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[[Image:The Queens Arms pub Charlotte Street Birmingham 2005-10-14.jpg|thumb|The Travellers' pub - your watering hole on Wikitravel]]
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[[Image:The Queens Arms pub Charlotte Street Birmingham 2005-10-14.jpg|thumb|The Travellers' pub—your watering hole on Wikitravel]]
  
 
The '''Travellers' pub''' is where Wikitravellers of all languages get to together to talk about Wikitravel, and where you can ask for help if you're confused, lost, afraid, tired or annoyed by Wikitravel. Please check the [[Wikitravel Shared:FAQ|FAQ]] and [[Wikitravel Shared:Help|Help]] page before asking a question, though, since that may save your time and others'.
 
The '''Travellers' pub''' is where Wikitravellers of all languages get to together to talk about Wikitravel, and where you can ask for help if you're confused, lost, afraid, tired or annoyed by Wikitravel. Please check the [[Wikitravel Shared:FAQ|FAQ]] and [[Wikitravel Shared:Help|Help]] page before asking a question, though, since that may save your time and others'.
  
If you have question '''about travel''', not the website, try the '''[http://extra.wikitravel.org/forum Wikitravel Extra Forum]'''.
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If you have question '''about travel''', not the website, try the Travellers' pubs in your language edition of Wikitravel.
  
 
If you are having a problem that you think has to do with the [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ Mediawiki software], please post that on the [[Wikitravel Shared:technical requests|technical requests]] page instead.
 
If you are having a problem that you think has to do with the [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ Mediawiki software], please post that on the [[Wikitravel Shared:technical requests|technical requests]] page instead.
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==Renaming a file name and caption==
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=='''Wikitravel upgrade 1.22.2'''==
I have uploaded a file, and accidentally it had the wrong name and caption (should be Underground, instead of Underwater). I have been going crazing trying to find out how it's possible to rename the name and the caption. I follow help link to help link and so far nothing.
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Hello all, We're excited to announce that Wikitravel will be upgrading its software! In order to migrate Wikitravel's extraordinary database of travel information, we'll be putting the site into '''read-only mode''' starting Thursday, 20 Mar 2014 at 5pm PST and running it for about 3-4 days. No edits will be possible at this time. When we come back, we'll be better than ever.  
After reading the help info, what is was able to find out is that only admin, file movers, and a few other groups can do it.
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Since I don't have that op right, I wasn't able to find out: who should I contact in order to request that file and caption rename.
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Does anyone how to help me? And I think it would be helpful if that info is not more clear on help documentation.
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:Thank you for your post. I am an admin here and I would gladly help you. Please let me know how you would like to name the file and I will do it for you. Is that a file you are referring to [http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Princesa_Underwater_River.jpg]? The best way to ask for help on Wikitravel is simply to leave a message on the Travellers' Pub, just as you did. I've been checking Pub regularly and I'm doing my best to solve all the problems. You can also contact me on my [[Shared: User_talk:IBAlex| User Page]]. Thanks! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 12:35, 11 December 2012 (EST)
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We’re moving to 1.22.2 version of MediaWiki. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22 Here] is a page that lists the changes. I also put together my own list with the changes that are visible to regular users. I believe this list is more easy to grasp.
  
:Yes, it's that image. Thanks, IBAlex.  
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===Changes between 1.20 and 1.22.2 Media Wiki Software===
:That image I used in [http://wikitravel.org/Sabang|Sabang], the link must also be updated. I don't known if you can also do that, so the broken link has less lifetime. Since the place where I'm now, there isn't always power nor internet.
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::I managed to change only the caption from "Underwater" to "Underground" but I'm unable to change the name of the file. What you can do is to upload a new version of the file by clicking here [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/shared/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Princesa_Underwater_River.jpg&wpForReUpload=1].
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''IPs, Registered users, Admins:''
::The link is not broken because the name of the page you uploaded the picture on is [http://wikitravel.org/en/Sabang_%28Palawan%29 Sabang (Palawan)] and not just '''Sabang'''. I hope this helps. Cheers, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 17:22, 13 December 2012 (EST)
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:::Finally I arrive into a place where internet is fast enough to upload a new file. I uploaded [http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Princesa_Underground_River.jpg], and updated the link in [http://wikitravel.org/en/Sabang_%28Palawan%29 Sabang (Palawan)].  
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* Create an account page has new look and feel (more colors and shows on the right side stats for the # of edits, pages and recent contributors on Wikitravel)
:::So the [http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Princesa_Underwater_River.jpg] file is no longer needed, is there any possibility that you can delete it?
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* Simplified search bar with vector skin only as an option, instead of “Go” and “Search” buttons.  
::::Sure! I just deleted it. Cheers, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 11:06, 21 December 2012 (EST)
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* Add Listing and Edit show on the top left side of the sections (previously at the top right corner)
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* Pop-up message “Your edit was saved” after making an edit and clicking “Save”.
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* When comparing revisions in the article history where noting was changed in the article, you notice a message "(No difference)" at the top middle part of the screen.
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* Left navigation bar subsections are now collapsible.  
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* A pop up message is now displayed when the user attempts to leave the edit page with unsaved changes, on browsers supporting dialogs. Message says: This page is asking you to confirm that you want to leave - data you have entered may not be saved.
  
