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::I'm gonna give you a do-over... think that one through again, and then I won't hold it against you when you want to delete it and start thinking before asking :) &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 04:50, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 
::I'm gonna give you a do-over... think that one through again, and then I won't hold it against you when you want to delete it and start thinking before asking :) &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 04:50, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 
== Blanking talk pages ==
 
 
So, there was recently a bit of a kerfuffle over [[User:Edmontonenthusiast]] blanking his talk page.  The current guidelines suggest that "in general", comments are archived instead of deleted, but this is (IMHO) not an ironclad rule and I don't think the community has any right to attempt to ''enforce'' this via blocks and protections.
 
 
In my view, it's the user's page and they can do what they want with it; the history is still there if you want to dig it up. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 01:41, 7 January 2009 (EST)
 
 
: I'm with Jani on this one - while I think there is great value in keeping a record of all warnings, guidance, etc that has been provided to a user, and while I think it's very disrespectful for a user to unilaterally wipe out that information, if it's the user's page then they have that right.  It's also worth noting that I don't think any admins have necessarily acted inappropriately as Wikitravel intentionally leaves room for personal interpretation in the [[Wikitravel:How to handle unwanted edits]] policy, but I ''do'' suspect that consensus would be to leave a user's personal pages alone unless they are clearly inappropriate (spam, hate speech, etc). -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 02:08, 7 January 2009 (EST)
 
 
::Hmm, this does contradict some previous practice, where we have policed user talk pages when users have blanked them. The guidance at the deletion policy (''We don't usually delete discussions, even on user talk pages, so these will generally be left in tact if anyone other than the user has commented'') is also a bit at variance with this. So I'll dissent&mdash;I think it's important that troublesome users not delete discussions that are relevant to the rest of the community. We are, though, having this discussion in two places &rarr; [[Wikitravel:Deletion_policy#Deleting_articles_in_personal_namespaces]]  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 03:02, 7 January 2009 (EST)
 
 
:::I'll add that in this case I'd be inclined to archive his talk page to my own userspace and link that on my userpage.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 03:04, 7 January 2009 (EST)
 
 
::::Mmm, I think I disagree guys. I would normally look the other way and not really care, if there's not interesting stuff being deleted. But with a user who is constantly raising a ruckus, I think it's important that new users or ones that are unfamiliar with his patterns be able to see those conversations easily when they click on his talk page. Yes, history is there, but that's unlikely to go noticed. Our sometimes hardline approach to some of this user's edits look strange, unwelcoming, and possibly unwarranted to someone who's unfamiliar with the situation, and the quickest way they'll become familiar if they're curious is by seeing the discussions on his talk page. I feel pretty strongly that at the very least they are archived and linked to at the top of the user's talk page. I don't really see any reason ''not'' to enforce that, I think user talk pages where multiple people contribute are vastly different that just the user page &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 11:24, 7 January 2009 (EST)
 

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So, talk pages can really benefit from having the table of contents going, especially for long and disparate arguments.

I'd like to suggest using a section header:

==These are two cities==

These are actually two cities. --Somebody

    No they're not. --SomebodyElse

         Yes they are. --Somebody

to separate this stuff out, instead of the four-dash horizontal rules. This is also how the "Post a comment" feature works, so it'd be nice to be synched up. Any objections? --Evan 14:35, 21 Dec 2003 (PST)

RSS

I am a newer to wikitravel. I like the style of WikiTravel. I know that Wiki is a part of so-called web 2.0. Therefore, I am not sure that whether I can read any new item in wikiTravel through RSS viewer. If yes, what is RSS URL for wikiTravel. Thanks!

