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[[Image:The Queens Arms pub Charlotte Street Birmingham 2005-10-14.jpg|thumb|The Travellers' pub - your watering hole on Wikitravel]]
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[[Image:The Queens Arms pub Charlotte Street Birmingham 2005-10-14.jpg|thumb|The Travellers' pub—your watering hole on Wikitravel]]
  
 
The '''Travellers' pub''' is where Wikitravellers of all languages get to together to talk about Wikitravel, and where you can ask for help if you're confused, lost, afraid, tired or annoyed by Wikitravel. Please check the [[Wikitravel Shared:FAQ|FAQ]] and [[Wikitravel Shared:Help|Help]] page before asking a question, though, since that may save your time and others'.
 
The '''Travellers' pub''' is where Wikitravellers of all languages get to together to talk about Wikitravel, and where you can ask for help if you're confused, lost, afraid, tired or annoyed by Wikitravel. Please check the [[Wikitravel Shared:FAQ|FAQ]] and [[Wikitravel Shared:Help|Help]] page before asking a question, though, since that may save your time and others'.
  
If you have question '''about travel''', not the website, try the '''[http://extra.wikitravel.org/forum Wikitravel Extra Forum]'''.
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If you have question '''about travel''', not the website, try the Travellers' pubs in your language edition of Wikitravel.
  
 
If you are having a problem that you think has to do with the [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ Mediawiki software], please post that on the [[Wikitravel Shared:technical requests|technical requests]] page instead.
 
