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Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the Month (DOTM) and Off the Beaten Path (OTBP).

Nominate

You can nominate an article you would like to see featured; just say a few words about why, and select a good time to go. Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for DotM/OtBP.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

===[[Destination]]===
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. ~~~~

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

  • The nominated article should have an article status of guide or star. This includes having at least one good picture, and listings/headers/etc. that match our manual of style.
  • The nominated article should not cover too large a subject (e.g. "India" or even "Indiana").
  • The nominated article should be featured at a good time to visit.
  • The nominated article must not have been featured previously.
  • If the article has been nominated previously but failed, any objections should be addressed before nominating it again.

Select

You can also comment on any previous nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

===[[Destination]]===
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the queue.

Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:

  • "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc do not count.
  • "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
  • "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DoTM or OtBP can be worked out later.

Discussions for previously selected destinations are in the Archive. Discussions for nominations that didn't make the grade are in the Slush pile.

Upcoming DOTM / OTBP

Schedule

The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, while OtBPs are changed on the 15th.

Month DOTM OTBP
September 2008 Ottawa? Jakar?
October 2008 San Diego? Hitchhiking in Japan?
November 2008 Riyadh? Virgin Gorda?
December 2008 Harbin? Yakutsk
January 2009 Phnom Penh? Saint Martins Island?
February 2009

These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.

Next change

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the DOTM and OTBP will look like on the Main Page. Please remember that main page real-estate is a valuable commodity, so keep the description brief and the photo small.

Sailing up the Rideau Canal

Ottawa is the capital of Canada. The city is situated along the Ontario side of the Ottawa River, opposite Gatineau, Quebec. Officially bilingual and home to thousands of immigrants from around the world, the city has some of the best museums in Canada, diverse food and hopping nightlife. (more...)

Jakar Dzong

Jakar is a small town in Bhutan's beautiful Choekor Valley, which is commonly referred to as "Little Switzerland". Accorded the title of the birth place of Buddhism in Bhutan, Jakar is home to plethora of monasteries and sacred sites and is a popular pilgrimage center in Bhutan. (more...)


Nominations for Destination of the Month

It is best during the summer months, yet covered in snow during the winter it surely is a treat. The article has guide status..

Walt Disney World Resort

This article is chock-full of detail and has a Guide status. It deserves to be Star, especially by this coming January, which is when "The American Idol Experience" will open.

  • Discuss -- carefully. The article is terrific, no doubt about that, and it stands on its own merits. However, it is a radical departure from our usual DotM practice to feature a privately-owned resort with a single, commercial operator. I'm not sure that disqualifies Disney World -- it certainly does meet the criteria for "destination" -- but let's not rush into this one without thinking through the issues. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:18, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Support. The article is excellent, and I don't see a problem with featuring it — it's clearly a valid article, and so it's OK for DOTM in my book. Jpatokal 23:10, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Basel

Influential port city on arguably the most important river in Europe, the Rhine. Stands at the intersection of three nations (Switzerland, Germany, and France) and serves as a cultural center for the region. Great jumping off point for diverse surrounding area. Currently has a very useful "Guide" article that I found especially useful when planning my trip there in 2007. Great city anytime in the year. --AZGSB9 17:46, 09 October 2008 (EST)

  • Support. My review was perfunctory, but at first glance it looks like it's up to snuff. --Peter Talk 01:22, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Baku

In a part of the world that's been curiously neglected by our DotMs, and a well-constructed, if comparatively terse, article that has been featured as a CotW. Not clear when the best time would be; Wikipedia describes the climate of Baku as "hot and humid in the summer, cool and wet in the winter." That seems to leave spring and fall; might this be an option for November? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:02, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

