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==CIA Factbook Import==
For reference the [[Wikitravel:CIA World Factbook 2002 import]] is at [[Talk:Malaysia/CIA World Factbook 2002 import]].
There is a [[Malaria]] page, unless it got deleted. I noted it before and thought it should be discussed-- what do we do with health issues? They should be discussed, but in how much detail and in what format? Before I go any futher, I'll take this to the Malaria talk page... [[User:Maj|Majnoona]] 10:52, 29 Apr 2004 (EDT)
How about Malacca and Kota Bharu as Destination cities? I don't know what slogans to use for them, but I think they belong. Malacca, abode of history? Kota Bharu, gem of the Northeast?
This message was triggered off by what Jpatokal said in the [[Central (Malaysia)]] discussion page. I agree that decribing a region in Peninsular Malaysia as "Central" is odd. As a Malaysian, I have never heard of this being used. The usual references to regions in Malaysia are "East Coast" to cover Kelantan, Terengganu and Pahang and "West Coast" for Perlis, Kedah, Penang, Perak, Selangor, Negeri Sembilan, Malacca and even Johor. Johor of course has both a west and east coast, so it may not fit the "West Coast" classification so well. Can I rename and regroup the regions of Peninsular Malaysia into "West Coast" for Perlis down to Negeri Sembilan, "East Coast" for Kelantan, Terengganu and Pahang, and "South" for Malacca and Johor.[[User:Slleong|Slleong]] 10:06, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
Why is it not accepted that Kuala Kubu Bharu is a city? I looked up the definition of a city. KKB fits in perfectly. KKB is head district of Hulu Selangor, has a church, more than 2 chinese temples and a Mosque (please see cambridge definition of a city). Futhermore it is place of commerce, business and residence. The size is larger than a town because of facilities and infrastructure. Recently added train station, a bus station, schools, district councel (YDP is currently in office in KKB), hospital and of course market, residential zones, business and commercial centre and the rest. It also has an indipendent history, unique and not sub-dipendent on cities in the vicinity like KL. Please give me some reasons why this is not accepted... {{unsigned|}} : Of course it's a city, but you're not reading the page, which says "'''Only''' cities of '''primary importance to tourists''' here, '''maximum 9'''". We already have nine listed, and you'll have a hard time arguing that KKB is more important to tourists than (say) Malacca. The correct place to link in KKB is [[Selangor]] state, and it's already listed there. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 01:52, 12 December 2008 (EST) Thank you for the response. I got your point. I understand now that it needs to be top 9 (and that was my problem). I cannot argue over Malacca that’s for sure! But I can certainly argue over IPOH (or some of the other destinations!). KKB has just recently entered the tourism world. Not because there were no tourists coming to KKB a few years back but because of it being primarily a LOCAL tourism destination. The problem was transportation and geographical. It was not well connected to Kuala Lumpur and the only way (or almost the only way) to visit KKB was using your own car. Everything changed in 2008. The KTM opened to KKB and the influx of tourists grew exponentially. KKB has a huge tourist per capita ratio even without counting the new KTM line which draws in more FOREIGN tourism. KKB is one of the best rafting and hiking destinations worldwide. More than 3 rafting companies are operating here in the surroundings. Bukit Kutu trail has been recently upgraded and reopened. The construction of the dam (recently completed) and it’s tourist information center have drawn in a large number of visitors together with the newly formed aborigine village of Pertak. Traditionally KKB’s local tourists came for golf (18hole golf course) . The night markets which draws an amazing number of local (and now overseas) tourists. It is also a pass by point for Frasier’s Hills and Genting. Many tourists stop over KKB for the food, shopping (KKB is very reasonably priced) and nature walks. New accommodations have opened up in the town itself and a tourist information centre is in the making. There are many more recent developments which are putting KKB on the MAP.I argue that population per tourist ratio KKB is way ahead of IPOH although does lack behind Malaka which is a well establish tourist destination for local and foreign tourists or Johor Bharu which is very strong in tourist influx from Singapore (for shopping mainly). {{unsigned|}} : If it's a rafting and hiking destination, then maybe you can put it under "Other" — but why is there no rafting info on the KKB page? [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 04:47, 12 December 2008 (EST) Sorry but KKB seams to be one of the best kept secrets of malaysia!!!! I will update in the following month more information on KKB. For your refrence these are the rafting companies