If you are having a problem that you think has to do with the [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ Mediawiki software], please post that on the [[Wikitravel Shared:technical requests|technical requests]] page instead.
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==Renaming a file name and caption==
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== Gozo ==
I have uploaded a file, and accidentally it had the wrong name and caption (should be Underground, instead of Underwater). I have been going crazing trying to find out how it's possible to rename the name and the caption. I follow help link to help link and so far nothing.
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After reading the help info, what is was able to find out is that only admin, file movers, and a few other groups can do it.
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Since I don't have that op right, I wasn't able to find out: who should I contact in order to request that file and caption rename.
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Does anyone how to help me? And I think it would be helpful if that info is not more clear on help documentation.
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:Thank you for your post. I am an admin here and I would gladly help you. Please let me know how you would like to name the file and I will do it for you. Is that a file you are referring to [http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Princesa_Underwater_River.jpg]? The best way to ask for help on Wikitravel is simply to leave a message on the Travellers' Pub, just as you did. I've been checking Pub regularly and I'm doing my best to solve all the problems. You can also contact me on my [[Shared: User_talk:IBAlex| User Page]]. Thanks! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 12:35, 11 December 2012 (EST)
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:Yes, it's that image. Thanks, IBAlex.
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:That image I used in [http://wikitravel.org/Sabang|Sabang], the link must also be updated. I don't known if you can also do that, so the broken link has less lifetime. Since the place where I'm now, there isn't always power nor internet.
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::I managed to change only the caption from "Underwater" to "Underground" but I'm unable to change the name of the file. What you can do is to upload a new version of the file by clicking here [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/shared/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Princesa_Underwater_River.jpg&wpForReUpload=1].
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::The link is not broken because the name of the page you uploaded the picture on is [http://wikitravel.org/en/Sabang_%28Palawan%29 Sabang (Palawan)] and not just '''Sabang'''. I hope this helps. Cheers, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 17:22, 13 December 2012 (EST)
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:::Finally I arrive into a place where internet is fast enough to upload a new file. I uploaded [http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Princesa_Underground_River.jpg], and updated the link in [http://wikitravel.org/en/Sabang_%28Palawan%29 Sabang (Palawan)].
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:::So the [http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Princesa_Underwater_River.jpg] file is no longer needed, is there any possibility that you can delete it?
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::::Sure! I just deleted it. Cheers, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 11:06, 21 December 2012 (EST)
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==Right to vanish policy==
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I feel that we lack a right to vanish policy. The meatball version is to be found [http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RightToVanish here]. The Wikipedia version is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Courtesy_vanishing here]. Suggestion: import the current Wikipedia version. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 09:46, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
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:I agree.
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:Perhaps you could plunge forward and create one in your own User namespace and then give us the link so we can ratify it (or not) by consensus? --[[User:Alice|Alice]] 21:40, 18 November 2012 (EST)
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==:ja Thumbnail error?==
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It seems that we cannot display the shared image when we want to use them as thumbnail images. See [[:ja:クアラルンプール#列車で]]. I tried several times and it doesn't work, unfortunately. It happens so frequently these days.--[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 17:14, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
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:Thank you -- I have reported this to Tech.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 17:49, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
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::It still doesn't work (it seems that the system or database is very much unstable.). When I try to use the image, it often displays the error messages such as "サムネイルの作成中にエラーが発生しました:convert: unable to open image `/var/www/wikitravel/upload/shared/thumb/e/ec/Gondola_cable,_Langkawi,_Kedah,_Malaysia.JPG/160px-Gondola_cable,_Langkawi,_Kedah,_Malaysia.JPG': Permission denied @ blob.c/OpenBlob/2480.", instead ('''see also [[:ja:ランカウイ島#遊ぶ|here]]'''). 'Seems not always happens, but happens so frequently.
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::Anyway, I am very much in trouble for about a week and I think this is an urgent matter.--[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 12:55, 15 September 2012 (EDT)
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:::Edit: Of the two reports, the latter has fixed automatically and the display is now back to its normal. --[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 09:10, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
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== Finnish Wikitravel need some help ==
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Hey, we have a problem in Finnish Wikitravel. We have some IP user ([http://wikitravel.org/fi/Toiminnot:Muokkaukset/217.209.82.165] & [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Toiminnot:Muokkaukset/213.67.141.73]) making lot of trash by spamming articles from Finnish Wikipedia and Swedish Wikipedia via Google Translate... There are no active admins in Finnish version of Wikitravel. So, could someone come to help us and delete articles from these categories: [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Luokka:Roskaa] & [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Luokka:Poistettavat_artikkelit]. [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 12:56, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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:Is it all from that same IP?--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 13:25, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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::All from [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Toiminnot:Muokkaukset/217.209.82.165 IP 217.209.82.165] & [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Toiminnot:Muokkaukset/213.67.141.73 IP 213.67.141.73]. Same person. [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 13:44, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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:::We will block the IPs and revert the spam pages. Thanks for keeping an eye out! Have you considered being an admin for the Finnish site?--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 13:46, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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::::I am quite sporadic visitor and contributor in Finnish Wikitravel. So I think it would be not good idea to be admin for the Finnish project. But, thanks for cleaning ”our” project. :) [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 14:19, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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We have still almost 300 pages waiting for deletion in Finnish Wikitravel: [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Luokka:Poistettavat_artikkelit]. Almost all of those are made by the same IP... [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 09:13, 13 October 2012 (EDT)
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There is the same problem in [http://wikitravel.org/es/Especial:Contribuciones/217.209.82.165 Spanish], [http://wikitravel.org/hu/Speci%C3%A1lis:Szerkeszt%C5%91_k%C3%B6zrem%C5%B1k%C3%B6d%C3%A9sei/213.67.141.73 Hungarian] & [http://wikitravel.org/hu/Speci%C3%A1lis:Szerkeszt%C5%91_k%C3%B6zrem%C5%B1k%C3%B6d%C3%A9sei/217.209.82.165], [http://wikitravel.org/it/Speciale:Contributi/217.209.82.165 Italian], [http://wikitravel.org/pl/Specjalna:Wk%C5%82ad/217.209.82.165 Polish Wikitravel]... [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 11:58, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
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: Finnish and Spanish are done! - [[User:IBcash|IBcash]] 15:26, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
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::The same user is also vandalizing the [http://wikitravel.org/fr/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/213.67.141.73 French Wikitravel]. Could you also block him there please? <font color="#339989">–[[User:Sumone10154|'''<font color="#339989">sumone10154</font>''']]<sup>([[User talk:Sumone10154|<font color="#339989">talk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:39, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
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:::Done. Thank you.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 14:29, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
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==no noticeboard for admins/sysops?==
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As there seems to be no noticeboard for admins or sysops on WT/S, I will use this one.
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The following pages should be deleted as they are used for spam. --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] 11:18, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
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*[[How to get a six pack]]
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*[[User talk:Misterlin]]
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*[[User:Polosxuuzo]]
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*[[User:Poloxxcavy]]
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: Done! Thank you :) -- [[User:IBcash|IBcash]] 13:40, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
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== Travel news ==
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Hello! I would like to call to action all the administrators and contributors on WT.
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For a long time '''Wikitravel Travel news'''[http://wikitravel.org/en/Travel_news] have been outdated. It is time to change it and keep the Travel Alerts and Current and upcoming events up-to-date. To achieve that, '''I need your help'''. Who is willing to offer his/her help? Thank you! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 16:47, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
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== Can't find the link after signing in ==
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I searched for Surat (a city in Gujarat, India), and did some corrections on it without logging in - which means the page exists.
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Then when I created a login ID and searched for Surat page, it is nowhere to be found. Why is that so? I know the page exists!
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:Hello! Is that the page you are referring to? [http://wikitravel.org/shared/Category:Surat]. We have also the whole article on Wikitravel about Surat in case you would like to make some changes there. Please have look [http://wikitravel.org/en/Surat]. Let me know if it answers your questions. thank you! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 14:08, 12 November 2012 (EST)
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line 88 states "During the English occupation, the grain silos were modified into stores for water." The British were invited to the island of Malta to oust the French.  
  