I'd love to see this get featured, but maybe when a few of the other cities in Azerbaijan are more complete, especially the ones in the Get out section - currently Sheki is the only one in the list that is at a reasonable level. Secondly, is Baku not more of an OtBP destination rather than a DotM??? -- Tim (writeme!) 06:43, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Fair point about other cities, but the largest city and national capital of a reasonable-sized, strategically-placed country, with a city population of 2,000,000 or so, doesn't really seem OtBP to me. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:25, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Hmmm maybe, but I personally consider Azerbaijan off the beaten path as it is most definitely off the path trodden by your average traveller... -- Tim (writeme!) 12:37, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Being OtBP is a relative question — the next one scheduled has a population of 6.2 million, but (aside from us obsessive travelers) nobody's ever heard of it! Jpatokal 13:15, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Good article. I'd support it for OtBP given the region's obscurity as a travel destination, though I'd like to see some verbiage to accompany at least some of the MoS-licious data about what I can expect to find at the listed bars, cafes and restaurants. Gorilla Jones 13:44, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
  • My philosophy about determining whether or not a place is an OtBP destination includes the question – how easy is it to get into the place? Lufthansa has three flights a week from FRA, British Airways appears to have daily flights from London, however, a round trip flight seems to cost $1,400+. Plus, visitors need a visa to enter Azerbaijan. It's possible for travelers to get a visa at the Baku airport, however, you'll need to get a visa before your arrival if you intend to cross the border in another way. The mere logistics of planning a trip to Azerbaijan (let alone Baku) is daunting enough to say it's not a DoTM candidate. Even if someone suggested this as a OtBP candidate I could not support its candidacy because it doesn't meet MoS (even generally). Specifically, the problems are not all listings have addresses, or at the very least directions. Plus, there are some listings with absolutely no descriptions, which doesn't help me and I absolutely need information that will help my stay. Until then, I do not support. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 13:52, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Would support for OtBP after some clean up. There is still too much use of second person language and a lack of addresses - almost there...WindHorse 12:10, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
Could ya'll let us know what needs to be changed to make the Baku and other Azerbaijan pages ready for OtBP nominations? I want to make it as good of a page as possible. Thanks! Cupcakecommander 08:39, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
Sure, for a city of two million I'm flabbergasted that there are so few activities and sites for visitors to visit. Even Cincinnati, a city of 300,000+ has more activities and sites for travelers to visit than what's currently listed in the Baku guide. I'd be stunned if there wasn't far more to tell our readers about. I'm also having a big problem with the "Get in" info. Under the "Ferry section" it lists Russia and Iran, but doesn't elaborate on how to get from Iran/Russia to Baku. Also, there needs to be more descriptions of restaurants, hotels, activities, and sights. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 17:05, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Harbin

The growth of this article has been just stellar lately, and it also gets extra brownie points for being a good cold winter destination: the Harbin Ice Festival, held every January, is a major tourism draw. Some formatting nits remain, but User:Rogerhc has been doing a great job whipping this into shape. Jpatokal 02:22, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

  • Almost, but not quite. There are still a number of grammar goofs, and any chance of getting a map up? Fix these and I'll support, unequivocally. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:14, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
    • My concerns have been addressed (apart from the map, which would still be nice but we can do without it), so support. January? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:02, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Almost support. I took a pass at cleaning it up, but it'll need more. It's remarkably comprehensive, but needs hours/prices/locations for the See section. Also, the Russian architectural influence is mentioned in passing, but it's several paragraphs into the article before we hear anything nice about the place (the summer climate). Gorilla Jones 11:19, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
Agree with above comments. It is near the top and just needs a little extra effort to get it onto the peak. Will nominate for COtW. WindHorse 12:12, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

Boracay Island

The Philippines is comprise of 7,100 and more islands yet none of these had been nominated at least once since 2004 compared to other countries in Southeast Asia (maybe due to lack of promotion or perhaps unnoticed). This country has lots to offer: one of them is the white-sand beach Boracay. I nominate the destination (not because it is one of the few good travel guides here for the Philippines) to be featured on April 2008 because the country is on its hottest summer on that month and is ideal for beach-lovers. Alas 18:59, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Contentwise the article is good, but the style needs work. Restaurants and hotels should be split into Budget/Mid-range/Splurge, and many if not most of the entries need formatting. Jpatokal 23:39, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
  • I'd already nominated this for OtBP (below) but would support it for DotM once the tidying that Jani recommends is done. I'll have a go. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:37, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Paarl

Good article for a continent we haven't featured much. Not sure of the best time to visit. -- DanielC 17:34, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

