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==Nominations for Off the Beaten Path==
==Nominations for Off the Beaten Path==
Revision as of 08:55, 1 April 2009
Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the Month (DOTM) and Off the Beaten Path (OTBP).
You can nominate an article you would like to see featured; just say a few words about why, and select a good time to go. Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for DotM/OtBP.
The basic format of a nomination is as follows:
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. ~~~~
However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:
- The nominated article should have an article status of guide or star. This includes having at least one good picture, and listings/headers/etc. that match our manual of style.
- The nominated article should be featured at a good time to visit.
- The nominated article must not have been featured previously.
- If the article has been nominated previously but failed, any objections should be addressed before nominating it again.
- See Slush pile to check.
- If you think a once-slushed destination is now ready to go, list it as new, but with a pointer to the slush pile entry.
You can also comment on any previous nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~
If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the queue.
Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:
- "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc do not count.
- "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
- "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DoTM or OtBP can be worked out later.
Discussions for previously selected destinations are in the Archive. Discussions for nominations that didn't make the grade are in the Slush pile.
Upcoming DOTM / OTBP
The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, while OtBPs are changed on the 15th.
These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.
The section below provides an opportunity to see what the DOTM and OTBP will look like on the Main Page. Please remember that main page real-estate is a valuable commodity, so keep the description brief and the photo small.
Boracay is a tropical island in the Philippines, about an hour's flight from Manila. Its long white sand beaches are among the best in Asia if not the world, but there are also extensive watersports facilities and nightlife options for all budgets and tastes. (more...)
Tywyn is a town and seaside resort on the Cardigan Bay shoreline of Mid Wales, in south-western corner of the Snowdonia National Park, famous for its lush green valleys and hills. It's also the home of Talyllyn heritage railway and 4 miles of sandy beach. (please help improve this lead)(more...)
Nominations for Destination of the Month
The Philippines is comprise of 7,100 and more islands yet none of these had been nominated at least once since 2004 compared to other countries in Southeast Asia (maybe due to lack of promotion or perhaps unnoticed). This country has lots to offer: one of them is the white-sand beach Boracay. I nominate the destination (not because it is one of the few good travel guides here for the Philippines) to be featured on April 2008 because the country is on its hottest summer on that month and is ideal for beach-lovers. Alas 18:59, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
- Contentwise the article is good, but the style needs work. Restaurants and hotels should be split into Budget/Mid-range/Splurge, and many if not most of the entries need formatting. Jpatokal 23:39, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
- I'd already nominated this for OtBP (below) but would support it for DotM once the tidying that Jani recommends is done. I'll have a go. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:37, 1 January 2008 (EST)
Fascinating article that almost suffers from a TMI problem. There's a lot of stuff here that it would be hard to find in a dead-trees travel guide. Question for discussion: is this place OtBP or DotM? Either way, it looks interesting (in a touristy sort of way...). -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:34, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
- Is this a place where addresses don't matter? It has plenty of listings and descriptions but not much in the way of where places are. Gorilla Jones 20:37, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
- Boracay is one of the Phils' top tourist draws, so I think DotM would be more appropriate. Jpatokal 06:26, 15 February 2008 (EST)
So it this ready for February, anyone's input on the address situation? --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:34, 31 December 2008 (EST)
- bump again, is this ready to be tomorrows OTPB? /edit argh mixed up with DOTM, we still need to sort this out though' --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 15:00, 14 January 2009 (EST)
- Man, this is close, but not quite there yet. The addresses aren't a problem IMHO, they're nonexistent/useless in all Southeast Asian beaches, but the formatting and the lack of a budget/mid-range/splurge split are. The anonymous guy tending the article also has some quirky ideas about extlinks... Jpatokal 21:29, 15 January 2009 (EST)
- Almost support. It is close, but agree that style still needs some work. Needs a good copyedit, sleep and eat need price subdivisions, and if someone has time it would be nice to wt-ify the map and see if listings can't be placed – cacahuate talk 10:48, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- I can try to work on the map when I get some time, hopefully in the next day or two. I'm also not seeing any breadcrumbs on this article; is that just me? LtPowers 18:18, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- I see the breadcrumbs... :) – cacahuate talk 20:41, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- Support for March 2009, the article is in good shape and i dare to add it in the list with a qustion markjan 05:31, 25 January 2009 (EST)
- Note: I've not had any luck finding a high-enough resolution source from which to make a Wikitravel-style map. Even if I did, there are an awful lot of hotels and restaurants, and don't have a good way of pinpointing them on said map. Any suggestions are welcome. LtPowers 17:00, 31 January 2009 (EST)
- What about just wtify-ing this one? Can't help with listing placement though – cacahuate talk 03:13, 1 February 2009 (EST)
- I could, but the result would be necessarily less detailed than the original. Unless you just mean changing the colors to match our guidelines. LtPowers 08:50, 4 February 2009 (EST)
- If you have the time and inclination some more detailed maps are here  & here , while I suspect they official maps from the local tourist agency (which means public domain by Philippine law) I haven't been able to verify this - could use them for placement though, but that's a lot of work, though the end result would probably make us the best guide for the island, there is also a guidebook looking one here  :) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 16:08, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
- Did a superquick openstreetmap.org import of Boracay (Image:Boracay.svg) which had surprisingly good coverage, if you want to work with this - I'm sick of maps at the moment after doing a great deal of work on Copenhagen map imports. You can only select elements with the "Edit paths by nodes" tool, and text is imported as paths, but otherwise it works just as a regular svg. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 16:55, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
We've got <1 month until the next DotM change. Boracay has been nominated for the next DotM. Is it or is it not ready? If not, what will we do for March? One thing I might note is that we'd have 2 tropical islands in the Pacific featured for the first half of the month (along with Wake Island as OtBP, which in turn replaces an article for a tropical island). If there is any other article that could work for March, I think this should get bumped a month or two. Uluru isn't bad (although nominated for OtBP, but see discussion below). AHeneen 20:10, 3 February 2009 (EST)
One of the major destinations in Germany, with a very well written article. It lacks a map, and needs an external links attack, but otherwise looks very much up to DotM standards, I think. Don't know when would be best to feature. --Peter Talk 01:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
- Support. This was actually slushed once way back, but the article has improved by leaps and bounds since then. Definitely a late spring/summer destination though. Jpatokal 02:10, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
- I'd Support it
for February 2009 or around there. Keep smiling, ee talk 00:02, 11 November 2008 (EST).