== SCAM!! ==
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It can be found within Wikipedia 'Malta Protectorate' that:
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"In June 1802, 104 representatives from the Maltese towns and villages signed a declaration entitled La Dichiarazione dei Diritti degli abitanti delle Isole di Malta e Gozo (The Declaration of Rights of the inhabitants of the Islands of Malta and Gozo) by which they proclaimed George III to be their king, and that he had no right to surrender Malta to another power. By the Declaration they also proclaimed that Malta should be self-governing while under British protection"
  
We hired small motorbike in Vang Vieng, Laos from MR TEEP, for 40,000 Kip for the day. We rode to Kaeng Nyui waterfalls, which were 6 Km from town down a bumpy dirt road. We parked the bike next to the ticket kiosk, and when we returned about 30 minutes later, the woman in the kiosk pointed out that our front tyre was flat. She did not speak English, but by gestures offered to phone Mr Teep, which we were grateful for, as our mobiles did not work in Laos. Having spoken to MR TEEP she passed her phone to me, and he explained that he would contact the repair man, who would bring a replacement innertube out and that I would have to pay 50,000 Kip for it. I told him that I had examined the tyre and could see nothing wrong with it and it hopefully only needed pumping up. To which he said that if that was the case, then I would have to pay 2000 or 3000 Kip.
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Gozo was certainly not therefore ever under "English occupation" and it is my understanding that as recently as 1956 77% of a vote wanted Malta & Gozo to become part of the United Kingdom.
The repair man arrived a few minutes later with a sack with a pump and two different size inner tubes and a few tyre levers. He went to speak to the kiosk woman and so I undid his sack and took out the pump. He came across and protested and showed me the new inner tube. I asked how much, and he wrote 50,000 on his hand. I said "No" and attached the pump and pumped up the tyre. I disconnected the pump and listened for air coming out. It seemed OK. So I decided to ride back to the town and check the tyre again then, knowing that I would probably be able to get it pumped up there. I offered the repairman 3000, but he wanted 5000, which I paid him.
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:'''Editing''' You can freely edit the article on Malta. If something is incorrect, please delete or revise it. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:29, 29 August 2014 (EDT)
When we got back to town the tyre was OK, and we realised that the woman at the kiosk must have let the tyre down, so that the repairman could swap a perfectly OK tube for an extortionate charge!!! We used the bike for rest of the day, with no problems.
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Being in the middle of nowhere without a pump and not speaking the language, most people may well have paid up and been non-the-wiser.
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I also feel sure that MR TEEP must have been in on it! Otherwise he would have been  suspicious of the number of flat tyres being reported to him by the kiosk woman!!
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Don't hire from MR TEEP and more importantly do not park your bike near the ticket kiosk. Other people had taken their motorbikes nearer to the falls, where there is more parking.
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: I'm moving this information to [[:en:Vang Vieng]] discussion page because it will benefit the traveler better over there. Cheers! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 17:52, 7 January 2013 (EST)
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== Errors ==
  
== Edit did not save ==
 
  
I recently added a location to Galveston's Do section but when I reloaded the page it was gone.
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In updating Nakhon Ratchasima I was working on the Korat Hotel in the midrange hotels section.
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Going into the update section everything looks normal, but looking at the page after logout, it has become entangled with the splurge section and the hotel from there.
  
:If you are talking about the http://wikitravel.org/en/Galveston page on Wikitravel English, it seems that the edit you did with the Plesure Pier etc. is there, and seems fine to me? --[[User:OVK|OVK]] 08:48, 27 December 2012 (EST)
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Also, I was updating Mahasarakham and was inserting how to pronounce the place.
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It took the edit away from being reedited and made a mess of the section.
  
Lucy is not from the northern section of Ethiopia. Please check this fact.
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Apologies.................
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Please fix.
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Avemario.
  
Thank you.
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== Page protection and vandalism on RU WT ==
  
== Screwed up Ko Lanta ==
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Some pages on the RU Wikitravel need to be protected from abusive political vandalism and to prevent revision wars. I think Wiki is not a place for politics, and the information needs to be objective and clear and not need to meet anyone's point of view on the situation in the world.
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These pages include Украина‎, Россия, Русь, Восточная Европа‎, Киев and some others. [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 09:42, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
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:'''Admins''' Have you spoken with any of the [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2/sysop admins] on that edition? I am one of them but I don't know Russian, so it would be difficult for me to mediate. If you need me, let me know. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 12:05, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
  
