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Texugo - hi there.

I made the events additions - I am cool with your edit, but just let me explain my thinking.

1. I know that the Vorst site was not English, but it does mention in the rules that the links don't have to be always in English - of course anyone can figure out the bands on offer without knowing French or Flemish. Anyhow - I am sure you know the rules better than I.

2. The lastfm site - I know its not Brussels specific - but it is very useful for cataloging the lots and lots of small gigs which might be of interest to visitors.

Your other comment about slicing the section - well I do think that its useful for visitors to be able to see whats on in a city - and thats not always very easy to find in Brussels (IMHO) the official visitors site is just plain awful - I have been living here for ten years.

Anyway - I concede to your greater knowledge - but just to explain.

Regards Mark

Navajo Nation

I saw the comment you made about the Navajo Nation article on the Four Corners deletion conversation, so I've written up a proposal you might be interested in. PerryPlanet Talk 21:12, 3 February 2009 (EST)


why have you deleted my Historic county of Lancashire sick to death of having this discusion with wikipedia and wikitravel,when will you and others like you realise the historic county of Lancashire.i dont understand what you are trying to prove as the queen says we are in Lancashire as she is the duke and the government say we are in Lancashire.i and most others would much rather believe people who are in charge of the country rather than just members of the publics opinion.i cant believe that you could be so ignorant,i have actually spent time writing this article and you have come and distroyed it.why?

User puts in spam

Hi! I try to stop the new user Bursaevdeneve He adds in link. As you are an admin. Can you stop him please? Thanks, jan 08:21, 4 February 2009 (EST)


Hi there. Sorry, but I am mostly a beach man, and have little, if any, to contribute with when it comes to Minas. Good luck!!

Talk archive

Hey Brian, did something go awry in your talk page archiving? [1]

Yep. Every time I try to copy it and paste it in the target page, Wikitravel says "f*** you" and it doesn't work, and my attempt doesn't even show in recent changes. Do you have any idea how to fix that? Texugo 15:48, 6 February 2009 (EST)
Yeah, I have no idea why that was happening, but it was for me too. To get around it, I moved your talk page to the target, copy-pasted the content back here, then reverted the target page to the pre-archive version. Unfortunately that nuked the page history for your current talk page, but it got the job done. Weird problem. --Peter Talk 16:42, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Dindigul page

I uploaded the .svg and .png map in the wikitravel shared page. The name is " drawing-with-usilampatti-batlagundu-smallhighway.png " But the map is not displayed in the wikitravel page. Please advise how the map can be displayed. Kbala1055 09:59, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Image tags are case-sensitive. Correcting it to the exact image name fixed it. Do you think you could crop the bottom of the map a little better? Lots of blank space there. Texugo 00:01, 22 February 2009 (EST)

Dindigul page

But still I am unable to see the map in the wikitravel page.. I uploaded a new version in wikitravel shared with the proper tags as specified in the template. Can you please help? I wil ltry to crop the space after the first version is viewed in the wikitravel page Kbala1055 00:12, 22 February 2009 (EST)


Hi Texugo

It is appearing now.. Thanks a million.. Got the catch.. with case sensitive extensions. I will now work on cropping the space in the bottom. Will also work on a dindigul city map shortly Kbala1055


I did see that giant sign but as with anything to do with computers, especially Wikitravel, I have a hard time mastering it. I am a student completing an assignment and it was a mistake I do not know how to reverse. —The preceding comment was added by IFeelLikeAnActor (talkcontribs) .


Sorry for reverting you, but unless people feel strongly to the contrary can we just leave the current EE user page as-is? Policy is that people can do pretty much whatever they like with their user pages, and it would be nice not to provoke him further by having him return daily to un-blank it. There are a number of user pages that are disparaging against others and we've let them be (User:Jo is the first that comes to mind) and if in this case it gives him some closure to feel like he fired the final salvo I think it's best to let him have his say and be done with it. -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:02, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

My thought exactly --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 22:07, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
Probably not the right place for this discussion, but I tend to feel that personal threats (the "bodyguard" bit) do cross a line, even in User: space. - Dguillaime 00:09, 13 March 2009 (EDT)
I doubt it was an actual threat, even if it could come off that way. At worst, though, it merits excising that sentence, not reverting the whole post. LtPowers 08:48, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Speedy documentation

