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This is where we determine whether an article is ready for be classified as Star status. Even though the criteria are fairly objective, it's good to get some additional eyes to look over a page and confirm that it's ready before elevating it to Star. For reference, here's the general description, from Wikitravel:Article status:

The article is essentially complete. It meets all of the above criteria. It follows the manual of style exactly or is the exception that proves the rule. Prose is not only near-perfect grammatically but also tight, effective, and enjoyable. It has appropriate illustrations, such as photos and a map. Enough breadth and depth of material is presented that anyone familiar with the subject of the article would have little to point out as absent. Future changes to this kind of article would reflect changes in the subject (e.g. a museum closes, a hotel price changes, a new airport is built) more than they'd require improvements in the coverage.

Objective criteria for Star status varies depending on the kind of article it is. For more concrete guidance on this, see:


If you feel that an article currently at Star status is no longer worthy, or never was to begin with, this is also the place to nominate to de-star an article.

Nominate

Star articles: Last minute checklist

  • The article must be complete — See definition above.
  • Grammar and spelling must be perfect — See definition above. Prose should be stylistically superior and effective.
  • Illustration: the article should be appropriately illustrated with pictures and a Wikitravel-style map, with all attractions marked.
  • Listings should be in alphabetical order — geographical order is also acceptable if it is deemed better.
  • No duplications: a listing should appear under one section only — if there is ambiguity, put it under the section that it most applies to.
  • Time and date formats: Use: M,Tu,W,Th,F,Sa,Su; "...daily" not "Daily..."; "midnight and noon" not "12AM and 12PM"; "AM PM" not "am pm". (Examples: "M-F noon-11PM" and "9AM-9PM daily").
  • Section introductions are not mandatory but should be present when they serve to improve a section.
  • Use "—" (mdash) for breaks in thought.
  • Use abbreviations for addresses, e.g., St, Ave, Ln, Blvd.


You can nominate any "guide" quality article you think is ready to be declared a "star". Please do not nominate an article if you know that it falls short of the criterion above — refer to the info box for a last minute checklist. If there are other nominations on this page, add yours to the bottom of the list. The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

===[[Article name]]===
This has everything we're looking for,
plus a swell kitchen sink. ~~~~

Having done this, please replace the {{guide...}} tag with

{{starnomination}}

at the bottom of the nominated article. You also need to post a note at the Wikitravel:Travellers' Pub to publicize your nomination — remember to tell people that partial critiques and even just a few quick words of support are welcome. These steps help draw attention to the article's nomination, improving the discussion as to whether it should be awarded star status.

Discuss

Please comment on whether you agree that the nominated article is ready, with a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion. If you think it's ready, a simple "Support" will do. If not, explain what you think is missing or not up to standards. You don't have to leave a detailed critique to vote on the star — partial critiques are welcome, and feel free to just voice your support for the hard work someone else has done.

===[[Article name]]===
This has everything we're looking for, plus a swell kitchen sink.  TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* The sink isn't properly formatted, and there are no "budget" places to sleep. ~~~~

After three weeks of discussion, if a consensus is reached, then that article becomes a star, and the discussion should be archived. Note that a consensus means that all outstanding objections should have been addressed and dropped; if issues remain then the discussion should either continue or, if they cannot or will not be addressed in reasonable time, the article should be added to the slush pile. Regardless of the outcome, it is useful to copy the nomination discussion to the article's talk page.

Archiving checklist

  • Remove the nomination discussion from this page and paste it to both the archives and to the talk page of the new star article;
  • Add the article to Wikitravel:Star articles;
  • Update the article status template on the article from guide to star;
  • Add {{title-icons|star-icon}} to the bottom of the article;
  • Add the article to the top of the list on the Main Page, and remove the oldest star article from the bottom of the list.

Nominations for Star status

For an archive of previous successful nominations please see Wikitravel:Star nominations/Archives.


Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Long Beach Simon's Town

Motivation: This is the first dive site to reach the stage where star nomination is appropriate (by my criteria), so I have nominated it to get feedback so that a standard can be set for dive sites. This site is reasonably typical of one of a range of site types. Pbsouthwood 13:36, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

My proposed criteria for star status for a dive site follow:

→ Moved to Talk page (Stefan)

Some edits have been done to keep formatting in line with modifications to Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Pinnacle, also a star nomination at this time, and which has has far more attention. Also a few content improvements. Still waiting for a direct comment on this one though. Peter (Southwood) Talk 16:21, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

Question: Are the points on the map designating the points of interest talked about in the article or do they simply designate the perimeter of the dive site? The reason I ask is that if they designate certain sites, like the Ferro concrete yacht wreck, it may be nice to have the site written on the map by its associated dot. I'm not a diver, so if it is not useful, then just ignore this. ChubbyWimbus 13:22, 9 January 2010 (EST)