- February is still deep winter in Germany at that time. Early fall is also an option though, mid-October was surprisingly pleasant... Jpatokal 02:18, 11 November 2008 (EST)
- Don't support. Overall a good article, but almost half of the Eat listings don't have descriptions, and almost none of the clubs or hotels have addresses. Gorilla Jones 19:50, 8 December 2008 (EST)
- Support It's a good article and it would be best in summer s loads of travellers arrive in September for trde fairs.jan 16:09, 24 January 2009 (EST)
Not a huge tourism destination (which is why it seems ok to go without districts), but one of England's biggest cities, and a major business hub. The article looks borderline perfect and the maps are jaw-dropping. Weather on this island is always rainy and a little chilly, and the main draws are nightlife, shopping, and proximity to nearby destinations, so it doesn't really matter when we feature it. --Peter Talk 01:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
- Meh. The article is certainly well done, but the city is not very appealing. We could use this in a pinch, but I'd rather give precedence to more "interesting" destinations if suitable articles can be found. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:13, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
- Couldn't have said it better myself! --Peter Talk 23:18, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
- Support. It is England's second-largest city, I think 3rd in UK behind Glasgow, not certain. Great Indian food, some nice pubs, ... Not big for tourism, but a convenient base for Stratford which is. If not DotM, could it be OtBP despite its size because it is not a big tourist area?
- Lots of people go there to work, from everywhere. ("How do you recognise a Brummie? There's a shamrock in his turban.") Huge numbers of students, too. Birmingham is a major university, largest nursing school in UK, I think medical as well. Aston University is not small, either. Pashley 05:50, 11 November 2008 (EST)
- Support - it's an amazing article and does have touristic draws. Not Peter and Bill, this isn't Tokyo or Hong Kong, maybe not even Seattle, but it deserves it because it has pretty good touristic stuff to do with it's size. It's very well written and a lot of work has gone into it. This could make the city more popular! Keep smiling, ee talk 17:38, 16 November 2008 (EST).
- Support. Excellent article - great find by Peter, and credit to the folks who worked on it. OtBP isn't a bad idea if its touristic charms aren't well known (they weren't to me), although I'm OK with a DotM as well.. Gorilla Jones 19:56, 8 December 2008 (EST)
- Objections Someone needs to pick up a yellow pages, or get going with google, and complete the adresses (I don't know, I have a feeling I may demand star quality sometimes) - At the very least, the drink section should be fixed up - this is England for heavens sake! :o) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:09, 8 December 2008 (EST)
- What addresses? From what I saw - everything was full. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:59, 19 December 2008 (EST).
I was told that the summer months fill up fast, so I want to propose this now, I suppose! Edmonton is a very touristy city (though you wouldn't think it upon glance): it's got North America's largest mall, vibrant theatre scene, growing retail market outside that mall (a lot already established), Canada's Festival City, Alberta's Captial, Canadas largest historic park, the biggest parkland system in North America, a growing population, and an out of this world job market. The best time would be between May and August. I would support it for June or July. What do you think? I have worked lots on the article and it has gotten praise by many people as being very good. So, from my mind, it's a touristy area (not the likes of Toronto or Tokyo, but holds it's own for it's size) and is a good article. Also, the new Art Gallery of Alberta will be open in March and will be a very amazing gallery that is going to be another major attraction-as opposed to previous when it was meh. Would you support it, gimme your thoughts! If you think there are major areas that need improvement (in the main and distict articles)...point them out for me so I can fix 'em. I don't think theres anything major wrong with it. Your thoughts? Keep smiling, ee talk 17:44, 16 November 2008 (EST).