==Right to vanish policy==
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''Registered users and Admins:''
I feel that we lack a right to vanish policy. The meatball version is to be found [http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RightToVanish here]. The Wikipedia version is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Courtesy_vanishing here]. Suggestion: import the current Wikipedia version. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] 09:46, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
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:I agree.
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:Perhaps you could plunge forward and create one in your own User namespace and then give us the link so we can ratify it (or not) by consensus? --[[User:Alice|Alice]] 21:40, 18 November 2012 (EST)
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==:ja Thumbnail error?==
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* Log in page is more new look and feel (colorful and neat).
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* Watch pages just by clicking on the star icon in the top right menu. Now you are not redirected to a different page and you don’t have to go back to the article after clicking “Watch”; you stay all the time on the same page. If the star icon is blue it means you’re watching the page.
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* New option in Account Preferences- User profile- Internationalization: “How do you prefer to be described?
  
It seems that we cannot display the shared image when we want to use them as thumbnail images. See [[:ja:クアラルンプール#列車で]]. I tried several times and it doesn't work, unfortunately. It happens so frequently these days.--[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 17:14, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
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''Admins only:''
:Thank you -- I have reported this to Tech.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 17:49, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
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::It still doesn't work (it seems that the system or database is very much unstable.). When I try to use the image, it often displays the error messages such as "サムネイルの作成中にエラーが発生しました:convert: unable to open image `/var/www/wikitravel/upload/shared/thumb/e/ec/Gondola_cable,_Langkawi,_Kedah,_Malaysia.JPG/160px-Gondola_cable,_Langkawi,_Kedah,_Malaysia.JPG': Permission denied @ blob.c/OpenBlob/2480.", instead ('''see also [[:ja:ランカウイ島#遊ぶ|here]]'''). 'Seems not always happens, but happens so frequently.
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::Anyway, I am very much in trouble for about a week and I think this is an urgent matter.--[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 12:55, 15 September 2012 (EDT)
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*  Mark as patrolled" link available on any patrollable page or revision, without having to go to Special:RecentChanges or Special:NewPages. You stay all the time on the same page.
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*  Cascading page protection levels other than "Allow only administrators". New option: “Autoconfirmed users”.
  
:::Edit: Of the two reports, the latter has fixed automatically and the display is now back to its normal. --[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] 09:10, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
 
  
== Finnish Wikitravel need some help ==
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Please let us know if you have any questions. Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 18:39, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
  
Hey, we have a problem in Finnish Wikitravel. We have some IP user ([http://wikitravel.org/fi/Toiminnot:Muokkaukset/217.209.82.165] & [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Toiminnot:Muokkaukset/213.67.141.73]) making lot of trash by spamming articles from Finnish Wikipedia and Swedish Wikipedia via Google Translate... There are no active admins in Finnish version of Wikitravel. So, could someone come to help us and delete articles from these categories: [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Luokka:Roskaa] & [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Luokka:Poistettavat_artikkelit]. [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 12:56, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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===Wikitravel is upgraded===
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Dear community! Wikitravel was upgraded successfully! Now you can edit the site again. If you see any bugs or issues, please report them below and I will be checking them and reporting to our tech team. Thank you for your cooperation! Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 14:00, 25 March 2014 (EDT)
  
:Is it all from that same IP?--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 13:25, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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== Why do you track users? ==
  
::All from [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Toiminnot:Muokkaukset/217.209.82.165 IP 217.209.82.165] & [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Toiminnot:Muokkaukset/213.67.141.73 IP 213.67.141.73]. Same person. [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 13:44, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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I think Wikitravel is a great thing, especially in view of the "sell-hotel-rooms, get kickback" commercialisation of publications like Lonely Planet. This one, on the other hand, has the potential to become ever more useful to all of us as users contribute their knowledge and experience. People will do that more readily if the whole thing is in the spirit of open collaboration -- the operative word being '''open'''.
  
:::We will block the IPs and revert the spam pages. Thanks for keeping an eye out! Have you considered being an admin for the Finnish site?--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 13:46, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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I would therefore like to know why a Google Analytics tracker is issued by Wikitravel pages without informing the reader. That looks like secretive un-Wiki-spirited behaviour. But if it is beneficial for the users that you analyse what people read about, where will you publish the results of your researches?
  
::::I am quite sporadic visitor and contributor in Finnish Wikitravel. So I think it would be not good idea to be admin for the Finnish project. But, thanks for cleaning ”our” project. :) [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 14:19, 9 October 2012 (EDT)
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Robert (New Zealand)
  
We have still almost 300 pages waiting for deletion in Finnish Wikitravel: [http://wikitravel.org/fi/Luokka:Poistettavat_artikkelit]. Almost all of those are made by the same IP... [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 09:13, 13 October 2012 (EDT)
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[[Special:Contributions/124.248.130.237|124.248.130.237]] 16:19, 13 April 2014 (EDT)
  