It was my understanding that speedy deletes don't require anything on the vfd page. Am I wrong? --Peter Talk 02:00, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Hmm.. Looking again at the deletion policy, I suppose you may be right. Don't know where I came up with that habit. Texugo 02:13, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
I was under the same impression. Odd. LtPowers 09:10, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Qingdao - eat section

I noticed your 'Style' stamp on the Qingdao eat section. Obviously, the section is work in progress and needs further contents. But please advice: what makes the section non-compliant with out manual of style? --ClausHansen 11:42, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

dindigul page


I have added an external reference to a daily newspaper website called The Hindu in India in the section called "Peranai" in this page.

Is it ok? Pls let me know Kbala1055 07:09, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

I removed that and several other links-- we don't use multiple links to Wikipedia like that. There is already a link to the Wikipedia Dindigul article in the left toolbar. I also removed a link to an external guide about Dindigul which is against policy. Texugo 03:09, 13 April 2009 (EDT)


That's Wikitravel Press markup. It doesn't have any effect on the way the guide displays here on Wikitravel — it just tells the WTP print engine to leave that part out. Gorilla Jones 08:07, 29 April 2009 (EDT)


Thanks for your help on the Edmonton articles. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 00:45, 25 May 2009 (EDT).

Districting Southcentral Alaska

Hi Texugo - This is the first contribution I've ever made to a Wiki and don't know much about it. I just spent 6 hours on figuring out what I should and shouldn't do and writing the material. I believe I had all the formatting right and as far as changing the system--there wasn't really much of a change. The Kenai Peninsula IS a Borough.

But would appreciate any help you can give me on this, so I can do it correctly. Thanks.

Carol - AlaskanAtHeart 11:30, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi - Thanks for your quick answer.

Actually, all of Alaska has been divided into boroughs politically for quite a few years. I can add a complete list of all the boroughs that will cover the whole state. And factually, I can't think of any other breakdown of the State by region, because there really isn't any. The boroughs actually do identify areas as well as any system that could be devised. For instance, there is a North Slope Borough--that effectively covers an area that has a unity to it. Also, there are a number of cities, such as Anchorage, that are also Boroughs. The Municipality of Anchorage is actually a much larger area than the city itself and was originally called the Greater Anchorage Area Borough. It is still a Borough even though the name has changed, so it needs to be listed as a Borough as well as a City.

If anyone else comes up with a better system, I'll be happy to go with it if it seems reasonable. But the borough is the only type of subdivision I can think of that would effectively divide the Regions that have already been set up.

And just a note on Southcentral Alaska - it is much more than just Anchorage and the Kenai Peninsula. It most definitely includes the Mat-Su Borough.

I'll await to hear any future comments on this system.

Thanks, AlaskanAtHeart 12:05, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

As far as I can tell, the regions probably do, but it's impossible to tell with that map. It is much too small and there aren't many landmarks, like towns or rivers. And each borough is quite large - the Mat-Su Borough alone has over 25,000 sq miles of territory.

I would assume that whoever divided it into regions, would have used a system that followed the borders of the existing boroughs, otherwise the division lines wouldn't make any sense. There really is not much out there in remote Alaska, so there are not a whole lot of factors to consider. There are Native villages, a few other settlements and leftovers from early Alaskan years. And the Boroughs were set up with a cultural factor in mind for the Alaskan Native groups, as well as the few developed areas like Anchorage, Fairbanks and Juneau.

AlaskanAtHeart 13:57, 20 August 2009 (EDT)


Can I ask why you removed this from Awaji? Jpatokal 03:58, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

I thought it didn't really follow from the previous sentence unless you happen to know that "awa" means "foam" and infer that the name of the former prefecture may be in reference to the afore-mentioned whirlpools. I wouldn't mind putting that info about the former prefecture in there though, just didn't make sense to me to put it right there. Texugo 04:39, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

Trobriand Islands

Why do we need sub-headings when there is no information? Apart from anything else there is now a Table of Non-Contents rather than contents. Is this Wikitravel policy to have all these headings?