- Support. Reads pretty well, has a few maps and photos and probably the most exhaustive coverage of Edmonton anywhere. A couple of the districts are weak in non-touristy areas and not all listings are complete, but I don't think that should hold it back. If we go ahead with it, I'd recommend August -- still summer but a couple months space from DW and SF. Shaund 00:52, 20 November 2008 (EST)
- Thanks Shaund. You are right, it is very comprehensive compared to other guides. Why? Because not everything is promoted well and you need to know exactly on the web where to find it or you won't find it. I know all those, which makes a big bonus for Wikitravel. Yeah, there are some non touristy areas-they're kind of the struggle. August would be fine, so long as it's one of the summer months-it'd be cool, Summer is the best time in the city. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 09:54, 20 November 2008 (EST).
- Support Well it's the one thing EE is doing right at the moment, so i'll throw in my support. It's quite impressive coverage for a young city this size, a couple of maps, and most of the entries look good. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:38, 8 December 2008 (EST)
Alright, so this time I have discovered an article which is at guide status. Hotels and most restaurants list addresses. The buy section is a bit slim and there is nothing in the work section (but does the work section really matter). Iceland has recently gone bankrupt and the people are clamoring for money that isn't worthless so it would be a destination where the dollar (or pound or euro or loonie) really goes far. Hot springs in an arctic land would make for an interesting late-winter or early spring article (Feb-Apr?), although the best time to visit would be in the summer. AHeneen 04:07, 25 November 2008 (EST)
- Support- looks fine , but then again I am not very proffessional and it would be outweighed to Stefan or Peter. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 10:37, 25 November 2008 (EST).
- Dubious it's not DOTM yet, but it could get there with a little work, as it is pretty close (might do some myself, maybe we should make it COTM!?) - as far is I'm concerned, there is only one good time to feature this, and that would be during the super cool Iceland Airwaves festival in October, as the town itself is rather dull, Iceland's impressive nature non withstanding. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:42, 27 November 2008 (EST)
- Sure dunt look boring to me. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 11:25, 2 December 2008 (EST).
- Almost support. Generally good, but the 'Understand' section stinks, and there's almost no descriptive text in the 'Drink' listings. Gorilla Jones 20:16, 8 December 2008 (EST)
It looks quite solid and shows a lot of information that is useful. It's listings are complete and looks like a neat lil destination. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 14:11, 8 December 2008 (EST).
Almost support. 'Do' section needs to have some sense ironed into it and someone will need to choose a lead image. The concerns about touristic charms from Birmingham above may apply here as well. Gorilla Jones 20:02, 8 December 2008 (EST)
Good example of a guide for a large city we haven't distritified, and hence no poor quality outline districts. Good content, a few of the listings are missing phone numbers, and some others opening hours, but overall I still think it's pretty much up to standard --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 14:12, 19 January 2009 (EST)
- Support A very good article in my opinion, but should it be districtified? AHeneen 19:12, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- Oppose. This is almost a textbook example of why a huge-city article should be districtified. Packaged in a single article, the information (which I agree is nice and comprehensive) is unwieldy and inaccessible, and doesn't take advantage of the superior means of organizing information that our district structure offers. Districtify it, then re-propose. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 20:37, 20 January 2009 (EST)
A rather boring dotm, I'd say, but the article is quite well written and has about all the information one needs. --Peter Talk 00:42, 6 February 2009 (EST)
- Support. Not much wrong with it that I can see, although I trimmed some of the more obnoxious warning boxes. Jpatokal 03:09, 21 February 2009 (EST)
A nice big city article, with a nice map to boot. --Peter Talk 00:42, 6 February 2009 (EST)
- Not yet. There's no contact info for most of the eat section, and no descriptions for most of the sleep options. But it's taking shape nicely otherwise – cacahuate talk 12:13, 7 February 2009 (EST)
- Yeah, I need to get back on this article actually. I'll see if I can whip it into shape. Texugo 02:03, 8 February 2009 (EST)
- Update - Completed contact info for Buy, Eat, Drink, and most of the See section. Hotel descriptions are forthcoming. Texugo 10:17, 9 February 2009 (EST)
- Support. A few of the hotels could use descriptions, but otherwise it's pretty darn close to perfect. Jpatokal 07:49, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- Support - Nice work mate, but darn we have many previous Japanese OtBP/DOTM's --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 08:11, 17 February 2009 (EST)
It's an interesting and easily accessible destination that many travellers to Japan seem to skip over. As a grossly underrated destination, it would be nice to see it featured. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs)
- Don't support. Articles must be guide status or better... and this one is quite far off, eat and sleep sections are sparse and disorganized, for a start :) – cacahuate talk 01:08, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- If people skip over it, perhaps this would be better in the "off the beaten path" section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChubbyWimbus (talk • contribs)
- While not super-popular, it's a large city on the bullet train trunk line and a fairly common stopover along the way to Hiroshima, so it's more DotM than OtBP in my book. Jpatokal 01:15, 19 February 2009 (EST)
- I want to get this article to guide status, and I've been working on it little by little, but are there any areas aside from the "Eat" section that are not up to par? Also, what is the best way to search for dining places and giving good tips without actually having visited them? ChubbyWimbus 22:27, 24 February 2009 (EST)