You can find the RSS for changes to Wikitravel here: http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss
Enjoy, --Evan 10:34, 17 Feb 2006 (EST)


A Free Overnight Option From Tokyo to Sapporo for Japan Rail Pass Holders

sorry I am new too. I read wiki about Sapporo and need to know this free overnight option because I plan to visit Sapporo in July. Would somebody explain to me how to get there "free overnight" from Tokyo to Sapporo in detail by using Japan Rail Pass? I got the timetable from Iko's place website, two express trains only run until midnight. Thaks for your help.

diyjapan/Emma

avatars/userpics for easier scanning?

I wonder why we haven't implement placing avatars (small pictures) next to user's comment in talk pages--similar to Livejournal's comments page: [1], or http://wow.ya.ru: http://anatolix.ya.ru/replies.xml?item_no=2072&parent_id=2101&with_parent=1#reply-Anatolix-2101. I believe it can make pages read much easier. Personally it takes extra effort to distinguish which phrase belong to which person, and where one comment ends and another starts.

It could look something like this: (assuming there's photos or user-chosen avatars instead of these pics--and of course we should allow only square, equal-sized images)


St. Basil2.jpg
I'm a Docent for Russia and Moscow where I live now, and for Altai where I was born and lived until age of 17. I can also help a bit on St. Petersburg as have many friends there, and being there myself several times. --User1
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I'm a Docent for Russia and Moscow where I live now, and for Altai where I was born and lived until age of 17. I can also help a bit on St. Petersburg as have many friends there, and being there myself several times. I'm a Docent for Russia and Moscow where I live now, and for Altai where I was born and lived until age of 17. I can also help a bit on St. Petersburg as have many friends there, and being there myself several times. --User2
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I'm a Docent for Russia and Moscow where I live now, and for Altai where I was born and lived until age of 17. I can also help a bit on St. Petersburg as have many friends there, and being there myself several times. --User3
St. Basil2.jpg
I'm a Docent for Russia and Moscow where I live now, and for Altai where I was born and lived until age of 17. I can also help a bit on St. Petersburg as have many friends there, and being there myself several times. --User1

I think we can implement it with a template call like {{user|DenisYurkin}} which can be invoked as a default signature. --DenisYurkin 04:23, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

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I definitely support this idea. It would make reading long discussions a lot easier. Texugo 06:05, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
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Support. If we can get the layout to work properly. --Jonboy 15:01, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Do you mean we already have some problems, or you foresee some? What kind of problems, specifically? --DenisYurkin 18:40, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh, I would love avatars. To me it just adds personality and can tell you about said person. I'd love that...for talk pages and on the users' page of course only. That would be funzies!!!! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 15:03, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Heinous signatures work too → – cacahuate talk 20:01, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
I know what you mean ;) although I don't think they work with unlinked words plus avatars add more. Keep smiling, ee
It is possible, but doubtfully desirable. And you didn't finish that sentence, avatars add more.... ?? – cacahuate talk 22:08, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm not sure that this is something that should necessarily be encouraged. They don't actually add content to the page, and for pages with lots of contributors, it would slow page load (the client has to load and render all of those images) and it might be extra work on the server transcluding templates, resizing images, sending out the extra stuff etc. (although I don't know a lot about the servers so I won't use that as an argument). Having said that, if people really wanted to do this, they could just do it, creating a template in their own userspace and transcluding it every time they make an edit in a discussion. Personally, I like the idea of using distinctive signatures better, it's more in line with the way discussions work here. JYolkowski 22:20, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Agreed on all points... I'm not coming out in full opposition quite yet, but I don't see a lot of added value, and it takes up a lot of space, and kinda distracts from the conversation. Custom signatures work well on Wikipedia, I'm in favor of those – cacahuate talk 22:29, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Actually, what about if we just used an avatar in our user pages, not talk pages? It'd just be in one page, so itd be easier and it's possibly different than the picutre of yourself. Keep smiling, ee talk 13:47, 13 November 2008 (EST).
I'm gonna give you a do-over... think that one through again, and then I won't hold it against you when you want to delete it and start thinking before asking :) – cacahuate talk 04:50, 15 November 2008 (EST)

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