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::So what's mine is yours, but what's yours is only for you if you change your mind because of something which as far as I can tell does not effect our relationship a tiny little bit.  That's the thing, you still don't seem to understand.  IB may own the servers this site runs on, and may own the trademark to the name, but you and I and the others still own the content, and we always have.
 
::So what's mine is yours, but what's yours is only for you if you change your mind because of something which as far as I can tell does not effect our relationship a tiny little bit.  That's the thing, you still don't seem to understand.  IB may own the servers this site runs on, and may own the trademark to the name, but you and I and the others still own the content, and we always have.
 
::So, I suppose that there are scads of my work showing up in a certain other project, and you know what: That's tough, but the license is the license is the license. You are free to use my work wherever you like because I understand that the stand I took for Free Content is the stand I meant to take. -- [[User:Mark|Mark]] 09:58, 9 January 2007 (EST)
 
::So, I suppose that there are scads of my work showing up in a certain other project, and you know what: That's tough, but the license is the license is the license. You are free to use my work wherever you like because I understand that the stand I took for Free Content is the stand I meant to take. -- [[User:Mark|Mark]] 09:58, 9 January 2007 (EST)
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:::You realy seem to be pretty [http://wikivoyage.org/general/Talk:Fork_FAQ militant], but not neccessarily for freedom. We still expect your apology. -- [[User:Hansm|Hansm]] 04:18, 14 January 2007 (EST)
 
* I'm abstaining from this vote, for now, but I have a question for everyone that's voting delete out  of courtesy.  Hypothetically, if I get all pissed off at you guys (especially [[:User:Evan|Mr. Prodromou]] - I might as well join the bandwagon) for not telling me the domain and servers are owned by IB, or because IB starts advertising with the annoying blinking ads saying I was the  10,000,000th million visitor and won some non-existent Playstation 3, and I demand all the photos I own the copyright to be removed from the WT sites do you extend the courtesy?  What if I demand that you delete ''every'' single contribution I made?  I'm worried that we're becoming a little too courteous.  In the past couple of months we've become increasingly accommodating, so much so I can't tell where we draw the lines between being reasonable and trying to protect people from their inability to read the ''By clicking "Save" below, you acknowledge that you agree to the site license as well as the following:'' line.  -- [[User:Sapphire|Andrew H. (Sapphire)]] 03:54, 7 January 2007 (EST)
 
* I'm abstaining from this vote, for now, but I have a question for everyone that's voting delete out  of courtesy.  Hypothetically, if I get all pissed off at you guys (especially [[:User:Evan|Mr. Prodromou]] - I might as well join the bandwagon) for not telling me the domain and servers are owned by IB, or because IB starts advertising with the annoying blinking ads saying I was the  10,000,000th million visitor and won some non-existent Playstation 3, and I demand all the photos I own the copyright to be removed from the WT sites do you extend the courtesy?  What if I demand that you delete ''every'' single contribution I made?  I'm worried that we're becoming a little too courteous.  In the past couple of months we've become increasingly accommodating, so much so I can't tell where we draw the lines between being reasonable and trying to protect people from their inability to read the ''By clicking "Save" below, you acknowledge that you agree to the site license as well as the following:'' line.  -- [[User:Sapphire|Andrew H. (Sapphire)]] 03:54, 7 January 2007 (EST)
 
** Here's my opinion, others probably feel differently.  There seem to be a lot of jobs that come up around here where some people say "I don't want to do it, but if someone else is willing to do it then I don't care if they do" ([[Special:Contributions/74.69.245.148]] comes to mind...), and generally someone else is willing to do the job.  In this case I don't mind tracking down Jens' images and deleting them from the site, and since he's asked us to do so it seems like the courteous thing to do.  If 10 people a week were asking us to remove their images, or if someone who had contributed hundreds of images was doing so, my willingness to accommodate them would be considerably less, especially since we have numerous notices about the site's licensing.  However, I also think that if we had 10 people a week asking for their contributions to be removed then we'd be talking about how to make people better understand the license, rather than whether to extend a courtesy to someone who should have read the license but didn't. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 04:24, 7 January 2007 (EST)
 