Alexander has done an incredible job with this article, and I think it's easily up to our dotm standards. I'm nominating it as a dotm, because it is one of the main stops on the very popular Golden Ring circuit in Russia. But I think it's a borderline case that could be featured as either a dotm or otbp—whichever is in greater demand. --Peter Talk 22:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- Support — Seems rather complete and it's a UNESCO heritage site. Given the unclear support for Boracay, Birmingham, & Reykjavik plus the fact Uluru was nominated for OtBP...I'd say this could be fit in as an DotM sometime in the summer (between May-August). My only complaint would be that Bogolyubovo in the "Get out" should be removed and put in a separate article. AHeneen 22:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- We discussed on the Russian version whether Bogolyubovo should get its own article and decided pro. So Alexander will probably take care of that on the English version as well long before this would be featured. I'd widen the featuring window to May–October—Fall is definitely my favorite time to travel in this area, not yet cold and far less crowded (which also means less touts and other assorted rogues). --Peter Talk 23:07, 18 February 2009 (EST)
- Bogolyubovo has now been spun out into its own article. --Peter Talk 02:32, 24 February 2009 (EST)
- I am not eligible to vote here, I guess. So, just a short comment on the season. In my opinion, the best time for travelling in Central Russia is late spring (May) or mid-autumn (end of September, October – Indian summer). Atsirlin 03:15, 24 February 2009 (EST)
- Support, but: I suspect this may be better as OtBP. The Golden Ring is rather overshadowed by Moscow and St. Petersburg, at least to most English-speaking travelers, and treating this article as OtBP would be a good way to introduce it, while having it as DotM may leave most readers (at least most readers of an English-language wiki) saying "Huh?". Either way, the article is excellent, and Alexander, your "vote" counts for just as much as anyone else's! -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:05, 24 February 2009 (EST)
- Sure it's overshadowed by Moscow/St.Petersburg, but the Golden Ring is probably about third after those two in terms of foreign tourists. While it is still little known, I gave my reasons as to why it should be DotM and otherwise, OtBP nominations are a bit full plus Yakutsk was a recent OtBP and I hope to get Kamchatka up to OtBP-quality soon...making 3 Russian OtBP in, let's say, 12 months. As Peter said in nominating, it could be either, but DotM seems like the best place it can fit. AHeneen 19:51, 24 February 2009 (EST)
- Yakutsk, Kamchatka, Sakhalin, Vladimir, Olkhon - we're going be in darn good shape for Russia, when I also finish my Russian side kicks :) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:06, 24 February 2009 (EST)
- Foreign English-speaking tourists? What's "on the beaten path" for a Russian or Eastern European may not be for the majority of users of the English-language version of Wikitravel. (And vice versa; I've had some misgivings about some things we've called DotMs on the grounds that, if you're not a resident of an English-speaking country, they're quite definitely off the beaten path.) However, I don't feel strongly about calling it OtBP; the article is good enough that we should feature it somewhere. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:16, 24 February 2009 (EST)
- Well, like I said, I think it could go either way. But the path here is very well-beaten, and I don't mean in terms of domestic tourism—endless boatloads and busloads of foreign tourists come here, as the Golden Ring circuit (at least parts of it) is included in virtually all "tour Russia packages" for Westerners. Of the sizable cities on the route, I believe that Vladimir is the most visited, since it's easy to combine it with a visit to ever popular Suzdal. Personally, I'd want to avoid coming here during the summer months—in addition to the humidity, I'd worry that my "Russian" experience would turn into a joust for camera space with some hungover Finns, a group of loud Italian women, and a septuagenarian couple from the Detroit suburbs. --Peter Talk 14:07, 25 February 2009 (EST)
- That's interesting, When I was in Suzdal in May, which I suppose is the top attraction, we basically had the place to ourselves - well everything was booked up, but it was all Russians. You know Russia better than me, but judging from the tourist facilities in Vladimir, I'd personally be surprised if I bumped into anyone from States. But then again, it might be because we were travelling independently, and it was out of season. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 15:22, 25 February 2009 (EST)
A UNESCO World Heratige site, the first national park in the world, and a very popular "nature" destination here in the US. It is best in the summer, which looks full right now, but wouldn't be terribly bad in the fall. AHeneen 00:47, 2 March 2009 (EST)
- The Tower Roosevelt section needs some information/description, along with the Natural Bridge, but the page looks good to me! There is always that looming issue of too many American destinations, but I have mixed feelings about that. Of course, ideally, the featured destinations would be highly diverse, leaving no nation or area of the world out however, I also feel that if the Wikitravel community chooses to make better pages for countries like the U.S., Japan, and strangely Cambodia has been featured a few times, there is not much that can be done (aside from those who want to see new places featured actually working to get them up to standards). I'd support Yellowstone. ChubbyWimbus 05:09, 3 March 2009 (EST)
- Support, with reservations. The article is quite good; I use it, despite being something of a "regular" at Yellowstone. However, as with most US national parks, I'm not convinced that a Yellowstone article shows Wikitravel to best advantage (or vice versa, which is maybe less important). There are two problems. First, there's a great deal of good stuff on line on Yellowstone already, much of it in more coherent form than is true for other DotMs. Second, the "attractions" of the park are not well presented in the limited format that we've imposed on ourselves here. Yes, the article "can" be used in DotM, in that it meets all of the requirements for a DotM article. That doesn't necessarily mean that it should be. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:50, 3 March 2009 (EST)
I know too little about travel in Germany to judge whether this should be a dotm or an otbp, but I think this article is up to snuff either way. --Peter Talk 21:08, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
- Support DOTM during the Wagner festival - definitely! August is taken, so let's make it July--Stefan (sertmann) Talk 21:23, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
- Support. Looks great! Jpatokal 02:17, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
- Support One or two more pictures would be nice, though. ChubbyWimbus 21:46, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
It's a great article, and an amazing destination for travelling.
