Shouldn't this page list the other pages in the wikitravel: namespace? I'm trying to find some general discussion pages and/or links to a mailing list, but navigating the wikitravel: namespace is hard (I've done it mostly using recent changes now, which is sort of ugly).
A meta-frontpage in Wikitravel:About with lots of links would be a good place to start, I think. Although for discussions, I'm going to be a wiki blasphemer and say that a mailing list might be a better place to discuss general, non-page-specific issues about Wikitravel. My mailer is so much easier to use than a web form... --JZ
As a first entry page, I don't think it's all that important to discuss the wikitext standard. Consequently, I removed the link. --Evan 11:12, 20 Apr 2004 (EDT)
I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this inquiry but here goes---
I am currently building a web presence for a backpacker's eco-hostel near Juiz de Fora, MG, Brazil. The web site will address every major tourist attraction in Brazil and I plan on using a wiki to do it with. I know I and my wiki users will be able to do a very good job of showing the attractions Brazil has to offer. There must be people in other countries with projects similar to mine and yours. My proposition is this: instead of just trading links maybe,just maybe we might consider sending pages to each other to add to the pages on our home web sites. This would be easy to do using either the edit button and even easier if each wiki had a file upload mechanism like tikiwiki. This would add value( and content) to everyones' web site and help fill in the blank spots in our coverage also. I will be ready to implement this in about a month. At that time I will upload my base pages to your wiki. If you are interested in reciprocating please contact me. Thanks! GringoJack firstname.lastname@example.org
Unfortuneately your page on Monterrico only covers half of the hotels.
You might know that on the left side of the calle principal (the side of the Animal Desconocido) There are 4 Hotels which you do not mention.
El Delfin, La Sirena, El Hotel Cafè del Sol and the Eco Beach Place.
For Hotel Cafe del Sol please visit www.cafe-del-sol.com . you will notice that there is a new style of Hotels being created that will give Monterrico a more upscale imgage than it had 5 - 10 years ago.
Thanks very much for updating your page.
For all information I am ready to help
Thomas and Flor de Maria Stutzer-Rodrìguez
Hotel Café del Sol, Monterrico
double 160Q weekend 140 weekdays
triple 250 with view of ocean
cuadruple 250 Q
4-6 persons 300Q
Hey, I love that snazzy footer you guys are using. It doesn't appear to come stock in the MediaWiki installation.. how'd you do it? -- Sy
The credits block? It's standard in 1.3.x versions. Look in DefaultSettings.php for $wgMaxCredits. The default is zero, since Wikipedia didn't want to use this feature. --Evan 11:24, 2 Dec 2004 (EST)
I've added a link back to wikitravel.org to the About page, so that people can still find the original if they stumble on a clueless/careless mirror. (Example of the day: ). Jpatokal 01:12, 19 May 2005 (EDT)
Logbook - Empty pages
Someone suggested the Logbook is [a bunch of empty pages?].
I removed the comment because the Logbook has just not been updated recently. I have now updated the page to the end of the year. Hey, Thats tomorrow! -- Huttite 03:41, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)
I got impatient waiting for T-shirts. So I make a
Everyone can order a Wikitravel T-shirt. The markup is 0.
I hope someone can make a better design. But I will order my first Wikitravel T-shirt in a week. I had hoped to come up with a more eye-catching back, maybe using some of the more spectacular photos on wikitravel, but that is hard and a lot of work. --elgaard 20:39, 29 Sep 2005 (EDT)
Good start, but the logo font on the back is not the right one, and is all that explanation text really necessary? I'd go more for a bare-bones just-the-logo-ma'am model, and would be happy if a few bucks of markup went to Evan's (currently non-existent) donation box. Jpatokal 21:50, 29 Sep 2005 (EDT)
FWIW: If the font is wrong then that's not really the logo. -- Mark 12:02, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
I'm sorry that you got tired of waiting, but I can't say I'm happy about the situation. Elgaard, is there at least a way for you to make a note that that's not an "official" T-shirt, and that the money paid doesn't support the Wikitravel project? --Evan 08:08, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
Of course. Don't be sorry, I just wanted to get a T-shirt project going. I will order a T-shirt next week because I will be going to north America so shipping will be less. I hope we can come up with a much better, official Wikitravel design. Then I will order another T-shirt and close my Cafepress test-shop or hand it over. I added some text, hope you are more happy about that. --elgaard 11:56, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
Could we start a T-Shirt design contest page, like the logo contest page? --elgaard 12:04, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
I don't really see the point of a t-shirt competition; a logo somewhere on the shirt should suffice. Probably the thing that was bothering Evan wasn't the design so much as the possibility that people might think they were buying official Wikitravel merch'.