There is the same problem in [http://wikitravel.org/es/Especial:Contribuciones/217.209.82.165 Spanish], [http://wikitravel.org/hu/Speci%C3%A1lis:Szerkeszt%C5%91_k%C3%B6zrem%C5%B1k%C3%B6d%C3%A9sei/213.67.141.73 Hungarian] & [http://wikitravel.org/hu/Speci%C3%A1lis:Szerkeszt%C5%91_k%C3%B6zrem%C5%B1k%C3%B6d%C3%A9sei/217.209.82.165], [http://wikitravel.org/it/Speciale:Contributi/217.209.82.165 Italian], [http://wikitravel.org/pl/Specjalna:Wk%C5%82ad/217.209.82.165 Polish Wikitravel]... [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 11:58, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
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:Analytics are a standard tool for almost all websites. They do not track users, they allow us to see where users are coming to the site from and tailor Wikitravel to everyone's needs. --[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 16:35, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
  
: Finnish and Spanish are done! - [[User:IBcash|IBcash]] 15:26, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
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==Technical request==
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'''DMOZ''' Links in the sidebar include collaborating with the Open Directory Project. E.g. the [http://wikitravel.org/en/Indianapolis English guide to Indianapolis] guides users to the link directory from ODP. This project has recently made a push to be branded as "DMOZ" which is an older and more popular name for the site. I'd like to request that this be changed to reflect that community's branding. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 16:06, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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: Hi Justin! DMOZ has been dead for over 6 years now. There is no value for the traveler to keep their links in the sidebar. Therefore, we're in the process of removing them from the site. Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 20:04, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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::'''Dead''' For what it's worth, I edit there some. It's hard to track their metrics, as they are not as open a project as MediaWiki-based ones are. Should I remove links to DMOZ? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 20:40, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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:::That would be great! How to do it? I would be happy to help. Thanks! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 21:11, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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::::'''Linking''' There is just little code at the end of articles which reads "<nowiki>[[Dmoz:North_America/United_States/Indiana/Localities/I/Indianapolis/]]</nowiki>" you just remove it ([http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Indianapolis&diff=prev&oldid=2193844 as I did on en]) and it's gone. So the only external link we're keeping is Wikipedia? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 21:42, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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::::: Right, we only want to keep Wikipedia. With the removal of DMOZ I was wondering if there is a way to remove all the links at once instead of doing it manually? The problem is we have many references to DMOZ on various language versions of WT and it would be very time consuming to do it manually. Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 12:10, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
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::::::'''DMOZ removal''' For what it's worth, DMOZ is not dead and there is [http://forums.dmoz.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=939000&highlight=&start=50 discussion there] about keeping links on Wikitravel (requires a login). I'm sure a bot can be written to remove <code>dmoz:</code> links but even if you don't, you can just disable them and they will immediately stop displaying. Was there any discussion about removing DMOZ and World66 links anywhere? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 20:48, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
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::::::: We still have links to World66 in our articles. What we removed are links to Wikitravel Extra because the site is inactive now and users could read ''Site is under construction''. The discussion about DMOZ was held long time ago (in 2006). Lots of users in the community [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel_talk:Links_to_DMOZ did not want to keep links to DMOZ] but nothing was done at the end. Now, as I see DMOZ is "dead" and not really updated for many of the pages. Also, many link over there are not active anymore. Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 14:42, 18 April 2014 (EDT)
  
::The same user is also vandalizing the [http://wikitravel.org/fr/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/213.67.141.73 French Wikitravel]. Could you also block him there please? <font color="#339989">–[[User:Sumone10154|'''<font color="#339989">sumone10154</font>''']]<sup>([[User talk:Sumone10154|<font color="#339989">talk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:39, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
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==Technical edit==
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'''en Main Page''' At [http://wikitravel.org/en/Main_Page en's Main Page], there is a link to Wikitravel Extra. I've tried to remove all references to Extra and Wikitravel Press throughout the language editions but there's some trickery going on there which makes it have a different sidebar. I can't figure out how to remove the link to Extra. Can someone help? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:24, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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: Yes, '''en Main Page''' is an html (not a wiki page) and tech team would have to remove it. I will ask them for that. Best, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 12:11, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
  
:::Done. Thank you.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 14:29, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
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==Updates on technical requests above==
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'''Please edit''' These requests are a month old: I know the English Main Page edit is simple. If you still think DMOZ links should be removed, then that can be done manually by users over time. As far as I'm aware, they're really only in de, en, and nl. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 19:29, 15 May 2014 (EDT)
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: Koavf, our IT team will be removing them all at once from all the pages so that there is no need in doing that manually. A couple weeks ago they told me that they removed the links already, however, yes, I see that links to Open Directory are still in some of the articles. I've been working with the IT to remove them completely. I will let you know once it's done. Thank you! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2014 (EDT)
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:: Koavf, IT just told me that all the links were removed at once from the pages. I checked several articles and I don't see them anymore. You? Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 14:21, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
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:::'''DMOZ''' I no longer see DMOZ links but the link to Wikitravel Extra is still on en's Main Page. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 15:11, 29 May 2014 (EDT)
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:::: I asked IT team to remove the empty link as there is no point in having it on the HP. Thanks, Justin! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 15:17, 29 May 2014 (EDT)
  
==no noticeboard for admins/sysops?==
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==How does place name Category system work?==
As there seems to be no noticeboard for admins or sysops on WT/S, I will use this one.
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The following pages should be deleted as they are used for spam. --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] 11:18, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
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I see that Category:United Kingdom contains many city names, followed by county, eg Category:United Kingdom contains Category:Sheffield (county). Sheffield is in fact a city, not a county. The Category:United Kingdom also contains Category:South Yorkshire which in turn contains Category:Sheffield (South Yorkshire).
  
