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Every article on Wikitravel has an associated '''talk page''' for discussing that article. Talk pages are not chat boards or comment areas; they're for coordinating editorial decisions, suggesting new material that should be considered, and generally collaborating on making a great article. For questions, comments, or personal stories about a destination or topic, check out [http://extra.wikitravel.org Wikitravel Extra].  
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Every article on Wikitravel has an associated '''discussion page''' for discussing that article. Discussion pages are not chat boards or comment areas; they're for coordinating editorial decisions, suggesting new material that should be considered, and generally collaborating on making a great article. For questions, comments, or personal stories about a destination or topic, check out [http://extra.wikitravel.org Wikitravel Extra].  
  
If you have new information for an article, by all means [[Wikitravel:plunge forward|plunge forward]] and [[Wikitravel:how to edit a page|edit that page]]. But if there are multiple people working on an article, it can help to use the talk page to divide up tasks and hammer out differences.
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If you have new information for an article, by all means [[Wikitravel:plunge forward|plunge forward]] and [[Wikitravel:how to edit a page|edit that page]]. But if there are multiple people working on an article, it can help to use that article's discussion page to divide up tasks and hammer out differences.
  
==Talk page formatting==
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==Discussion page formatting==
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You can get to the discussion page for an article by clicking on the '''discussion''' tab when reading an article.
  
You can get to the talk page for an article by clicking on the '''discussion''' tab when reading an article.
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You edit discussion pages just like editing any other page in Wikitravel; see [[Wikitravel:how to edit a page|how to edit a page]] for instructions. When using discussion pages, add new paragraphs '''at the bottom of the page'''.
 
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You edit talk pages just like editing any other page in Wikitravel; see [[Wikitravel:how to edit a page|how to edit a page]] for instructions. When using talk pages, add new paragraphs '''at the bottom of the page'''.
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If there are already conversations going on on that page, it can help to '''add a new heading'''.  You can either click on the '''<nowiki>[ + ]</nowiki>''' button next to the "edit" tab if it's there, or create the heading manually like this:
 
If there are already conversations going on on that page, it can help to '''add a new heading'''.  You can either click on the '''<nowiki>[ + ]</nowiki>''' button next to the "edit" tab if it's there, or create the heading manually like this:
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...so that there's a visual distinction between topics of discussion.
 
...so that there's a visual distinction between topics of discussion.
  
You should '''sign your posts''' on talk pages, so people know who they're talking to.  Just enter four tildes at the end of your comments ("<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>"), and it will turn into a signature with your user name, time and date.
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You should '''sign your posts''' on discussion pages, so people know who they're talking to.  Just enter four tildes at the end of your comments ("<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>"), and it will turn into a signature with your user name, time and date.
  
'''Responses''' to other people's talk '''should be indented'''. You can use a colon ("<nowiki>:</nowiki>") at the beginning of a paragraph to indent that paragraph. Responses to responses should be indented twice (two colons); responses to responses to responses get indented three times. Hopefully we don't get that much farther in a discussion, but if so, well, continue in that pattern.
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'''Responses''' to other people's postings '''should be indented'''. You can use a colon ("<nowiki>:</nowiki>") at the beginning of a paragraph to indent that paragraph. Responses to responses should be indented twice (two colons); responses to responses to responses get indented three times. Hopefully we don't get that much farther in a discussion, but if so, well, continue in that pattern.
  
 
==User talk pages==
 
==User talk pages==
 
 
The discussion page for a [[Wikitravel:user page help|user page]] is special; it's called a '''user talk page'''. You can use user talk pages to leave someone in particular a personal message. Don't forget that they're publicly accessible, and anyone can read them. Try to keep discussions about a particular article on that article's talk page, too.
 
The discussion page for a [[Wikitravel:user page help|user page]] is special; it's called a '''user talk page'''. You can use user talk pages to leave someone in particular a personal message. Don't forget that they're publicly accessible, and anyone can read them. Try to keep discussions about a particular article on that article's talk page, too.
  
 
==Travellers' pub==
 
==Travellers' pub==
 
 
If you have something to discuss about Wikitravel as a whole, the [[Wikitravel:Travellers' pub]] is a good place to put your comments. You can also add a talk-page style note to the [[Wikitravel:Logbook|Logbook]] by clicking on "Today's Log" in the left-hand nav bar.
 
If you have something to discuss about Wikitravel as a whole, the [[Wikitravel:Travellers' pub]] is a good place to put your comments. You can also add a talk-page style note to the [[Wikitravel:Logbook|Logbook]] by clicking on "Today's Log" in the left-hand nav bar.
  