  • I'd like to see the non-listing aspect of this article fleshed out a bit more first. - Todd VerBeek 17:52, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Good, but not good enough. Eat and Sleep listings need prices, Sleep should also be split into Bud/Mid/Spl. Drink section needs a little more info. Jpatokal 18:33, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Paarl is a major tourist destination and definitely not off the beaten path. A large number of tourist than visit Cape Town also visit Paarl and the surrounding vineyards. If featured it should be under Destination of the month rather than Off the beaten path. It is however a a bit of a horrible article consisting of little more than listings. As one of the oldest towns in South Africa, situated in a beautiful location it really should include some prose to describe the history and the area. As it stands now it definitely does not inspire anyone to visit. --NJR_ZA 01:34, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Riyadh

Probably the most comprehensive and up-to-date guide out there on a famously "closed" city. Mentally OtBP, but physically DotM-sized, so I'll pip for DotM. Summer in Saudi is brutal, but anything between Oct-Apr or so should be fine. Jpatokal 01:04, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

  • I think this is clearly better for OtBP than DotM. We've treated Dalian in OtBP rather than DotM and criticized Baku (also a significant business-travel city) as DotM, and they too have populations in the millions. Raw size is not the key determinant of DotM/OtBP; I thought we'd established that already. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:58, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
  • Yes, but I'm not pipping Riyadh as DoTM on size alone. Sure, it's not a tourist destination, but as the capital of the largest and wealthiest state in the Middle East it's a very important business destination that also hosts a sizable expat community, not to mention several million foreign workers. FWIW, I think Baku is also a DotM (c'mon, if you've got direct flights from Heathrow and Frankfurt...), and these days I'd probably put Dalian as DotM as well. Jpatokal 02:35, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
  • Support. I could see it going for either dotm or otbp, though the latter is a bit western-centric – cacahuate talk 16:52, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Ohrid

Great article, well balanced and especially July is the best time to visit since they have the Ohrid Summer Festival. (One of the best music events held under open skies in The Antique Theater overlooking the lake, is Aug 2nd).

" Archaeological finds indicate that Ohrid is one of the oldest human settlements in all of Europe. The lake itself is over three million years old. Ohrid town is first mentioned in Greek documents from 353 B.C.E., when it was known as Lychnidos - or, “the city of light.” ". Read it and experience it...

  • Support. I was there last year and this destination is "must-feel" in a life time, and the article is true to it.Hoh 18:18, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Support. Yes looks like a good article and the place seems unique and interesting, why not.
  • I Support it. Very interesting and objectively written article. Definitely support, go with it. But I noticed there are few good pictures in the article, do you think this is the best one to have on the main page? I am not sure, I could not put my finger on the best one.Celia 21:47, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Oppose. Looks like a lovely destination, but at first glance: the "get around" section is blank, "see" listings lack any directional or contact info, no "buy" listings, no address/directional info for "eat" listings, no "drink" listings, the Wikitravel:External links policy is violated numerous times, all listings should be listingified, "sleep" listings should have price listings, the photo gallery violates Wikitravel:Small city article template. Moreover, shoving this into the July slot without even waiting a week to see if anyone objects to this as the DotM was totally inappropriate, and against the rules set on this page. --Peter Talk 23:25, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
    • Support These are minor structural changes that you are welcomed to go and make Peter. The article is however full of substance, is objective and easy to navigate and it will be a pity not to be featured in July when most events there happen. As for people being able to comment, it has been on the wikitravel site for some time and people have modified it for a long time. There are "buys" listings and as I understand the listed places are well famous there, while street addresses not so much, so the name is more than enough. I think what one has to have in mind is that different places have different distribution of priorities and information and a good article should reflect that, as does this one.
      • No, those are not minor problems. This page is about showcasing good articles, not just nice places to go. Jpatokal 06:42, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Oppose. First of all, you're only allowed to vote support once. Secondly, the article is ineligible for the reasons that Peter listed. Those are not "minor structural changes" - they're requirements. There's a lot of good writing in the article, but a lot of articles on this site have a lot of good writing - the ones we feature are the ones where someone has done the hard, boring work that's really useful to the traveler, like finding addresses and opening hours and prices. Since you keep promoting objectivity as a virtue of the article, you may wish to review Wikitravel's Be fair and Tone. As I understand it, they're planning to include the month of July in 2009 as well, so you may be able to have it in shape by then. (Note that Mount Fuji has been in queue since April 2007.) Gorilla Jones 08:26, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Support I just explained at the Fuji section since it is just a matter of timing and both are good articles, lets have Ohrid in July and Mount Fuji in August. Ohrid Summer Festival in July looks great and the technical polishing I will try to do please join me. Miko 09:19, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Not yet. Interesting article, but it needs serious editing. (BTW, please sign your contributions to this discussion.) -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:44, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
    • Incidentally, once the concerns about readiness have been resolved, I see this more as OtBP than DotM. No town (as opposed to "park") that we have featured for DotM since the creation of OtBP has had a population as small as Ohrid's 42,000 (Wikipedia), and the "beaten path" in Macedonia lies elsewhere (e.g. Skopje). I could definitely see this article as OtBP for June 2009, once it's been cleaned up; that's exactly the right timing for the summer festival. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:46, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
      • On this point I do agree with the nominators -- Ohrid (the entire lake area, not just the town) is Macedonia's top draw and definitely the most destination-y place in a rather OtBP country. But this, too, should be sorted out better: is the article's focus the town of Ohrid or the region of Ohrid? Jpatokal 06:35, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Support. I have been in Ohrid few years ago and I know entire Skopje goes there in the summer, so it is definitely the "beaten path" in Macedonia. (Is Mount Fuji more populated than Ohrid?) What needs to be cleaned up to have it ready for July? Because as it stands now we have two mountain destinations, so to add diversity and accommodate that Ohrid is most interesting in July, I would also push for clean up changes in the Ohrid article and have it in July, and Mount Fuji in August. ElenaJ 16:17, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Not yet. It definitely has potential, but I also agree with everything Peter says above... once those things are fixed I'd support for OTBP in an appropriate season. Also, Elena/Hoh/Celia, etc, please stick to one user account, you aren't accomplishing anything by voting under multiple usernames – cacahuate talk 17:11, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
To clarify on Cacahuate's point, we don't use majority rule voting on Wikitravel, we work by consensus. Moreover, if you read that consensus article, you'll understand that simply voicing an opinion isn't relevant, you need to make arguments per policy or established practice. --Peter Talk 17:27, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Word – cacahuate talk 18:51, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

