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Here we determine which pages are featured as the Destination of the Month (DOTM) on the Main Page. These rules also apply to the monthly Off the Beaten Path (OTBP) destinations.

Nominate

You can nominate an article you would like to see featured; just say a few words about why, and select a good time to go. Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for DotM/OtBP.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

===[[Destination]]===
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. ~~~~

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

  • The nominated article should have an article status of guide or star. This includes having at least one good picture, and listings/headers/etc. that match our manual of style.
  • The nominated article should not cover too large a subject (e.g. "India" or even "Indiana").
  • The nominated article should be featured at a good time to visit.
  • The nominated article must not have been featured previously.
  • If the article has been nominated previously but failed, any objections should be addressed before nominating it again.

Select

You can also comment on any previous nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

===[[Destination]]===
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the queue.

Discussions for previously selected destinations are in the Archive. Discussions for nominations that didn't make the grade are in the Slush pile.

Upcoming DOTM / OTBP

Schedule

The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, while OtBPs are changed on the 15th.

Month DOTM OTBP
July 2007 Swansea Windsor (Ontario)
August 2007 Portland (Oregon)? Tampere?
September 2007 Albuquerque or Zion National Park? Guinsa?
October 2007 Hiroshima? Namche Bazaar?
November 2007 Dubai or Chiang Mai? Rietvlei Nature Reserve?
December 2007  ?  ?

These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.

Next change

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the DOTM and OTBP will look like on the Main Page. Please remember that main page real-estate is a valuable commodity, so keep the description brief and the photo small.

Swansea buildings.jpg

Swansea is a city on the Gower Peninsula of South Wales, the United Kingdom's first designated "Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty". Its abundance of parks, stunning coastal scenery, lovely water-side suburbs, magnificent bay-side maritime quarter, varied cultural events, medieval castles, and golden sandy beaches have made Swansea a major tourist destination. (more...)

WindsorFireworks3 01 RGB.jpg

Windsor is a mid-sized Canadian city on the southwest tip of Ontario. Windsor is a multi-cultural city, with over 20% of its population having been born outside of Canada. Like its better-known neighbor across the Detroit River, it is closely tied to the automobile industry, with many car-manufacturing companies basing their Canadian headquarters in the city. (more...)


Nominations for Destination of the Month

Dubai

Important (if weird) destination, and the article is well turned out with good photos and considerable local color. Could use a map, but that's not a show-stopper. Alternative to Yosemite (which, unlike Dubai, could work equally well later in the year) for May? Or Pattaya for February? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:57, 24 November 2006 (EST)

  • Oppose, not very loudly. Many listings, esp. in Eat, are deficient and/or not in MoS format. Some of the pics are redundant or violate the privacy policy. And May is already blazing hot... Jpatokal 11:26, 24 November 2006 (EST)
    • You're right about the privacy policy; that one needs to be fixed. Simple enough to do, however. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:20, 24 November 2006 (EST)
  • Well, without looking at the article, I'd say that it makes much more sense to slot it for winter months, when we usually have a shortage. — Ravikiran 12:17, 24 November 2006 (EST)
  • I'd like to see this become DotM as it was a CotW earlier this year, and I like it when they become DotM. I'll attack the MoSless bits and sort that picture out now. That makes this a support once I've done a bit of work on it... but could do with a few extra contribs.... -- Tim 18:33, 24 November 2006 (EST)
    • Right, I've given the unMoS bits a once over... But it needs a cope section... -- Tim 19:12, 24 November 2006 (EST)
  • Support: would rather have Dubai than Pattaya, although the restaurant listings here need addresses. - DanielC 08:52, 1 December 2006 (EST)
Support - though maybe this is best as a winter feature when those in the northern hemisphere seek sun and warmth. WindHorse 01:28, 1 February 2007 (EST)
There seem to be some objections to using Berlin in March. Could it be slotted then? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 19:42, 2 February 2007 (EST)
Support featuring Dubai for March instead of Berlin. WindHorse 20:02, 2 February 2007 (EST)
I don't think Dubai or Berlin are in DotM shape yet. I mean, look at stuff like this: "The majority of the people using the bus system are lower-class Indians". The article needs a pretty comprehensive rework which I'll be happy to provide — but only in May, when I'll be paying a visit. Jpatokal 23:15, 2 February 2007 (EST)
Yeah, it's not perfect, but got a better idea? March is getting close, there is a shortage of viable candidates, and I do think this one is in better shape than Berlin. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:28, 2 February 2007 (EST)
I take Jpatokal's point regarding this article (incidentally, I have removed the specific offending sentence that was referred to). However, as Bill said, there are no other apparent options. Ideas? WindHorse 07:16, 3 February 2007 (EST)
Why not bump up Guangzhou? The article actually says that finding accommodation during the yearly trade fair in April can be difficult, so March would seem better. Yahoo Weather says average March temps are 22/15°C hi/lo with 9cm of rain, which sounds pretty pleasant in my (tropical) book. Jpatokal 08:09, 3 February 2007 (EST)
Yeah, that's certainly a possibility and, as you say, the weather there in March is pretty good. Another option is to slip Dubai in as the next CoW to see whether a group effort can bring it up to standard before the end of this month. Either way is fine with me. WindHorse 08:46, 3 February 2007 (EST)
Dubai makes a great winter destination, so I'd prefer to keep it for a better time. And I'm really not satisfied with the quality of the article, yet. Jpatokal 08:53, 3 February 2007 (EST)
OK, then unless there is any major dissent, bump up Guangzhou. That leaves the question of April - bump up Yosemite National Park or slip in Chaing Mai. I've not been to Chiang Mai in Spring, but I imagine that it is not a bad time to visit. Thoughts? WindHorse 09:02, 3 February 2007 (EST)
If there was a gap for April, that would be a resonable time for Cambridge - it needs little, if any sorting out which I am happy to do (lived there for 3 years). -- DanielC 14:28, 4 February 2007 (EST)
I think that the Museums and Galleries section for Cambridge needs modifying. If that can be a little more MoSed it would probably be a good candiate for the April slot. WindHorse 21:56, 4 February 2007 (EST)
  • So have the issues been resolved at least to the point that we could run Dubai in November 07? It's time to come up with something for that month, according to our rolling schedule. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:41, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
I was kinda hoping to hold it until January 2009, when Mr. Cheney goes back to work at Halliburton in their new headquarters. :) The Eat listings still need addresses (or at least phone numbers to get directions), which would be good to have addressed before featuring it. - Todd VerBeek 10:18, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Portland (Oregon)

