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This page contains lists of articles and images which are recommended for deletion. Any Wikitraveller can recommend an article or image for deletion, and any Wikitraveller can comment on the deletion nomination. Articles and images are presumed guilty until proven innocent. After fourteen (14) days of discussion, if a consensus is reached to retain an article, it won't be deleted. Otherwise it will be deleted by an administrator. Please read the Nominating and Commenting sections prior to nominating articles/images or commenting on nominations.

See also:

Contents

Nominating

The basic format for a deletion nomination is the following:

===[[Chicken]]===
* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Please follow these steps when nominating an article or image for deletion:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion. If you are unsure, bring up the issue on the talk page.
  2. For the article or image being proposed for deletion, add a {{vfd}} tag so that people viewing the article will know that it is proposed for deletion. The {{vfd}} tag must be the very first thing in the article, right at the very top, before everything else.
  3. Add a link to the article or image at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article or image per entry.
  4. If you're nominating an image for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikitravel... many images are located on Wikitravel Shared, in which case they should be nominated for deletion over there instead.

Commenting

All Wikitravellers are asked to state their opinion about articles and images listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

===[[Chicken]]===
* '''Delete'''.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* '''Keep'''.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion.
  2. You may vote to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If your opinion is that the article should be kept or redirected, please state why. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not

After fourteen (14) days of discussion, there will probably be consensus one way or the other. If the consensus is to keep, redirect or merge, then any Wikitraveller can do it. If you are redirecting, please remember to check for broken redirects or double redirects as a result of your move. Remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion as described in the next section.

If the result is delete, then only an administrator can delete. Check if any article links to the image or article in question. After removing those links, delete the image or article. However, if the image is being deleted because it has been moved to the shared repository with the same name, do not remove links to the images, as the links will be automatically be pointed to the shared repository.

Archiving

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, move the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

If the nominated article was not deleted, then place another (identical duplicate) copy of the deletion discussion on the talk page of the article being kept or redirected.

December 2007

Image:EXCURSIONSvtttttt.jpg

Copyvio ~ 203.144.143.4 14:04, 17 December 2007 (EST)

No licence ~ 203.144.143.4 00:35, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Copyvio with what? Where is the original? --Nick 08:26, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Cenotes of the Yucatan Peninsula

An anonymous user nominated this page without comment. It does, however, appear to be a feature rather than a destination, as the possibility of finding lodging in an underwater cave seems somewhat dim. Besides, the various caves are not physically grouped together.

  • Delete and put the general information in the Yucatán Peninsula article and the specific information in the article of the nearest city.Texugo 01:56, 18 December 2007 (EST)
And on second look there is already an itinerary article for Cenotes of the Yucatán that could also absorb any additional information.Texugo 02:01, 18 December 2007 (EST)
So Merge and redirect? Pashley 02:23, 18 December 2007 (EST)
Redirect for sure, with optional merge, but not clear to where. Might "Cenotes of the Yucatan" be the correct root article, consistent with our naming conventions as regards diacriticals? Unless I miss something, the diacritical-free name should be preferred under most conditions. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:11, 18 December 2007 (EST)
Merge and Redirect Move photos to other pages. The Cenotes of the Yucatán article is a good one and I can imagine helpful to a visitor.
Delete Photo's have no license. 65.24.110.210 15:36, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Pazhamthottam

  • Delete. Looks like it is a small village with no accommodation. Can't sleep there.--Wandering 12:57, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Western area and Southern region

  • Delete - When I think of cardinal directions given absolutely no context, the first thing I think of just doesn't happen to be Sierra Leone. How about you? Texugo 22:30, 21 December 2007 (EST)
  • Western area - Delete ~ 203.144.143.6 08:36, 24 December 2007 (EST)
  • Southern region - Keep and redirect to South ~ 203.144.143.6 08:36, 24 December 2007 (EST)

Image:Viking ship in Stockholms strom.jpg

cc-by-sa-2.0 ~ 203.144.143.6 18:31, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Keep. These is no consensus on deleting images that comply with versions >1.0 of CC by-sa. Jpatokal 02:30, 3 January 2008 (EST)
You might as well argue that there's no consensus on deleting images that conflict with Shared:Copyleft. Wikitravel:Image policy#Copyleft & Shared:Image_policy#Summary both state: licenses must include the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License Version 1.0 ~ 61.7.183.208 03:48, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Lauterbrunnen Valley.jpg

cc-by-sa-2.5 ~ 203.144.143.6 18:47, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Actually, looks like this one was uploaded by the original photographer, which means that now it's available under CC-by-SA 1.0 and 2.5. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 05:06, 29 December 2007 (EST)
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lauterbrunnen-valley.jpg says: This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.5 License. In short: you are free to share and make derivative works of the file under the conditions that you appropriately attribute it, and that you distribute it only under a license identical to this one. (my emphasis) - I only looked quickly but couldn't find anything additional here or here or here ~ 58.8.213.154 14:30, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Image:800px-NYCT O7 HEV.jpg

cc-by-sa-3.0 ~ 203.144.143.6 18:59, 23 December 2007 (EST)

