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Latest revision as of 18:53, 6 September 2011
This page lists previous collaborations for the current year.
High profile Collaborations
List: article name, date it was CotW, number of edits during CotW week, article status at the start of the collaboration; and article status at the end of the collaboration, month it was DotM.
- Cambridge: 18 March - 24 March 2007: 10 edits by 4 authors, Guide to Guide: DOTM May 2007
List: article name, date it was CotW, number of edits during CotW week, article status at the start of the collaboration; and article status at the end of the collaboration, month it was OtBP.
- Hoi An: CotW 19 December 2006 - 25 December 2006: 11 edits by 2 authors, Guide to Guide : OtBP February 2007
Collaborations that later became Star articles
Niagara Falls Ontario and New York February - August 2011
There was a little support on the talk page, and I think (hope) at least a few of the regulars have been here. I also think it's likely that casual visitors will have visited the falls.
- Niagara Falls (New York):
- Properly format listings. Add missing info and descriptions
- Organize "Eat" according to "Budget", "Mid-range", and "Splurge"
- Add pictures
- Niagara Falls (Ontario):
- Rewrite "Understand" section
- Properly format listings.
- Organize "Eat" according to "Budget", "Mid-range", and "Splurge"
- Write "Climate" information
These tasks are good for even a traveler unfamiliar with the area to be able to contribute. ChubbyWimbus 22:26, 3 June 2010 (EDT)
- Strongly support, and I'd be happy to help out as I've been to both sides numerous times. LtPowers 16:22, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
- Support --Tiagox2 07:17, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
- Both articles could benefit by mentioning something about whether Canadian/U.S. currency can be used in and around the borders and/or Niagara Falls, ON/NY. The NY-side article states the crossing toll accepts both currencies, but wondering how strict the currency rules are beyond this specific instance. Also, listing some places one can go to exchange currency might also be helpful to add. Zepppep 11:59, 6 April 2011 (EDT)
- I stand corrected about the usage of both currencies--the ON article states both can be used but the NY article does not.Zepppep 12:56, 6 April 2011 (EDT)
Mauritius October 2010 - January 2011
This article has lots of great content, but is poorly formatted, needs to be broken into regions, and most listings lack addresses and other basic info (like city). This is a great tropical destination and I saw a TV show a while ago about this island which presented this island as an astounding destination.
- Create Regional/City Articles & Move Listings — The author(s) has already broken down "See" section into regions which ought to be created (there is only one article [the capital] of all the regions/cities/other destinations!). You don't need the firsthand knowledge to create the articles, simply rephrase a couple lines from Wikipedia and then move the listings to them...stub/outline articles are better than no articles!
- Formatting — In addition to the first rationale, there are lots of non-standard ways the author(s) has formatted most sections.
- Sleep Cleanup/Expansion — The sleep section has many listings, but is not broken down by price, many lack a description, and they should be moved to appropriate regions/cities. Fortunately for us, all of them have a website listed in the article.
- Better Map—The map is a simple map of the island with cities and a scale. The map could use a key (or at least get rid of the white section at left), and someone could easily search online for a map of the island with good destinations (ie. parks, points of attraction) to stick on the map so it's not bare. Also, if regional articles are created, this map will need appropriate shading for the various regions.
- I am having a go at a better map. • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 05:55, 18 January 2011 (EST)
- New map is up. • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 10:45, 19 January 2011 (EST)
- More Pictures — The article could get a couple more pictures. At a minimum, they need to be spread out.
AHeneen 01:40, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
- Lukewarm. This is a great nomination, and we could do all these tasks and make it a much better guide. My only worries would be that we could probably move through all these tasks rather quickly, since the island nation is so small, and the amount of content is not huge. But that's not to say we shouldn't do this—it could definitely work. --Peter Talk 02:06, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
A sad state for one of the world's great cities. It's a freakin' mess.
The main article is actually pretty good, but it contains a lot of listings that should instead be in the district articles. It's those district articles that have significant problems.
- Verify the desired districting scheme — There was some discussion of this on the talk page that resulted in the current situation. In particular, one user was adamant that tiny neighborhoods within Downtown get their own articles because of their unique characters. Unique character or no, we just can't have a separate article on each of Toronto's little ethnic enclaves.
- Repair districting — Combine minor districts into the main districts identified in the main article. Move listings from the main article into the district articles. Make sure all links and breadcrumbs are set up correctly.
- Find pictures — There are a lot of redlinked images. I don't know why. They need to go and, ideally, be replaced by new images. Anyone can do a Google Images search and find some appropriately licensed shots.
- Copyediting — Self-explanatory.
-- LtPowers 16:23, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
- Support. I had been looking at Toronto before and it is indeed sad to see such an important destination so neglected. We especially need to fix the districts badly. --globe-trotter 16:02, 3 June 2010 (EDT)
There are some tasks that could use some much needed help. There should probably be spread out separately with each task getting a month, possibly with a regular destination in between each task. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 16:43, 17 December 2009 (EST)
Outline all stubs
Go through all the items in Category:Stub articles, make sure all the articles get's the relevant template, and then remove the stub tag. There are about 300-400 of them, so if just 5-6 people join in, the task could easily be accomplished in a month.