Fantastic content on a perennially underestimated city, with "Get out" links to several of the innumerable great-outdoors destinations of the region. The only shortcoming is a shortage of imagery, but that can be remedied. Suggested for August 2007. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:11, 3 December 2006 (EST)

Support, on the condition that some decent images can be dug up. Jpatokal 22:22, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Support, although could do with a couple more photographs and telephone numbers for the "eat" items. -- DanielC 17:05, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
  • On thinking about this one, I think it might be best to postpone it until the imagery is in better shape. Furthermore, Albuquerque is looking like an absolute gem for October, and three United States DotMs in a row would be a bit much. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:25, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Chiang Mai

Excellent article, and might be a good substitute for Pattaya if that's deemed unacceptable again. Best season is winter (Nov-Feb or so), and might (barely) also squeeze into OtBP if needed. Jpatokal 06:39, 5 December 2006 (EST)

Support - a good article and a good destination, though I don't know which month is best to feature as all their festivals seem to be in the Winter/early Spring. WindHorse 01:22, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Here's the down load on climate: The hot season is from early March to end of May. Average daytime temperature is 30° Celsius (85° Fahrenheit). The rainy season usually begins early June and reaches to the end of October. Most rain will probably fall in September. So, if Guangzhou is featured in March (see discussion under 'Dubai' above), then feasibly Chiang Mai could be slotted into April in its place. While it is not the best month in terms of temperature (though 30° Celsius day time temps are certainly not unbearable), it is dry, which is probably the most important consideration. WindHorse 04:26, 4 February 2007 (EST)
I wouldn't suggest Chiang Mai for April -- it's not quite as broiling as Bangkok, but it's far less pleasant than winter. Jpatokal 08:28, 4 February 2007 (EST)
OK, I take your word for it. I've only ever been there in the Fall. Anyway, we need somewhere to feature in the April slot. Any ideas? I've nominated Shimla for DoM. Don't know whether it up to standard, but if so, April would be a suitable month weather-wise WindHorse 11:09, 4 February 2007 (EST)

SupportFrom what I remember being there, fall is the best time to visit, good weather and not too crowded!Felixboy 14:41, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Zion National Park

The scenery here is simply breathtaking, and it's a favorite park for many. Best times to go are in spring and fall, when the temperatures are more moderate. PerryPlanet 14:51, 29 December 2006 (EST)