In the Trobriands you eat and drink where you stay, so not much point in duplicate listings.Shep 15:02, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

In a regional article such as this, those sections are for general descriptions. In the Eat section (a mandatory section), what are the local specialties? prices? Are all the local restaurants in hotels? Are there snack vendors on the beaches, etc. Are there local fruits to try? For the See section (also mandatory), what are the sights to see? any rock formations? temples? something else? In the Do section (not mandatory if there is nothing to do there), surely there are at least some scuba/snorkeling/swimming type options? The Drink section is not mandatory either, but if there are any special beverages popular there they should go here, or just describe generally where to get a drink (bars? beach kiosks?).Texugo 00:45, 30 August 2009 (EDT)

Caernarfon Entry

Ahhh... I didn't realise there's a certain formatting for headings.

I've changed them back to what they should be. :)

09:52, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Country "See", Country "Do"

I had originally added the "See" and "Do" section to Iran, but deleted it after noticing that it was not on the articles for Japan, South Korea, or Ghana. Is it really supposed to be on the country page, or did I just happen to choose every wrong page as my reference points? ChubbyWimbus 22:31, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Hmm.. Perhaps I was a little hasty-- Upon checking a few other countries, I see that several others have no See section, no Do section or neither one, while some others have both. Wikitravel:Article templates states that the See section is "obligatory for every article", but actually it is not currently part of the template itself. There is also an unfinished discussion which seems to mostly support adding them back in. I think we should renew the discussion there. Texugo 22:51, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

duplicate photo

Hi Texugo

For my new page on Bomarzo I uploaded on Shared a photo I called Elephant.jpg. When I loaded it onto the page I got a photo with the same name of a wall at Angkor. Should not the programme not accept duplicate file names? How do I delete my file?

Thanks Shep 16:39, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

Lake Bolsena vfd


You have added a vfd to this page but I can't find any explanation as to why. Before I start to argue on the vfd page please let me know why. It is an interesting area but the cities themselves do not really rate individual entries. I did the same for Lake Bracciano. The idea came from the fact that there is an (incomplete) page on Lake Trasimeno which was there long before I got involved with Wikipedia, so I was just following precedent.Shep 01:53, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

Bali map

Thanks for the kind words. The simple regional map of Bali which I prepared was a bit of unsophisticated bodge job I am afraid. I took a public domain outline of the island and then labelled and coloured it in Photoshop to match the regional table template. I have been looking at the standard Wikitravel map project and will definitely get to grips with it at some stage. Peter has also indicated he would like to prepare a Wikitravel style map for Bali, here. If one of you could, then the article would be improved enormously. The Bali project is getting there. Been a bit of slog but the six regional and 29 destination articles are now all in pretty good shape. Still some style clean up of old articles to do, but I am really happy with the progress so far.--Burmesedays 05:06, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

United States

Hi, Texugo. What problem are you trying to fix? LtPowers 16:18, 18 October 2009 (EDT)

I was trying to fix the page worth of white space directly under the map caused by the fact that the Mid-Atlantic region started just before the map ended, and so kept its narrow column width even though there was nothing beside it. Texugo 22:59, 18 October 2009 (EDT)
Unfortunately, the nature of HTML makes it impossible to predict where anything like that is going to end up. It all depends on your browser width, font size, and other details. For example, for me, the map goes all the way down to the Midwest section. I don't think we can afford to put in extra line breaks for everyone who has a layout problem. LtPowers 11:03, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
No problem, feel free to pull it. I was just messing around with it mostly. I still wish we could get things to auto-wrap properly. Texugo 20:15, 19 October 2009 (EDT)


maybe you could answer this for me what does "pcv" stand for in deletion of a outlined travel guide? i also asked peterfitzgerald but he hasnt replied of yet so i thought i would ask someone who was online and was a admin. thank you. 21:44, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

I actually don't know it either, but ask yourself this question? can you sleep there (i.e. in a hotel)? if yes, and can you fill out at least one entry in every category? if that's a jup too, create it under this name instead Pittsfield (Maine) and that should be fine. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 21:53, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
User talk:Peterfitzgerald#pcv? (c'mon Stefan, you know this drill ;) --Peter Talk 21:56, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
sertmann wanted to know if you could sleep there answer is yes 2 places i found a bed and breakfast and a inn. google maps look up pittsfield, maine if you don't believe me also btw i didn't want to start the page over until this is resolved. 22:13, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
sorry texugo for taking up your talk space :( my fault. 22:14, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
No problem! Texugo 22:16, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