- Help the orphans
Once the all the missing IsIn/PartOf tags is fixed, which is a process currently ongoing, going through Special:Lonelypages and adding links from the parent regions should be a breeze. Limiting them to nine is something which I think is out of scope, so I think it should be a fairly quick and straightforward task
- Clean the backlog
We seem to have a giant backlog on some pretty important tasks, here is one way to deal with them.
Identify all pictures and articles currently  tagged with vfd, A lot of them are not on the nomination page. Preferably within a week, so they can be deleted or kept by the end of the month, would probably be good to put them all on list, than can be cleaned by deleting entries once checked.
Comment/vote on all vfd's, so we can identify a consensus for long standing votes, and clean up everything so we have a clean slate.
- Clean up the pub.
Check and fix all Category:Copyvio tagged articles.
- Check and fix all Category:Not an article tagged articles.
- Go through and make the outstanding merges that are ready.
- I like it. --Peter Talk 17:20, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- I don't think these will attract new contributions, but I definitely think these are great collaborations. Everyone can participate. ChubbyWimbus 16:58, 18 December 2009 (EST)
- Not sure where to write this, as the orphans page doesn't have a discussion page, but I took care of all the about 100 orphaned pages (except for a few districts of Seoul, not sure what to do with them). --globe-trotter 18:11, 3 June 2010 (EDT)
- I've covered the first page of results for un-nominated VFD images, but there are several more pages to go. Also, I didn't realize it was a COTM task, but the long-standing VFD nominations were all cleared out over the past couple of weeks. I may have been a bit heavy-handed in some cases, but everything was done in accordance with our "article must have a consensus to keep" guidelines. -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:28, 3 June 2010 (EDT)
- Un-nominated VFD images up to Image:DSCF0023.JPG have now been reviewed and updated. -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:07, 6 June 2010 (EDT)
- I believe that all of the Un-nominated VFD images & articles have now been reviewed and appropriately dealt with. -- Ryan • (talk) • 12:51, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
- Wouldn't Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Vfd be an easier and more reliable way to check? =) I don't trust our search function. LtPowers 20:53, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
- Thanks, that turned up a couple of other pages. At this point I think what's left is in userspace, although once the Wikitravel:Votes for deletion page begins clearing up it will be easier to to tell what's really left. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:24, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
- I'd also be interested in trimming the blacklist a bit if no one objects. The linked discussion has more information. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:24, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
For most up-to-date info, check the task lists:
I think Bangkok is a good nomination for CotM. Bangkok is one of the most visited cities in Asia, and very important for showing off Wikitravel to site visitors. Many users should be able to make a contribution as many of them probably have visited Bangkok. The amount of content on the main page is impressive, but basically, it's a big mess. Most of the sights have to be moved from the main page to the district pages. The Snake farm is actually listed twice on the main page and once on the Silom district page!! A list of all that's to be done:
- Move most of the attractions - from the Bangkok See and Do sections to the districts
- Clean up the formatting - mostly in the See and Do sections, as well as in the districts. Even bullets are missing.
- Listingify: Use the listings tool for all the sights, so people can more easily add information later.
- The Do-section is a mess - the golf section is too big (why are Samut Prakan golf courses here?), and well, so is the Spa section. Some biking routes through the city could be added. I think it should also be more descriptive, instead of these gazillion lists of golf courses.
- More traveler-oriented descriptions - The See section descriptions are bland, we must live it up by changing them in a more personal and compelling way. Not "oh this is so great, go here", but more from an honest travellers' point of view. Damnern Saduak is a tourist-mania, it's not even written there. And Taling Chan is not that authentic as well.
- The Buy section - it's actually quite nice, but the 'where to buy' is a drag. Let's move these to the districts, and only keep the most significant ones. Damnern Saduak should be moved to 'Get Out' (and Ampawa could be added to Get Out as well).
- Contact section - too small, needs more information on internet cafes, calling and post offices.
- Stay Safe - it has some good info, but it's a bit messy. The 'scam' part starts with the gem souvenir scam, and then repeats it in the second bullet.
- Yaowarat and Pahurat - a new region, it must be put up to par to other regions, especially by adding more listings in the eat, drink and sleep section.
- Other regions listings - Thonburi could definitely use some places to eat, drink and sleep in Thonburi. And the Peninsula hotel should be moved there as well. Pahonyothin could use some listings in the See and Drink section, while Ratchadaphisek needs more of nearly any listings.
- Chao Phraya - Let's decide where the dinner cruises over the river go. Should it be in one of the regions, or in the Bangkok main article?
- Wat Arun - now it's features in both Rattanakosin and Thonburi. Let's choose.