** Here's my opinion, others probably feel differently.  There seem to be a lot of jobs that come up around here where some people say "I don't want to do it, but if someone else is willing to do it then I don't care if they do" ([[Special:Contributions/74.69.245.148]] comes to mind...), and generally someone else is willing to do the job.  In this case I don't mind tracking down Jens' images and deleting them from the site, and since he's asked us to do so it seems like the courteous thing to do.  If 10 people a week were asking us to remove their images, or if someone who had contributed hundreds of images was doing so, my willingness to accommodate them would be considerably less, especially since we have numerous notices about the site's licensing.  However, I also think that if we had 10 people a week asking for their contributions to be removed then we'd be talking about how to make people better understand the license, rather than whether to extend a courtesy to someone who should have read the license but didn't. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 04:24, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Revision as of 09:22, 14 January 2007

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===[[Chicken]]===
* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

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* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Keep.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

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December 2006

Volunteer nepal

  • We could possibly turn this into an travel topic about volunteering in Nepal, but I think that would really be stretching it. Delete. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 11:15, 30 December 2006 (EST)
  • Delete; speedy OK. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:38, 30 December 2006 (EST)
  • Redirect to Nepal and ask the contributor to move the content to his/her user page. This is someone with a lot of excellent first-hand travel info and it would be a shame to loose it. I'll do a welcome message to explain our Wikitravel:Goals and non-goals. Maj 12:33, 31 December 2006 (EST)


Mexico City/Miguel Santa Fe

From the page, "* Delete. Miguel Santa Fe is not a valid place name, it doesnt even exist, it was a typo. The correct name is just Santa Fe. This page has no content. The correct stub has been created and is growing. Fabz 23:32, 30 December 2006 (EST)"

  • I'm transferring this from the page itself, since it belongs here. Haven't thought about it, so Abstain. -- Jonboy 00:03, 31 December 2006 (EST)

January 2007

Image:Pioneerpark.jpg and others

Image:Pioneerpark.jpg Image:Hermitscaves.JPG Image:Yancoag.jpg Image:Hydroleeton.jpg Image:Watertowerleeton.jpg Image:Roxywmleeton.jpg Image:Roxyleeton.jpg

  • Delete. Images uploaded by contributor who has performed a significant number of cut-n-paste copyvios with text. -- Colin 02:25, 4 January 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. At the minimum, the Leeton images are clear copyvios from here. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:55, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Pictures from User JensANDMarian

Please delete all pictures listed below. I uploaded all these Images and I am the sole copyright holder of all pictures. I uploaded these pictures to further the development of Wikitravel. However, since the Wikitravel domain (including its content) was sold and became an commercial site itself I am not willing to grant you the use of my work. JensANDMarian