Figueres

I'm putting this forth as I've put a good deal of effort to get it in line with all the required elements to be a Star article. Just now I've cleaned up the Get Out section to link to only live pages (which meant creating a good number of them) and have added a map. With this, I feel that it is ready for Star status. Primecoordinator 17:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Not yet. I haven't read through the article carefully, but a few problems jump out immediately. First and foremost, the article needs to have a Wikitravel-style map (Wikitravel:How to draw a map/Wikitravel:How to create a map), with all listings marked. If you are up to the task of finishing up the rest of the necessary tasks for star status, my hunch is that a mapmaker will be happy to volunteer.
Other issues that stand out while skimming: 1) contact details missing for many listings; 2) more description is needed for most listings outside the see section; 3) I think it would be desirable to add more eat and drink listings; 4) eat listings should be sorted by price.
I hope this is helpful, rather than discouraging, as it would be wonderful to have our first Spanish star article! At present, though, it seems to be "merely" a fine guide-status article. Surprisingly, we don't really have any star articles to look at that are a comparable size to Figueres, but Hilversum (pop. 80,000) might be a good example to look to, although it clearly is longer than the Figueres article should be. --Peter Talk 13:05, 10 March 2010 (EST)
Actually yes, it is discouraging as the standards for Star articles aren't evenly applied at all, no matter how spelled out it is. And how the hell do you rate something as a 'Not yet' before you've even finished it?!! I find that to be more an attempt to "be first" in reviewing as opposed to actually writing a proper review. As for the map, if I had known there were more specific standards on them, then I wouldn't have wasted my time, thanks... Many aspects of Wikitravel have been generally quite hard to find, so it's no wonder that certain areas are lacking content. Also, there are some Star articles that don't have maps. In regards to breaking down the listings for food and drink, that's rather insane beyond the hotels. This is a town of 40,000 people, not a metropolis like Barcelona with 2 million. Drinks are the same cost everywhere and food varies maybe 10€ between a "hi end" and "low end" restaurant. At this point, if someone else wants to take up the mantle and finish this out, such as the map, that would be great. Otherwise, I've spent more than enough time on it and you can continue to have Spain without any Star articles as Barcelona and Madrid seem to be stuck amidst infighting which it seems this community breeds more of than any sense of cohesion towards a better product. Primecoordinator 19:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm terribly sorry to have come across as discouraging, I really am just trying to give constructive criticism to help build a better product ;) (I couldn't care less about "being first"—I'm usually last.) I say not yet, because without having done a thorough read through, there are a couple obstacles that clearly stand in the way of star status (notably the map). The guidelines/criteria for star status are at Wikitravel:City guide status.
By the way, drink listings do not need price ranges, as you may see from reading other star articles. Also, which star articles do not have maps? They should be demoted if this is true. --Peter Talk 14:27, 10 March 2010 (EST)
Hey Primecoordinator, please do not be discouraged by this. It is a strong guide, but the demands for star status are rightly very high. Once you have an eye for star articles, it is quite easy to have a preliminary read, and to notice things that are missing. That is exactly what Peter did in a constructive way. It is very possible for small, little known destinations to reach star status: see Sheki (pop 65,000) and Nusa Lembongan (pop 8,000), as well as Hilversum, already mentioned. If a map is the biggest issue (I suspect it is), then I can help out by drawing it. What I obviously can't do though is place all the icons etc, so I would need your guidance on that. --Burmesedays 21:55, 10 March 2010 (EST)
Yeah, I can help with that when you pull it together. I've never used this mapping system and would need some guidance for for. Primecoordinator 09:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Support - Have uploaded a more proper map. Can provide the illustrator file if anyone feels like truing anything up. Primecoordinator 21:18, 04 April 2010 (UTC)
Also flesh out a proper History section Primecoordinator 21:20, 04 April 2010 (UTC)
Hmm. What is the base source you used for tracing that map please? There are no free sources I could find with that level of detail, and you have not indicated the source on the map mark up. Also, if you were doing this, it would have been nice tell me and I would not have wasted time. --Burmesedays 21:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
I posted a reply on the Talk page over a week ago and assumed that as you hadn't responded you had given up on me. Also, I was hoping to start with what you had created, but you only uploaded the png and not any svg file to work with that I could see. As to the source, it's based on my knowledge of having lived there, an aerial photo my wife took as a teenager (it's her home town), and cross reference with the city tourism guide. Some of this may appear off with the Google Map, which for some reason is incorrect in number of items. And yeah, the Open Street Map is practically non-existent. --Primecoordinator 11:51, 05 April 2010 (UTC)
The SVG is now uploaded (this would not normally be done until the map is finished). Just go ahead and use if it is helpful.

After a far from thorough read, I will try to post an audit list of what I think needs to happen to this article to get it to star standard.