I mentioned: Pierose Swiftwater ( , Tracks ( and Khersonese Expedition ( All of which are rafting, trekking, outdoor adventure companies that operate on rivers going to the dam. But KKB is not only this. I will update the KKB page as soon as possible. But please I would like to understand why you see Ipoh as a more important tourist destination than KKB. I cannot find a good reason except for city size (which I don't think constitutes a reasonable criteria or else the number of tourists going to Kuantan or Kuala Terengganu would be much higher than Putrajaya but they are not on the list). : [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 06:56, 12 December 2008 (EST) Objections: 1) research engines do not only look for tourism related topics2) this does not show that one city is more important than another in a certain fieldConsensus: I do understand the point that the more a city is talked about the more it should be good for tourism. Obviously this also has to do with the population problem I was explaining earlier. Surely KKB has no entries for industry or medical research but most of the listings probably do have something to do with tourism while Ipoh being a much more “complex” city obviously has a much smaller percentage related to tourism. Another point is the population. Let’s take this counter example: you can clearly see Shenzhen is of ratio 1 to 8 with Guilin. Notice Shenzhen is not in the destination cities in China but Guilin is ( further analyize the matter, consider the population difference between the Malaysia and Chinese example:MalaysianPopulation 746.300 Ipoh google hits 3.780.000Population 5.000 Kuala Kubu Bharu google hits 212.000ChinesePopulation 4.000.000 shenzhen google hits 22.000.000Population 1.340.000 guilin google hits 2.710.000Simple, if you do the math and take into consideration population/google hits ratio without even considering my other argument than KKB Should be placed on destinations.  : [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 22:06, 12 December 2008 (EST) Hello, I am the "KKB GUY". Sorry for my lack of form. I just signed up and I have a new account. Sorry to see that you do not have any argumentation and can only send me links. Maybe Wikipedia should just rely on google as a form of ultimate knowledge and information. I have hence decided to delete Ipoh and substitute it with KKB. If you give me sufficient argumentation to support the contrary I will put KKB under others as has been suggested. {{unsigned|Lorenzoitaly}} : Thank you! Now we can have a civilized conversation. So, as should have been completely and totally obvious from the links above, Ipoh is a ''major'' tourism destination (100,000+ Google hits) while KKB is a very, very minor one (under 5000 hits, and most of those talk about Fraser's Hill). As you can see from [[Wikitravel:Country article template]], the Cities section is reserved for '''prominent''' cities, but KKB is, as you said, "Malaysia's best kept secret" because it's not prominent. : I've already offered a compromise: stick KKB under "Other destinations". Are you OK with this? [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 08:36, 13 December 2008 (EST) Very Well, I agree that not enough information on KKB has been put into the web (a true pity). Let's put it under "Other destinations" using the description I presented, but in 6 months time let's revise it if information on the web has increased or if I present further evidence (for instance KKB is applying for UNESCO as world heritage site) than you will try to reconsider. Do you agree? : Sure -- we work on [[Wikitravel:Consensus]] here. I think your description is quite boring though: a "garden city" sounds like a suburb, and isn't that Putrajaya's slogan anyway? [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 20:01, 13 December 2008 (EST) ==Region vfd discussions== === North (Malaysia) ===
===North (Malaysia)===
* Delete. Merged into the more commonly known [[West_Coast_(Malaysia)]] which extends from north to south.[[User:Slleong|Slleong]] 05:39, 9 March 2006 (EST)
* <strike>Keep & redirect to [[West_Coast_(Malaysia)]]</strike> Changed my mind - instead:
*** Is the edit history worth considering when thinking about how common usage of such a term might be? Neither [[North (Malaysia)]] nor [[Central (Malaysia)]] started out as disambiguations - the origins of both seem to be pretty much identical to [[North (India)]] except that instead of a single region being subdivided, the entire region was re-divided. [[User:|]] 05:55, 27 March 2006 (EST)
===Central (Malaysia)=== 
* Delete. Even more unheard of than the above, also merged contents into [[West_Coast_(Malaysia)]].[[User:Slleong|Slleong]] 05:39, 9 March 2006 (EST)
* <strike>Keep - was converted to a disambiguation yesterday</strike> Keep if keeping [[North (Malaysia)]] - otherwise delete. [[User:|]] 06:05, 27 March 2006 (EST)
** See comments above. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 20:00, 25 March 2006 (EST)
===People ===
I disagree with the revised population statistics.