Maximum altitude gain 5545m- Trekking begins after a 30 minute flight to Lukla from Kathmandu. This trek goes through Namche Bazar, the famous market town of the Khumbu region. On the way to Namche you will see your first distant views of mighty Mt Everest. Namche and its neighbors Khumjung and Kunde, are home to many Sherpas who have made their names synonyms with high altitude mountain climbing. Namche is a traditional trade centre at the height of 3440 m.. People from different villages in this area and even from Tibet gather here for various types of trading, especially on Saturdays for the local market. After having an acclimatization day in Namche and seeing marvelous panoramic views of snow-covered mountains like Ama Dablam, Thamserku, Kusum, kangaru, Lhotse, Nuptse, etc. you will find the awesome beauty is hard to explain in words. You will walk the route traveled by the famous mountaineers of the world for this is the route that leads to Everest Base-camp. Kala Pattar is a lofty shoulder of Pumori, reroute to Everest Base Camp. From here you will have breathtaking views of Everest and all her wonderful neighbors.
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==Requests for comment==
 
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If you think an issue needs more attention, you can add it to the [[Wikitravel:requests for comment|requests for comment]] page to get more attention on it.
Trip Information
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Duration of the trek: 20 Days
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Group Size: 2-5 people
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Specialty Categories:  Hikking and Trekking
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Max. Elevation: 5545m
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Trek Grade: Moderate + Fairly strenuous
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Best Season : September- October, March-April.
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Airfare Included: No
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Tour Customizable:  Yes
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Cost Per Person:  1365 US Dollar (USD)
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Itinerary in Detail
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Day 01: Trip commences in Kathmandu, introductions and formalities (Height : 1336m)
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Day 02: Sightseeing around Kathmandu Valley
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Day 03: Fly to Lukla (2800m) then trek to Choplung (Height : 2600m)
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Day 04: Monjo (Height : 2850m)
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Day 05: Namche Bazaar (Height : 3440m)
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Day 06: Rest day in Namche for acclimatisation - short morning hike
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Day 07: Thyangboche (Height : 3870m)
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Day 08: Rest day at Thyangboche
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Day 09: Dingboche (Height : 4360m)
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Day 10: Rest day in Dingboche - optional hike to ridge (Height : 3867m)
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Day 11: Lobuche (Height : 4930m )
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Day 12: Gorakshep (Height : 5288m)
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Day 13: Kala Patter (5545m) then to Lobuche (Height : 4930m)
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Day 14: Pangboche (Height : 3867m)
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Day 15: Khumjung (Height : 3780m)
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Day 16: Benkar (Height : 2600m)
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Day 17: Lukla (Height : 2800m)
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Day 18: Kathmandu by air (Height : 1336m )
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Day 19: Day in Kathmandu - sightseeing/shopping/optional rock-climbing at Balliju Cliff - additional cost
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Day 20: Trip concludes in Kathmandu.
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'10% discount for 2011 Nepal tourism year.
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Price Includes:
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01. Sagarmatha National Park entry permit
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02. Trekking permit if applicable.
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03. Land transportation to and from
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04. Accommodation in lodges during the trek
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05. A guide and required number of porter (s), Essential equipment.
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06. Airport pick up and drop.
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07. Safe Drinking Water
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08. 4 nights hotel in Kathmandu in B/B plan in kathmandu.
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09 Full board Meals while in the trekking
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10. TIMS (Trekkers Information Management System)
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11. Domestic air ticket Kathmandu-Lukla-Kathmandu
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Price Excludes:
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01. Personal expenses
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02. Insurance and Tips
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03. Emergency evacuation by Helicopter, Airport tax and custom clearance
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04. Alternative transportation in case of heavy rain, landslide
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==Etiquette==
 
==Etiquette==
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There are some points of etiquette in using discussion pages that have built up over the years. Here are a few:
  
There are some points of etiquette in using talk pages that have built up over the years. Here are a few:
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* Unlike everything else in Wikitravel, it's considered bad form to change someone else's posts on a discussion page even to correct spelling or grammar.
 
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* It's usually perfectly OK, though, to change something ''you'' wrote on a discussion page, for any reason. If you made spelling or grammatical errors, feel free to change them.  
* Unlike everything else in Wikitravel, it's considered bad form to change someone else's posts on a talk page -- even to correct spelling or grammar.
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* It's usually perfectly OK, though, to change something ''you'' wrote on a talk page, for any reason. If you made spelling or grammatical errors, feel free to change them.  
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* If, in the heat of the moment, you said something you regret, go ahead and change that, too.
 