  • Support, but: Might this be better as OtBP? National park or not, few people know where it is, and one must go to some lengths to get there. There's been some really tremendous work on this article lately, however, and it would be reasonable to feature it somewhere, somehow. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:06, 31 December 2006 (EST)
I don't think so. Zion is Utah's most popular National Park, it gets millions of visitors a year. It's well-known even outside of the Southwest. "Off the beaten path" doesn't describe Zion at all. PerryPlanet 18:38, 31 December 2006 (EST)
  • Support for OTBP. As this is a world travel guide and it's not really known of outside the USA, I'd call it OTBP. Very good article though. -- DanielC 16:24, 2 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support for DotM. I don't think "not world famous" is sufficient reason to declare something OtBP. After all, Guangzhou, Dubai, Chiang Mai, Shimla, and Angkor Archaeological Park aren't exactly household names inside the USA. And although it isn't as famous as Yellowstone or Yosemite or the Everglades, Zion made MSN Encarta's "15 Most Popular National Parks" article (at #15). Over 2.5 million visitors every year Beat a pretty good Path. :) - Todd VerBeek 15:39, 4 February 2007 (EST)
Yes, with those visitor numbers I don't think it is really OTBP. However I am not sure that I agree with some of TVerBeek's examples above. See discussion at Wikitravel_talk:Destination_of_the_Month_candidates#Criteria_for_OTBP_v_DOTM. -- DanielC 08:32, 7 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support. 2.5 million visitors per year would definitely disqualify it for OFTBP. WindHorse 00:22, 6 February 2007 (EST)
  • As Yosemite is featuring in the Spring, I'm wondering whether this should be moved to the Fall. It is certainly a Fall-like destination with the tree colors etc. Will enter Shimla as an alternative for June as it is traditionally a summer escape for those living in the sweltering plains, which are at their hottest in May/June. Hiroshima is also a possibility for May, though Japan is usually at its best in the Fall also. WindHorse 22:08, 7 February 2007 (EST)
    • Agree with Shimla instead of Zion for June. I wouldn't recommend Hiroshima though, as it's the rainy season in Japan then. Jpatokal 23:55, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Swansea

Possibly the most diverse "Do" section I've ever seen in an article for a city this size. Well suited to the latter part of (boreal) summer. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:20, 20 January 2007 (EST)

  • Wow there is a lot there! It's gonna need a bit of a MoS touch up and a bit more info on some of the listings before I support it though. -- Tim 18:50, 20 January 2007 (EST)
  • Support - and July seems the best month to feature as there is an international rock and indie festival being held there around the middle of that month. WindHorse 01:25, 1 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support, although I think it's more OTBP and the "eat" listings could do with more description. -- DanielC 08:15, 2 February 2007 (EST)
  • According the UK government stats, the city gets between 3-4 million tourists (not visitors, but tourists) per annum. In my book, that definitely qualifies it for DotM. WindHorse 00:22, 6 February 2007 (EST)
You are right - I forgot about all the tourists staying for the Gower Penisular. -- DanielC 08:17, 7 February 2007 (EST)
  • Given that it's the next DOTM, this article desperately needs a better picture -- the current washed-out scan of a cheap print, complete with visible dent, is terri-biba-ble. Jpatokal 02:11, 1 June 2007 (EDT)
Agree - just had a quick search through Flickr/wikipedia/wikimedia commons and there's nothing that jumps out as being a good leading picture with the appropriate license. I'm not really sure of any other good image sites that are likely to have the right license. I'll check Zooomr when that comes online again sometime today (hopefully.....) Is it worth while having a rough deadline in about two weeks for when we want to have a new image by, so that if we can't get one we can start to think about a possible replacement for DotM - we can't really have an article without a good descriptive picture as DotM... -- Tim (writeme!) 07:57, 1 June 2007 (EDT)
I found a CC-BY image on Flickr (taken about 10 days ago!) that I like, which I've added. (And I've done a little Photoshop clean-up and adjustment work on the previous lead image to make it more presentable as a supporting image.) - Todd VerBeek 08:17, 1 June 2007 (EDT)
Sorry guys for the bad quality of the original image. Usually, I concentrate on B&W, but on the day I was in Swansea many years ago there was a rare moment of clear weather (it had rained the whole month I was traveling in the UK), and so I borrowed a cheap camera to take two souvenir shots - to remind me of both the UK and the sole clear day! That was on of the images, and to make it worse, it somehow got bashed in the interim years. Anyway, glad Todd saved the day, and I agree that is a nice image - lots of interesting, sharp contrasts of shape and a wide variety of color - a good catch. WindHorse 08:34, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