  • Keep. Please reread the license you consented to and try to understand it. The license has always allowed commercial users to copy stuff from us and publish it -- just check out the list of other sites who are already reusing it for commercial purposes. Did you know that Wikipedia allows it too? Did you know that Wikipedia has never promised you they will not add ads to their web pages in the future? Also, it is not true that the "content was sold." The copyright for each piece of work you have ever contributed still belongs to you even though you cannot change the terms. Did you know that the new hosting company for wikitravel cannot ever change the terms for your uploads? Your uploads will always be free for anyone to copy. Anyone who wants will be free to copy EVERYTHING from Wikitravel and make their own site -- they always have been allowed, and always will be. So explain this to me again. If the terms for reusing material from Wikitravel are going to remain the same as they always have been, what is so darn evil about letting a commercial company pay for hosting our website? -- Colin 17:42, 6 January 2007 (EST)
    • Any non-inuse images are okay with me to delete. -- Colin 19:55, 6 January 2007 (EST)
    • All photos which were meant for your user page (and contain images of people) are okay with me to delete. -- Colin 02:32, 7 January 2007 (EST)
  • DELETE. The work was posted on WT in good faith at a time that WT was a "Wiki", but not owned by Internetbrands.com. Since I am the copyright holder of the pictures I am entitled to refuse you the rigths to use these pictures, because you did not tell me the whole story about commercialising WT in first place.
  • The reasons why I decided to disallow WT the use of my pictures is the conflict of interest of a commercial entity as Internetbrands.com and a travelguide.
  • Well on the other side my contributions are minor and do you think you are doing the reputation of Wikitravel a favour by retaining work on the server when the originator does not give his consent.
  • Colin , I can't comment on the future directions of Wikipedia, but as far as I can see Wikipedia resisted the tempation of going commercial for quiet a while and they retain a lively community supporting WP with donations and free work.
  • JensANDMarian 19:07, 6 January 2007 (EST)
    • Good thing Wikipedia was founded by a millionaire who had already made a ton of money in the web porn business and could finance something philanthropic. Of course, he has started a business to make money off this whole Wiki thing. It's just the encyclopedia which is philanthropic. Wikitravel lacked that sort of luck. -- Colin 19:55, 6 January 2007 (EST)
    • Colin: Can't comment if this is true or not, but your claim seems weird to me and it is off topic as well. I would appreciate if you could provide me with a link that Wikipedia was founded by a millionaire who had already made a ton of money in the web porn business. I have to say that your arguments are silly (unless you provide a link to a credible source). JensANDMarian 20:24, 6 January 2007 (EST)
      • See WikiPedia:Jimmy Wales. You are correct that the nature of his finances is offtopic. The only on-topic part is that he could afford to finance it. -- Colin 20:47, 6 January 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. This seems like an issue of courtesy, rather than legality, since legally it's clear that these images are being used in accordance with the CC-SA license that they were released under. While legally the images can be used here, I think it sets a bad precedent if a user who contributed content and then later asks that the content be removed is not allowed to do so - people add content here in good faith, and I think we should respect requests to remove that content if desired. However, JensANDMarian needs to understand that he has licensed his images under the CC-SA, they have been made available on the web, and if they appear elsewhere, even on a commercial site, he no longer has the legal right to retroactively change the licensing. -- Ryan 19:20, 6 January 2007 (EST)
    • What of the mirrors and the fork? Is he going to eliminate the images from them too? If he doesn't, then we can just copy his stuff right back from the Mirrors (or someone might). I really don't want to set this kind of precedent. I'm okay with deleting any images not in use. I'm okay with someone who misunderstands and changes their mind shortly after uploading. But years later? At the very least, if we're going to delete them then I want a commitment from JensANDMarian that he is going to ask each and every Mirror to remove them. -- Colin 19:55, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Colin thank you very much for very thougtful comments. I will try to eliminate pictures that have been uploaded by other sides and I hope you (Colin) and Evan will assist me in doing so. Re-loading of images from other sites that have been deleted on WT is very naughty, because you have been told off and your are not entitled to use them anymore.