*[[How to get a six pack]]
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I also see that http://wikitravel.org/wiki/shared/index.php?title=Special:Categories&dir=prev&offset=St._Mary_Lake%2C_Glacier_National_Park%2C_Montana%2C_U.S.&limit=500 lists 'Sheffield?? (2 members)', 'Sheffield, ENG?? (2 members)' and 'Sheffield, UK?? (1 member)'.
*[[User talk:Misterlin]]
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*[[User:Polosxuuzo]]
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*[[User:Poloxxcavy]]
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: Done! Thank you :) -- [[User:IBcash|IBcash]] 13:40, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
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Where should images of Sheffield go?
  
== Travel news ==
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I also see that http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Shefftownhall.jpg has the claim 'There are no pages that link to this file', when the file is in use on the page http://wikitravel.org/en/Sheffield
Hello! I would like to call to action all the administrators and contributors on WT.
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For a long time '''Wikitravel Travel news'''[http://wikitravel.org/en/Travel_news] have been outdated. It is time to change it and keep the Travel Alerts and Current and upcoming events up-to-date. To achieve that, '''I need your help'''. Who is willing to offer his/her help? Thank you! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 16:47, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
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== Can't find the link after signing in ==
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How does place name Category system work?
  
I searched for Surat (a city in Gujarat, India), and did some corrections on it without logging in - which means the page exists.
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Is it possible to allocate an image to a category, or change the image's category and if so how?
  
Then when I created a login ID and searched for Surat page, it is nowhere to be found. Why is that so? I know the page exists!
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Thanks.
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[[User:Martin Bacon|Martin Bacon]] ([[User talk:Martin Bacon|talk]]) 22:10, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
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: Hello Martin Bacon! Thank you for your message and for drawing our attention to this issue. Indeed, many picture categories need to be reorganized. The reason we have so many confusing categories is because over time users did not know how to organize pictures correctly and administrators did not correct the mistakes. I'm here to help so I would gladly organize all the pictures related to Sheffield correctly. We would have to delete several incorrect categories and leave only one. My question is which one? Please let me know which one is best to keep and i will help organize the pictures. Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 15:17, 27 May 2014 (EDT)
  
:Hello! Is that the page you are referring to? [http://wikitravel.org/shared/Category:Surat]. We have also the whole article on Wikitravel about Surat in case you would like to make some changes there. Please have look [http://wikitravel.org/en/Surat]. Let me know if it answers your questions. thank you! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 14:08, 12 November 2012 (EST)
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== Portland (Oregon) ==
  
== SCAM!! ==
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Hello! For some reason your article for Portland, Oregon isn't working. <small>—The [[Project:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User: 24.255.63.35 |24.255.63.35 ]] ([[User_talk: 24.255.63.35 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.255.63.35 |contribs]]) </small>
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: Hello! Thank you for your message! Sorry for a late response. Wikitravel was under a vandalism attack on the 20th of May and lots of pages were broken. The problem was resolved within 5h and everything is fine now. If you happen to see something similar in the future, please let us know. Thank you for staying alert! Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (EDT)
  
We hired small motorbike in Vang Vieng, Laos from MR TEEP, for 40,000 Kip for the day. We rode to Kaeng Nyui waterfalls, which were 6 Km from town down a bumpy dirt road. We parked the bike next to the ticket kiosk, and when we returned about 30 minutes later, the woman in the kiosk pointed out that our front tyre was flat. She did not speak English, but by gestures offered to phone Mr Teep, which we were grateful for, as our mobiles did not work in Laos. Having spoken to MR TEEP she passed her phone to me, and he explained that he would contact the repair man, who would bring a replacement innertube out and that I would have to pay 50,000 Kip for it. I told him that I had examined the tyre and could see nothing wrong with it and it hopefully only needed pumping up. To which he said that if that was the case, then I would have to pay 2000 or 3000 Kip.
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== http://wikitravel.org/en/Kyoto 404 pathetic, insulting, stupid ==
The repair man arrived a few minutes later with a sack with a pump and two different size inner tubes and a few tyre levers. He went to speak to the kiosk woman and so I undid his sack and took out the pump. He came across and protested and showed me the new inner tube. I asked how much, and he wrote 50,000 on his hand. I said "No" and attached the pump and pumped up the tyre. I disconnected the pump and listened for air coming out. It seemed OK. So I decided to ride back to the town and check the tyre again then, knowing that I would probably be able to get it pumped up there. I offered the repairman 3000, but he wanted 5000, which I paid him.
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When we got back to town the tyre was OK, and we realised that the woman at the kiosk must have let the tyre down, so that the repairman could swap a perfectly OK tube for an extortionate charge!!! We used the bike for rest of the day, with no problems.
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Being in the middle of nowhere without a pump and not speaking the language, most people may well have paid up and been non-the-wiser.
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I also feel sure that MR TEEP must have been in on it! Otherwise he would have been  suspicious of the number of flat tyres being reported to him by the kiosk woman!!
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Don't hire from MR TEEP and more importantly do not park your bike near the ticket kiosk. Other people had taken their motorbikes nearer to the falls, where there is more parking.
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: I'm moving this information to [[:en:Vang Vieng]] discussion page because it will benefit the traveler better over there. Cheers! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] 17:52, 7 January 2013 (EST)
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what is wrong with your website?
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http://wikitravel.org/en/Kyoto
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seriously? <small>—The [[Project:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User: 108.239.231.67|108.239.231.67]] ([[User_talk: 108.239.231.67|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/108.239.231.67|contribs]]) </small>
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: Hello! Thank you for your message! Sorry for a late response. Wikitravel was under a vandalism attack on the 20th of May and lots of pages were broken. The problem was resolved within 5h and everything is fine now. If you happen to see something similar in the future, please let us know. Thank you for staying alert! Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (EDT)
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== Osaka, Kyoto and San Francisco Wikitravel gives 404 error not found ==
  