New Conversation

Hi Texugo. Thanks very much for helping. I am sorry that my style was a little out of the standard. I am just trying to do my best in view of a big international event that will take place in Pedro Gonzalez. It is important that we provide full information to the guests (including how to change currency and where on the web to check the current rate), i would say vitally important. Sometimes i put some stubs that we will fill with information together with my friends who are now there. Please have a little patience with us. Thanks Moonwalker


Texugo we need to provide people with information how to change money including the link

please comment. I will hold all the edits for the moment.

Currency link

But is not a blog! Why are you deleting it?

Because any information relevant to the whole country should go in the country article and not be duplicated in every region and city article. By the way, if you look at the history, you can see any explanatory notes i've left for my edits. Texugo 23:05, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

delete Pedro Gonzalez

Texugo, I am very sorry I spent your time. I moved the page to free wiki because this will be more appropriate. This way we can organize the event. By best regards Alexey

My friend you become stubborn like a Japanese and believe me it does not make sense I am deleting because there are NO TOURISTS but us in this zone. Moonwalker

incorrect info in Pefro Gonzalez

all price info there is incorrect since I was planning to correct later Please delete the page Moonwalker

I'm not going to delete the page because it's a real place, but... which price info? the taxis? the lodging? what? Texugo 23:00, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

Exceeding your authority

Once again I am finding that you are exceeding your authority in removing photo's without any discussion. Please discontinue these types of actions. 2old 13:53, 5 January 2010 (EST)

Um.. may I ask what you are referring to? I don't typically remove photos unless they are copyrighted or violate our people in photos policy. Texugo 12:09, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Social Media Optimization specialist

Hi Texugo! A Social Media Optimization specialist currently tries to enter several hotels from the derag chain in various German (Berlin/Mitte, Frankfurt and Munich) cities. He uses several different IPs and add mostly a couple of hotels in Berlin and three star hotels in splurge instead of mid-range sections. He is a slow learner so it would be great if you could have an eye on him. I need to go back to real-life work. Thank you very much in advance. jan 08:59, 18 February 2010 (EST)

OK. I'll try to keep an eye out. Texugo 09:01, 18 February 2010 (EST)

Ras al Khaimah

Hi Texugo, why you have removed weblinks of eg. RAKtourism on Ras al Khaimah wikisite? This is governmental site. Greetings from RAK, Darek

Hi Darek. I didn't remove it entirely. I moved it to the first line of the article, which is the proper place for it. We don't need multiples, so I just put the main link. Texugo 07:42, 21 February 2010 (EST)


Hey Texugo..u left me a message about copywrite material, all the information used on my pages is sourced from the Cacadu District Municipality as I am their offical public relations officer, so no worries of copywrite infringements. —The preceding comment was added by Lynne (talkcontribs)


Any chance of some page protection and a block on the guys using it as a chatroom. They are American school kids - the one stupid enough to use an IP address easily drops it to the domain. Nrms 10:27, 1 March 2010 (EST)

Cheers. One of these days MediaWiki will notice these things and take action itself! :) Nrms 10:59, 1 March 2010 (EST)

Tiverton, Rhode Island

Hey There, my name is Luis, I just wanted to say thank you for helping me out with the Tiverton, RI page. I'm doing this for a school project and I need all the help I can get. Again, thanks so much for the help.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

south hero

Listen man, I am making this page for my class project and I'm going to do it my way. I don't really care if you want to keep consistency this is my project not yours. It will be done my way, not yours. So please leave my page alone and do not delete it. As a teacher yourself you should understand that as a student I'm not going to do everything right. So please just stop touching my page.



Please remember to click 'mark as patrolled' when patrolling recent edits, --ClausHansen 07:17, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

Man, you're right, I get lazy about that when I'm not at my own computer. Texugo 07:20, 15 March 2010 (EDT)


You are being quite patient :). You may have noticed that my normal unflappable self has gotten quite tetchy on that talk page at times. Leaving aside the mess with the images, just look the size of that editing job that is required :).--Burmesedays 12:17, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

Thank for the intro / Hamamatsu Article

Thank you for the introduction.