Thank you very much for your future co-operation. JensANDMarian 20:44, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Check out Wikitravel:Mirrors which lists the mirrors we are aware of. Since your username is pretty unique, Googling for "JensANDMarian" results in nearly a thousand hits most of which are presumably related to your contributions (the number of sites will be less, of course) and may give you an idea of the scope of what you are asking. Also checkout our beloved fork, WikiVoyage which has also copied your stuff. Lastly, we are not in the habit of verifying the lack of naughtiness of our users, so it's entirely conceivable that some innocent user will find your images on a different site, note that the license is appropriate for copying back to Wikitravel, and will copy it. -- Colin 20:54, 6 January 2007 (EST)
Just to add another comment here, I'm in favor of deleting Jen's images that are currently on Wikitravel, but I'm COMPLETELY opposed to policing Wikitravel, the mirrors, or anywhere else to make sure these images aren't re-uploaded: Jens, you released them under the CC-SA, and they are on the web and available for anyone to use them under that license. In the future, if someone re-uploads one of your images here after grabbing it from another site, that's definitely not "naughty", that's legal under the terms of the license that YOU agreed to. Second, I don't expect Colin, Evan or anyone else to assist in deleting these images from anywhere other than Wikitravel - assuming other sites are providing attribution, they are using the images legally. Jens, again, if you want them deleted it's up to you to track down the images, and it's also up to you to convince site owners to delete content that they are legally using. -- Ryan 21:02, 6 January 2007 (EST)
Agree completely with Ryan. Deleting an image when requested by the person who uploaded the image is common courtesy, and we do it all the time, although usually for other reasons. But re-use of images elsewhere is explicitly allowed under CC-SA, and the genie is out of the bottle. Not only is it not our problem, it is by definition not a problem. Meanwhile, JensANDMarian, I hope that you'll take Evan up on his call for dialogue below. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:07, 6 January 2007 (EST)
I notice the images are also in use on de:. Whose job is it to tell the German Wikitravellers? -- Colin 21:12, 6 January 2007 (EST)
  • Abstain. JensANDMarian, under the license you used when you released the work, everybody -- including Wikitravel -- is allowed to use your work forever. Once you have given that permission, it cannot be revoked (per section 7b, Subject to the above terms and conditions, the license granted here is perpetual (for the duration of the applicable copyright in the Work).) That all said, if you're really sure that you want them removed, I think everyone would rather remove them than have a big problem with a longtime member of the community like you. Your contributions have been much appreciated and I'd be sad to see your very nice photographs go. However, I'd prefer that we actually talked about the issues that seem to have you upset, rather than taking this step. You've done a good thing sharing your work with the world, and I'd hate for that generous gesture to go to waste. Please talk to me on my talk page, User talk:Evan, if you have some questions, comments, or issues you'd like to discuss. --Evan 21:45, 6 January 2007 (EST)
  • Keep. VfD is not the right way to go about this: the images are fully CC-by-sa compliant. Jpatokal 23:59, 6 January 2007 (EST)
  • Keep. As others have said, the license does not allow for the retraction of rights. With the exception of Image:DSC01650.jpg, which seems to violate Wikitravel:Image_policy#People_in_photos. For that, I vote Delete. -- Jonboy 02:19, 7 January 2007 (EST)
    • He seems to mean all his pictures, which can be found through this link. JensANDMarian, can you please check that link and clarify if you mean to nominate all the other ones too? A number of his images were meant for his user page. -- Colin 02:32, 7 January 2007 (EST)
  • Delete, but keep if somebody copies them back in from one of the mirrors, especially if they come from Wikivoyage. I'm seriously confused as to why people who are unable to see that having IB own the right to host the site has changed exactly nothing, however it harms us not the least to comply with this request. Meanwhile the funny thing is that Lonely Planet and Microsoft still have Jens' and Maria's express permission to use the images, but not us. -- Mark 03:13, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Mark, other sites that use for example the KNP article from Wikitravel have done simply done a copy paste job. Once they update their Wikitravel article they will display the latest version of the Wikitravel article and if my images have been deleted they will put an update without those images on their servers. Therefore is it only a matter of time till all my images are removed from WT and sites that use articles and pictures from Wikitravel. Obviously, it will take some time till the last webpage gets updated, but it will eventually happen. JensANDMarian 10:18, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Free Content is what we're talking about here. You released your images under a Free license, and now that somebody you've never think you might not like owns the servers that those images are hosting you want to try to take that license back. I wish you would open your eyes to the simple fact that what you are doing is no different from say Caldera which released the Linux kernel under the GPL for years, and then suddenly changed their name to SCO and started a law suit and a nasty press campaign against big bad nasty old IBM for having -- "on no!" --- used the same license. You don't seem to understand this, but you are behaving exactly the same way.