Malay 50.8%, Chinese 23.8%, Indigenous 10.9%, Indian 7.1%, non-Malaysian citizens 6.8 %, others 0.6%.
[[User:Greenmango|Greenmango]] 01:34, 4 October 2006 (EDT)
== Stay safe ==
WARNING: Indonesians (they look like Malays) around Kuala Lumpur cheat tourists frequently by selling fake products (like Rolex, etc.). STAY AWAY FROM THESE CHEATERS. THEY WILL FOLLOW YOU. Also, be careful with taxi drivers because some charge an unusually high fees when it comes to foreigners.
that part is racist and not appropriate
==National Parks==
Can you list the 3 mouuntains taller than Gng Kinabalu/
[[User:Greenmango|Greenmango]] 21:23, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
== Taxi in Malaysia ==
In Kuala Lumpur, may I ask, is it possible to have five passengers in a taxi? Will they allow? The three passengers are 16 years old and below.
-In KL (as the locals call it), they'll let you stuff as many people as you want into a cab.
The limit is 4, and most taxi drivers are quite strict about that now. [[User:Greenmango|Greenmango]] 21:50, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
== about the "technically" part regarding to the criminality of homosexuality in Malaysia ==
When I mentioned that homosexuality is illegal due to strong influence of Islam in Malaysia, someone else placed the word "technically" in the comment which ends up being "homosexuality is technically illegal." I thought homosexuality IS illegal due to strong influence of Islam. Can anyone fully explain this? --[[User:Dark Paladin X|Dark Paladin X]] 19:32, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
: Things are "technically illegal" when they're illegal but the law is not enforced, which is usually the case in Malaysia. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 23:52, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
::Oh, so that's what you mean by technically illegal. At least it's good advice to gays and lesbians to avoid public displays of affections here.--[[User:Dark Paladin X|Dark Paladin X]] 09:48, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
== Regions, Cities and Other Destinations ==
After Peter completed his excellent map, I noticed that [[Labuan]] is being treated as a [[Malaysia#Regions|separate top level region]]. Frankly, that makes no sense whatsoever. It is ''tiny'' and insignificant for the traveller. The Federal Territories in Peninsular Malaysia are treated as part of [[West_Coast_%28Malaysia%29|West Coast]], and I strongly think therefore that Labuan should be treated as part of [[Sabah]]. --[[User:Burmesedays|Burmesedays]] 12:57, 1 January 2010 (EST)
:Also there are 10 cities listed. I suggest losing Putrajaya. And 21 other destinations!? Severe culling required. My suggested list of 9 is:
*Perhentian Islands
*Tioman Island
*Taman Negara National Park
*Kinabalu National Park
*Cameron Highlands
*Fraser's Hill
*Either Kubah National Park or Redang --[[User:Burmesedays|Burmesedays]] 13:08, 1 January 2010 (EST)
::Ah, I wish that I had seen this earlier&mdash;it would have made the map ''much'' easier to tackle! I'll defer to others re: cities & od lists, but I definitely agree that Labuan would be better off lumped in with Sabah. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 13:14, 1 January 2010 (EST)
::: I could see you had struggled a bit with all those place labels which is why I checked the OD list!--[[User:Burmesedays|Burmesedays]] 01:57, 3 January 2010 (EST)
:::: Two weeks and no interest in this, so I will go ahead with my proposals. --[[User:Burmesedays|Burmesedays]] 08:03, 13 January 2010 (EST)
I think we should get rid of "Peninsular Malaysia" and "East Malaysia" as we already use the levels below them as top-level regions. --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 11:04, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
: On the face of it, I would tend to disagree, as those designations are so standard and geography-based in Malaysia. Why can't they coexist with the various states as top-level regions? [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] 06:23, 18 July 2010 (EDT)
::Because now we have two top-level regions at the same time. I did not mean to get rid of the wording of "Peninsular Malaysia" and "East Malaysia", just to get rid of them boasting an article of their own. I mean it a bit like this:
* [[West Coast (Malaysia)|West Coast]]
* [[East Coast (Malaysia)|East Coast]]
* [[Johor|South]]
* [[Sabah]]
* [[Sarawak]]
--[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 08:02, 18 July 2010 (EDT)
: Got it. No objection.