Upon checking your user page I see you live in Hamamatsu, and after doing a look through the history of the Hamamatsu article it would appear you wrote most of it. Knowing that, I have something I feel I should share with you.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that Hamamatsu is one of my favorite places in all of Japan and the excellence of the Wikitravel article is partially why!

Let me explain: When my wife and I were in our first year here and still fairly new to living (and traveling) in Japan, we wanted to take a trip but were still noobs as far as traveling Japan and reading Japanese went. There's lots of info on the major destinations (Tokyo, Kyoto, Himeji, etc...) but we wanted to branch out as well and there wasn't much good info available.

We decided to go to Tokyo for Golden Week 2007 but wanted to spend a night or two somewhere between Nagoya and Tokyo on the way there. "Where should we stop?" This led me to the Wikitravel site and I looked up a bunch of places between Tok and Nag. We decided on Hamamatsu because of all the major cities on the way, Hamamatsu not only had the best/fullest article, but said article made it clear how much good stuff there is in that city!

Of the many items listed in the Hamamatsu article of particular interest to us were the beer hall Mein Schloss (we lived in Germany for awhile, missed it), the unagi, and the Filipino restaurants. However, during our two days there we ended up biking around the lake and found so many things we loved about the city that we've gone back at least 8 or 10 times in four years or so. The best part is that almost every time we go we find some new treasure in that city.

Of course Tokyo and Osaka are the technically the top places in Japan with the most to do, but I'd say if we could choose any one place in Japan to live for a few years it'd be Hamamatsu. It's one of the unsung jewels of Japan, in our opinion, and we've only grown to agree with this idea more and more with each trip there.

Anyways, thanks for writing/contributing to that awesome article - otherwise we may never have went! It also led me to use WikiTravel in planning Japan-related travel a number of times since.

Manmaru 02:28, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

St. Lucia vs St. Lucia


The 2 listings I moved to another St Lucia, because there in the Caribean not South Africa. Check their website [2], why moving it back? - Babbelas 12:28, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

Please see your talk page. Thanks. Texugo 12:29, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay

Hi Texugo, Thanks for the cleanup work. I am very busy at present, but will be back when things calm down again. (in between jobs) Cheers, - Peter (Southwood) Talk 07:03, 19 March 2010 (EDT)


How up to speed are you on Chile? I ask mainly because of the out of control lists of cities and ODs. These actually caused me to stop on the map, which has been sitting there incomplete for months. If you have any knowledge at all of the country, it would be great to see those lists cut to 7+2. Would love to get that map finished properly. --Burmesedays 03:47, 2 April 2010 (EDT)

I'm no expert on Chile, but I also noticed recently what crappy shape the main article and practically all the region articles are in and I'll look into it when I have time. I may be able to help. Texugo 04:52, 2 April 2010 (EDT)

Kochi (Kerala)#Eat

Hello there. I have many issues with this article (most notably spending loads of time putting the articles into English and then finding gibberish reinstated when I next log in!). However, I thought that the Eat section was now OK (I spent ages redoing it). What's your beef with that section? I think the three main price categories broken into different styles of food works quite well, and is especially important in India due to dietary cultural restrictions. If there is a better way to organise this section, please do go ahead!--Burmesedays 02:45, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

I didn't realize it was you who had removed the style tag. Anyway, I think it is already too fragmented, and in such a way that it invites even more sections-- if someone finds restaurants from other ethnicities they will logically create new sections for those, leaving us with a Pizza section, an American section, an Italian section, and so on. I'd rather keep the cuisine type descriptors in the descriptions, especially since none of the economic dividers is especially overwhelmed anyway. And while dietary restriction may typically be a big deal for the natives, dietary restrictions are far less common for the vast majority of English-speaking travellers, and for those with dietary restrictions, I imagine India is already one of the easier countries to deal with.Texugo 03:09, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

USA revert: Cities section

My intentions are not to edit war with you, but I found absolutely no reason for you to revert my work in the USA Cities section. I think it put it in better structure and if was a little what? It's not like it was a novel or anything. The lengthliness I think was a benefit because it could help travelers understand more about these places (especially considering some really didn't say much of anything, like the San Francisco one I don't even think mentioned a single thing actually in San Francisco) briefly. It wasn't even that long anyways, it just gives travelers a little bit better of a look. It isn't as lengthly as the one I worked on for Canada, and nobody seemed to have a problem with that (it was already longer originally)! So why the United States one? Thanks. If you would prefer, I could try to put some of my ideas into the original mold if simply lists for the most part. You'll probably revert it back anyways, so I probably would. So what was wrong with it? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:30, 16 April 2010 (EDT).