- Maps - I know this is not suitable for the CotM, but at least the first region map should be changed to include Yaowarat+Pahurat and Khao San Road. If someone's up for it, we still need maps for nearly everything. I made a beginning with the map of Khao San Road (though that's only an overview map, no listings yet).
- Bangkok Transportation Map - it is cool, but many stops are missing (like Tha Chang for the Grand Palace, and Phra Athit is wrongfully called "Banglampoo")
- Pictures - could be added as well.
I'm actually looking forward to the result when all these issues would be fixed. It would be a great article I think.
Globe-trotter 10:27, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
- Definite Support. If it is not finished by the time we tackle Bangkok, then sorting out the breadcrumb trail of all the Thailand articles could go hand in hand. I have started this job.--Burmesedays 09:10, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
- Yes, I also started with the Ayutthaya article, which has similar issues. Globe-trotter 08:02, 2 November 2009 (EST)
- Support. It is a great city that deserves a better article and the info is there so everybody can get started jan 10:05, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
- Update. Some of these tasks are already done (though many aren't as well). I made a new list of tasks to do at . Globe-trotter 14:34, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- Not sure if this is common, but I'd like to change the nomination. Quite a lot of the easier tasks in Bangkok have already been done (though there are still a lot left also, as can be seen this Task List ). But as Burmesedays already noticed, now it seems more important to fix the regional structure of Thailand. Now every province is listed and even subdivided in Amphoes (districts), with many provinces just boasting one town (the capital). I proposed a new structure, and put up a London-style table to show where things should be moved. Everyone can do this, just follow the table here → . Then I think we could combine Bangkok and Thailand as suggested above. --globe-trotter 11:19, 14 January 2010 (EST)
- I would fully support that. The work to clean up a regional stucture is perhaps a little more involved than tackling a city, but I do not see any problems with that as it seems that everyone who participates in a CotM is an experienced Wikitraveller. On a list of WT priorities, sorting out Thailand shoud be quite high up. Major country for travellers which is in a bit of mess. --Burmesedays 11:28, 14 January 2010 (EST)
- Support Burmesedays and Globe-Trotter: Would you want to make this the February (next) collaboration? I ask you two, because it seems you are heading the project, so if you are not ready for it to be featured, then we should wait. If you are ready, then I think this can be a success! ChubbyWimbus 18:48, 15 January 2010 (EST)
- Support. And I will be happy to participate, ClausHansen 19:00, 15 January 2010 (EST)
- Yes, I am all for this project, to finally sort out the Thailand regional structure and get at least the important articles up to usable status. The Tourist Authority of Thailand (TAT) spammed pretty much all sections with listings, but is this what we really want? Now many listings are not written from a traveller perspective. I feel we could delete the descriptions of many of these listings so that travellers can fill in their own opinion later. If travellers are looking for the TAT dump, they better just visit TAT. --globe-trotter 19:10, 15 January 2010 (EST)
- February works for me. On the TAT infomation dump, I have cleared it out of a couple of articles already (few months back) and I know Stefan has done the same. Keep the better stuff only. A lot of it is just long lists of establishments. --Burmesedays 23:04, 15 January 2010 (EST)
- Yes, I see Texugo has also done some cleaning here . We better just clean it out for the most part. --globe-trotter 10:55, 16 January 2010 (EST)
London, one of the world's greatest and most visited cities, is a complete mess on Wikitravel. Fortunately, the tough work of planning a reorganization is completely done, and accordingly it should be clear to all contributors what belongs where. It's going to be a massive districts organization, and CotMs have proven a very effective way to organize large quantities of content.
No huge rush on this (Olympics aren't until 2012), but if we're looking for a CotM, this one is ready and, I think, could be very successful.
Create new districts, redirect old ones
Move listings and prose to appropriate districts — the bulk of the work
- Integrate moved prose into newly created or merged articles
Move and organize maps (already created, and on the talk page) as appropriate
Convert sections in main article, currently inappropriately filled with listings, to overview prose
- Major mos work on all the articles, main & district (wait for districts to be sorted before mosing them)
Add images to illustrate the district articles — the guide is surprisingly low on photos Finish overview districts maps (I'll take care of this one --Peter Talk)
--Peter Talk 22:41, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
Fill out details in the Embassies table. A manual copy and pasting job that requires no knowledge of London. Full details here. --Burmesedays 06:10, 18 December 2009 (EST)
- "London, one of the world's greatest cities" - You're obviously not British. haha. Support. I've never been there, so I can't contribute much, but I assume there are many who can and will. ChubbyWimbus 01:00, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
This surpassed Rome for the title of most successful collaboration of all time. Really, I don't think we could have asked for better results. All of the "finishable" tasks, of which there were many big, time-consuming ones, have been finished. The guide, up until last month one of Wikitravel's most embarrassing basketcases, is now near-guide, a few district articles are actually near-star quality, and the whole guide looks like it could become one of our site's better huge city guides. Completely overhauling the enormous districts structure (there are now 28) was a gargantuan task, and was carried out beautifully principally by a team of about four collaborators, User:ClausHansen, User:Globe-trotter, User:Burmesedays, and User:Peterfitzgerald. As with the most impressive cotms in the past, this collaboration also drew a few Londoners out of the woodwork, and the improvements are continuing beyond the scope of the original collaboration into the new year. I simply do not think we could have had a more successful collaboration (outside of the perpetual wish for ever more participants).