That said you should probably switch the logo on your shirt to the actual logo Image:Wikitravel logo bigtext.svg. This has the text converted to outlines so that you don't have to have the right font. The shape of the letters by the way is considered part of a logo. It's not the same without it. -- Mark 09:11, 5 Oct 2005 (EDT)
Mayby I put too much text on it. But a logo is not enough. I want people to see it, get interested, start using Wikitravel and contributing. This means that there should at least be a URL. The URL can be guessed or googled but if we do not print it on the T-shirt, many will not be looking on the internet for wikitravel. I would also like somthing on the back, simple like WikiPedia. Maybe "Edit this destination"?. And should we have Official Wikitravel merch? --elgaard 10:06, 5 Oct 2005 (EDT)
Fine, but please at least fix the logo. -- Mark 10:09, 5 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I fixed the logo, and made a simpler design with only the logo on the front. --elgaard 19:42, 5 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I got my T-shirt. I am very pleased with it, the new logo looks great on cotton. But I was hoping we could get an official Wikitravel T-shirt. Is there any plans for that? --elgaard 11:08, 27 Oct 2005 (EDT)
The statistics page says that we have more than 6500 articles. Considering that it was hovering around 5500 on saturday, it looks like a bug to me, unless someone really dedicated added over a thousand while the spam attack was going on. I would of course be happy to learn that the earlier numbers were wrong and we really do have that many articles. --Ravikiran 04:00, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)
You're right, Wikitravel:Multilingual statistics says it was still 55xx on Friday. On the Japanese version, we noticed that it now counts redirects as articles for some reason, has the same happened in English for some odd reason? Jpatokal 05:30, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)
That must be the problem. I'll look into it and see if I can come up with a fix. --Evan 11:42, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)
Any progress? Otherwise we'll soon be in the embarrassing situation of having the 'official' total multilingual article count top 10,000 while the actual number is still only around 8,500. Jpatokal 02:30, 24 Oct 2005 (EDT)
Bump. Any progress? Jpatokal 00:17, 14 Nov 2005 (EST)
I ran a "recount" script on all of the language versions; it seems to have re-settled the counts to pre-upgrade ranges. So, I think this should be OK now. --Evan 09:22, 14 Nov 2005 (EST)
On de:, redirects seem to be counted as articles, too. I have anounced the 1500th de: article in the logbook, but actualy, I don't believe it. We have had a couter jump of about 120 articles at 9 October without any editing. -- Hansm 07:52, 23 Nov 2005 (EST)
Well, the same recount that worked for en: was done for de: and all the other language versions. The count you have is as accurate as I can give. --Evan 09:10, 23 Nov 2005 (EST)
Well, then we have 1500 articles. Anyways, just a number. -- Hansm 09:34, 23 Nov 2005 (EST)
No really, who are you?