I mistakenly deleted a large portion of Ko Lanta (everything after "Diving") and now I am having difficulty figuring out how to fix the problem. Can someone help me put the page back as it was on 2012-12-26? --[[Special:Contributions/110.171.36.212|110.171.36.212]] 21:21, 28 December 2012 (EST)
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::I was trying to reverse the vandal's changes a couple of times but it just result in an auto-ban. I see by the recent changes that these vandals are operating for some time now. I wrote to some of the admins but don't get any response. The changes to some of the pages are very offensive, so I think they need to be fixed asap. [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 13:00, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
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:::'''Protection''' It looks like the only Russian-speaking admin is Olga Z. Have you spoken with her? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 13:29, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
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::::It seems that all of admins abandoned RU edition :( [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 15:47, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
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:::::'''I'm here''' I'll help. I'm just letting you know that I don't have proficiency in your language. It will be difficult but I'm willing to do it. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 01:56, 27 September 2014 (EDT)
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::::::Ok. I think to start with the following pages' last revisions need to be reverted and protected from editing. At least temporarily. You can try to just revert, but you can look at the recent changes there that I tried many times. The vandals are relentless. [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8C Русь], [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/ru/index.php?title=%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F&redirect=no Россия], [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0 Восточная Европа], [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8 Северо-запад России], [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2 Киев], [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%AD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F Эстония], [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0 Украина],  also this template needs to be fixed [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%92 Шаблон:В] [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 05:47, 27 September 2014 (EDT)
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Hi guys, and thank you for your effort! In the meantime, I'll report that to Wikitravel HQ. Hopefully they'll have somebody competent! [[User:PierrB|PierrB]] ([[User talk:PierrB|talk]]) 01:16, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
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:Any updates on this? [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 13:36, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
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::'''Still here''' I haven't forgotten you--this is still a tab in my browser. I'm just working through a lot of stuff online and in real life. Sorry. I will get to it but in 12 hours at the earliest. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 14:41, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
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::: '''12 days later''' I still see Eastern europe referred as bunch of puppet and semi-independent states. No, I mean why do I even care?  [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 05:44, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
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::::'''Language barrier''' This is really tricky as I don't understand your language or even your script. As you can see, I deleted your userpage on ru because it was made up of slurs. I've tried to get to the bottom of this but it's difficult without knowing Russian, Cyrillic, or any Slavic language. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 06:01, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
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:::::'''Thanks''' You can ask me for help with this. I mentioned a couple of pages that need to be fixed earlier. It is not hard, as you can see my attempts to revert them to proper revisions in history. Also unbanning me there would be appreciated. [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 07:06, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
  
:Looks like you figured it out? Let me know if not!--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 15:43, 3 January 2013 (EST)
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'''Unblocking''' In case you hadn't noticed, I unblocked you there. Simply put, it was my best option for you maybe getting a handle on what's happening at ru. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 04:11, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
  
== Armenia has introduced visa waiver for EU & EEA countries. ==
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:Hi, just to let you know that a new russian speaking admin is currently training, so I am sure she will also have a look at it soon. [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 06:31, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
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:Thanks for unblocking. I fixed a couple of pages to see how the vandals will act. Also I hope the admin would see their actions and take appropriate measures. [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 16:04, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
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:::: Hello, [[User:Dia|Dia]]! I'm IBcaldera, the new touch point between our community and HQ. I want to thank you for reaching out and bringing this up. RU language has been under attack for quite sometime and we've finally secured a new admin to help revert as much of the craziness that's happened there. She is [[User:Triskelle|Triskelle]], please feel free to introduce yourself on her usertalk page on RU. If you're using the same username there too I'll make sure she drops in and says hello =). I love your idea on protecting pages. It seems that this is the only way for the moment, it's unfortunate, but it's true! Hang tight as we try to save the RU wing! [[User:IBcaldera|IBcaldera]] ([[User talk:IBcaldera|talk]]) 16:53, 17 October 2014 (EDT)
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:::::I'm glad that everything seems to turn out fine and I hope RU branch will recuperate from soon. [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 18:36, 18 October 2014 (EDT)
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There definitely should be a way to avoid autoblock when reverting all these vandal revisions. Could I ask for unblocking again? :) [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 09:24, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
  
Armenia has introduced visa waiver for EU & EEA countries, please update the visa section of this article http://wikitravel.org/en/Armenia .  
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'''Done''' You're free to edit again. There must be a problem with the spam filter thinking that ''you'' are spamming. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 11:45, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
Full list of countries whose citizens do not need to obtain entry visas for Armenia are available on Wikipedia here
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: There is definitely something wrong. I can't revert changes in [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/ru/index.php?title=%D0%A2%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD Таджикистан] I get blocked immediately. [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 12:08, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
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::'''User rights''' As an admin, I can't change user rights--only a bureaucrat can. By the way, what on Earth is this vandalism about Tajikistan? Is there some movement amongst Russians to annex it or something? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 15:01, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
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:::Not annexing :) There was a article about genocide of Russian people. Also the same article is in [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%A3%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD Узбекистан] page. All of these changes and vandalism carries one of the popular ideas in Russia: Russians are the chosen nation, all other countries are trying to conquer/enslave them, all the lands that at some point were in USSR or Russian Empire must return to their rightful (as they think) owner. That's why annexing of Crimea met support in Russia. Plus all the propaganda. And that's imperialism in Russian in a nutshell :) [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 15:53, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
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::::'''Genocide?''' To be frank, the idea of keeping a Russian-language travel guide neutral and fair seems like a Herculean task. As an American, I've really only seen nationalism that rivals our own from Chinese and Russians. Maybe our countries are just too big. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 04:10, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
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:::::I'm beginning to think that 1 admin for RU wing is not enough :) These guys are either fanatical about changing the wikitravel to align with their ideology or they are being paid to do that. [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 10:04, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
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'''Subnetwork block''' There is a pattern in the IP addresses used to make vandal changes. Is there such capabilities in this wiki to ban the whole subnet? [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 15:01, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
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::::::Hi, we have ways to block blocks of addresses, I will let those involved know. Thanks again! [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 17:26, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
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:::::::Hello, yes we do! What a fortune to find a pattern. I can't speak or read Russian, can you please link me to an edit made by one of those IPs? I'd appreciate it!! [[User:IBcaldera|IBcaldera]] ([[User talk:IBcaldera|talk]]) 16:49, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Armenia
 