San Diego

While we've been dithering over some frankly marginal DotMs, this one has been quietly turned into one of the very best huge-city compilations of articles that we have, and it covers an unusually attractive city for the visitor. It's long overdue to be featured. Unlike many US cities, it "works" as a DotM practically year-round; October/November, maybe? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:05, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

  • Support. Amazing article, and there's a great photo too. Three cheers to PerryPlanet for putting in the elbow grease for this! Jpatokal 04:23, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Support. What was once an over-districtified nightmare has gotten a nice makeover and is looking much much nicer... good work planet perry – cacahuate talk 16:38, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Ah, shucks. I supposed I'm biased, but I'll Support. Hopefully, being the DotM will bring some more much-needed attention to the San Diego articles, cause there's still a whole lot more to do before these guides become truly fantastic. PerryPlanet 13:13, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

San Francisco

This should be separated from San Diego, to avoid an overload of California sans destinations. But I think it's already up to DotM status, and is improving exponentially. I'd certainly understand, though, if Asterix & John want to wait to feature it until they've finished what they set out to do. I'm guessing winter would be a nice time to feature this one. --Peter Talk 00:52, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

  • Support, but not until some time in '09. This complex of articles is prime DotM material already. I'd personally suggest spring rather than winter, but in any event, not before February, just to spread Lotus Land out a little. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:28, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Frankfurt

One of the major destinations in Germany, with a very well written article. It lacks a map, and needs an external links attack, but otherwise looks very much up to DotM standards, I think. Don't know when would be best to feature. --Peter Talk 01:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Birmingham

Not a huge tourism destination (which is why it seems ok to go without districts), but one of England's biggest cities, and a major business hub. The article looks borderline perfect and the maps are jaw-dropping. Weather on this island is always rainy and a little chilly, and the main draws are nightlife, shopping, and proximity to nearby destinations, so it doesn't really matter when we feature it. --Peter Talk 01:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

  • Meh. The article is certainly well done, but the city is not very appealing. We could use this in a pinch, but I'd rather give precedence to more "interesting" destinations if suitable articles can be found. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:13, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
Couldn't have said it better myself! --Peter Talk 23:18, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Phnom Penh