Hiroshima

There's more to the city, and the article, than just nuclear holocaust. As usual in Japan, this would be best in spring (Apr-May) or fall (Sep-Nov). Need a better intro pic tho... Jpatokal 22:20, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Support - and agree that the Fall is probably the best time to feature as the weather in Japan at that time of year is clear and fresh - definitely my personal favorite time to hang out in Japan. WindHorse 22:59, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Mid-to-late September usually sees a typhoon or two in Hiroshima. October or November would be fine, though. Gorilla Jones 09:07, 2 February 2007 (EST)
Comprehensive article. Again, not sure best time, but August would be the anniversary month. -- DanielC 17:37, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
Since this was just accidentally re-nominated for OtBP, I'd have to argue for DotM: everybody on the planet knows the name, and it's pretty big on the Japan tourist trail. Jpatokal 18:37, 25 April 2007 (EDT)


Angkor Archaeological Park

A good guide article. It's dormitory town, Siem Reap is a guide article too. A few of the temples need fleshing out, which I could do. Article says November to February is the peak season. -- DanielC 14:50, 4 February 2007 (EST)

Support - good, clear and comprehensive guide of a popular tourist destination. WindHorse 21:57, 4 February 2007 (EST)
Comment - At the moment I'd actually support Siem Reap, which just needs to have its map updated, over Angkor, which still has some missing bits. And yes, winter is the best time. Jpatokal 07:07, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Montreal

A very good guide. Best time is summer I presume. -- DanielC 16:39, 5 February 2007 (EST)

There's an ongoing debate on Talk:Montreal about districtifying the city, so it might be best to wait until that's sorted out. Jpatokal 00:02, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Agree with Jani. Montreal is a great city that should be DotM at some point, but the district issue really needs to get settled (and has been pending for a long time). In my opinion, districtifying is necessary -- there's altogether too much interesting stuff in Montreal to lump into a single article -- but who will bell the cat? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:30, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Albuquerque

User:PerryPlanet has done a fantastic job with this. Suggested for September or October, as the Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta draws hundreds of thousands of visitors (yes, literally "hundreds of thousands") in early October; use in September if the emphasis is on helping them find lodging (although it'll be tight by then), in October if the goal is to give visitors things to do post-arrival other than get up at 6 a.m. and watch the balloons. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:30, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Support - great article. -- Tim 11:24, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
Support - You flatter me, Bill. :P Another reason to put it in September would be because that's when the State Fair happens, and that's the biggest event in ABQ (behind the Balloon Fiesta, of course). I'll have to write up something on the state fair soon... PerryPlanet 15:47, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
Support - good article, although it could do with more specific "Buy" listings. I am concerned that if we put it in for October, then that would mean 3 USA DOTMs in a row. -- DanielC 17:04, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
Support - September seems decent, but it is really known for the Balloon Fiesta, it seems much more approriate to do it in October with a nice picture of balloons over the city for picture. Ralthor 23:14, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Jerusalem/Old City

One of the most important square kilometers on Earth! Comprehensive article. Central to Judaism and Christianity, whilst being important in Islam. Great all year round but could fit in well with Christmas time - December in particlar for obvious reasons.Flymeoutofhere 09:36, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Not yet, it's got a little work. First, I'd like to see more photos (my personal preference is to get a some images of off-the-beaten-path sights), but another problem is that for many listings there's no address or directions. I'd be especially interested in contact info for a lot of the churches and such too. The article also should list a few internet cafes. Regarding December time slot, wouldn't Bethlehem make more sense? I think if this article is chosen to be a DotM to display it in month of Nisan (preferably when Passover, Good Friday, and Easter) would be ideal since travelers could then experience Jewish customs and Christian customs. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 02:21, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Do not support. I really like the idea of getting Jerusalem into shape for DotM, but the whole city, not just a district, should be the DotM, and it's not there yet. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:03, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Baku

In a part of the world that's been curiously neglected by our DotMs, and a well-constructed, if comparatively terse, article that has been featured as a CotW. Not clear when the best time would be; Wikipedia describes the climate of Baku as "hot and humid in the summer, cool and wet in the winter." That seems to leave spring and fall; might this be an option for November? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:02, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