203.whatever appears to be right. We cannot accept images under CC-by-SA version numbers other than 1.0. In the short term, the solution may indeed be to (with regret) delete some images. In the longer term, we need to look for ways to fix the licensing mess, ideally move the wiki to 3.0. Discussion at Wikitravel talk:Copyleft#GFDL and Creative Commons Pashley 03:23, 27 December 2007 (EST)
Keep. These is no consensus on deleting images that comply with versions >1.0 of CC by-sa. Jpatokal 02:30, 3 January 2008 (EST)
You might as well argue that there's no consensus on deleting images that conflict with Shared:Copyleft. Wikitravel:Image policy#Copyleft & Shared:Image_policy#Summary both state: licenses must include the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License Version 1.0 ~ 61.7.183.208 03:54, 5 January 2008 (EST)
That's right, and it can be argued that the CC by-sa 2.0 license includes all of 1.0 and then some, in the same way that PD images also grant all the rights of CC by-sa 1.0. Jpatokal 22:33, 5 January 2008 (EST)
  • Strong keep. 61 is right to point out that our practices don't align well with the text at shared:copyleft, but it would be a huge mistake to start deleting images licensed under later CC attribution and attribution-sharealike licenses. We have loads of such images and it would be a shame to delete them. More importantly though, they fulfill all our licensing needs without violating any of the essential promises of our copyleft. And since we specify licensing for individual images on Wikitravel, we are using these images properly per their licensing requirements. I agree that we should try to allow CC 3.0 licensed text on our site—compatibility with Wikipedia would be a huge improvement—but that's a separate issue. Some revisions to the text of the copyleft article may be in order, though. --Peter Talk 16:47, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Image:0-Plan-NAN3NB.png & Image:0-Plan-NAN3NBres.png & Image:NANMap.png

Copyvios. ~ 203.144.143.6 19:18, 23 December 2007 (EST)

January 2008

Image:Chopta2.jpg and Image:Chopta.jpg

  • Delete. Copyvio -- the second image comes up twice in the first page of GIS]. Contributor marked images as his own. -- Colin 20:47, 2 January 2008 (EST)

SkiWelt

  • Delete. Seems to be a resort of some sort. Is there a policy on stand-alone resorts that are not a part of a town?--Wandering 18:17, 4 January 2008 (EST)
  • Hmm, this one's tough. According to this, SkiWelt is enclosed by the Wilder Kaiser valley on one side and the Brixental on the other. One ski pass covers the 250km of pistes, over 90 cable cars and lifts and in excess of 70 mountain huts in which to take a break. ... The area includes the villages of Scheffau, Soll, Ellmau, Going and Itter on the Wilder Kasier side and the villages of Brixen, Hopfgarten, Westendorf and Kelchsau on the Brixental side. So is "SkiWelt" just a marketing name for the region, and thus best redirected to the region article...? Jpatokal 22:46, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Keep (but MOS)It does look like a ski region with numerous resorts and 'pretty Tyrolean villages'. I guess it is a marketing name tied to the region but is it across one region or many? I notice a number of resorts with pages listed in Winter sports in Austria so, I guess, resorts are acceptable. In which case, a marketing name for a ski region should be acceptable too, especially if that name is better known than the region name.--Wandering 13:16, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Travel agent

Per Wikitravel:What is an article? ~ 124.157.250.159 09:00, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Icc5.jpg

Copyvio ~ 124.157.250.159 09:10, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Metro 4 logo.jpg

Logo ~ 124.157.250.159 09:17, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Barcelona/Born

Image:California.San-Diego.Tijuana-Border.78.400.jpeg

"GFDL 1.2" ~ 203.144.143.4 23:10, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Fountain.jpg

No copyright/licence information. ~ 203.144.143.4 03:16, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Image001.jpg

Image:Cenotehole.jpg + Image:Zaci.jpg + Image:Zaci2.jpg

No copyright/licence information (per #Cenotes of the Yucatan Peninsula) ~ 203.144.143.6 16:07, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Image:DSC00343.JPG + Image:DSC00347.JPG

No copyright/licence information (see also #Pazhamthottam) ~ 203.144.143.4 16:21, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Kedainiai5. 2007-05-06.jpg + Image:Kedainiai12. 2007-05-06.jpg + Image:Kedainiai14. 2007-05-06.jpg

