[User:AlexE|AlexE]] 06:47, 27 November 2011 (EST)
 
== And maps again ==
 
Hey! I noticed that the Munich articles and (besides Munich/City center) lack maps. In the next few days I would go forward and draw a city region map and some Munich district maps. However, there should be a decision on how to segment the city first, as the official districts don't necessarily make any sense for a visitor (or a local for that matter). To separate the historic center (area within the Altstadtring) is good as it is. To combine Schwabing, Maxvorstadt and Englischer Garten within Schwabing in my oppinion is ok as well, as most people (locals as well as visitors) are refering to the whole area as Schwabing anyway. A seperate article for the Olympic area/Olympiagelände is ok too I guess. But where to go from there? In my oppinion the following partition would make sense from a travellers perspective:
 
:*map of the entire city with districts
:*City Center
:*Schwabing (Maxvorstadt, Schwabing-West, Schwabing part of Schwabing-Freimann & Englischer Garten)
:*Olympic area (Am Riesenfeld & Milbertshofen, eastern part of Altmoosach, Schwere-Reiter-Straße, Oberwiesenfeld)
:*Neuhausen-Nymphenburg
:*City south (Ludwigsvorstadt-Isarvorstadt, Schwanthalerhöhe & Lehel)
:*Haidhausen & Giesing (Au-Haidhausen, Obergiesing, Untergiesing-Harlaching)
:*South-West (Sendling, Sendling-Westpark, Thalkirchen-Obersendling-Forstenried-Fürstenried-Solln, Harras, Laim)
:*West (Pasing-Obermenzing, Allach-Untermenzing, Aubing-Lochhausen-Langwied)
:*North (Feldmoching-Hasenbergl, Moosach, Milbertshofen-Am Hart, Freimann part of Schwabing-Freimann)
:*East (Bogenhausen, Berg am Laim, Trudering-Riem, Ramersdorf-Perlach
:*maybe: own article for Munich airport??? (I will include it in the Munich map)
 
If there are no objections I would start to draw the maps in the next days. Please let me know.
 
[[User:Tbp386|Tbp386]] 10:41, 14 December 2012 (EST)
 
I think this would be a very valuable addition to the Munich article as well as the articles for Munich districts. The split you suggested is generally OK except for Lehel being added to City South. IMHO it should be combined with Altstadt in the city center article. I also would consider splitting Maxvorstadt from Schwabing: Firstly, I strongly disagree that Munich residents refer to Maxvorstadt as Schwabing. Secondly, Maxvorstadt and Schwabing both have high numbers of points of interest for tourists and visitors, e.g. Maxvorstadt has the university districts (TUM and LMU) and the huge museum district and has generally a more student culture feel to it whereas Schwabing is more of a Bohème area. I think it would be worth to keep these areas apart rather than cramping all of it into a single article. I'd rather combine some of the outskirts like West and South-West since these are mainly reseidential areas with only a handful of attractions and few visitors will explore them. --[[User:AlexE|AlexE]] 16:21, 6 January 2013 (EST)
 
: I agree on the Lehel matter and on the separation of Maxvorstadt and Schwabing (it was a hassle to deal with the combination of those two anyway - I just kept it because it was already set up like that). But what to do with Englischer Garten then? I would prefer not to split it up but to add it to Schwabing in its entirety (although the southern part is adjacent to Maxvorstadt and actually is part of Lehel). Splitting up Englischer Garten makes no sense from a travellers point of view in my oppinion. Also, I would suggest to subsume under "Haidhausen" everything that is located south of 'Prinzregentenstraße' and west of 'Ampfing-/Melusinen-/Claudius-Keller-/Werinherstraße' (i.e. Au-Haidhausen, Untergießing, parts of Obergiesing, parts of Ramersdorf, parts of Berg am Laim) for simplicity, and all the rest that is located on the right side of Isar under "East" - any thoughts on that?
 
:: Why not treat Englischer Garten in detail in the Schwabing section and add cross references to the district articles for Maxvorstadt and Altstadt/Lehel? Good idea about combining Au-Haidhausen, Untergießing, parts of Obergiesing, parts of Ramersdorf, parts of Berg am Laim! [[User:AlexE|AlexE]] 12:11, 7 January 2013 (EST)
 
:::I uploaded a map I just drew to wikitravel/shared. I tried to include all of the points discussed above. I know the map still has some flaws (especially in higher resolution) but it is probably a good enough point to start from and in any case better then nothing. Could somebody please look at it and give something like an ok (and maybe look for typos,too), then I would plunge forward and add it to the Munich page. (http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Map_of_Munich.png)
:::And forgot to sign... [[User:Tbp386|Tbp386]] 19:08, 7 January 2013 (EST)
::::I'm not an expert on Munich but from technical standpoint the map looks OK. Thank you! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 19:54, 7 January 2013 (EST)
:::::Looks good fro the point of view of a Munich resident. Please add it to the article. Next steps would be probably to re-write the district section - happy to help with this. [[User:AlexE|AlexE]] 17:16, 8 January 2013 (EST)
::::::Fine. So I'll go forward and add the map to the main article. Then I'll try to separate the Schwabing-Maxvorstadt-Englischer Garten article. [[User:Tbp386|Tbp386]] 07:12, 10 January 2013 (EST)
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