- Not Yet It actually looks pretty good and could probably be considered a guide, except the Cope section appears to have been overlooked. It's there but empty! ChubbyWimbus 11:15, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
Thanks to Mr Yurkin I finally bumped into a worthy candidate outside North America and Asia - apart from the odd ones in Europe, they are extremely hard to come by! While there are a few flaws (like missing addresses) I really think the information there is so good and comprehensive, that we can turn our blind eye to these.
- Support!! --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 23:19, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
- Support. Great to have an African destination featured, although it would be nice to develop the understand section a bit more. --Peter Talk 23:48, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
- Support. I love the spice market picture! Jpatokal 02:57, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
- Support I agree that more attention needs to be given to African destinations. Since they must be at guide status in order to be DOTM, I am just thinking it should be bumped up to the right status. Any reason why it is still only at usable status? ChubbyWimbus 05:30, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
Anne has put a bunch of work into this guide lately, and I think it looks pretty great. It's a world heritage site and Guatemala's top city destination, so I think it would be fine dotm material.
- Support. --Peter Talk 19:55, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Wow! This looks good! Is there a more appropriate place to put the "laundry" information aside from the Buy section? It really doesn't seem to belong there. 126.96.36.199 04:51, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
Nominations for Off the Beaten Path
I can't help but feel this National Park is a hidden gem overshadowed by parks like Yosemite, OTB this article is. There is a great picture, along with a park map. Great place & Great Article. -188.8.131.52 21:14, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
- Maybe I think the number of US DotM and OtBP destinations have been a little disproportionate. Don't take that as rude (I, myself, am an American), but that's the truth. If we do list another US destination, it should be something "off the beaten path", as in...away from big cities, in the middle of nowhere (somewhat), and someplace many have never heard of (this article meets that, but it is too close to San Francisco). Just my opinion, it's not as if I speak for everyone. AHeneen 19:48, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
- Maybe. I'll second that maybe. It's interesting, and the article is pretty well done. Is there nowhere to eat there? Only the one place 45 min away at Drake's beach? We should at least put contact info for that place. I think we could use this if we need to fill a slot. But I wouldn't cry if we skipped it either. If it does get featured, I'll do a WT style map for it first – cacahuate talk 15:55, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
- Support - overall it is pretty good just from a quick look. The only thing that the Buy and Get out areas need more loving and caring! edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:05, 14 December 2008 (EST).
This article is very good and gives a good insight into the Medieval Capital of Ireland. Its small nature, I feel, qualifies it for Off the BEaten Track. As a resident of Kilkenny, I feel that it deserves the opportunity to be on this list.
The article contains many nice photos and detailed descriptions of Hotels and ways of getting in and, of course, things to to.
It is a guide article.
- Close. There are a few edits that need to be done -- contact info and hours for restaurants, typo repair, ideally adding a map -- before I'd support it unequivocally, but all are doable. Let's keep an eye on this one to see how it develops; it's definitely a reasonable candidate. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:37, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
- New information on eat has been added, with new maps and photographs.
- Another map copyright issue on this one. Please respond at the shared:vfd page. --Peter Talk 10:47, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
- Support. Great page. It has a thorough description of things to do and where to go. Great Photos.
- I have been working on this article for a while now, and I think it could possibly be up to scratch. Maps have been added, comprehensive food, drink and accommodation listings are in place and good quality photos too. The structure might be a bit off, so I was wondering if anyone could give any suggestions as to where to go from here? --User:LikeThatWillHappen 00:47, 8 March 2009 (GMT)
- The big missing thing appears to be a street map, which could be lifted from OpenStreetMap without too much effort (see Wikitravel:How to create a map). The Irish phrase don't belong in a small city, that's what the Irish phrasebook is for. Other than that, looks good to go — what time of year is best? Jpatokal 02:47, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
Nicely turned out article on a small city in Denmark with some attractions. I'm not sure there really are "Off the Beaten Path" locales in western Europe, but this one seems to qualify, and we're probably overdue for an OtBP there. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:02, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
- Support. Some listings could use more detail, but overall it seems to cover the destination well. Good OtBP candidate. Gorilla Jones 19:42, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
- Support. I presume summer is best? Jpatokal 06:30, 15 February 2008 (EST)
- Support. Anywhere from May til September would fit, if it get's nominated i'll work on it a bit too - would love to see a Danish destination :) Sertmann 18:35, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
Support. Looks ok. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:52, 19 December 2008 (EST).