Would be nice to have a cope section, for a notoriously wearing travel destination, but otherwise the article looks great. It's the destination, where you will undoubtedly wind up, in Cambodia, and a great place to try out machine guns & rocket propelled grenades on the cheap. The obvious "get out" destination is Angkor, and that's a previous DotM in its own right. Dry season is November-March, so that's the time to feature it. --Peter Talk 01:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

  • Support. Map would be nice, but the rest is very good. Jpatokal 08:01, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

Nominations for Off the Beaten Path

Kilkenny

This article is very good and gives a good insight into the Medieval Capital of Ireland. Its small nature, I feel, qualifies it for Off the BEaten Track. As a resident of Kilkenny, I feel that it deserves the opportunity to be on this list.

The article contains many nice photos and detailed descriptions of Hotels and ways of getting in and, of course, things to to.

It is a guide article.

  • Close. There are a few edits that need to be done -- contact info and hours for restaurants, typo repair, ideally adding a map -- before I'd support it unequivocally, but all are doable. Let's keep an eye on this one to see how it develops; it's definitely a reasonable candidate. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:37, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
  • New information on eat has been added, with new maps and photographs.


Another map copyright issue on this one. Please respond at the shared:vfd page. --Peter Talk 10:47, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Gone.

Balatonfüred

This article is full of beautiful pictures and excellent detail of one of Europe's most unheard of tourist resorts, for the Westerners at least. Balatonfüred, Lake Balaton, has a beautiful charm and is one of Hungary's oldest Spa Towns. Surrounded by stunning countryside and mountains, yet still posessing a waterpark and an amazing town bustling with life, this surely is the destination of alifetime.

The Article has Guide Status and contains maps and indeed travel information.

Both maps in this article have been recommended for deletion on shared. Please address this issue there. --Peter Talk 19:00, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Both Maps have now been deleted, with a new legal one put in place.

Jakar

A small village in the mountains of Bhutan. Accessible by road - one full day from the capital Thimphu and two days from the border. There are no addresses in Bhutan, so hotels are just listed by name. Jakar is a summer only destination, and is being offered as an alternative to Windsor (Ontario) as there has been some reservations about featuring this border town. If people prefer to feature Windsor, then this can be slushed until a future summer. I'll add climate info over the next few days. WindHorse 02:50, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Don't support. Many sections of the article are still too skeletony: there are no real restaurant listings, and the hotel listings are rudimentary. Jpatokal 03:02, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
There aren't any real restaurants or cafes except for those in the hotels. It is a very small village with just one main street. In addition, tours to Bhutan can only be booked through a travel agency, and so guests have no/little say in which hotel they will stay. For them, accommodation is just in an international standard hotel. The important thing for Bhutan is info on attractions. Anyway, I am just pointing out the differences in defining articles for Bhutan than other countries, but agree that the current lack of info about hotels and restaurants/cafes may not look good on an article being show cased on the front page. I'll give it some thought... Anyway, we still need to think of an alternative for Windsor if that is the way consensus flows. I'll nominate Thimphu (later withdrawn), but I think we may run into the same difficulty. 'Drink' is empty, but I can add a few listings. WindHorse 03:13, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
OK, I'll withdraw my objection. Still needs a little cleanup though (eg. removing unused headers). Jpatokal 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
Up-dated and added info. Jakar is a suitable candidate for any slot from May to October. WindHorse 22:24, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
Support. Nicely written article and seems a good candidate for the vacant September slot - also a first for this Himalayan kingdom. Frequenttrekker 10:18, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Odense

Nicely turned out article on a small city in Denmark with some attractions. I'm not sure there really are "Off the Beaten Path" locales in western Europe, but this one seems to qualify, and we're probably overdue for an OtBP there. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:02, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Support. Some listings could use more detail, but overall it seems to cover the destination well. Good OtBP candidate. Gorilla Jones 19:42, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
Support. I presume summer is best? Jpatokal 06:30, 15 February 2008 (EST)
Support. Anywhere from May til September would fit, if it get's nominated i'll work on it a bit too - would love to see a Danish destination :) Sertmann 18:35, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Spring Green