== Edit did not save ==
 
  
I recently added a location to Galveston's Do section but when I reloaded the page it was gone.
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http://wikitravel.org/en/Osaka
  
:If you are talking about the http://wikitravel.org/en/Galveston page on Wikitravel English, it seems that the edit you did with the Plesure Pier etc. is there, and seems fine to me? --[[User:OVK|OVK]] 08:48, 27 December 2012 (EST)
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http://wikitravel.org/en/Kyoto
  
Lucy is not from the northern section of Ethiopia. Please check this fact.
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Seems to give 404 error not found
  
Thank you.
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Is that an error which appear on other users' pc as well?
  
== Screwed up Ko Lanta ==
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http://wikitravel.org/en/San_Francisco San Francisco has a similar problem.
  
I mistakenly deleted a large portion of Ko Lanta (everything after "Diving") and now I am having difficulty figuring out how to fix the problem. Can someone help me put the page back as it was on 2012-12-26? --[[Special:Contributions/110.171.36.212|110.171.36.212]] 21:21, 28 December 2012 (EST)
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[[User:Harp|Harp]] ([[User talk:Harp|talk]]) 21:58, 20 May 2014 (EDT)
  
:Looks like you figured it out? Let me know if not!--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 15:43, 3 January 2013 (EST)
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: Hello Harp! Thank you for your message! Sorry for a late response. Wikitravel was under a vandalism attack on the 20th of May and lots of pages were broken. The problem was resolved within 5h and everything is fine now. If you happen to see something similar in the future, please let us know. Thank you for staying alert! Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (EDT)
  
== Armenia has introduced visa waiver for EU & EEA countries. ==
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== Errors show up in m.wikitravel.org ==
  
Armenia has introduced visa waiver for EU & EEA countries, please update the visa section of this article http://wikitravel.org/en/Armenia .
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Example:
Full list of countries whose citizens do not need to obtain entry visas for Armenia are available on Wikipedia here
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Armenia
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http://m.wikitravel.org/en/New_York_City
  
Thank you!
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Shows something like this at the beginning of each page:
  
== Please fix typo on the main page ==
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if(typeof(cachebuster) == "undefined"){var cachebuster = Math.floor(Math.random()*10000000000)}if(typeof(dcopt) == "undefined"){var dcopt = "dcopt=ist;"} else {var dcopt = ""}if(typeof(tile) == "undefined"){var tile = 1} else {tile++}
  
The heading "Antartica" should be "Antarctica". I would fix it but apparently don't have permission to edit.  [[User:Markoboston|Markoboston]] 19:05, 1 January 2013 (EST)
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This is only the case on the mobile websites and it is also the case in wikitravel shared. Is there any way to fix that bug?
  
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Thanks!  [[Special:Contributions/217.17.196.241|217.17.196.241]] 09:48, 2 June 2014 (EDT)
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:'''Also''' Click on that link. Then click on an image (e.g. [[:File:New_York_City_District_Map.png]] at http://m.wikitravel.org/en/File:New_York_City_District_Map.png ), then try to click on the image itself and you'll get an error ( http://m.wikitravel.org/upload/shared//5/5a/New_York_City_District_Map.png ) The proper URI is http://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//5/5a/New_York_City_District_Map.png (minus the "m" subdomain). [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 11:48, 2 June 2014 (EDT)
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:: Thank you for the messages! Yes, tech team is aware of those problems and they are working on fixing them. If you find any other bug in the mobile version, please let us know. Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 13:17, 2 June 2014 (EDT)
  
:Bothered me too -- I just saw your note here but fixed it independently. I won a 5th grade spelling bee getting that extra C in there ;)
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== link to www.discoverydiversresort.com ==
:As to editing privileges, yes, we do protect the main page due to the potentially huge exposure to vandalism. Hope you understand, and thank you much for letting us know about the error! --[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 15:32, 3 January 2013 (EST)
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== problem with print version of Hanoi, Vietnam page ==
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This link appears to have been hijacked by Corto Del Mar Hotel or Booking.com
  
The Hanoi information does not print properly. Plaese fix.
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Please delete current link and insert correct link to Discovery Island Resort and Dive Center at www.discoverydiversresort.com or same resort at booking.com - many thanks
Thanks.
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Discovery Island Resort
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info@discoverydiversresort.com
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[[Special:Contributions/203.84.185.186|203.84.185.186]] 00:16, 4 June 2014 (EDT)
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:I checked the link in the [[http://wikitravel.org/en/Coron Coron]] article but there all seems to work ok, where did you see the incorrect link? Thanks! [[User:Adzas|Adzas]] ([[User talk:Adzas|talk]]) 10:21, 4 June 2014 (EDT)
  