I'd love to see this get featured, but maybe when a few of the other cities in Azerbaijan are more complete, especially the ones in the Get out section - currently Sheki is the only one in the list that is at a reasonable level. Secondly, is Baku not more of an OtBP destination rather than a DotM??? -- Tim (writeme!) 06:43, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Fair point about other cities, but the largest city and national capital of a reasonable-sized, strategically-placed country, with a city population of 2,000,000 or so, doesn't really seem OtBP to me. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:25, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Hmmm maybe, but I personally consider Azerbaijan off the beaten path as it is most definitely off the path trodden by your average traveller... -- Tim (writeme!) 12:37, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Being OtBP is a relative question — the next one scheduled has a population of 6.2 million, but (aside from us obsessive travelers) nobody's ever heard of it! Jpatokal 13:15, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Good article. I'd support it for OtBP given the region's obscurity as a travel destination, though I'd like to see some verbiage to accompany at least some of the MoS-licious data about what I can expect to find at the listed bars, cafes and restaurants. Gorilla Jones 13:44, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
My philosophy about determining whether or not a place is an OtBP destination includes the question – how easy is it to get into the place? Lufthansa has three flights a week from FRA, British Airways appears to have daily flights from London, however, a round trip flight seems to cost $1,400+. Plus, visitors need a visa to enter Azerbaijan. It's possible for travelers to get a visa at the Baku airport, however, you'll need to get a visa before your arrival if you intend to cross the border in another way. The mere logistics of planning a trip to Azerbaijan (let alone Baku) is daunting enough to say it's not a DoTM candidate. Even if someone suggested this as a OtBP candidate I could not support its candidacy because it doesn't meet MoS (even generally). Specifically, the problems are not all listings have addresses, or at the very least directions. Plus, there are some listings with absolutely no descriptions, which doesn't help me and I absolutely need information that will help my stay. Until then, I do not support. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 13:52, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Would support for OtBP after some clean up. There is still too much use of second person language and a lack of addresses - almost there...WindHorse 12:10, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

Harbin

The growth of this article has been just stellar lately, and it also gets extra brownie points for being a good cold winter destination: the Harbin Ice Festival, held every January, is a major tourism draw. Some formatting nits remain, but User:Rogerhc has been doing a great job whipping this into shape. Jpatokal 02:22, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

  • Almost, but not quite. There are still a number of grammar goofs, and any chance of getting a map up? Fix these and I'll support, unequivocally. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:14, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Almost support. I took a pass at cleaning it up, but it'll need more. It's remarkably comprehensive, but needs hours/prices/locations for the See section. Also, the Russian architectural influence is mentioned in passing, but it's several paragraphs into the article before we hear anything nice about the place (the summer climate). Gorilla Jones 11:19, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
Agree with above comments. It is near the top and just needs a little extra effort to get it onto the peak. Will nominate for COtW. WindHorse 12:12, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

Nominations for Off the Beaten Path

Guinsa

So far off the beaten track that I'm positive the article I wrote today is far and away the most complete guide in English available online or offline — which is a shame, because this place is stunning. And hey, how many guides do we have with useful snippets of info like "All things are both absolutely unreal and provisionally real at once"? Open all year around, but the area is best known for its fall colors. Jpatokal 08:05, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

  • I have several comments/questions before I'll vote in favor.
  1. If someone wanted tea where would they go?
  2. Is hiking the only thing that people can do? What about attending religious services or equivalent?
  3. What about contacting the outside world? Are there telephones or can someone use the internet there?
  4. Lastly, how did you hear about the place? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 08:23, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
  • Good questions, I'll add in the following: Tea and coffee are available in vending machines throughout the site, as is fresh water. There are religious services, field hoeing, kimchi preparation etc aplenty, but they're all in Korean which kinda limits the accessibility. There were public telephones at the post office (I remember this because we almost used them). And I heard about the place because LP deigns to grant it one paragraph on the last page (!) of the Korea guide, and then got intrigued when I googled it and a) saw this guy's photos and b) that there was practically no info available on it. Jpatokal 08:40, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
  • Support. Jpatokal, I was in a book store today and saw a LP Korea guide book. I went to the last page of the S. Korea section and have to admit you are correct on your article probably being the most informative guide available. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:21, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
  • Support, with distinct reservations. Content is excellent as regards attractions, but something useful and practical is needed for the "Sleep" section. If you can't sleep there, (1) is it really a destination and (2) where can you sleep? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:59, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
    • The article currently points to Danyang, which has a few sleep listings. Jpatokal 13:06, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
I don't mind the lack of accommodations inside the town because Jani does point us to the another destination that does have accommodation. Jani did such a great job on this article it would be foolish not to showcase it in some manner. This article proves that the paper guide books will have nothing on us. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 13:18, 28 October 2006 (EDT)