Has a couple of very interesting attractions and some small-town, away-from-the-interstate charm. Might be too small to be featured, but it's a nice weekend trip. Could work for December (there are Christmas festivities in town, and the House on the Rock supposedly goes all out for Christmas), otherwise a warm weather month. The major article for the region, Madison, is in reasonably good shape. Gorilla Jones 19:38, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Not yet - I don't know if being too small is a problem - we've had Berneray as OtBP and that article covers 10 sq km and has just 128 residents. However there are a few problems - we need a few more things to do listed either in See/Do or the Get Out section, a bit more info in the get in section (e.g. nearest airport) and some more info about the town as a whole. I also like to read about places before I visit, so some general pre-visit info and history about the town would be nice. Also there needs to be more details about the hiking trails and canoe trips. If we get this to a reasonable standard, then maybe it would be a good candidate for when the American Playhouse Theatre does their annual outdoor Shakespeare festival? -- Tim (writeme!) 09:06, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Support. I don't see anything wrong with the article? It seems to have something in all the main sections, and just being small isn't really a problem for OtBP. Jpatokal 06:30, 15 February 2008 (EST)
Support -- reluctantly. I had an experience very close to this town that makes it difficult for me to recommend any site in southwestern Wisconsin for visits. However, that was probably an isolated case, the article is well done, and House-on-the-Rock is just weird enough to be good OtBP fodder, so I'll lay aside my personal distaste for the area and say yes. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 19:16, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Support. Spring Green makes for a fantastic OtbP in my estimation. It should definitely be featured May – October, since the tours of the Taliesin Estate only run during those months. The article could use a little polishing, but I think that will probably happen before next May. --Peter Talk 00:45, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Hitchhiking in Japan

I'm not even going to pretend to be partial about this: this is and continues to be one of my favorite articles, and it's pretty OTBP. Best anytime in spring (Mach-June) or fall (Sep-Nov). Jpatokal 06:49, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Support. Put it in April and let travelers hitchhike south to north with the cherry blossoms. Gorilla Jones 20:37, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
  • Support, but remember that an "April" OtBP doesn't start until April 15. I suspect it'd be better in March, for exactly Marc's reason. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:15, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Just wanted to get my support in on this one—along with the Japan article, this was the first Wikitravel article I read! --Peter Talk 01:08, 19 June 2008 (EDT)


Boracay

Fascinating article that almost suffers from a TMI problem. There's a lot of stuff here that it would be hard to find in a dead-trees travel guide. Question for discussion: is this place OtBP or DotM? Either way, it looks interesting (in a touristy sort of way...). -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:34, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Is this a place where addresses don't matter? It has plenty of listings and descriptions but not much in the way of where places are. Gorilla Jones 20:37, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
Boracay is one of the Phils' top tourist draws, so I think DotM would be more appropriate. Jpatokal 06:26, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Buffalo National River

A forever pristine environment, located well out of sight from Little Rock, Arkansas or Springfield, Missouri.

  • Not yet. The seeds of a very good OtBP are there, but it's awfully wordy, has barely sufficient Eat/Drink information, and needs some MoS work. (However, I wouldn't bother replacing the maps, even though they're out of compliance with our standards; they "work" because of the unusual nature of this destination.) A campaign to get the article cleaned up in time for spring 2009 would be well received. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:43, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Hovd

This would be a great first Mongolian OtBP, and there's a gorgeous lead pic to boot. The content is there, but the article still needs some MoS work. Jpatokal 03:16, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

  • Support. Just about the model of what an OtBP article should be, and the MoS work isn't all that big a deal (although it should be done). When's the best time? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:48, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Saba

Great little article. With a little polishing this could be our first Caribbean OtBP! Jpatokal 09:38, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

  • Let's see the polishing first. There's rather little contact information for Eat/Sleep/Drink and it needs a map. The idea of a Caribbean OtBP is indeed appealing, but Virgin Gorda (next entry) is closer to ready. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:06, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
  • Truely of the beaten path Caribbean destination. Very specific and insightful article. While you may see other Caribbean islands nominated, it doesn't get more OtBP than Saba. With a complete article and an abundance of resources, why not?--AZGSB9 18:03, 29. May 2008 (EDT)
  • Support, with one caveat—there should be at least one shop named under buy. If we move forward with this as an OtBP, I'll see if I can put together a map (if it's possible!). --Peter Talk 21:52, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Virgin Gorda