  • Needs an opening paragraph that makes you want to go there.
  • Talk section needs wikilinks to Catalan and Spanish phrasebooks.
  • Get in section needs cities to be wikilinked, and the wikilink to Ryanair should be removed (there is no such article).
  • See section. All formal attractions need opening hours and admission prices. If no admission it should say so.
  • Do section. Is there no theatre or cinema in the town? Or anything else to do?
  • Buy section. Shops need opening hours and phone numbers.
  • Eat section. Restaurants need opening hours, phone numbers and prices.
  • Drink Section. Bars and Wineries need phone numbers and hours.
  • Sleep section. A sleeppricerange table would be good. All hotels need prices.
  • Stay safe section. Add the police station contact details and address.
  • Cope - no section at the moment. Hospital details would be good, plus libraries?
  • Contact - no section at the moment. Internet cafes? Post office? The area dialing code.

That's a start at least on specifics. Other small things, I have just gone ahead and changed. --Burmesedays 10:33, 5 April 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for the map. As to some items that you bring up:
  • Opening paragraph rewritten.
  • Talk linked out.
  • For Get in, not really sure what you're getting at. Is it standard style to re-link cities in Get In? And as for Ryanair, that should just link out to their main site, no?
A lot of the phone numbers just aren't going to happen. I'm not there currently and so it's impossible to look these things up as many of the places have no websites. I've added the ones that were easy to find. And answering the phone in general is a hit and miss thing. Most people just show up. I'll add the Cope and Contact sections when I get a chance as they're easy.
But, here's a large question for the community, in that why bother putting the exact prices for hotels? They change often, vary by season and nearly impossible to keep up to date. Shouldn't we do like most guides do and just keep them in general price ranges? I mean, people have to call or visit their website to make a reservation anyways so as long as they know that they're calling something in the Splurge range, that should be all, no? I ask this as when searching for hotels, even on their own websites the prices are never up to date, so I just ignore them. Seems like a useless, tedious thing to keep up on. --Primecoordinator 11:27, 06 April 2010 (UTC)
I suggest you do what you can with phone numbers. Some of the missing ones are easy - I just managed to find two with a Google search, eg TOT ART and Pastisseria Serra Lacasa. I appreciate that some may be harder. If they exist though a very large effort ought to be made to find them. An email to the local town council might be a good start.--Burmesedays 08:15, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

Bangkok/Yaowarat and Pahurat

I've put effort in this article to try to make it qualify for star status. It must be the best guide on this area, far better than the available commercial guides. --globe-trotter 09:51, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

  • Very close - I think this is a very solid nomination. The info is good, the map is great, and there seems to be a solid number of listings. But there are a few small things which stop me from giving a full vote of support - forgive the nitpicking, but it's necessary:
  1. The first, and really the most important one in my mind, is that many of the listings lack a proper amount of address info, just the street (I'll use Wat Chakrawat as an example, but there are others). I understand that a formal address may not exist (and even if it did, it might not be very useful in such a complex district), but surely there could be more info. Perhaps an intersection, or which two streets the place lies between? Something to give me a better idea of exactly where it's located.
  2. Purely aesthetic, but when I opened the article I was struck by the solid wall of text in the introduction. Could we divide that into a couple more paragraphs? Just so it doesn't look so intimidating...
  3. Two budget eat listings, Yen Ta Fo Je Hieng and Samrat, lack prices. Also, could we have one of those price range boxes in the Eat section, like the one you have in Sleep?
  4. Texas Hotel lacks contact info and prices. PerryPlanet Talk 17:43, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
Thanks for your input! Let me go at this case by case:
  1. I've tried to add descriptions to some of the listings, if you're still unsatisfied, let me know which listings you'd like to be improved. Getting addresses is really a headache, I've really tried my best to find any I can, so descriptions will have to suffice (especially with the temples).
  2. I moved a part of the introduction to "Understand" to make it feel a bit less intimidating. I hope that's okay.
  3. I've added prices to the 2 restaurants and added the price range box.
  4. I removed the Texas Hotel as it was added by someone else, but as far as I know it, I don't think its a great add anyway (and I cannot find contact details anywhere). --globe-trotter 19:48, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
Much better! I will support now! PerryPlanet Talk 20:07, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
A few suggestions/questions
  1. The intro appears almost only to talk about Yaowarat and not about Pahurat. Maybe one or two sentences about Pahurat could be added
  2. History: Teochew is the old spelling, should be replaced by Chaozhou
  3. It appears a bit random whether the name of listings are written in Thai as well. It could be considered to add the Thai name for more listings
  4. Are there no splurge restaurants in the district?
  5. There must be somewhere in the district where you can have a drink or a beer?
  6. Are there no splurge hotels in the district?, --ClausHansen 02:30, 18 July 2010 (EDT)
I'm with Claus on the consistency in Thai names, I know it's tricky since I tried searching for a few of them to have them added, with little luck - but if it all possible, that would be nice. One or two real drink listings would certainly be nice too. But none of those are really show stoppers if it isn't possible to add them, and there is already prose in the drink section... Oh, and nice work! --Stefan (sertmann) talk 09:40, 18 July 2010 (EDT)
  1. I've added a sentence about Pahurat in there (but it generally is the less visited and less interesting neighborhood of the two)
  2. Changed it to Chaozhou
  3. You're right that it seems a bit random. The idea I followed is: add it where I can find it. I don't speak Thai so for me its impossible to write it. For the ones listed, I got them from Google or Wikipedia. There's two ways to fix this: 1. get a Thai speaker to add them, or 2. remove them all. Or follow the path I did, Hiroshima also does not have all listings with Japanese characters.
  4. There are no splurge restaurants, it is generally a quite "amateurish" neighborhood (as many other Chinatowns around the world)
  5. I've roamed around a lot there, but they don't have bars in the traditional sense as most Westerners know it. That's why I added the coffee joints for some drinks, I wouldn't know what else to add there. I did elaborate a bit about Yaowarat's hawker stalls as that's where most people just get some iced chocolate or something.
  6. Splurge hotels have the same explanation as splurge eateries — this is not a fancy district, so they don't exist. For that, people go to Sukhumvit or Silom.