Havelock Island

I am going there for my honeymoon and on return, I am fully determined to make this up to scratch. Any ideas on what it lacks will be appreciated. — Ravikiran 14:25, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Bump. We are leaving on the 26th for the place. — Ravikiran 05:58, 22 January 2007 (EST)
  • Support – I just cleaned this up more and added several new pictures, and added a map a couple weeks back as well. Having spent a month there, I'd say this article is very much near-complete... the only thing I can think of adding is a drop-dead gorgeous sunset picture at Radhanagar Beach... no offense to the already decent one we've got by Ravikiran, I've seen some nicer sunsets there, and some knockout pics, just not that meet our license requirements, yet. It would probably be best to feature this in February, March or April, though it could also go in September/October/November if we were desperate to fill a slot. – cacahuate talk 01:47, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I think it needs some telephone numbers for the sleep & eat places if at all possible, plus some "Drink" places. Some of the "Eat" and the "Internet" need addresses. What does "PCO/ISD's" mean? If thse were fixed I would support it. -- DanielC 16:05, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
Most place on the island don't have telephones, which is why there aren't any listed... and the same for addresses, there's just 2 roads on island and no street addresses, so the only way to list them is by saying which beach they're at... believe it or not, this article is pretty darn complete. It covers almost all of the possible things to do and the main places to stay. The only drinking options are to buy beer at the beer shop near the port (that's already listed) or from a few of the guesthouse restaurants (also mentioned), so there's no way to expand that. PCO/ISD's are the phone booths around India... PCO for local, ISD for international, they're all over India and explained in the main guide, and I just added a little clarifying note on the Havelock page too – cacahuate talk 04:08, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. This would be a good winter destination. Jpatokal 07:07, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. A clear article with good images. Agree that it would make an excellent winter destination. WindHorse 20:11, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Just a note, Dec and most of Jan can be not so great weather, so better to feature after that, or just before would be second best – cacahuate talk 21:39, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support, although I'd drop the Island Vinnie's tent photo - too dark. How about February, then? Gorilla Jones 10:10, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

Tampere

It's got the Lenin Museum, a library full of Moomins, sausages made from pig blood, 20,000 hard-drinking students and a fairly decent article. What more do you need? Definitely a summer (June-August) destination, and while Finland's 2nd largest city this is still pretty obscure by world standards, so I'd go for OtBP over DotM. Jpatokal 22:03, 1 February 2007 (EST)

  • Support. A really good article. -- DanielC 08:07, 2 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support. Good article, and as a connoisseur of Lenin statues, I feel qualified to say that's an excellent photo. Gorilla Jones 14:08, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Windsor (Ontario)

Fairly complete article. The only problem I really see is a lack of photos, but if I ever get my film developed I can solve that problem. Time format should be MoS'd (I have a hard time reminding myself to do civilian time). Also, I didn't include a whole lot of info for the descriptions of listings, but I'll dfix that in a few days. I thinks some of the strong points are: the "Get in" info, the abundance of nightlife, and the diverse cultural aspects of the city (you have Middle Eastern/Lebanese, Asian, Italian, African neighborhoods all within several minutes of each other).

I'd suggest making this DoTM for summer '07 or early fall. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 03:36, 2 December 2006 (EST)

  • I'd support this providing the issues Sapphire mentioned above are addressed. I'd also like to see an understand section, more info in get around and at least a few listings in budget sleep. If that gets done it'll be a nice article. -- Tim 04:47, 2 December 2006 (EST)
  • A problem I see with this is that, while the Windsor article has lots of good stuff, Windsor as a destination is dominated by that city across the river -- and its article still needs serious work despite its "Guide" status. Some discussion of how to handle DotM candidates along national borders, with matching cities across the border, might be appropriate before proceeding with this one. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:30, 3 December 2006 (EST)
OTBP is an option too, but it's not exactly off the path. I suggested summer 07 because looking over I'm not as happy with the article as I thought I was and in a few weeks I should whip this in shape. -- Andrew (Sapphire)
  • Support for OTBP, because iit's not one of the main destinations in Canada (and I've never heard of it!) - DanielC 16:13, 2 February 2007 (EST)
Aren't all destinations in Canada OTBP... by definition? :) But seriously, Detroit/Windsor is Canada's busiest border crossing, and one of the busiest in the world. Just about anyone driving into Canada from the U.S. Midwest goes through Windsor. To say nothing of its popularity among 19/20-year-olds and strip-club patrons throughout Southeast Michigan. -Todd VerBeek 16:14, 5 February 2007 (EST)
Since this one is in the gray area between DotM and OtBP, I suggest we consider it a "utility" destination to plug into whichever of the two is more in need of candidates. At the moment the DotM list is actually more sparse than OtBP, so how about we use it for the August DotM (Portland still being short on photos) and look for a different August OtBP? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:49, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Support - clean, simple article - summer best for feature? WindHorse 19:34, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Rietvlei Nature Reserve