Not counting the immense number of important edits to discussions, and edits to the many articles that now do not exist or have been redirected, we had 1,872 edits!!! That's triple what the Rome cotm had, and an average of 65 edits per article. The main page saw 293, and the most edited district was London/Hampstead, with 146. Additionally, we created 15 maps (not counting SVGs).
A special thanks to registered users who worked on this collaboration: User:Burmesedays, User:Chris1515, User:ClausHansen, User:DenisYurkin, User:Eco84, User:Globe-trotter, User:Inas, User:Jnich99, User:Malfbud, User:Peterfitzgerald, User:Sertmann, and especially User:Zepppep, who did a ton of great formatting work. --Peter Talk 14:09, 1 January 2010 (EST)
- Wow. Thanks for that illuminating recap Peter. I was wondering whether WT had ever had a collaboration as successful as this one. You are dead right with your choice of the "embarrassing basketcase" description. It surely was. And now, London is something that WT can be proud of. It will only get better. Well done to everyone involved. Peter, your own work on the master maps has been quite brilliant, not to say patient with all those niggly little boundary changes. Great stuff all round. --Burmesedays 23:04, 1 January 2010 (EST)
Whipping the world's largest city into shape won't be an easy task, but I've been really impressed by the total transformation at Kyoto and I think we have a fair chance with this team. To-do list, roughly in order of importance:
- Finally sort out the districting once and for all (this is a biggie, and pending since at least 2007)
- Draw up an overall map and locator maps for the districts
- Adding addresses, directions and Japanese names to entries
- Lots of nitty-gritty formatting work
I'll be in Tokyo again in late Sept and will be able to put in some grunt work if we can get the districts figured out by then. Jpatokal 00:08, 25 July 2009 (EDT)
- Support A well-organized Tokyo guide would do wonders for all of Wikitravel's Japanese guides! I unfortunately have barely been to Tokyo, so I can't contribute to the districtification discussion. There seem to be many contributors who have been here, though. Hopefully they will offer their support and time to finally getting Tokyo up to standard. This collaboration has a lot of potential, and I do hope people will get on board for this one! ChubbyWimbus 21:18, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
- Support I've been away from Wikitravel for a long time due to work, but I hope it's not too late to cast another vote in favour of this proposal. Some of the individual district articles need a serious sprucing up, and I'll do what I can to add entries and edit existing ones. --Diego de Manila 18:40, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
- Support. (How did I miss this the first time around?) Perhaps we should start negotiating the districts well in advance – even considering the very different situation here, I think it helped us a great deal for Kyoto by making that an early task. Also, gaining some momentum should serve to guilt-trip me into finishing my own albatross! — Dguillaime 01:54, 5 October 2009 (EDT)
- Since we are approaching the next month, I think it's good to get updates: Is Tokyo ready to be the November CotM? It is up for next month, but if you'd like to hold it off, it would be good to say so, and pledge support for a different nomination. ChubbyWimbus 00:26, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
October 2009 - De-spam Italy
Italy has been a sad case of neglect and abuse on Wikitravel. Despite having a large Italian version of Wikitravel, and the fact that Italy is easily one of the world's top travel destinations, the country's articles have seen few regular contributors, and hordes of unmoderated spam (as well as other well-meaning, but clumsy contributions). Lately we have rather successfully de-spammed Rome, which was the single biggest task for the country. But much is left in neglect.
- De-spam Italy's major destinations. (All those in the cities/other destinations lists, as well as the Amalfi Coast and others that contributors think of.)
- Detout all listing sections
- prune sleep sections (in particular) to a reasonable number. The best way to do this for sleep sections is to remove all listings lacking price info. (example )
- remove apt and tour vios (there are lots!)
- Move all listings out of region articles and into city articles. This will require creating some city articles, and also de-spamming region articles.
- External links formatting, and formatting in general is all over the place throughout the country's articles, and needs cleaning up.
- Consolidate out-of-control ad-hoc regions (see example)
We already, I think, have shown that we have enough users with an interest in cleaning up Italian articles where I think this collaboration could be very successful. --Peter Talk 16:40, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
With the Olympics coming to town in six months, I'd like to see Vancouver and the other host city articles in tip-top shape. Hopefully, it could spur one of them, or perhaps Vancouver 2010 as a whole (once some content is added), to be DotM for Jan or Feb 2010. It would also be great if it helped push some of the Vancouver district articles closer to star status.