Has a couple of very interesting attractions and some small-town, away-from-the-interstate charm. Might be too small to be featured, but it's a nice weekend trip. Could work for December (there are Christmas festivities in town, and the House on the Rock supposedly goes all out for Christmas), otherwise a warm weather month. The major article for the region, Madison, is in reasonably good shape. Gorilla Jones 19:38, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
- Not yet - I don't know if being too small is a problem - we've had Berneray as OtBP and that article covers 10 sq km and has just 128 residents. However there are a few problems - we need a few more things to do listed either in See/Do or the Get Out section, a bit more info in the get in section (e.g. nearest airport) and some more info about the town as a whole. I also like to read about places before I visit, so some general pre-visit info and history about the town would be nice. Also there needs to be more details about the hiking trails and canoe trips. If we get this to a reasonable standard, then maybe it would be a good candidate for when the American Playhouse Theatre does their annual outdoor Shakespeare festival? -- Tim (writeme!) 09:06, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
- Support. I don't see anything wrong with the article? It seems to have something in all the main sections, and just being small isn't really a problem for OtBP. Jpatokal 06:30, 15 February 2008 (EST)
- Support -- reluctantly. I had an experience very close to this town that makes it difficult for me to recommend any site in southwestern Wisconsin for visits. However, that was probably an isolated case, the article is well done, and House-on-the-Rock is just weird enough to be good OtBP fodder, so I'll lay aside my personal distaste for the area and say yes. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 19:16, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
- Support. Spring Green makes for a fantastic OtbP in my estimation. It should definitely be featured May – October, since the tours of the Taliesin Estate only run during those months. The article could use a little polishing, but I think that will probably happen before next May. --Peter Talk 00:45, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
This would be a great first Mongolian OtBP, and there's a gorgeous lead pic to boot. The content is there, but the article still needs some MoS work. Jpatokal 03:16, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
- Support. Just about the model of what an OtBP article should be, and the MoS work isn't all that big a deal (although it should be done). When's the best time? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:48, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
- Support. And oh how I love this magnificent country!!! It should not be featured before June when the hills turns green - June would actually be the perfect month - and probably not after October, winter is nasty nasty in Mongolia, but then again, it would be even more OtBP to go there in -40 degrees. Sertmann 18:33, 5 November 2008 (EST)
- Just a reminder, we should email User:HovdProject when we feature this. Bunch of volunteers from Peacecorps etc., doing the writing to promote tourism in the area, I think they'd be proud to see Hovd featured on our front page. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 02:20, 9 December 2008 (EST)
Great little article. With a little polishing this could be our first Caribbean OtBP! Jpatokal 09:38, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
- Let's see the polishing first. There's rather little contact information for Eat/Sleep/Drink and it needs a map. The idea of a Caribbean OtBP is indeed appealing, but Virgin Gorda (next entry) is closer to ready. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:06, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
- Truely of the beaten path Caribbean destination. Very specific and insightful article. While you may see other Caribbean islands nominated, it doesn't get more OtBP than Saba. With a complete article and an abundance of resources, why not?--AZGSB9 18:03, 29. May 2008 (EDT)
- Support, with one caveat—there should be at least one shop named under buy. If we move forward with this as an OtBP, I'll see if I can put together a map (if it's possible!). --Peter Talk 21:52, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
- Objections The cities should atleast be usable first OR merged into the main article Sertmann 20:17, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
- Don't support until the city situation is sorted, and eat/sleep cleaned up. See Talk:Saba – cacahuate talk 20:30, 27 November 2008 (EST)
Off the beaten path but certainly in the news; just named a UNESCO World Heritage site and Thailand and Cambodia are still squabbling over it. Now has a gorgeous new map from Wikimedia Commons. Good more or less any time of the year, perhaps best in the winter though. Jpatokal 05:49, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
- Undecided. If "Thailand and Cambodia are still squabbling over it," is it really a good idea to recommend travel to it? How serious is the "squabbling"? Please advise. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 08:54, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
- Not particularly serious. Thailand occasionally closes off access for a day or two, but it's fully accessible from the Cambodian side (if rather harder to get to). Jpatokal 04:08, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
- You're positive? This article kinda caught my attention... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:00, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
- Should we create an "adventurous dotm" section for the main page? – cacahuate talk 23:36, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
- I thought we called that "OtBP". Jpatokal 08:56, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
- "Off," not "On," and "Beaten," not "Bombarded," "Besieged," "Battlefield..." -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:57, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
- OK, if the squabbling has died down, I'll support, but let's keep an eye on it. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:29, 2 November 2008 (EST)
- I've popped this off the list for time being, but mostly because Phnom Penh is about to be featured. Let's see again in late 2009. Jpatokal 07:26, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- Best to Wait right now. According to the BBC , Thai troops have just taken over the whole temple compound. Not sure if that will mean a skirmish, but that doesn't sound like it will make visiting a safe thing to do. AHeneen 07:10, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