Looked through the FAQ and couldn't find an answer to this question. There's all sorts of fluffy talk about it being "your" wiki, and you make it what it is. But who pays for the server and network resource? What's the business model? I need to know that there's a sound business model to know that the site will have continuity that means it's worth contributing to. Duckbill 12:33, 12 Dec 2005 (EST)
There is no "business model". It's not a business. Right now User:Evan and User:Maj pay for the hosting out-of-pocket. If for some reason they can't do that any more at some point in the future somebody else could very easily take it over. You could for instance, since you have all of the data, and a license to use it. -- Mark 12:40, 12 Dec 2005 (EST)
I would have thought Evan and Maj pay for the hosting and the rest of the Wikitravel contributor community volunteer to maintain the website by mutual agreement was a business model. If Duckbill is concerned about the continuity of the project then he only need ask if Evan and Maj are prepared to continue to pay the bills and hope that the community will be prepared to continue to support Wikitravel. Judging by the community activity and enthusiasm at present, I feel the risk of failure is probably less than some major companies in the stock market. -- Huttite 03:07, 13 Dec 2005 (EST)
I agree with User:Duckbill. It would be good to have an article that says who Wikitravel is organisationally, who pays the bills, the relationship with Wikimedia Foundation projects, etc. It's not that I lack confidence or don't like the way it's done now, I just want to be sure there's no dark corner there with surprises lurking in it. I'd support creating an article and starting it with Mark's posting of 12:40, 12 Dec 2005 (EST) above. JimDeLaHunt 13:34, 24 Dec 2005 (EST)
Wikipedia's sister project
If you insist your goals in creating WikiTravel cannot be met using Wikipedia, why not register WikiTravel as a sister project to Wikipedia? It would increase your visibility and help people looking for travel info.
It's not quite as simple as "registering". Wikipedia and its sister projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation, and Evan & Wikitravel's admins (currently?) don't need its support. Jpatokal 23:12, 9 Feb 2006 (EST)
Why is there an external link to a Firefox search plugin on this page? It was added by a user who has made no other contributions  and seems somewhat questionable for such a visible Wikitravel page. It's already listed under Wikitravel:Software tools, so is there any objection to removing it from this page? -- Ryan • (talk) • 03:04, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
Given the lack of objection I've removed the link. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:02, 15 March 2010 (EDT)
In April 2006, Wikitravel was acquired by Internet Brands, Inc., an operator of consumer information Web sites.
In April 2006, Wikitravel was acquired by Internet Brands, Inc., an operator of consumer information Web sites.
Given that the link was properly formatted and to the obvious primary source, can anyone justify the removal, please? --Ttcf (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2014 (EDT)
WikiTravel was mildly relevant in 2003 when founded. Today, it's a medium quality ad farm that offers no exclusive content. Travelers cannot book flights, rooms or meals here. To do that, one MUST leave the site. The best WikiTravel can do is to provide links to businesses and better maintained aggregators. Why would a volunteer care to look up the web addresses of hotels and restaurants when every local area already has other well-maintained lists, and when Internet Brands is taking in the ad revenue? Customer reviews are critical to travelers, but WikiTravel does not offer that. Wikipedia works because it offers unique content. WikiTravel is basically boring. GaryGo (talk) 21:35, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
Thanks for your perspective, Gary.
Do you have any suggestions (perhaps for those like myself who are both mildly addicted to improving this guide and also don't wish travellers to be left either ignorant or with out of date or false information)?
PS:Running the servers doesn't come free of charge, so IB does need the ad revenue to justify carrying on with the project to their shareholders... --Ttcf (talk) 04:23, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
As I mentioned, travelers cannot make reservations and visitors cannot leave comments. The suggestion is to make WikiTravel more interactive. GaryGo (talk) 07:14, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
We did actually have a tie up with Orbitz and their reservation system for a while. We were never told why it stopped, but there has been an increasing culture of censorship and secrecy over the last two or three years.
We did also have a bit more flexibility with Wikitravel Extra too, but that dwindled away due to lack of active participation and inadequate signposting from the main site. --Ttcf (talk) 07:32, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
Gary, Wikitravel has never had a goal to become a booking portal. We are an online travel guide, built with the spirit of sharing knowledge. You can read about the places you're planning a trip to; you will find information about the culture, history, ways to get in to your destination, best means of transportation, places to see and places to eat and sleep. It's your first place to do the research about the city/ country you would like to go to. Then, you can decide on the specifics of your trip (airlines you will take or which hotels you will stayed at). This part of the trip planning is absolutely individual and we leave it up to the traveler. As already mentioned, Wikitravel is a place to share knowledge with other travelers in the community and this actually means that our guides have very unique content. We hope you stay with us. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:08, 23 April 2014 (EDT)