Stuff that I see needing work:
- Manual of style review - A general review and proofreading would be good, but some specific issues for each city are:
- add addresses and contact info for listings
review hotel listings for compliance with our Don't tout policy
- North Shore
- there are a number of external links on the main page that aren't presented correctly or possibly shouldn't be there at all (don't comply with our external link policy)
add addresses and contact info for listings in the Drink section
add addresses and contact info for listings for the golf courses in the Do section
- integrate the Camping and Apartments sections in Whistler#Sleep with our usual Budget/Midrange/Splurge categories
- Vancouver 2010
- add addresses and contact info for each venue, and the events that will be held there (available on the Vancouver 2010 website ); I can fill in the more local knowledge stuff like how to use public transit to get there
- Add some pictures - Any good photos will do. Some photos I'd really like to see are a better lead picture for Whistler, something for Granville Island, anything for East Van and some of the downtown landmarks other than Canada Place (we've got lots of nice skyline and up high shots, but not so much of what it looks like at street level)
- Not sure this is within the scope of a CotM, but check room prices on the hotel's website if provided. Vancouver's listings have been added at various points over the last six years so they're inconsistent and out of date. I've been trying to harmonize them -- standard room rate (no discounts) during peak season (July/Aug). The Vancouver/CBD-Yaletown, Vancouver/West End, North Shore and Richmond articles would be the most important ones to check.
- For anyone who's familiar with Vancouver, write brief introductions for sections of the article that don't have one.
I'll fill in any areas that require local knowledge. For timing, I'd prefer Sept, Oct or Nov, so there's time to pull it all together before the Olympics start. Shaund 20:45, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
- Support I think it's always great to polish up Olympic city articles prior to the event, and Vancouver may attract newcomers. I've never been there, so I don't know if I'll be able to do much, but I support the nomination. ChubbyWimbus 20:14, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
- Support. It's good to have lots of tasks as this nomination does. I'll be happy to run imports of street maps from OSM (and cut down the junk to size so we can actually edit them). As Shaund expects, though, I'm not up to adding icons & key-related information to them ;) I'll have way more time to devote to the cotm next month, so hopefully it will work a bit better than our current, floundering project. --Peter Talk 19:31, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
Since my previous nomination didn't offer enough to do, I'll propose Iran. I've been reading a bit about Iran lately and think it is a very interesting country to improve—especially to the negative Western perception.
A decent article, but there are several big problems with it:
- Buy — This section needs to be cleaned up & should include some things which are great to purchase in Iran.
- See - The most famous attractions in the nation should be noted.
- Pictures — There are just 5 pictures on this lengthy article. More quality pictures are needed to make the large blocks of text more attractive. Pictures of historical sites, mosques, the countryside, etc. The Tehran article has a few good pictures.
Regions — The country needs to be divided into appropriate regions. Of the other language versions, the Italian version has broken the country into Azerbaijan (north-west), Western Iran, Central Iran, Eastern Iran, Caspian Sea, & Hormuz regions, even giving cities/provinces in those regions. I'd probably add Baluchistan to that. You can use Google translate to help translate the text.
Update Map — After appropriate regions are created, the map should be updated to show those regions.
Move 'Other Destinations' content — The 'Other Destinations' section is filled with information that ought to be either moved to appropriate cities, or moved to a new (can't think of a name) section under 'Understand'.
Understand' — Iran has a very rich history and certainly deserves decent 'History' section under 'Understand'. Due to the Western (or at least American) perception that Iran is nothing but terrorists & anti-semites, we should probably add a 'Culture' section deriding those perceptions (from what I've read in articles/blogs, most Iranians are quite hospitable & friendly to Westerners...even Americans). There is some content about this buried in the 'Stay Safe' section...but that should be moved to the top to be more prominent. At the end, mention to see the 'Respect' section for more. Stay Safe— This section has a lot of text...can be broken into sections or add a picture to make it more eye-pleasing.
Support. Iran can be a fantastic place to visit. Fascinating history, center of several empires that at certain times included most of what are now Central Asia and South Asia, plus large chunks of territory further West. Huge influence other other countries. Plenty of culture and artifacts: carpets, architecture, rugs, music, carpets, metalwork, rugs, woodwork, carpets, a long history of poetry, and of course Persian carpets.
It is also on major travel routes. Among our itineraries Marco Polo, Silk Road and Istanbul to New Delhi overland all pass through Iran. Pashley 00:33, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
- Support It may also be useful to have some tasks for the capital city's page or some major tourist city pages, but even as it is, it seems very doable. Does anyone have any opinions about this for the August collaboration? Barcelona is not ready, and none of the collaborations seem to have much support (or comments). ChubbyWimbus 00:15, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
- Neutral. I still think this is a risky nomination, since I'm not sure we'll have any one particular user with a special interest in the destination—who will carry the nomination on their back and thereby help keep the collaboration alive. I will commit to helping finish the regions discussion, and will take care of the map. --Peter Talk 16:22, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
There seems to be alot of contributors interested in Kyoto at the moment, and it's a big international destination with loads of visitors which increases the chances of luring new contributes to chip in, so maybe we could emulate the success of Rome with this one. Efforts to districtify the city is currently ongoing on the talk page.