I would, as many others here have, ask you to please read the license. I've been involved in Free Software (logiciels libre) for some time now, and am nearly militant about it. What I see happening here is that some guy who is a relative newcomer is out there running a disinformation campaign about one of the founders of this website, Evan.
So what's mine is yours, but what's yours is only for you if you change your mind because of something which as far as I can tell does not effect our relationship a tiny little bit. That's the thing, you still don't seem to understand. IB may own the servers this site runs on, and may own the trademark to the name, but you and I and the others still own the content, and we always have.
So, I suppose that there are scads of my work showing up in a certain other project, and you know what: That's tough, but the license is the license is the license. You are free to use my work wherever you like because I understand that the stand I took for Free Content is the stand I meant to take. -- Mark 09:58, 9 January 2007 (EST)
You realy seem to be pretty militant, but not neccessarily for freedom. We still expect your apology. -- Hansm 04:18, 14 January 2007 (EST)
  • I'm abstaining from this vote, for now, but I have a question for everyone that's voting delete out of courtesy. Hypothetically, if I get all pissed off at you guys (especially Mr. Prodromou - I might as well join the bandwagon) for not telling me the domain and servers are owned by IB, or because IB starts advertising with the annoying blinking ads saying I was the 10,000,000th million visitor and won some non-existent Playstation 3, and I demand all the photos I own the copyright to be removed from the WT sites do you extend the courtesy? What if I demand that you delete every single contribution I made? I'm worried that we're becoming a little too courteous. In the past couple of months we've become increasingly accommodating, so much so I can't tell where we draw the lines between being reasonable and trying to protect people from their inability to read the By clicking "Save" below, you acknowledge that you agree to the site license as well as the following: line. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 03:54, 7 January 2007 (EST)
    • Here's my opinion, others probably feel differently. There seem to be a lot of jobs that come up around here where some people say "I don't want to do it, but if someone else is willing to do it then I don't care if they do" (Special:Contributions/74.69.245.148 comes to mind...), and generally someone else is willing to do the job. In this case I don't mind tracking down Jens' images and deleting them from the site, and since he's asked us to do so it seems like the courteous thing to do. If 10 people a week were asking us to remove their images, or if someone who had contributed hundreds of images was doing so, my willingness to accommodate them would be considerably less, especially since we have numerous notices about the site's licensing. However, I also think that if we had 10 people a week asking for their contributions to be removed then we'd be talking about how to make people better understand the license, rather than whether to extend a courtesy to someone who should have read the license but didn't. -- Ryan 04:24, 7 January 2007 (EST)
  • Question for JensANDMarian: it appears that you are working on WikiVoyage, which is no doubt a fine project. But if you are uploading images there, then you are once again giving us rights to your images (you have read the license by now, right?). So do you plan on asking WikiVoyage to remove your images? -- Colin 15:17, 7 January 2007 (EST)
  • WikiVoyage is an separate issue and I have to discuss this with Hansm on the German site. JensANDMarian 10:18, 8 January 2007 (EST)
    • Jens, both sites are under the CC-SA license, so it is not a separate issue. Either you want to release your content under the CC-SA or you do not. You cannot make contributions to WikiVoyage and then request that those contributions not be used on Wikitravel - read Wikitravel:Copyleft and the text of the CC-SA license. The issue is whether or not you want your content under the CC-SA or not; if you do not, I vote to delete the images you've specified. If you DO want your content released under the CC-SA but do not want it used on Wikitravel then you are adding additional restrictions to the CC-SA license, which is not allowed, and therefore I would say we should keep your contributions on the site. -- Ryan 11:05, 8 January 2007 (EST)
  • Ryan thanks for your contributions in this discussion you raised some good points there. I will approach other websites that host my pictures and ask them to take off their website to prevent any confusion in that matter. But obviously I have to approach them individually and it will take a while till last user of this pictures is informed.