* If, in the heat of the moment, you said something you regret, go ahead and change that, too.
 
* And, [[MeatBall:ForgiveAndForget|ForgiveAndForget]] when someone changes a nasty comment to something more civil and productive.
 
* And, [[MeatBall:ForgiveAndForget|ForgiveAndForget]] when someone changes a nasty comment to something more civil and productive.
 
* As an exception, it's impolite to remove a comment if someone's responded to it. It makes them look ridiculous.
 
* As an exception, it's impolite to remove a comment if someone's responded to it. It makes them look ridiculous.
* In general, conversations aren't deleted from talk pages but are instead archived when they are old or no longer relevant.  To archive discussions simply create a new page such as [[User talk:Mypage/Archive]] and copy the old discussions to it.
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* In general, conversations aren't deleted from discussion pages but are instead archived when they are old or no longer relevant.  To archive discussions simply create a new page such as [[User talk:Mypage/Archive]] and copy the old discussions to it.
 
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* It's best to wait until the page has grown quite long before archiving, and such archives should always be clearly linked from the principal discussion page, so that everything is easy to find. Avoid archiving discussions on destination and policy article talk pages. Archives should not be edited.
  
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==Rants==
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If you must rant, there are endless venues to do so in the internet. While everyone is entitled to a good one now and then, off topic rants on discussion pages will usually be reverted.
  
 
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Latest revision as of 09:55, 17 December 2013

Every article on Wikitravel has an associated discussion page for discussing that article. Discussion pages are not chat boards or comment areas; they're for coordinating editorial decisions, suggesting new material that should be considered, and generally collaborating on making a great article. For questions, comments, or personal stories about a destination or topic, check out Wikitravel Extra.

If you have new information for an article, by all means plunge forward and edit that page. But if there are multiple people working on an article, it can help to use that article's discussion page to divide up tasks and hammer out differences.

Contents

Discussion page formatting[edit]

You can get to the discussion page for an article by clicking on the discussion tab when reading an article.

You edit discussion pages just like editing any other page in Wikitravel; see how to edit a page for instructions. When using discussion pages, add new paragraphs at the bottom of the page.

If there are already conversations going on on that page, it can help to add a new heading. You can either click on the [ + ] button next to the "edit" tab if it's there, or create the heading manually like this:

==Names in Chinese==

...so that there's a visual distinction between topics of discussion.

You should sign your posts on discussion pages, so people know who they're talking to. Just enter four tildes at the end of your comments ("~~~~"), and it will turn into a signature with your user name, time and date.

Responses to other people's postings should be indented. You can use a colon (":") at the beginning of a paragraph to indent that paragraph. Responses to responses should be indented twice (two colons); responses to responses to responses get indented three times. Hopefully we don't get that much farther in a discussion, but if so, well, continue in that pattern.

User talk pages[edit]

The discussion page for a user page is special; it's called a user talk page. You can use user talk pages to leave someone in particular a personal message. Don't forget that they're publicly accessible, and anyone can read them. Try to keep discussions about a particular article on that article's talk page, too.

Travellers' pub[edit]

If you have something to discuss about Wikitravel as a whole, the Wikitravel:Travellers' pub is a good place to put your comments. You can also add a talk-page style note to the Logbook by clicking on "Today's Log" in the left-hand nav bar.

Requests for comment[edit]

If you think an issue needs more attention, you can add it to the requests for comment page to get more attention on it.

Etiquette[edit]

There are some points of etiquette in using discussion pages that have built up over the years. Here are a few:

  • Unlike everything else in Wikitravel, it's considered bad form to change someone else's posts on a discussion page — even to correct spelling or grammar.
  • It's usually perfectly OK, though, to change something you wrote on a discussion page, for any reason. If you made spelling or grammatical errors, feel free to change them.
  • If, in the heat of the moment, you said something you regret, go ahead and change that, too.
  • And, ForgiveAndForget when someone changes a nasty comment to something more civil and productive.
  • As an exception, it's impolite to remove a comment if someone's responded to it. It makes them look ridiculous.
  • In general, conversations aren't deleted from discussion pages but are instead archived when they are old or no longer relevant. To archive discussions simply create a new page such as User talk:Mypage/Archive and copy the old discussions to it.
  • It's best to wait until the page has grown quite long before archiving, and such archives should always be clearly linked from the principal discussion page, so that everything is easy to find. Avoid archiving discussions on destination and policy article talk pages. Archives should not be edited.

Rants[edit]

If you must rant, there are endless venues to do so in the internet. While everyone is entitled to a good one now and then, off topic rants on discussion pages will usually be reverted.

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