It's always good to feature more articles on Oz, and this one does a fine job with a famously out-of-the-way feature, describing some of the other stuff in the vicinity besides Uluru itself. January/February? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:57, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
- Support. However, the article suggest that Dec-Jan is brutal, and July-Sep is the best time to go. Jpatokal 08:05, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
- Support. Great to see that the nearby town is also a nice article. --Peter Talk 14:19, 11 November 2008 (EST)
- Support. July-Sept timeframe is good, although anytime other than Nov-Mar is probably fine. I was there in late Oct and the heat was tolerable, although starting to get very warm by mid-day (mid 30s). Shaund 01:02, 20 November 2008 (EST)
- Oppose. 5 star accommodation, tours galore, more coaches with occupants sipping champagne next to them than you can poke a stick at, in massive carparks. Major airport a few kilometres away, with shuttle buses linking the choices of swimming pools, bars and restaurants. On the travel route of most coach tours, retirees, and backpackers. Hard to see what beaten track this is off --Inas 23:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)
- That's a valid reason to propose moving this to DotM, but it's not a valid reason to oppose the nomination itself. Jpatokal 07:48, 9 December 2008 (EST)
- Prooably true, however it wouldn'r feel right to me to move people's opinions from off the beaten track to DotM. The opinions expressed may be different. If anyone thinks it should still be a DotM it is easy enough for them to move it upwards, and restart a discussion there, and avoid any possibility that people don't know what they are supporting. --Inas 16:16, 9 December 2008 (EST)
- Almost Support It isn't a bad article at first glance, but I think it should be a bit longer before being featured. The "flora/fauna", "climate", "see", & "do" sections need to be lengthened/elaborated. Furthermore, I agree with Inas that this is a MAJOR destination. I'd fathom a guess that a third to half of all tourists to Australia visit Uluru. This should most certainly be a DotM. It would be nice to feature this in May (when it's a bit cooler Down Under) AHeneen 04:58, 1 February 2009 (EST)
One suggestion: feature Australia's Northern Territory instead as a DotM (Uluru is in the Northern Territory). I believe it is Wikitravel's first true guide-level region article, and all the linked destinations, including Uluru, are well developed, with maps. --Peter Talk 02:40, 25 February 2009 (EST)
- Support! That's a pretty impressive region. Jpatokal 09:10, 25 February 2009 (EST)
- Support But, are regions able to be featured based on the guidelines? Isn't this like Indiana, which is specifically stated as being not allowed? Doesn't it need to be a city or National Park? Did this change? ChubbyWimbus 10:21, 25 February 2009 (EST)
- Good point. I've brought this up on the talk page. --Peter Talk 11:27, 25 February 2009 (EST)
A really good article on a small place. Best time is May to September I presume. -- DanielC 14:59, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
- Support. It's amazing the amount of information accumulated for such a small place. Summer is definitely the best time to visit Wales so, as DanielC recommends, let's hold for a May to September slot. Frequenttrekker 22:55, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
- Support - for the reasons mentioned above. WindHorse 23:18, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
- Support, of the beaten path? Maybe next year during May or June, that'd be nice, heh! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 12:04, 2 November 2008 (EST).
- Support. Great article in a beautiful part of the country—that's quite an exceptional get out section too. --Peter Talk 14:12, 11 November 2008 (EST)
- Support But let's get a map together, and make it star at the same time. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 21:01, 27 November 2008 (EST)
- Support. A sertmann-esque map would be lovely. The only other thing I see on a quick scan is that phone #'s should be formatted internationally (+44-xxx-xxx-xxxx) – cacahuate talk 02:07, 28 November 2008 (EST)
- Support Really nice article! AHeneen 17:51, 30 November 2008 (EST)
- Support. Just (belatedly) happened across this nomination. I've reformatted all the phone numbers now as per cacahuate's suggestion, and I'm trying to get a usable map put together, though unfortunately openstreetmap.org shows a virtual desert in this area at the moment! Any time from April to September would be ideal for it to feature, preferably early summer when the weather is generally better and it's not so busy as it is once the school holidays start in mid July. Tarr3n 10:39, 16 December 2008 (EST)
- Support But I think the picture that is currently in the featured list doesn't look good with that man standing there. I much prefer the picture at the top of the page OR the one titled "Craig-yr-Aderyn" in the widlife section. That one looks really beautiful and exotic, I think. Just my opinion... ChubbyWimbus 23:31, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
I've worked a lot on this article the past couple of days and think its up to OtBP standards. I'm not sure if the template is correct, as it started with a city template and I tried to turn it into an itinerary. As a disclaimer, I was the one to put the "guide" label on the article...but it as come a long way from the outline it started as. It has a few possible MoS violations which I feel can be justified. Please read this list and their justifications on Talk:Dalton Highway before posting your comment here. I think the article would be a great around March-June as the highway is best to travel in July-August. --AHeneen 03:05, 28 November 2008 (EST)
- Close. I think this is looking like a really interesting article, it could use some proofreading for spelling and the prose could be tightened in areas, but nice work! – cacahuate talk 03:26, 28 November 2008 (EST)
- Support. Overall looks good. I'm not a native speaker, so I'll leave others to comment on the prose. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 01:27, 11 December 2008 (EST)
- Support - looks good. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 00:57, 13 December 2008 (EST).