:What problem are you having? I just printed it and it came out fine...--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 15:37, 3 January 2013 (EST)
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== Hate speech on the page 'Malaysia' ==
  
== Safety for first year students at UCT any problems as we are in jhb and our son is going to attend cut and we have no immediate family in cape town ==
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The page 'Malaysia' (http://wikitravel.org/en/Malaysia) contained unacceptable Islamophobic hate speech.
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'another noisy islamic shithole country in Southeast Asia'; 'YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RESPECT MUSLIMS/MALAYS. They are islamic supremacists.'; The religion of islam is a parasite on civilized nations and muslims are the nastiest loudest filth ever to infest this world.' (all from the paragraph 'Understand');
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'Now malaysia is a loud noisy shithole country thanks to the brainwashed wailing muslim monkeys. It's 10.15pm and you can still hear the wailing apes at night. Noisy noisy noisy.' (from 'History')
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'The only politics in this noisy shithole islamic country is monkey muslim malay politics.' (from 'Politics')
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'Malaysia is in the far eastern region (southern tip). Far, far away from the arab, iranian, paki scum.' (from 'Geography')
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'Malays also breed like rabbits. It is not uncommon for a couple to breed 8 to 15 little muslim fucktards.' (from 'People') etc. etc.
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This is extremely offensive, racist and Islamophobic. I have removed the sections I saw from the article, but there might still be more of this awful hateful twaddle. It should never have been published in the first place. This really needs looking into. Thank you for reading my comment![[User:Ben Trovato|Ben Trovato]] ([[User talk:Ben Trovato|talk]]) 12:50, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
  
We are concerned for our first year going to university of cape town and his physical safety
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: Hello Ben! We are aware of the situation on Malaysia's page. If the thing continues we'll probably protect the page. Regards, [[User:GiulioC|GiulioC]] ([[User talk:GiulioC|talk]]) 05:11, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
  
:This is not really a message board type of website; I would suggest perhaps posting your concern on the [http://wikitravel.org/en/Talk:Cape_Town Discussion page of the Cape Town article] and see if anyone responds; alternately, you can view the [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Cape_Town&action=history history of revisions] and see if there are any regular local contributors who you could leave a message for on their Talk Pages.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 14:37, 7 January 2013 (EST)
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:Hate speech is not allowed on Wikitravel. We will continue to revert such edits, and block access for anyone who makes them. Feel free to contact me on my talk page if you see other vandalism. [[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 19:10, 30 June 2014 (EDT)

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Wikitravel upgrade 1.22.2[edit]

Hello all, We're excited to announce that Wikitravel will be upgrading its software! In order to migrate Wikitravel's extraordinary database of travel information, we'll be putting the site into read-only mode starting Thursday, 20 Mar 2014 at 5pm PST and running it for about 3-4 days. No edits will be possible at this time. When we come back, we'll be better than ever.

We’re moving to 1.22.2 version of MediaWiki. Here is a page that lists the changes. I also put together my own list with the changes that are visible to regular users. I believe this list is more easy to grasp.

Changes between 1.20 and 1.22.2 Media Wiki Software[edit]

IPs, Registered users, Admins:

  • Create an account page has new look and feel (more colors and shows on the right side stats for the # of edits, pages and recent contributors on Wikitravel)
  • Simplified search bar with vector skin only as an option, instead of “Go” and “Search” buttons.
  • Add Listing and Edit show on the top left side of the sections (previously at the top right corner)
  • Pop-up message “Your edit was saved” after making an edit and clicking “Save”.
  • When comparing revisions in the article history where noting was changed in the article, you notice a message "(No difference)" at the top middle part of the screen.
  • Left navigation bar subsections are now collapsible.
  • A pop up message is now displayed when the user attempts to leave the edit page with unsaved changes, on browsers supporting dialogs. Message says: This page is asking you to confirm that you want to leave - data you have entered may not be saved.”

Registered users and Admins:

  • Log in page is more new look and feel (colorful and neat).
  • Watch pages just by clicking on the star icon in the top right menu. Now you are not redirected to a different page and you don’t have to go back to the article after clicking “Watch”; you stay all the time on the same page. If the star icon is blue it means you’re watching the page.
  • New option in Account Preferences- User profile- Internationalization: “How do you prefer to be described?”

Admins only:

  • Mark as patrolled" link available on any patrollable page or revision, without having to go to Special:RecentChanges or Special:NewPages. You stay all the time on the same page.
  • Cascading page protection levels other than "Allow only administrators". New option: “Autoconfirmed users”.


Please let us know if you have any questions. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:39, 20 March 2014 (EDT)

Wikitravel is upgraded[edit]

Dear community! Wikitravel was upgraded successfully! Now you can edit the site again. If you see any bugs or issues, please report them below and I will be checking them and reporting to our tech team. Thank you for your cooperation! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:00, 25 March 2014 (EDT)

Why do you track users?[edit]

I think Wikitravel is a great thing, especially in view of the "sell-hotel-rooms, get kickback" commercialisation of publications like Lonely Planet. This one, on the other hand, has the potential to become ever more useful to all of us as users contribute their knowledge and experience. People will do that more readily if the whole thing is in the spirit of open collaboration -- the operative word being open.