JensANDMarian 06:04, 9 January 2007 (EST)

  • Delete This is courtest as someone has already said. Many people supported Wikitravel because it was part of a non-profit company. Now it's not and lots of people, especially outside of the USA, have a BIG problem with this. We see information as being a resource which has no price and shouldn't be used for commercial gain. I'm sure that technically, if we wanted to be bastards, we could just grab the pictures again from another website but that would just be stupid. Xania 18:26, 7 January 2007 (EST)
    • Please re-read Wikitravel:Copyleft and the text of the CC-SA license. As Mark stated above, whether Wikitravel is commercial or not has absolutely no relevance - if someone releases content under the CC-SA license, it can (and probably will) be used anywhere, by anyone, provided they follow the terms of the license. Commercial sites, for-profit institutions, and unscrupulous individuals looking to make a quick buck have just as much right to the content as those without any commercial interest at all. I believe that it's a courtesy to remove someone's content if they request us to do so, but that content shouldn't have been released under the CC-SA license in the first place if the creator was unwilling to allow others to use it commercially. -- Ryan 18:35, 7 January 2007 (EST)
    • Xania, Why and how would it be stupid to use materials which are published under a license allowing us to use them? Do you think I get paid to work on Wikitravel? Do you think I'm in the USA? I'm not, but isn't that off-topic?
    • Why don't you go and talk to some repected people in Free Software in Europe about what they think about people trying to get out of a Free Software license after they've published some work under it? I know a few folks I can send you to.
    • For some reason somebody out there is unfairly branding our project as being somehow less than Free, and for some reason some people seem to be believing that. For some reason people are conflating non-profit with Free content. I think these people are just not paying attention. As far as I can tell the fact that several other sites exist which are based on this content prooves that Wikitravel is still a project to create a Free travel guide. -- Mark 10:48, 9 January 2007 (EST)
  • Keep all except for Image:DSC01650.jpg and user images. Deleting them would be to acknowledge the accusations that "the originator does not give his consent" (he did, but changed his mind later) and that we did not tell "the whole story about commercialising" - the copyleft and the cc-by-sa-1.0 license are pretty straightforward about telling contributors that their stuff "can be used for commercial ventures, advertisements, or other purposes (with some restrictions -- see privacy rights and publicity rights) without your direct control". It's not about being courteous or bastards~: Jen and Marian must learn to live with the fact that once the pictures were uploaded, they are no longer free to revoke the freedom they gave to others. By the way, Image:Elephant Walking.JPG and Image:Lion Walking.JPG were uploaded by Jpatokal, so why are they listed there too? -- Ricardo (Rmx) 21:25, 7 January 2007 (EST)
    • I've removed the two images you pointed out from the list. -- Ryan 21:38, 7 January 2007 (EST)
  • Keep Courtesy goes both ways. I haven't seen much from the person requesting deletion. Also, I'm perplexed why someone would claim Wikitravel is a "commercial" site. There is no chare or fee to use Wikitravel, and no advertising on the site (in fact, adverts are specifically banned from the pages). So there is nothing being "commercialized" here. The ownership structure of the backers of Wikitravel is basically irrelevant. SONORAMA 00:05, 8 January 2007 (EST)
  • SONORAMA: This is from the press release after Internetbrands acquired Wikitravel (please note that I uploaded my pictures at a time that the Wikitravel domain was owned by Evan and there was no obviouse talk that WT would go down that route that it went. At leaset I did not see it coming)

Business Model

Internet Brands recognizes that even the prospect of commercialization of some community driven sites, such as Wikipedia.org, has produced controversy among community members. Internet Brands believes the goals of the community can be facilitated and enhanced by thoughtful monetization strategies. For example, numerous wiki sites currently carry non-obtrusive, cost-per-click advertising in order to fund operating costs and future development.

The current Wikitravel site has no advertising, while World66.com has two types of monetization: Google adwords and link revenues from a hotel-booking partner. Over time and with community input, Internet Brands will consider context-relevant commercial links that would be consistent with the project's goals and that would enhance the overall utility of the site to users.

"The executives at Internet Brands have extensive publishing experience in protecting editorial integrity in online and offline environments," said Brisco. "The best of the traditional media, such as the leading newspapers, have successfully balanced protecting editorial integrity and accepting advertising for decades. With these two travel communities, we will look to Evan and Michele to continue to supervise the development of community editorial policies," said Brisco.