Low-key, semi-abandoned colonial hill resort featuring a very different side of Malaysia. Good any time of year, but probably best not listed until they finish fixing up the town square, sometime in "early 2009". Jpatokal 07:26, 13 December 2008 (EST)
- I guess I can't say I don't support it on grounds of boringness, but I sort of feel like it's lacking something. Maybe an interesting picture of the birds, if it's so famous for them? It just seems REALLY dull. Hm.. ChubbyWimbus 11:11, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
Written single-handedly by User:WineCountryInn, presumably of , but this is almost a textbook example of how to sell yourself correctly on Wikitravel. It's a little hype-y and some of the purplest prose ("adult adventure of the senses"?!) needs trimming, but hey, this is an itinerary for wine lovers and it's OK to be enthusiastic. Anytime between April and September should be fine. Jpatokal 22:37, 8 January 2009 (EST)
- The article is excellent so far, but at least a few of the vineyards should have descriptions highlighting what makes them notable or exceptional, preferably with more contact info than the website. If they're all equal and it doesn't matter which one you visit (because you're sure to have a great time anywhere you go in Colorado Wine Country), then that should be noted instead. Gorilla Jones 23:42, 8 January 2009 (EST)
- Hmm, good point. The vineyards are also (mostly?) listed in the town articles, so it's probably best to put detailed descriptions in those and just point out the top few picks in the itinerary. Jpatokal 01:48, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- In addition to the above, of all the "wine regions" listed, only two have much information on wine in that region...three are stubs ("X" is a city in Colorado). I think al of the "wine regions" should be usable (including wine info) before this is featured).AHeneen 05:02, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- My concerns are pretty much gone after the impressive work that's been done by User:WineCountryInn today. It's already a great article, and if he or she keeps working at this rate, it'll wind up a star. Gorilla Jones 19:06, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- Is this guide correctly labeled as a travel topic? I went off the example of Skiing in Colorado. Is it more correctly a Region or an Itinerary? It encompasses more than a single region, both Northwestern Colorado and Southwestern Colorado. It is about a specific topic, apropos the Chicago Skyline Guide? Any thoughts about this? WineCountryInn 18:41, 11 January 2009 (EST)
- I think you're right to call it a travel topic. Gorilla Jones 18:45, 11 January 2009 (EST)
- Support This is really good stuff, only thing i'd like to see changed, is a bit more comprehensive descriptions of the wineries, but I think it's already up to OTBP standard as far as i'm concerned. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:29, 11 January 2009 (EST)
- I have removed the problematic "wine regions", a concern voiced by AHeneen, and added descriptions to all the wineries, as requested by many different users. WineCountryInn 22:39, 13 January 2009 (EST)
- Rotation for the article. With the August picks coming up for OtBP, I'd like to suggest this piece for either August or September, when the grape harvest is coming in. Thanks.WineCountryInn 00:02, 23 January 2009 (EST)
In an effort to break a record for shortest time from article creation to otbp nom, ladies and gentleboys, I present you Tobacco Caye, in 4 minutes flat. You can stand on one shore, and with powerful lungs, spit across to the other. Aside from Caribbean hurricane season, there's not a terrible time to feature it. And no, there's not very much more you can say about it, it's a small article, and will likely always remain so – cacahuate talk 21:06, 16 January 2009 (EST)
Support Everything obviously looks to be in order :) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 01:38, 23 January 2009 (EST)
- Support - Great little article. Let's run this in November or December, after the hurricane season and as the weather in North America grows cold again. (It's when people start thinking about their Caribbean vacations). WineCountryInn 15:05, 24 January 2009 (EST)
- Support -- with reservations. The article certainly qualifies on its merits, but I'm detecting a growing tendency not to consider a place "really" OtBP unless it's a dinky desert island in the middle of nowhere. If we do use this one (and make no mistake, I favor it), let's slot it in at a time when some other kinds of OtBPs have been in the spotlight for a while. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:57, 24 February 2009 (EST)
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this guide when I bumped into it, well written, has a map, it's not a remote tropical island (in fact it's not even land) but still indisputably off the beaten path --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 15:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
- It's OK...but its shortness makes me think the article needs more information. Yes, there isn't a lot to be said of the N.Pole, but I really think a little more can be added to this article. AHeneen 03:02, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
Curious little nook of Thailand that would make a great little winter OtBP — and it's neither island nor beach! Best season is November-February. Jpatokal 02:40, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
A very complete article, and not a very known tourist destination.
- Countries shouldn't be nominated before all linked articles from the main page are are guide level/status. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 10:53, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
- I've looked at the Ethiopia pages before and I don't believe there is a single Ethiopian city that could be nominated, the regions have no information or almost none... I would love to see an Ethiopian destination featured, but if you want that to happen, I'd suggest first updating a city and then nominating it once it has enough information to reach guide status before nominating the entire nation. ChubbyWimbus 05:25, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
Another nice little article courtesy of a relatively new user, which would be our second ever featured article from Sub-Saharan Africa. --Peter Talk 19:57, 30 March 2009 (EDT)