: One aside: I wonder about "South" as a designation, though. I know that Johor has both west and east coasts, but the east coast is the least developed part of Johor, still, isn't it? I would classify Johor as a West Coast state. But I don't have a strong opinion about that. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] 08:34, 18 July 2010 (EDT)
::I think Johor has been placed as "South" or "South Coast", because its obviously touching both coasts. I'm fine with that the way it is now, otherwise it might create confusion. --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 16:30, 18 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I do agree that its a bit odd to have just Johor separately, as the Southern region also includes [[Melaka]] and some other areas. Grouping it with the West Coast I think is more logical. --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 15:32, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
::::We could also use the six regions [] of Malaysia. It'd avoid this huge West Coast region which has so much to do, and [[Malacca (state)]] would be in the Southern Region. --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 03:38, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::What this amounts to is dividing up the West Coast while ignoring the fact that Kelantan is also a "northern" state. I find it slightly strange but could understand the reason for it, pragmatically. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] 04:33, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::It's a tricky one this. The most interesting bits of Peninsular Malaysia for many travelers are in the North and on the East Coast. Johor is relatively uninspiring and makes sense as one travel region.
::::::Many travelers though would think of Kelantan, Perak, Kedah, Penang and Perlis in the same breath (as "the North"), and we have Kelantan in a different region.
::::::Pahang could probably stand alone as a travel region, or be grouped with Terengganu.
::::::Selangor, the Federal Territories (Wilayah Persekutuan) of KL, Putrajaya and any other ghastly forced towns that the govt is creating (I think there's one called "Cyberjaya"), NS and Melaka definitely belong together.
::::::I am wondering whether four regions along those lines would work - North, Pahang and Terengganu, West Coast and Johor (no need to call it the South - it's just Johor)? --[[User:Burmesedays|burmesedays]] 05:00, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Quick thought: Kelantan and Terengganu are culturally similar (and certainly more similar than Kelantan is with any other state), so I would tend to group them together, though it could also make sense to group Terengganu with Pahang - and, therefore, all three states together. In spite of good cross-country highways, I think the East Coast/West Coast dichotomy is still the most important one in the Peninsula, for cultural, demographic, and historical reasons. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] 10:06, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Yes I think the east-west distinction is certainly important. However, I think that Johor then could better be dealt with as a western state instead of a separate southern one. That would make a large western region though.. --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 04:50, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Indeed. One question I have is, if we divide up the West Coast into subregions, where does Negeri Sembilan belong: With Selangor or with Melaka? I'm not sure; it is in some ways sui generis, in that it is so heavily Minangkabau and has a unique history, as exemplified by its name (Negeri Sembilan = Nine States, the number of different kingdoms that unified into one but still have real distinctions as different districts [daerah]).
:::::::::One clue to where it should be placed may be to consider some of the history, as retold in [Wikipedia:Negeri Sembilan], which might indicate the state should be grouped with Melaka and Johor:
:::::::::"The Minangkabaus from Sumatra settled in Negeri Sembilan in the 15th century under the protection of the Malacca Sultanate, and later under the protection of its successor, the Sultanate of Johor." [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] 00:03, 15 September 2011 (EDT)
== Passport reader ==
In the old immigration/customs building for those exiting Singapore and entering Malaysia, there is the option for holders of Malaysian passports to use a passport machine instead of going through a counter manned by staff. Does anyone know what info is read by the machine? Does it read visa stamps? [[User:|]] 09:28, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
== Get In ==
I wish to add a reminder note for people regarding the newly introduced finger printing at malaysian entry points. This will serve to plan their schedules especially when having onward connecting itineraries.
But I'm not sure if all of the checkpoints have the finger printing. Fellow travellers, please advise.

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