I would therefore like to know why a Google Analytics tracker is issued by Wikitravel pages without informing the reader. That looks like secretive un-Wiki-spirited behaviour. But if it is beneficial for the users that you analyse what people read about, where will you publish the results of your researches?

Robert (New Zealand)

124.248.130.237 16:19, 13 April 2014 (EDT)

Analytics are a standard tool for almost all websites. They do not track users, they allow us to see where users are coming to the site from and tailor Wikitravel to everyone's needs. --IBobi talk email 16:35, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Technical request[edit]

DMOZ Links in the sidebar include collaborating with the Open Directory Project. E.g. the English guide to Indianapolis guides users to the link directory from ODP. This project has recently made a push to be branded as "DMOZ" which is an older and more popular name for the site. I'd like to request that this be changed to reflect that community's branding. Koavf (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Hi Justin! DMOZ has been dead for over 6 years now. There is no value for the traveler to keep their links in the sidebar. Therefore, we're in the process of removing them from the site. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
Dead For what it's worth, I edit there some. It's hard to track their metrics, as they are not as open a project as MediaWiki-based ones are. Should I remove links to DMOZ? Koavf (talk) 20:40, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
That would be great! How to do it? I would be happy to help. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 21:11, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
Linking There is just little code at the end of articles which reads "[[Dmoz:North_America/United_States/Indiana/Localities/I/Indianapolis/]]" you just remove it (as I did on en) and it's gone. So the only external link we're keeping is Wikipedia? Koavf (talk) 21:42, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
Right, we only want to keep Wikipedia. With the removal of DMOZ I was wondering if there is a way to remove all the links at once instead of doing it manually? The problem is we have many references to DMOZ on various language versions of WT and it would be very time consuming to do it manually. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 12:10, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
DMOZ removal For what it's worth, DMOZ is not dead and there is discussion there about keeping links on Wikitravel (requires a login). I'm sure a bot can be written to remove dmoz: links but even if you don't, you can just disable them and they will immediately stop displaying. Was there any discussion about removing DMOZ and World66 links anywhere? Koavf (talk) 20:48, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
We still have links to World66 in our articles. What we removed are links to Wikitravel Extra because the site is inactive now and users could read Site is under construction. The discussion about DMOZ was held long time ago (in 2006). Lots of users in the community did not want to keep links to DMOZ but nothing was done at the end. Now, as I see DMOZ is "dead" and not really updated for many of the pages. Also, many link over there are not active anymore. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:42, 18 April 2014 (EDT)

Technical edit[edit]

en Main Page At en's Main Page, there is a link to Wikitravel Extra. I've tried to remove all references to Extra and Wikitravel Press throughout the language editions but there's some trickery going on there which makes it have a different sidebar. I can't figure out how to remove the link to Extra. Can someone help? Koavf (talk) 23:24, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Yes, en Main Page is an html (not a wiki page) and tech team would have to remove it. I will ask them for that. Best, IBAlex (talk) 12:11, 17 April 2014 (EDT)

Updates on technical requests above[edit]

Please edit These requests are a month old: I know the English Main Page edit is simple. If you still think DMOZ links should be removed, then that can be done manually by users over time. As far as I'm aware, they're really only in de, en, and nl. Koavf (talk) 19:29, 15 May 2014 (EDT)

Koavf, our IT team will be removing them all at once from all the pages so that there is no need in doing that manually. A couple weeks ago they told me that they removed the links already, however, yes, I see that links to Open Directory are still in some of the articles. I've been working with the IT to remove them completely. I will let you know once it's done. Thank you! IBAlex (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2014 (EDT)
Koavf, IT just told me that all the links were removed at once from the pages. I checked several articles and I don't see them anymore. You? Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:21, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
DMOZ I no longer see DMOZ links but the link to Wikitravel Extra is still on en's Main Page. Koavf (talk) 15:11, 29 May 2014 (EDT)
I asked IT team to remove the empty link as there is no point in having it on the HP. Thanks, Justin! IBAlex (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2014 (EDT)

How does place name Category system work?[edit]

I see that Category:United Kingdom contains many city names, followed by county, eg Category:United Kingdom contains Category:Sheffield (county). Sheffield is in fact a city, not a county. The Category:United Kingdom also contains Category:South Yorkshire which in turn contains Category:Sheffield (South Yorkshire).

I also see that http://wikitravel.org/wiki/shared/index.php?title=Special:Categories&dir=prev&offset=St._Mary_Lake%2C_Glacier_National_Park%2C_Montana%2C_U.S.&limit=500 lists 'Sheffield?? (2 members)', 'Sheffield, ENG?? (2 members)' and 'Sheffield, UK?? (1 member)'.

Where should images of Sheffield go?

I also see that http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Shefftownhall.jpg has the claim 'There are no pages that link to this file', when the file is in use on the page http://wikitravel.org/en/Sheffield

How does place name Category system work?

Is it possible to allocate an image to a category, or change the image's category and if so how?