Agree on district borders
Move listings to the appropriate districts
Scour flickr for cc licensed pictures for the new districts
- Create a district map - nearly all major streets are plotted on osm.org, so creating one should be pretty trivial (I'll volunteer on that one, when my life hopefully calms down again soon)
- Add general information to the main Kyoto page: Meaningful descriptions for local delicacies in "Eat", clean up "Buy" section, more information in "Drink" section, proofread "Do" and "See" sections (maybe add to them)
Provide descriptions and additional information for current listings (All of the formerly blank entries now have descriptions however, content such as phone numbers, addresses, prices, opening and closing times, and websites are still needed for many entries.)
Get each region article to at least "usable" status:
Kyoto/Arashiyama (More Arashiyama tasks: add listings to "Drink" section, more "Eat" and "Buy" options, info in "Contact" section)
Kyoto/Central ( More Central Kyoto tasks: Put current listings in manual-style format, More "Do" listings if any, "Contact" section needs content. Guide status is not far out of reach!)
Kyoto/Higashiyama (More Higashiyama tasks:More "Buy" and "Eat" listings are needed, "Contact" section needs content)
Kyoto/North (More Northern Kyoto tasks: More "Do", "Eat", and "Buy" options, "Contact" section needs info, add extra info (phone numbers, addresses, etc.) to "See" listings)
Kyoto/South (More Southern Kyoto tasks: More "Buy" and "Eat" listings, content in "Contact" section, more "Sleep" and "Do" options if any)
--Stefan (sertmann) Talk 09:42, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
- Support As you said, a lot of the current contributors are familiar with this city and it's popular enough that random visitors should also be able to contribute. Do you think the districtification should occur prior to it being the CotM? At any rate, a concensus is close to being reached, and a map would definitely make it the more clear. ChubbyWimbus 09:49, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
- Support, on the same grounds cited by ChubbyWimbus. My own view is that we should aim to lay down the borders and have the district sub-pages up by the time Kyoto is named CotM (in the hope it gets that far, of course!), so that collaborative work can focus primarily on the last three tasks (moving listings, adding district-specific pictures, adding district-specific content). That's just my two cents as a newbie, though; I'd be very grateful for veteran advice. --Diego de Manila 03:44, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
- Support. I like the process of finding something people are currently collaborating and which has activity, and making it COTM. I think it will work well. And Kyoto is a great city that will benefit from a great guide. --inas 07:58, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
- Support, and since they're still fresh in my memory, I'll volunteer now to districtify the lodging section. - Dguillaime 01:34, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
Kyoto was a wildly successful collaboration, boasting a full 285 edits, making it the second most successful collaboration after Rome (which, in fairness, had nearly 2x as many edits). This may be attributed to the fact that Kyoto was in much better shape to begin with, and because it also saw significant collaboration beforehand, in June. The most edited page was Kyoto/Arashiyama, with 72 edits, 69 was the next highest number for Kyoto/North; the main page saw 55 edits. All tasks were completed, despite some of them being a little beyond the scope of what a CotM can usually hope to accomplish. Having had districts drafted in June, the city was fully districted during the collaboration; amazingly, all the brand new districts were raised to at least usable status (and the main article to guide status); all blank or otherwise poor sections of the main article were well filled out; and a WT-style districts map was created. Kyoto is now likely ready for a DotM nomination.
The biggest weakness of this collaboration was the extent to which it was carried by only one contributor (User:ChubbyWimbus). This is not unique to the Kyoto collaboration—It has become increasingly clear that a successful CotM does require at least one especially motivated contributor (and the Rome collaboration was likely so successful because it had 3+), but still, it is desirable that the collaborative effort be sustained throught out the majority of the month.
A special thanks to registered users who worked on this collaboration: User:ChubbyWimbus, User:Dguillaime, User:Diego de Manila, User:Gorilla Jones, User:Jpatokal, User:PerryPlanet, and User:Zorn. Embarrassingly, I cannot include myself in this list ;) --Peter Talk 17:05, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
Let's try to get another showcase article like San Francisco, Chicago etc. under the belt of the wikitravel community. I'm currently in the process of getting all the districts up to guide level status (it's also always nice to have a target to work against). And this means that we can get the targets very specific, and have something to work on that doesn't require too specific knowledge about the destination. I'd prefer March a something a little while of, to have time to finish - I'm current stalled since I have to get time to visit the northern suburbs, to get a buy shopping section finished, should get around to that after christmas is over and done with.
- Proofreading/copy editing - I'm not a native speaker, and especially in my written English, I make stupid mistakes and occasional "Danglish" entries, so the districts could use some proofreading and editing. again, I'll be around answer any questions.