Uploaded to Wikitravel as CC-BY-SA-all + GFDL, but GFDL only at source (Wikimedia Commons). ~ 58.8.212.199 17:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Beirut/Manara

Completely blank stub, not linked to from Beirut ~ 203.144.143.4 02:24, 10 January 2008 (EST)

  • Delete Wikipedia lists a Manara in Israel by the Lebanese border, but nothing for Beirut. --Wandering 16:53, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Walking around the New Town in Warsaw & Warsaw/New Town

The first is a completely blank itinerary, created September 2006. Seems the only reason it was created was to fix a broken redirect from the second, which was previously an empty outline article. ~ 203.144.143.4 03:59, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Skiing in Lebanon/... x 6

Skiing in Lebanon/Cedars
Skiing in Lebanon/Faqra
Skiing in Lebanon/Faraya Mzaar
Skiing in Lebanon/Laqlouq
Skiing in Lebanon/Qanat Bakish
Skiing in Lebanon/Zaarour

Content has been moved to Skiing in Lebanon#Resorts. ~ 203.144.143.4 09:08, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Hattiesburg spotlight.jpg

  • Delete Recognizable people in image. --Wandering 23:15, 12 January 2008 (EST)

European turkey

Incorrectly capitalised blank page that's not part of the Wikitravel article hierarchy ~ 203.144.143.4 15:43, 14 January 2008 (EST)

  • Delete, does not fit anywhere in the hierarchy --Nick 02:04, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Green travel

  • I'm all for a Green travel article but this is just pushing an online travel agency. I'd say "keep" if someone can figure out how to organize it. Otherwise delete. --Wandering 15:56, 14 January 2008 (EST)
  • Delete unless someone contributes an outline and some meaningful content. ~ 203.144.143.6 16:16, 14 January 2008 (EST)
  • Keep as a travel topic; remove mentions of specific travel agency (2nd and 3rd paragraphs), but mention that such agencies exist. Leave the article as stub and let it grow naturally, as more contributions appear. --DenisYurkin 16:19, 14 January 2008 (EST)
  • Keep but needs work As people are becoming more aware of the environmental impacts when they jet off around the world this page has to be written, more for moral ground than anything else, there are plenty of ways to minimize your impact while you travel the globe, everyone must have one or two, clubbing together (which really is what Wikitravel is all about) could produce an outstanding article to help guide people to travel both responsibly and enjoy it! Prof Jack 06:55, 17 January 2008 (EST)
  • Keeps and rework as travel topic --Nick 02:08, 20 January 2008 (EST)

朗伊爾城

A {{vfd}} tag was added 6 June 2007 [1] but as no pages link to it [2] I presume it was never listed here; see also Talk:朗伊爾城 ~ 203.144.143.4 03:03, 15 January 2008 (EST)

  • Delete Tis a wedge with a very thin edge! --Wandering 16:46, 16 January 2008 (EST)

North weald airfield

Per Wikitravel:Votes for deletion/March 2007#North weald airfield - two votes to delete, non opposing, but it wasn't deleted. ~ 203.144.143.4 03:09, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Ohio Lodges and State Parks

A {{vfd}} tag was added 11 June 2007 [3] but as no VFD/archive pages link to it [4] I presume it was never listed here. ~ 203.144.143.4 03:21, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Not sure what happened here. --Peter Talk 04:23, 15 January 2008 (EST)
Aha, it wound up here, and I think this article should have been deleted, but got lost along the way. --Peter Talk 04:27, 15 January 2008 (EST)
Delete' Whoops, had wrong article. All has been moved to Ohio State Parks. 2old 09:31, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Manchester/Didsbury

A {{vfd}} tag was added 17 August 2007 [5] but as no VFD/archive pages link to it [6] I presume it was never listed here. ~ 203.144.143.4 03:29, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Manchester/Fallowfield

A {{vfd}} tag was added 17 August 2007 [7] but as no VFD/archive pages link to it [8] I presume it was never listed here. ~ 203.144.143.4 03:29, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Gps rental

Per Wikitravel:What is an article (was created as an advertisement for www.gpsrentals.co.nz) ~ 203.144.143.4 08:04, 15 January 2008 (EST)

  • Delete Rentals, if meaningful, should be in specific country/city articles. --Wandering 09:53, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Temuujin

Per Wikitravel:What is an article ~ 203.144.143.4 10:48, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Roehampton

  • delete/merge a part of the London borough of Wandsworth. Delete or merge into South West London.--Wandering 15:05, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Aurora area cvb