For your informations the full press relase can be found here: [http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=27587&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=845378}

JensANDMarian 07:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)

    • For what it's worth, you should eventually expect Google Ads or similar stuff to appear alongside the content. Gotta pay those hosting bills somehow! Other Wikis do this like the Star Trek wiki or Wiki Outdoors. -- Colin 00:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)
    • Don't forget WikiHow. Personally, I like how they handle their advertisements. If you're not logged in you'll see the ads, but if you are logged in you will not see the ads. That aside, this discussion isn't really about advertising, but deleting images. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 02:11, 8 January 2007 (EST)
  • Keep This is absurd. The photos were all released under the CC by SA 1.0 (and other licenses in some cases) and that has not changed. There is no way to put the lid on the box after they are released. You can only conform to the license. The time for decision was prior to uploading. You can not get mad and take your marbles and go home. The marbles no longer belong to you. I can understand that you do not like IB to own Wikitravel, but even they do not own the content! It is all released under CC by SA 1.0. Now, all of that said, I would not be against deleting any personal photos that are not being used in actual travel articles on Wikitravel. If you want to list those, I will delete them for you but the others are out of the box and will stay that way. And to be honest, there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. It's a done deal. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 08:36, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Brazilian community in florida

  • This is a little too fined grained and seems to be somewhat outside of Wikitravel's scope. Delete. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:02, 7 January 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. Wikipedia, maybe... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:28, 7 January 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 20:30, 7 January 2007 (EST)
  • Keep. I think it has potencial to grow -- User:odilamaria
  • Redirect to Miami - I'm not opposed to deletion since this doesn't meet the Wikitravel:What is an article? criteria, but it can't hurt to keep the content in history. -- Ryan 23:51, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Racism in germany

Not an article; obvious candidate for speedy deletion. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 19:24, 8 January 2007 (EST)

  • Redirect to Germany - I'm not opposed to deletion since this doesn't meet the Wikitravel:What is an article? criteria, but it can't hurt to keep the content in history. -- Ryan 23:51, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Kgalagadi Transfontier Park

Spelling mistake in the name. Should be transfrontier, not transfontier I have created Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park and copied the little available information over to the new page. Have also changed all existing article links to the new page. NJR_ZA 14:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)

  • Redirect to the article with the correct spelling. That's the norm for handling articles that are legitimate but have a spelling error in the name, the reasoning being that if somebody goofed when creating the article, someone else might goof when looking for it. I'm taking the liberty of the redirect, although the VFD discussion should remain open. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:42, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Istiklal Caddesi

A street in Istanbul, not even a district. Jpatokal 01:04, 12 January 2007 (EST)

Image:Opera_house.jpg

This is a tiny picture with no license stated. I've uploaded shared:Image:Sydney_Opera_House_Sails.jpg, a dual-licensed image I got from the Wikimedia Commons as a suitable replacement. -- Jonboy 12:51, 12 January 2007 (EST)

  • Delete. Jonboy's photo is more appropriate and doesn't have the licensing issue. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 00:05, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Image:Example.jpg

Uploader says the image is available under CC-by-SA 1.0, but I suspect that it's not and request for clarification have gone unanswered. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 18:05, 12 January 2007 (EST)

  • Why do you doubt the copyleft? I see nothing about the photo to suggest it's anything other than a personal image uploaded by the owner. There are some compositional aspects to it that say "amateur" rather than "professional" to me, and I can't find it on any other websites. I haven't made up my mind about a vote yet, but I'd like to know what's bugging you about the thing. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 00:03, 13 January 2007 (EST)
  • The toolbar buttons for inserting an image add example.jpg as the image. (You can test this by enabling the "Show edit toolbar" toggle on the "Editing" tab of your user preferences, then editing a page and clicking on the button that looks like a little landscape. We should probably swap it out for something useful, like a gray square that says "EXAMPLE IMAGE". --evanp 01:51, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Mahalatchimy karine

I have no idea what this is about, but I'm pretty sure it isn't a destination, itinerary or topic. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:03, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Sylt

Delete Content is "The Island Newschannel (german)" and a link. Don't know what it could possibly redirect to. Maj 21:27, 13 January 2007 (EST)

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