And some secondary tasks:
- Lead article - I need help building the main article, as I've noticed this is definitively not one of my strong points (much better with specifics), I'll be around most days to answer any questions for anyone who doesn't know the city may have, just leave a message on my talk page or at sertmann AT gmail DOT com
- Identify any missing entries - Anyone who is familiar with city, please comb through the article and districts and identify any missing entries, and just add them (i'll try to fill out anything missing from any entries, so even just the name of a place would be fine) or leave a message at the city/district talk page.
- Identify needs for clarification/push for star. I'd like people to read through the articles and identify anything/any entries that needs to be extended/clarified for someone who doesn't know anything about the city beforehand, and anything you would comment as objections to a Star nomination/Destination of the Month, so I have a chance to address these points, before nomination.
- - Sertmann 17:33, 6 November 2008 (EST)
- Looks like a solid nomination. I would try and help out a bit. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:33, 23 December 2008 (EST).
- (Hey, count those three edits I did in February  towards the results!) --Peter Talk 16:30, 4 March 2009 (EST)
- Creating maps (unless the nominator is offering to do so) is a task to steep for cotm collaborations, and adding missing entries is very difficult for contributors unfamiliar with the location. The other three tasks are good, but can you think of any more useful tasks to keep us all busy? Aside from that, we don't have another cotm lined up for April, and you mentioned before that these articles were not ready—will they be? --Peter Talk 00:47, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
- Well, er den rede? --Peter Talk 15:10, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Nej, den er ikke :) trying to remember my loose ends on this, I think it should be perfectly feasible, to get this ready for next month, but Copenhagen/Amager, Copenhagen/Frederiksberg and Copenhagen/Vestegnen is still missing info in some of the more boring sections, and a day or two of exploration, now that spring is coming along, there is no need to put that off any more, as it should be quite enjoyable playing tourist in the sunshine. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 15:21, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Deleted the mapping part, as I found a method to do this, without the need of my broken linux box. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 15:25, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
As a result of the depressingly low level of work done during this collaboration, User:Peterfitzgerald ceased work early on, and was too depressed by it to tally the results. This collaboration had potential. The big lesson, I believe, was that a CotM is likely to fail when it lacks at least one especially dedicated user, who will carry the CotM on his/her back if necessary, and thereby keep the CotM in the public eye, and attract collaborators throughout the month. Alas, real life conspired to successfully remove our most dedicated-to-improving-Copenhagen user during this month. --Peter Talk 17:05, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
This was a slushed destination of the month not too far back, and that discussion spurred the idea that the article should be split into districts by park (which makes a lot of sense). Similar issues were also discussed during its failed star nomination. I am hesitant to suggest that a successful collaboration could get the article to either of those featured statuses, since that would require a ton of difficult work, but it should at least set the guide on the right track for more dedicated users to achieve those goals.
Move listings to districts.
- As far as is possible, add meaningful descriptions to attractions/rides.
Move all park-specific prose to districts (see the Get around section).
- There is discussion about whether the standard to-scale Wikitravel-style map with overhead satellite-type accuracy is appropriate for park maps. If not actually creating maps, we should figure out what path a would-be resort mapmaker should take in creating one. There is already a map available to play with.
Price ranges are needed for all sleep listings. Looking those up can be a pain, but anyone can do one per day.
Listingify all listings. This is less important for attraction listings, but it will make it easier for wiki-illiterate contributors to join in the work in the future.
- Copyedit descriptions to remove flowery, promotional language.
--Peter Talk 22:53, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Note that WDW was collaboration of the week in March 2008. I don't know if that affects its suitability for selection here or not. On another note, price ranges should be easy because WDW uses its own categories for lodging that neatly divide them up (although technically they have four levels and not our standard three). Regardless of the details, though, some help getting the ball rolling on districtification would be most appreciated; I've outlined some of the major issues on the talk page (under Talk:Walt Disney World Resort#What is needed for star status?). LtPowers 11:54, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
153 edits, 62 to the main article, 39 was the next highest number for Walt Disney World/Epcot. More than that was accomplished, though, in discussion, where we resolved nearly every outstanding question and point of contention (with the question of how to display maps being the only one unresolved). We finished 4 out of 7 tasks (although lots of progress was made on the map question), which is a little disappointing. All in all, this was without a doubt a worthwhile and reasonably successful collaboration, in that it gave the guide (which was rather stuck) a huge push in the right direction, and it now seems reasonable that it could now be pushed up to dotm status with relatively little work (by addressing the remaining non-map tasks, plus at least one map). Any faults with this collaboration stemmed from the relatively small contributor base compared to, say, Rome. It's quite possible that this destination had limited appeal to certain possible contributors (although it did bring it new ones), and that should be something to keep in mind in the future.
A special thanks to registered users who worked on this collaboration: User:Jonathan 784, User:Jtesla16, User:LtPowers, User:PerryPlanet, User:Peterfitzgerald, User:Sertmann. --Peter Talk 08:10, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
Creating a district map
Use the district map and Google Maps/OSM.org to sort entries into the correct districts
- Get basic information for major attractions (this is another serious area of embarrassment)
- Writeup of See sections
listingify listings throughout district articles
- Manual of Style proofreading.