  
Thank you!
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:'''IPs''' Check my [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%92%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4/Koavf edits] and [http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%96%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B/Koavf logs]. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 22:52, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
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:: Also check out these [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/ru/index.php?title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%3A%D0%96%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B&type=block&user=&page=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%3A217.19&pattern=1&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= blocks]. You'll see the pattern I was talking about. [[User:Dia|Dia]] ([[User talk:Dia|talk]]) 07:51, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
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:::Cool, I just range blocked based on two of those ranges(both starting with 217) hope this helps! keep me posted! [[User:IBcaldera|IBcaldera]] ([[User talk:IBcaldera|talk]]) 14:09, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
  
== Please fix typo on the main page ==
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== TRAVEL FROM KOHIMA TO IMPHAL ==
  
The heading "Antartica" should be "Antarctica".  I would fix it but apparently don't have permission to edit.  [[User:Markoboston|Markoboston]] 19:05, 1 January 2013 (EST)
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[[Special:Contributions/14.99.29.173|14.99.29.173]] 12:54, 6 October 2014 (EDT)WE A AGED COUPLE FROM KOLKATA WOULD LIKE TO VISIT KOHIMA ON 26TH AND 27TH DECEMBER 2014.ON 28TH MORNING WE SHALL PROCEED TO IMPHAL WHICH IS SUNDAY.
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IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CAN HELP ME BY GIVING SUGGESTION -HOW COULD WE REACH IMPHAL BY LOCAL TRANSPORT? WE HAVE HEARD THE NON AVAILABILITY OF LOCAL TRANSPORT ON SUNDAY.
  
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:Hello, please have a look at our [http://wikitravel.org/en/Imphal Imphal] and [http://wikitravel.org/en/Kohima Kohima] articles, you may find some information there that can help you. Have a great trip! [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 07:13, 7 October 2014 (EDT)
  
:Bothered me too -- I just saw your note here but fixed it independently. I won a 5th grade spelling bee getting that extra C in there ;)
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== What are the advantages of starting a Wikitravel site in my language, compared to just running my own MediaWiki website focused on tourism? ==
:As to editing privileges, yes, we do protect the main page due to the potentially huge exposure to vandalism. Hope you understand, and thank you much for letting us know about the error! --[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 15:32, 3 January 2013 (EST)
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Does WikiTravel provide a lot of reusable features, or some other advantage, that makes it worth following this site's process/guidelines? Apologies if this is already covered elsewhere, but couldn't find it in the FAQ [[User:HaEr48|HaEr48]] ([[User talk:HaEr48|talk]]) 03:00, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
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:'''Community''' One thing that would come to mind is that if you wanted to start an expedition in a new language here, there would already be a pre-existing flock of fellow editors, some of whom might be interested in helping you. It's exceedingly difficult to start a community from scratch. Another alternative is using another wiki community which already exists to host a travel guide in your language--this effectively splits the difference. Is your question hypothetical or did you have something concrete in mind? I don't know what you mean by "reusable features" but the content here is freely licensed, as is the [https://mediawiki.org/ software], so you can exactly reproduce this content elsewhere with some caveats. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 04:10, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
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::What I mean is, if I'm thinking about building a wiki-based travel guide website in my language (Indonesian), what would be the advantage of doing in through Wikitravel, compared to just running my own MediaWiki website? I understand the software can be freely used. [[User:HaEr48|HaEr48]] ([[User talk:HaEr48|talk]]) 22:57, 17 October 2014 (EDT)
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:::'''Hosting''' Sure. Some other things come to mind: you will have essentially free hosting and tech support, you won't have to buy a domain name, your work here at Wikitravel has a pretty high SEO rank (so it will be found by search engines easily). Again, these are things that immediately come to mind. I've heard that configuring MediaWiki can be a nightmare sometimes but I don't know about that firsthand. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 01:11, 18 October 2014 (EDT)
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== GPS coordinates for locations ==
  
== problem with print version of Hanoi, Vietnam page ==
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What is the best way to add GPS coordinates to a location?
  