Pedu

  • Delete (or merge into region article) A lake with apparently one resort on an island. --Wandering 13:10, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Walking around the Jewish Quarter in Warsaw

Do we need to keep blank itineraries that no one is working on?--Wandering 14:01, 18 January 2008 (EST)

London/Penge

I'd recommend merge/redirects for these London neighborhoods—even if a neighborhood is split across districts, you can always redirect to [[City#Districts]] --Peter Talk 20:14, 18 January 2008 (EST)
I agree with Peter, might as well redirect since someone might search for it. Pashley 02:15, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Screm serve

Per Wikitravel:What is an article ~ 203.144.143.4 21:13, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Template:QuestionOnYourEdit

  • Delete. I think it's much more favorable to personal with questions, etc... I don't think we should get into creating a ton of communication templates for talk pages. – cacahuate talk 23:38, 18 January 2008 (EST)
  • Keep Some people may find it useful, so why not. It's standard and simple and anyone could easily type the same text. I assume one doesn't have to use it. --Wandering 15:20, 19 January 2008 (EST)
  • Delete. I suppose its nice to have a standard way of questioning an edit but it is hard enough keeping track of the templates and special pages anyway and this doesn't add a whole lot. --Wandering 12:46, 19 January 2008 (EST)
Wandering, if you believe it's nice to have a standard way of questioning an edit--why can't we work further on the template to make it easier to use (and choose a better name for it)? --DenisYurkin 12:57, 19 January 2008 (EST)
Let's think about it. The plus side of having a template is that the question is then framed neutrally, which, I think, is important. The minus is that most people will not know about it and the odds are that most people will not use it. Do you have an example of how it will work in practice and what does wikipedia do?--Wandering 14:02, 19 January 2008 (EST)
I only used the template once: SUBSTed it in [9] which invited Texugo to comment on [10]. --DenisYurkin 19:33, 19 January 2008 (EST)
As for Wikipedia, I would rather refer to Wiktionary templates (which is still bit too formal): wiktionary:Category:User_warning_templates. Wikipedia practice is really formal and templates-intensive; I don't think we want to go that far: wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. --DenisYurkin 19:33, 19 January 2008 (EST)
  • Keep. It is useful; it saves time for a non-native speaker contributor; it helps to keep all article-related discussions on article talk page instead of scattering them across user talk pages. See also discussion that preceded the creation of the template. --DenisYurkin 12:57, 19 January 2008 (EST)


  • Just to clarify, my issue is with using templates in this manner at all, not whether the discussion takes place on the article talk page or a user talk page. I think it's impersonal (and on top of that lazy) to use templates for things like this rather than just typing a sentence. Denis, your English is fine, you don't need templates to get your point across ;) Wandering, I'm not vfd'ing this template just because I don't find it useful, but more because I don't think it sets a good precedent, and will almost certainly lead to more... My overall question is whether we want to start introducing a ton of generic communication templates, and I'm clearly voting no  :) – cacahuate talk 15:34, 21 January 2008 (EST)
  • Well, for myself the choice (depending on whether the template exists) will be whether to address user on his talk page in addition to leaving a msg on article's talk page, or to not bother with talk:user and only use talk:article. I'd rather use my limited time on contributing more content to more articles than spending it on composing personal messages every time I have a comment on someone's edit. In reality, it is more likely that I will still use the same impersonal and neutral message, but instead of invoking a template I'll copy-paste the text from my user's page--and it will still take more of my time. And I would like that other contributors rather spend more time on articles rather on composing personal messages (or not address other users personally at all). --DenisYurkin 16:20, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Money changer in bnagalore

Per Wikitravel:What is an article ~ 203.144.143.4 11:53, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Arcomagno Beach, Praja.jpg

Conflicts with Wikitravel:Image policy#People in photos ~ 203.144.143.4 13:55, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Port Stephens

A harbor not a town or city. --Wandering 21:06, 19 January 2008 (EST)

  • Keep as a disambiguation page. ~ 203.144.143.4 01:36, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Beylerbeyipalace.jpg

Uploaded to shared. WTDuck2 13:20, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Mufasa

Spambot created; no such place. ~ 203.144.143.4 01:47, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Bagan lalalng

Mispelling of Bagan Lalang, does not look like a common error that might be made a redirect. Pashley 05:53, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Add1.jpg & Image:Add1.jpeg & Image:Add1.JPG

Display ad for Insurance agency.

  • Delete. 2old 16:02, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Image:EgyptmapL.gif

Copyvio, copied from the commercial web site http://www.somabay.com/, see for instance http://www.somabay.com/pages/about.html (click on the map to get the enlarged one). -- Unger 01:32, 22 January 2008 (EST)

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