--globe-trotter 10:41, 18 July 2010 (EDT)


For the Hiroshima article, it was agreed that the attractions in the "See" section should list the Japanese names and that it would be a good idea to do this for all foreign scripts. ChubbyWimbus 20:41, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
Well, I've spend the whole weekend finding my Thai friends and trying to get the Thai words for the attractions. Even many Thais have no idea how to write many of them, but I have managed to find all of the See section except for Wat Ga Buang Kim -- but this temple is so unbelievably small and unknown, the only way to find it is if I go back there to ask. I hope its okay now with the Thai scripts. --globe-trotter 12:49, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

Yaowarat and Pahurat Tour

Together with the district I've also created a walking tour article through the area, which is somewhat modeled after Along the Magnificent Mile. Let me know whether you think its star worthy. --globe-trotter 09:51, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

  • Support Nice article about a tour in a of-the-beaten track area. ViMy 12:12, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

Walt Disney World/Magic Kingdom

Well, by now you folks know the drill. This is the last of the five district articles for Walt Disney World. There's a lot to cover in this park, but I think I caught almost all of it. =) I've gotten complaints about promotional language in the past; hopefully this article avoids that problem, but let me know if you see anything off. LtPowers 22:03, 3 August 2010 (EDT)

  • hm I'm missing a map in the get in/get around section. It is far from the other parks and an overview map of the park would be awesome. I got lost in the park while visiting with my family and it is much walking in this park. The sleep section is mostly Disney hotels. Do they have nearby none Disney hotels that are open to non DoD employees? It's will written and the similarities to the other WDW articles are clearly visible. I will read if i have more time so that's just my points that immediately came to my mind. jan 09:51, 4 August 2010 (EDT)
Lately WT was pretty slow and it seems that the technical side is deteriorating. Concerning the hotels: Maybe we add a note that there are only Disney hotels so everyone knows that they either need to commute or take a Disney hotel. I think that would be an interesting point for travellers. jan 14:23, 4 August 2010 (EDT)
Well don't forget the main article, which covers the situation well; is it really a surprise that there are very few non-Disney hotels on Disney property? LtPowers 15:26, 4 August 2010 (EDT)
You are right. I missed the main WDW article which explains the sleep situation in good detail. I have then only one issue left. Quite some listings have this Image:Stop_hand.png at the end and are not changeable. Is this on purpose or it's the technical side again? jan 04:40, 6 August 2010 (EDT)
Yep, I discovered that here -- Wikitravel Press's book-generating engine doesn't strip out image markup inside listings tags. To be honest, I'm not actually a huge fan of using that icon to indicate safety restrictions, but any other solution I've thought of is far more unwieldy and so I've just left 'em. LtPowers 10:39, 6 August 2010 (EDT)
The stop hand icon was my idea, and seriously I can't think of any other way. :) However, I'm impressed with how this finally came out, so I support this nomination. Jonathan 784 14:32, 7 August 2010 (EDT)

Nominations to remove Star status

Whenever possible, articles should be fixed rather than "de-starred". Only nominate articles which cannot be easily elevated/restored to "star" quality. Replace the Star status tag on the article with {{destarnomination}}. Vote "Star" or "Not Star".


Failed nominations

See Wikitravel:Star nominations/Slush pile for nominations that failed or were withdrawn. Articles should only be renominated when they address criticisms from the previous nomination. Please add the {{starpotential}} to the top of the article's discussion page.

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