The Hanoi information does not print properly. Plaese fix. 
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They are '''really''' helpful, especially if addresses (let alone names) do not exist.
Thanks.
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Using "lat" and "long" (as suggested in http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Listings) is not helpful, because the values are not displayed.
  
:What problem are you having? I just printed it and it came out fine...--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 15:37, 3 January 2013 (EST)
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Is there any best practice to follow? I am sure a link to bing or google maps or OSM (depending on who offers the best picture material) would be appreciated by a lot of travellers.
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Also with those GPS enabled smartphones everywhere it is really helpful to mark points in advance on a map. E.g. your hotel, etc. One could even start to put together a route consisting of hotels/POI/etc.
  
== Safety for first year students at UCT any problems as we are in jhb and our son is going to attend cut and we have no immediate family in cape town ==
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Two remarks:
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*It would be nice to have a technical solution (one where you could click on the coordinates and they would show up in a map (e.g. OSM) or even better: you could aggregate them to some kind of list to get a .gpx file with your route/POI.
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*However, as a quick solution a unified way (format, layout, etc.) of just showing the GPS coordinates would be nice. This could also be helpful if at a later stage someone decides to do something (s.a.) with this data. Also this quick solution would not require any technical work. I would prefer a format that (if no interactive behavior is planned) can easily be copied&pasted into any online map (e.g. "GPS: 53.421822, -2.315918").
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Thanks! [[User:User4353|User4353]] ([[User talk:User4353|talk]]) 04:17, 17 October 2014 (EDT)
  
We are concerned for our first year going to university of cape town and his physical safety
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== Make email addresses SPAM safe ==
  
:This is not really a message board type of website; I would suggest perhaps posting your concern on the [http://wikitravel.org/en/Talk:Cape_Town Discussion page of the Cape Town article] and see if anyone responds; alternately, you can view the [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Cape_Town&action=history history of revisions] and see if there are any regular local contributors who you could leave a message for on their Talk Pages.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 14:37, 7 January 2013 (EST)
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If I enter an email address of a business/hotel/contact person I fear that a spambot will spam the recipient. Is there any standardized way/best practice to prohibit this? E.g using example`àt´mail.com or obfuscate the email address in any other way? Especially for small locations/hotels/semi business mail addresses this may be an issue and I think they should be protected as far as possible. Thanks! [[User:User4353|User4353]] ([[User talk:User4353|talk]]) 04:29, 17 October 2014 (EDT)

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The Travellers' pub—your watering hole on Wikitravel

The Travellers' pub is where Wikitravellers of all languages get to together to talk about Wikitravel, and where you can ask for help if you're confused, lost, afraid, tired or annoyed by Wikitravel. Please check the FAQ and Help page before asking a question, though, since that may save your time and others'.

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Gozo[edit]

line 88 states "During the English occupation, the grain silos were modified into stores for water." The British were invited to the island of Malta to oust the French.

It can be found within Wikipedia 'Malta Protectorate' that: "In June 1802, 104 representatives from the Maltese towns and villages signed a declaration entitled La Dichiarazione dei Diritti degli abitanti delle Isole di Malta e Gozo (The Declaration of Rights of the inhabitants of the Islands of Malta and Gozo) by which they proclaimed George III to be their king, and that he had no right to surrender Malta to another power. By the Declaration they also proclaimed that Malta should be self-governing while under British protection"

Gozo was certainly not therefore ever under "English occupation" and it is my understanding that as recently as 1956 77% of a vote wanted Malta & Gozo to become part of the United Kingdom.

Editing You can freely edit the article on Malta. If something is incorrect, please delete or revise it. Koavf (talk) 13:29, 29 August 2014 (EDT)

Errors[edit]

In updating Nakhon Ratchasima I was working on the Korat Hotel in the midrange hotels section. Going into the update section everything looks normal, but looking at the page after logout, it has become entangled with the splurge section and the hotel from there.

Also, I was updating Mahasarakham and was inserting how to pronounce the place. It took the edit away from being reedited and made a mess of the section.

Apologies................. Please fix. Avemario.