Another Caribbean OtBP suggestion with a very solid and properly formatted article. The only thing missing at all would be a map, and I'd be happy to take a stab at one if we do decide to feature this article. --Peter Talk 16:55, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

  • Support, if you can get that map done. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:06, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
  • Support. Looks good to me. Gorilla Jones 08:30, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Support. I'm feeling done with the article for now, it's got a shiny map, and Roger was kind enough to go over it and make sure everything is accurate. AFAIK it's gorgeous year-round, so I say feature it whenever we need to fill a slot. --Peter Talk 23:59, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Support! Gorgeous map and pics – cacahuate talk 00:00, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Strong Support. What a wonderful article, for OTB. -98.228.6.230 18:06, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Saint Martins Island

I'd prefer to just nominate the entire country of Bangladesh for otbp, but it's not up to snuff... sooo, I'll settle for this gorgeous little island, the jewel of the country, nestled remotely in the far south off the coast of Myanmar. It's otbp2. There's not much at all missing from the article, though it may look spartan... what may look incomplete is actually just non-existent. This would be great for the December slot – cacahuate talk 18:00, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Support. Wow! I didn't even know this place existed. A map would be nice, but other than that it looks pretty good to me. Jpatokal 06:32, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
I mapped it – cacahuate talk 00:09, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Support. Well done and certainly OtBP-ish. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:32, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
  • Support definitely. Very cool, very OtBP article. --Peter Talk 01:03, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Preah Vihear

Off the beaten path but certainly in the news; just named a UNESCO World Heritage site and Thailand and Cambodia are still squabbling over it. Now has a gorgeous new map from Wikimedia Commons. Good more or less any time of the year, perhaps best in the winter though. Jpatokal 05:49, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Undecided. If "Thailand and Cambodia are still squabbling over it," is it really a good idea to recommend travel to it? How serious is the "squabbling"? Please advise. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 08:54, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
Not particularly serious. Thailand occasionally closes off access for a day or two, but it's fully accessible from the Cambodian side (if rather harder to get to). Jpatokal 04:08, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
You're positive? This article kinda caught my attention... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:00, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Should we create an "adventurous dotm" section for the main page? – cacahuate talk 23:36, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
I thought we called that "OtBP". Jpatokal 08:56, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
"Off," not "On," and "Beaten," not "Bombarded," "Besieged," "Battlefield..." -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:57, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park

It's always good to feature more articles on Oz, and this one does a fine job with a famously out-of-the-way feature, describing some of the other stuff in the vicinity besides Uluru itself. January/February? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:57, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

  • Support. However, the article suggest that Dec-Jan is brutal, and July-Sep is the best time to go. Jpatokal 08:05, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

Falkland Islands

Our guide to the Falkland Islands is absurdly good. There are a couple outlines in the dozen or so articles covered here, but the rest are as complete as they could be within reason. Anyway, it's way off the beaten path, and I think it shows off what we do here pretty well. --Peter Talk 03:17, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

  • Been done, unfortunately. Back before OtBP was a separate item, the Falklands were a DotM, in November 2005. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:41, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Yakutsk

I've been meaning to finish the translation of this one for a while, and I think it highlights some spectacular possibilities for Wikitravel, in the translation of articles written by locals from destinations around the world that are not covered by existing guides. This city would get at best 2-3 pages in any Russia guide, and I'm pretty sure no English-language guides exist to just the city itself. It's a fascinating destination with reindeer-blood-vodka, natural ice caves used for cryogenics, dog sledding, Yakut national culture and cuisine, expeditions to the Northern Sea and Northern Mountains, wild Siberian nightlife, and some seriously cold temperatures—it's considered the coldest city in the world. The best time to visit is during the late summer, especially around the Ysyaakh festival, but I'd recommend we put it up for a freezing cold New Year's OtBP. The coldest city in the world has plenty to see, but the most interesting thing to do may be to simply experience what it's like to live in such a freakishly cold environment. Lastly, what's an OtBP without being accessible only by 2 of the world's most dangerous roads? --Peter Talk 21:11, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

  • Support. Good article on an exotic place, and the fact that it's translated from the Russian article should be a plus, interwiki-style. Karasho!-- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:15, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
  • Support for all the reasons outlined by Peter WindHorse 00:57, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Tywyn

A really good article on a small place. Best time is May to September I presume. -- DanielC 14:59, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

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