Root out any remaining spammy hotel listings (I nuked this big time a while ago). We have way too many hotels listed for the central districts. This isn't something we've really had to deal with anywhere, and it's going to take some discussion to figure out how best to do it, but it needs to be done if our Rome guide is ever going to be readable.
I know this can get a bit city specific, but this city needs a major dose of love, since leaving it unattended have proved disastrous, for one of the worlds top tourism draws - it gives WT a bad name, since it's a very likely entry point for many guests here. Hope we can gather a team of 5 or 6 users to root this out over the course of a month, and maybe check the history logs for some good contributors and mail them for help.
--Stefan (sertmann) Talk 14:53, 5 February 2009 (EST)
- Support. Good nomination. I think our Rome article may be Wikitravel's greatest shame. It's one of the world's greatest and most popular destinations, and it's one of our messiest and least useful city articles. I've got a districts map of the city center, and will upload it soon.
--Peter Talk 18:30, 5 February 2009 (EST)
- Comment. Before district borders are clearly defined, it's quite difficult for an average contributor to help with anything in the list. And I think we have only 2 or 3 people here able to create maps--which also help a bit in districtifying. This is why I started with listing street-by-street borders for Barcelona (but admittedly never finished yet). --DenisYurkin 18:20, 4 March 2009 (EST)
- Don't worry, I'll be adding a districts map, with districts defined by street, in the next couple days. --Peter Talk 23:01, 4 March 2009 (EST)
- What about giving lat-long coordinates to listings: (a) is that important within COTM; (b) is it legal to use them from Google Maps? --DenisYurkin 14:02, 5 March 2009 (EST)
This post was re-edited by User:Sertmann to create a coherent list
536 edits, 215 to the main article, 63 was the next highest number for Rome/South, not all of them relevant (naturally). This was a wildly successful collaboration—I would venture the most successful collaboration in Wikitravel history. Interest in the collaboration was sustained throughout the entire month, and enough momentum has been built up that valuable new contributions (and contributors) are continuing over into April. Virtually all tasks were completed (with the notable exception of writing a good prose section for "See" in the main article—a task unsuited for contributors with limited knowledge of the area). Districting and "listingification" proved to be tasks well-suited to collaboration. Surprisingly, so was the creation of overview regions/districts-style maps.
A special thanks to registered users who worked on this collaboration: User:ClausHansen, User:DenisYurkin, User:Dguillaime, User:Inas, User:Kristinsinreise, User:PerryPlanet, User:Peterfitzgerald, User:Roundtheworld, User:Sertmann, User:Superflush, and User:Vidimian. --Peter Talk 08:10, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
There is loads of great content in this huge city compilation, and (unlike most half-finished huge city articles) has an excellent district structure, but the districting job was left only half done. A CotM might be able to get the articles into DotM shape. Additionally, Wikitravel's Latin America coverage is pretty shoddy (especially outside Brazil), so it would be good to make this a flagship of sorts. Since the content is mostly there, it would be an ideal CotM—one for which contributors could mos one subsection of an article on any given day.
- Finish moving listings to districts — there aren't actually that many to do, and some basic google maps reference should allow anyone to do five or so per day in about 15 minutes
- Listingify all the listings — another task that anyone can do in small quantities spread out over the month. There are a ton of listings that need this, but doing so will make it more obvious which fields are missing.
- Fill in basic details for listings (addresses, addresses, addresses) — another simple task when done in small doses by many contributors, but difficult for one person to tackle throughout so many articles
- Replace moved listings from the main article with prose — here's the difficult part; I'll volunteer to do the heavy lifting
- Scour flickr for more photos — another basic task made much easier when many people each do a small amount of work. Just take a glance over articles for interesting things, then search flickr for them.
--Peter Talk 14:54, 18 December 2008 (EST)
- I'd support it, looks like a solid Cotm. I don't know if I can help much, but I'd try. What month were you thinking Peter, Jan? Feb? Keep smilin,edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:55, 22 December 2008 (EST).
56 edits in February, not all of them relevant (i.e., some vandalism & reversions). All said, though, that's a tolerable number compared to most previous collaborations (remembering that most previous collaborations lasted only one week). The majority of the edits came within the first week, while interest seemed to falter pretty quickly after that. The front page link appeared to attract a trickle of anonymous contributions throughout the month. Progress was made, but none of the listed tasks were completed. A special thanks to registered users who worked on this collaboration: User:2old, User:Fabz, User:PerryPlanet, User:Peterfitzgerald, and User:Vidimian. --Peter Talk 15:49, 4 March 2009 (EST)
- As a follow up, I tried looking into this one night, but the district map was too inaccurate to use it to move the listings (atleast for someone who doesn't know the city), which is something we should have in mind - --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 16:18, 4 March 2009 (EST)