We can keep this one in reserve in case we ever run short of Off the Beaten Path destinations. Rietvlei is a small reserve with a low number of visitors, facilities are basic, but adequate and well maintained. Will appeal to anyone that feels it is totally wrong to be stuck in a city when visiting "wild" Africa. Given the mild Highveld climate it does not really matter when one visits, but early spring (starting September) probably gives the best balance between number of bird species present and ease of game viewing due to still short winter grass. -- NJR_ZA 09:46, 4 February 2007 (EST)

Looks good, but is a bit bare in some places - why must you bring in your own food etc? If there's no restaurant etc say so... Plus which bit of the reserve is good for seeing a particular animal? Maybe a bit more in the history section as well? I like reading that kind of stuff (although I know we don't want to become wikipedia!) Could do with a few more details in the sleep and get out! -- Tim 10:05, 4 February 2007 (EST)
Thanks for the feedback again, I'll work on those. History in many areas of South Africa is however a bit of a problem; there just is not a lot to go around. The reserves history can be summed up as: someone tried a bit of farming around 1910, nothing much happened for a while, a dam was build in the 1930s, nothing much happened for a while, the area was proclaimed a reserve in 1948, nothing much happened for a while, some tar roads were put down in the 1980s, nothing much happened for a while, you can visit there today and enjoy the fact that nothing much happened to spoil the natural beauty of the area. -- NJR_ZA 12:38, 4 February 2007 (EST)
haha i love that! put it in the article!i should have added that once you've made those changes i mentioned, and maybe generally added a bit more depth, i'll support-- Tim 13:01, 4 February 2007 (EST)
I'm wondering if this article could be moved into the Nov-Dec slot. If so, then I would like to shift Guinsa to Sep-Oct and Namche Bazaar into the Oct-Nov slot. The tourist season in Namche is short, so if it cannot be be destination of the month in the Fall, then it will need to wait until April. Guinsa is also suitable to display in early Fall as it is the best time to view the Fall leaf colors. Thoughts? WindHorse 11:57, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
I was thinking the same thing, and have made the change; let's see what attention it attracts. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:32, 15 June 2007 (EDT)
Nov-Dec will be good for this one. Many travelers from the Northern Hemisphere visit South Africa during our summer. Some of the better known destinations can get rather busy during that time and offering an alternative like this will be a good idea. --NJR_ZA 14:05, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

Namche Bazaar

Can't get much more OTBP than this little Sherpa village located a six day walk from the nearest road and in the shadow of Mount Everest. Needs a photograph, but locating one shouldn't be too difficult. Only April, October or November are suitable months to feature. Other times are out of season, either because its too cold or the peaks are lost in mist. WindHorse 09:09, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Support A good article given that it's probably a fairly rudimentary place. It must have a photograph though. -- DanielC 17:48, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
It's a well-written article. I've asked a couple of the people who have photos on Wikipedia if they'd consider re-licensing them. Gorilla Jones 14:05, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
W00t! We've got a photo. Gorilla Jones 18:18, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support, but I'd rather see this in October (remember that the November OtBP doesn't get posted until November 15), before the trekking season ends, if Guinsa could be pushed back to November. Otherwise reserve it for the 2008 season -- not much point in running the article at a time when nobody will benefit from it. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:05, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Agree that Mid-Oct - Mid-Nov would be the ideal slot for Namche as that is peak season. Mid-Nov is getting a little late. However, I note that Guinsa is particularly beautiful in the Fall because of the tree colors, so October might be the best time to show case that article also... Wonder whether Rietvlei Nature Reserve could be moved into the Nov slot and Guinsa and Namche moved forward. The intro for Rietvlei states that it is a good all-year destination, though September is better because of an increase in animal numbers.... WindHorse 00:15, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

Space

Just throwin' it out there... can't get more OTBP than that... and the article's pretty comprehensive, considering the limited options... and I'm in love with the new opening picture... OR... should this wait a couple/few years until there's a little larger # of people going up each year? – cacahuate talk 01:08, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