Thanks. Martin Bacon (talk) 22:10, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

Hello Martin Bacon! Thank you for your message and for drawing our attention to this issue. Indeed, many picture categories need to be reorganized. The reason we have so many confusing categories is because over time users did not know how to organize pictures correctly and administrators did not correct the mistakes. I'm here to help so I would gladly organize all the pictures related to Sheffield correctly. We would have to delete several incorrect categories and leave only one. My question is which one? Please let me know which one is best to keep and i will help organize the pictures. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:17, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

Portland (Oregon)[edit]

Hello! For some reason your article for Portland, Oregon isn't working. —The preceding comment was added by 24.255.63.35 (talkcontribs)

Hello! Thank you for your message! Sorry for a late response. Wikitravel was under a vandalism attack on the 20th of May and lots of pages were broken. The problem was resolved within 5h and everything is fine now. If you happen to see something similar in the future, please let us know. Thank you for staying alert! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

http://wikitravel.org/en/Kyoto 404 pathetic, insulting, stupid[edit]

what is wrong with your website? http://wikitravel.org/en/Kyoto seriously? —The preceding comment was added by 108.239.231.67 (talkcontribs)

Hello! Thank you for your message! Sorry for a late response. Wikitravel was under a vandalism attack on the 20th of May and lots of pages were broken. The problem was resolved within 5h and everything is fine now. If you happen to see something similar in the future, please let us know. Thank you for staying alert! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

Osaka, Kyoto and San Francisco Wikitravel gives 404 error not found[edit]

http://wikitravel.org/en/Osaka

http://wikitravel.org/en/Kyoto

Seems to give 404 error not found

Is that an error which appear on other users' pc as well?

http://wikitravel.org/en/San_Francisco San Francisco has a similar problem.

Harp (talk) 21:58, 20 May 2014 (EDT)

Hello Harp! Thank you for your message! Sorry for a late response. Wikitravel was under a vandalism attack on the 20th of May and lots of pages were broken. The problem was resolved within 5h and everything is fine now. If you happen to see something similar in the future, please let us know. Thank you for staying alert! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

Errors show up in m.wikitravel.org[edit]

Example:

http://m.wikitravel.org/en/New_York_City

Shows something like this at the beginning of each page:

if(typeof(cachebuster) == "undefined"){var cachebuster = Math.floor(Math.random()*10000000000)}if(typeof(dcopt) == "undefined"){var dcopt = "dcopt=ist;"} else {var dcopt = ""}if(typeof(tile) == "undefined"){var tile = 1} else {tile++}

This is only the case on the mobile websites and it is also the case in wikitravel shared. Is there any way to fix that bug?

Thanks! 217.17.196.241 09:48, 2 June 2014 (EDT)

Also Click on that link. Then click on an image (e.g. File:New_York_City_District_Map.png at http://m.wikitravel.org/en/File:New_York_City_District_Map.png ), then try to click on the image itself and you'll get an error ( http://m.wikitravel.org/upload/shared//5/5a/New_York_City_District_Map.png ) The proper URI is http://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//5/5a/New_York_City_District_Map.png (minus the "m" subdomain). Koavf (talk) 11:48, 2 June 2014 (EDT)
Thank you for the messages! Yes, tech team is aware of those problems and they are working on fixing them. If you find any other bug in the mobile version, please let us know. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:17, 2 June 2014 (EDT)

link to www.discoverydiversresort.com[edit]

This link appears to have been hijacked by Corto Del Mar Hotel or Booking.com

Please delete current link and insert correct link to Discovery Island Resort and Dive Center at www.discoverydiversresort.com or same resort at booking.com - many thanks

Discovery Island Resort info@discoverydiversresort.com

203.84.185.186 00:16, 4 June 2014 (EDT)

I checked the link in the [Coron] article but there all seems to work ok, where did you see the incorrect link? Thanks! Adzas (talk) 10:21, 4 June 2014 (EDT)

Hate speech on the page 'Malaysia'[edit]

The page 'Malaysia' (http://wikitravel.org/en/Malaysia) contained unacceptable Islamophobic hate speech. 'another noisy islamic shithole country in Southeast Asia'; 'YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RESPECT MUSLIMS/MALAYS. They are islamic supremacists.'; The religion of islam is a parasite on civilized nations and muslims are the nastiest loudest filth ever to infest this world.' (all from the paragraph 'Understand'); 'Now malaysia is a loud noisy shithole country thanks to the brainwashed wailing muslim monkeys. It's 10.15pm and you can still hear the wailing apes at night. Noisy noisy noisy.' (from 'History') 'The only politics in this noisy shithole islamic country is monkey muslim malay politics.' (from 'Politics') 'Malaysia is in the far eastern region (southern tip). Far, far away from the arab, iranian, paki scum.' (from 'Geography') 'Malays also breed like rabbits. It is not uncommon for a couple to breed 8 to 15 little muslim fucktards.' (from 'People') etc. etc. This is extremely offensive, racist and Islamophobic. I have removed the sections I saw from the article, but there might still be more of this awful hateful twaddle. It should never have been published in the first place. This really needs looking into. Thank you for reading my comment!Ben Trovato (talk) 12:50, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

Hello Ben! We are aware of the situation on Malaysia's page. If the thing continues we'll probably protect the page. Regards, GiulioC (talk) 05:11, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
Hate speech is not allowed on Wikitravel. We will continue to revert such edits, and block access for anyone who makes them. Feel free to contact me on my talk page if you see other vandalism. IBobi talk email 19:10, 30 June 2014 (EDT)

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