Page protection and vandalism on RU WT[edit]

Some pages on the RU Wikitravel need to be protected from abusive political vandalism and to prevent revision wars. I think Wiki is not a place for politics, and the information needs to be objective and clear and not need to meet anyone's point of view on the situation in the world. These pages include Украина‎, Россия, Русь, Восточная Европа‎, Киев and some others. Dia (talk) 09:42, 26 September 2014 (EDT)

Admins Have you spoken with any of the admins on that edition? I am one of them but I don't know Russian, so it would be difficult for me to mediate. If you need me, let me know. Koavf (talk) 12:05, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
I was trying to reverse the vandal's changes a couple of times but it just result in an auto-ban. I see by the recent changes that these vandals are operating for some time now. I wrote to some of the admins but don't get any response. The changes to some of the pages are very offensive, so I think they need to be fixed asap. Dia (talk) 13:00, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
Protection It looks like the only Russian-speaking admin is Olga Z. Have you spoken with her? Koavf (talk) 13:29, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
It seems that all of admins abandoned RU edition :( Dia (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
I'm here I'll help. I'm just letting you know that I don't have proficiency in your language. It will be difficult but I'm willing to do it. Koavf (talk) 01:56, 27 September 2014 (EDT)
Ok. I think to start with the following pages' last revisions need to be reverted and protected from editing. At least temporarily. You can try to just revert, but you can look at the recent changes there that I tried many times. The vandals are relentless. Русь, Россия, Восточная Европа, Северо-запад России, Киев, Эстония, Украина, also this template needs to be fixed Шаблон:В Dia (talk) 05:47, 27 September 2014 (EDT)

Hi guys, and thank you for your effort! In the meantime, I'll report that to Wikitravel HQ. Hopefully they'll have somebody competent! PierrB (talk) 01:16, 28 September 2014 (EDT)

Any updates on this? Dia (talk) 13:36, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
Still here I haven't forgotten you--this is still a tab in my browser. I'm just working through a lot of stuff online and in real life. Sorry. I will get to it but in 12 hours at the earliest. Koavf (talk) 14:41, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
12 days later I still see Eastern europe referred as bunch of puppet and semi-independent states. No, I mean why do I even care? Dia (talk) 05:44, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
Language barrier This is really tricky as I don't understand your language or even your script. As you can see, I deleted your userpage on ru because it was made up of slurs. I've tried to get to the bottom of this but it's difficult without knowing Russian, Cyrillic, or any Slavic language. Koavf (talk) 06:01, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
Thanks You can ask me for help with this. I mentioned a couple of pages that need to be fixed earlier. It is not hard, as you can see my attempts to revert them to proper revisions in history. Also unbanning me there would be appreciated. Dia (talk) 07:06, 13 October 2014 (EDT)

Unblocking In case you hadn't noticed, I unblocked you there. Simply put, it was my best option for you maybe getting a handle on what's happening at ru. Koavf (talk) 04:11, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

Hi, just to let you know that a new russian speaking admin is currently training, so I am sure she will also have a look at it soon. Adzas (talk) 06:31, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
Thanks for unblocking. I fixed a couple of pages to see how the vandals will act. Also I hope the admin would see their actions and take appropriate measures. Dia (talk) 16:04, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
Hello, Dia! I'm IBcaldera, the new touch point between our community and HQ. I want to thank you for reaching out and bringing this up. RU language has been under attack for quite sometime and we've finally secured a new admin to help revert as much of the craziness that's happened there. She is Triskelle, please feel free to introduce yourself on her usertalk page on RU. If you're using the same username there too I'll make sure she drops in and says hello =). I love your idea on protecting pages. It seems that this is the only way for the moment, it's unfortunate, but it's true! Hang tight as we try to save the RU wing! IBcaldera (talk) 16:53, 17 October 2014 (EDT)
I'm glad that everything seems to turn out fine and I hope RU branch will recuperate from soon. Dia (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2014 (EDT)

There definitely should be a way to avoid autoblock when reverting all these vandal revisions. Could I ask for unblocking again? :) Dia (talk) 09:24, 22 October 2014 (EDT)

Done You're free to edit again. There must be a problem with the spam filter thinking that you are spamming. Koavf (talk) 11:45, 22 October 2014 (EDT)

There is definitely something wrong. I can't revert changes in Таджикистан I get blocked immediately. Dia (talk) 12:08, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
User rights As an admin, I can't change user rights--only a bureaucrat can. By the way, what on Earth is this vandalism about Tajikistan? Is there some movement amongst Russians to annex it or something? Koavf (talk) 15:01, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
Not annexing :) There was a article about genocide of Russian people. Also the same article is in Узбекистан page. All of these changes and vandalism carries one of the popular ideas in Russia: Russians are the chosen nation, all other countries are trying to conquer/enslave them, all the lands that at some point were in USSR or Russian Empire must return to their rightful (as they think) owner. That's why annexing of Crimea met support in Russia. Plus all the propaganda. And that's imperialism in Russian in a nutshell :) Dia (talk) 15:53, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
Genocide? To be frank, the idea of keeping a Russian-language travel guide neutral and fair seems like a Herculean task. As an American, I've really only seen nationalism that rivals our own from Chinese and Russians. Maybe our countries are just too big. Koavf (talk) 04:10, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
I'm beginning to think that 1 admin for RU wing is not enough :) These guys are either fanatical about changing the wikitravel to align with their ideology or they are being paid to do that. Dia (talk) 10:04, 23 October 2014 (EDT)