At first I thought this was a little ridiculous, but I'm rather pleasantly surprised by the article. I mean there's off-the-beaten-path, then there's absurd. Some of the options listed in the guide are surprisingly cheap and with a little savings someone like me – trying to get into college and working a job at a restaurant – could actually participate in. If I hadn't actually read the article I'd be ignorant about those options.
However, the thing that sold me is that the understand section is very, very eloquent, which we often lack in our guides. I think this would be the perfect DotM/OtBP candidate, especially as it highlight and exemplifies some of our goals and philosophies, which can never be expressed by our other guides. Support -- Sapphire(Talk) • 05:08, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
Support. Nowhere is cooler than the space! Guoyifan 12 April (EDT)
  • Actually Space can be very hot as well. :) Support. No hurry to feature it; it's not going anywhere. - Todd VerBeek 12:24, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Do not support -- yet. Cute idea, and well-done article, but too many offerings in the article aren't presently available no matter how much money you have. When Virgin Galactic, etc., actually start offering trips rather than just promising them in the future, I'll reconsider. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 20:52, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, good point Bill. I suppose it would also suck to feature it now, and then when things are really rockin' up there not want to feature it again. Waiting might be good. – cacahuate talk 23:08, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
So let's provisionally slot it for June 2015 - 2020, in case NASA starts taking people to the moon. I say June because that seems to be when the weather permits shuttle launches. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 23:13, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Don't plan on seeing any Shuttle launches in 2015; those birds will be 23-31 years old by then, and fit for museum display only. - Todd VerBeek 09:39, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
Well, supposedly they don't want to send shuttles to the moon, but something closer to the Apollo modules. Plus, the current birds are going to retire in 2010, then we can all go to Dayton and see them up close and personal. -- Sapphire(Talk)
I though the Toyota Prius was being modified for moon launches, no? – cacahuate talk 11:15, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Mount Fuji

High-quality article with a decidedly different spin on what the "beaten path" is all about. It's on my lifetime list of things to do, and I'd definitely use this article in doing it. Suggested for August, with Windsor (above) moving to DotM instead. (Note that there is a "beaten path" on Fuji, but that doesn't keep it from being OtBP...) -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:54, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Support - very good article. -- -- Tim (writeme!) 16:00, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Support – I think the article looks really good. I reorganized a little bit, and removed the external links from the sleep section... there's several more places listed on them, but only 2 in the actual article... is that sufficient, or should we try to pull some more off those sites? Also see Talk:Mount Fuji for another question. Otherwise I think it looks pretty good. – cacahuate talk 16:28, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Meh – I have nothing against the article (I wrote much of it), but Ashikaga, Japan is OTBP as I write this, and the much linked to Fuji Five Lakes article remains red. So I'd like to push this into 2008, and then schedule it in June/July before the climbing season starts. Jpatokal 17:45, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Do not really support. The article in itself is very good, no question about that. However, I am not quite sure that this is a Off the beaten path destination, it is a place most people (including Westerners) have heard of, and know it is possible to climb. It is not a place that people would discover on the top page and say "well, I did not know about that". Previous Japanese features such as Ashikaga or Iya Valley are more representative of an Otbp to me....Tensaibuta 08:49, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
    • So would you support this as a DotM instead? And I agree that it's not very OtBP — it's the only hike I've ever done where I've gotten stuck in a human traffic jam. Jpatokal 09:15, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
      • Personally, I'd still say OtBP. Most people have "heard of" Fuji, but relatively few outside Japan have given serious thought to climbing it. Or are there more gaijin on the mountain than I think? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:28, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
    • I would strongly support as DotM. As for the gaijins on the mountain... even more than in Roppongi on Saturday night :) Tensaibuta 09:37, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
      • Yeah, it's one of those rites of passage for gaijin staying in Tokyo for even a slightly longer time — and I'd wager that, percentagewise, more gaijin in Tokyo have done the trek than Tokyo natives. Jpatokal 10:05, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
        • Elsewhere, too. Japanese friends have asked me why so many gaijin climb Fuji. I wouldn't object to it being DoTM, but I could still see it as OtBP, given how out-of-the-way Shizuoka is, and how you have to set aside probably three days for it — it's something resident gaijin are more likely to do than traveling gaijin on one or two week itineraries. It's OtBP for the average visitor to Japan. Gorilla Jones 10:22, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
          • Support, though I personally consider it to be more a DoTM than OtBP. Although Shizuoka itself is not a destination, it is only a short hop on the shinkansen from Tokyo. And, as Jpatokal states, legging it up Fuji seems to be thing Western travelers in particular see as a feather in their cap of experiences. However, OtBP is also not an unreasonable assessment.... WindHorse 12:48, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

Paarl

Good article for a continent we haven't featured much. Not sure of the best time to visit. -- DanielC 17:34, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

  • I'd like to see the non-listing aspect of this article fleshed out a bit more first. - Todd VerBeek 17:52, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Good, but not good enough. Eat and Sleep listings need prices, Sleep should also be split into Bud/Mid/Spl. Drink section needs a little more info. Jpatokal 18:33, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

South Luangwa National Park

Good article. Says best times to visit are: "Depending on who you ask, the best times to go are November-December (when the rains start), April-May (when they end) or August-September (when the water levels are at their lowest)". -- DanielC 15:58, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

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