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Talk:Britain and Ireland

1,056 bytes added, 17:30, 17 August 2009
Rewrite of Lead
::::Thanks for the input, I think we're there. Fair point about not highlighting an edit war. Yes they're an archipelago but that's not the same as a chain of islands. I've tweaked the crown dependencies bit as the whole technical point was that they're not part of the UK but are a posession of the British Crown. Confusing, I know. LtPowers - the name "Britain" is indeed a common name for the country properly known as the UK (to the point that in the 1960s the prime minister was considering changing the official name), and in this context of not overly highlighting the problem I think Peter's description works very well. [[User:Andyfarrell|Andyfarrell]] 03:30, 17 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::But our article is at [[United Kingdom]], not [[Britain]]. Check out [ Wiktionary's definition] of Britain -- the first meaning is the island, and the other meanings are specifically called out as "loose". Calling "Britain" a country strikes me as potentially misleading. Would anyone really consider Northern Ireland to be part of "Britain"? [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 11:07, 17 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yes they would. Absolutely. Stemming from the fact that we're "British", and the whole Northern Ireland issue stems from whether they are regarded as "British" or "Irish". So the corresponding country names, in the common usage, are Britain and Ireland. Most residents will know that it's technically called the United Kingdom but they'll say Britain at least as often as United Kingdom simply because it's quicker and easier to say the two-syllable name. For the same reason, "UK" is common. Wiktionary may list the definition as "loose" (and they're right in the sense that it's used that way even if not fully technically correct) but it's still one of the uses they list as correct. "Britain" is a completely acceptable term for the UK, and particularly one which travellers will understand. I'm somewhat worried that we're having this discussion at all; if I didn't grasp this stuff about a place I'd be very hesitant to be taking a position on how it was featured in a travel guide! [[User:Andyfarrell|Andyfarrell]] 13:26, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

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