Subnetwork block There is a pattern in the IP addresses used to make vandal changes. Is there such capabilities in this wiki to ban the whole subnet? Dia (talk) 15:01, 26 October 2014 (EDT)

Hi, we have ways to block blocks of addresses, I will let those involved know. Thanks again! Adzas (talk) 17:26, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
Hello, yes we do! What a fortune to find a pattern. I can't speak or read Russian, can you please link me to an edit made by one of those IPs? I'd appreciate it!! IBcaldera (talk) 16:49, 27 October 2014 (EDT)


IPs Check my edits and logs. Koavf (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
Also check out these blocks. You'll see the pattern I was talking about. Dia (talk) 07:51, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
Cool, I just range blocked based on two of those ranges(both starting with 217) hope this helps! keep me posted! IBcaldera (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

TRAVEL FROM KOHIMA TO IMPHAL[edit]

14.99.29.173 12:54, 6 October 2014 (EDT)WE A AGED COUPLE FROM KOLKATA WOULD LIKE TO VISIT KOHIMA ON 26TH AND 27TH DECEMBER 2014.ON 28TH MORNING WE SHALL PROCEED TO IMPHAL WHICH IS SUNDAY. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CAN HELP ME BY GIVING SUGGESTION -HOW COULD WE REACH IMPHAL BY LOCAL TRANSPORT? WE HAVE HEARD THE NON AVAILABILITY OF LOCAL TRANSPORT ON SUNDAY.

Hello, please have a look at our Imphal and Kohima articles, you may find some information there that can help you. Have a great trip! Adzas (talk) 07:13, 7 October 2014 (EDT)

What are the advantages of starting a Wikitravel site in my language, compared to just running my own MediaWiki website focused on tourism?[edit]

Does WikiTravel provide a lot of reusable features, or some other advantage, that makes it worth following this site's process/guidelines? Apologies if this is already covered elsewhere, but couldn't find it in the FAQ HaEr48 (talk) 03:00, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

Community One thing that would come to mind is that if you wanted to start an expedition in a new language here, there would already be a pre-existing flock of fellow editors, some of whom might be interested in helping you. It's exceedingly difficult to start a community from scratch. Another alternative is using another wiki community which already exists to host a travel guide in your language--this effectively splits the difference. Is your question hypothetical or did you have something concrete in mind? I don't know what you mean by "reusable features" but the content here is freely licensed, as is the software, so you can exactly reproduce this content elsewhere with some caveats. Koavf (talk) 04:10, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
What I mean is, if I'm thinking about building a wiki-based travel guide website in my language (Indonesian), what would be the advantage of doing in through Wikitravel, compared to just running my own MediaWiki website? I understand the software can be freely used. HaEr48 (talk) 22:57, 17 October 2014 (EDT)
Hosting Sure. Some other things come to mind: you will have essentially free hosting and tech support, you won't have to buy a domain name, your work here at Wikitravel has a pretty high SEO rank (so it will be found by search engines easily). Again, these are things that immediately come to mind. I've heard that configuring MediaWiki can be a nightmare sometimes but I don't know about that firsthand. Koavf (talk) 01:11, 18 October 2014 (EDT)

GPS coordinates for locations[edit]

What is the best way to add GPS coordinates to a location?

They are really helpful, especially if addresses (let alone names) do not exist. Using "lat" and "long" (as suggested in http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Listings) is not helpful, because the values are not displayed.

Is there any best practice to follow? I am sure a link to bing or google maps or OSM (depending on who offers the best picture material) would be appreciated by a lot of travellers. Also with those GPS enabled smartphones everywhere it is really helpful to mark points in advance on a map. E.g. your hotel, etc. One could even start to put together a route consisting of hotels/POI/etc.

Two remarks:

  • It would be nice to have a technical solution (one where you could click on the coordinates and they would show up in a map (e.g. OSM) or even better: you could aggregate them to some kind of list to get a .gpx file with your route/POI.
  • However, as a quick solution a unified way (format, layout, etc.) of just showing the GPS coordinates would be nice. This could also be helpful if at a later stage someone decides to do something (s.a.) with this data. Also this quick solution would not require any technical work. I would prefer a format that (if no interactive behavior is planned) can easily be copied&pasted into any online map (e.g. "GPS: 53.421822, -2.315918").

Thanks! User4353 (talk) 04:17, 17 October 2014 (EDT)

Make email addresses SPAM safe[edit]

If I enter an email address of a business/hotel/contact person I fear that a spambot will spam the recipient. Is there any standardized way/best practice to prohibit this? E.g using example`àt´mail.com or obfuscate the email address in any other way? Especially for small locations/hotels/semi business mail addresses this may be an issue and I think they should be protected as far as possible. Thanks! User4353 (talk) 04:29, 17 October 2014 (EDT)

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