I saw those as well and thought the revert was appropriate. The Wikitravel convention is that these descriptions should be pithy one liners. That is of course not always the case, but it should be.--Burmesedays 22:42, 16 April 2010 (EDT)
See Wikitravel:One-liner listings. Now that I see it, the Canada edit was also dubious; extensive details belong in, and are already in, city-specific articles. -- D. Guillaime 22:45, 16 April 2010 (EDT)
Okay, but I think the US ones could use some touch ups, so I won't delve into as much detail, but will fix up a tad. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:48, 16 April 2010 (EDT).
Although no description is set, the only U.S. city description that I think needs to be rethought completely is Miami. When we say "strivers from Latin America and the Caribbean" are we saying that Miami is famous for illegals and refugees? That's an odd thing to mention in a travel description. ChubbyWimbus 22:56, 16 April 2010 (EDT)
San Francisco and Seattle were the ones I was thinking of. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 23:06, 16 April 2010 (EDT).


Texugo, mentioning Gainesville's (common) stores and resturants IS important to the article because it is relevant to the structure of Gainesville. Other towns may have these stores, but I rarely see a town that has been planned as well as Gainesville. Having a historic train depot (and "Depot Days" festival) the city is designed around the railroads, while other towns are designed away from them. I am impressed with this and those very reasons sound like tourist attractions. I want to write a general summary at least, because otherwise articles that can't have much in them seem very useless!!

In-Correct 23:08, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

Please see your talk page for a response. Texugo 10:19, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Peruvian es userspace spam

Unfortunately, there isn't any real way to stop page creation or user registration by blocks if done by a new ip. If you block the registered user, however, you have the option to prevent all edits from that user's ip & account creation, which should stop new registrations from that exact ip. Other than that, I think we're stuck patrolling the newuser log from time to time. --Peter Talk 11:31, 2 July 2010 (EDT)


Hi, Texugo. Saw you uploaded Image:BR-010.jpg, but the quality is really bad. A PNG generated from wmc:File:Br-010 Rodovia Highway Signs.svg would look a lot better within an article. LtPowers 13:04, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, I noticed that after the fact, but my Inkscape isn't working at the moment. Texugo 17:52, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
Oh, but Mediawiki generates PNGs on the fly. It doesn't work here on Wikitravel, but it works fine on Commons. Like so. LtPowers 21:09, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

Listings translation

Whew, it's been a while since I dealt with those, so I don't remember too well. I do know that if your plan is to change the way the tags ("see name", 'phone=""', etc.) as they appear in the raw wiki markup, then you are out of luck. If you take a look at ru:special:Allmessages and start looking at "MediaWiki:Listing-", you'll see host of tags that I translated, but I'm no longer sure why I did that, or if it was ultimately to any purpose—I think that was me trying to get it to work and not succeeding. The listings form editor can be translated, though, but that will require work on IB's part. Moreover, there seems to be some problems with the form editor in other languages right now—at least in other alphabets. So we're a little stuck!

Which language versions are you thinking about? Copying the raw wiki markup for listings from MediaWiki:Edittools to them would be a good first step. --Peter Talk 16:57, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

I'm looking at the Portuguese version now. I copied the Edit tools over now, and I found the tags you translated on ru: -- It appears that that is where you a) found out you can't translate the raw markup tags (I tried it too) and b) succeeded in translating the form editor labels (without IB's help). So now the form editor appears in Portuguese fine, but you can only get to it by clicking the small edit button at the end of a listing already in template format-- there is no section button for "add a listing". So two more question, if you don't mind: 1) How do I enable the "Add a listing" feature, and 2) Is the fact that the raw tags cannot be translated due to laziness or refusal on IB's part, or have we even tried talking to them about it? Texugo 22:23, 6 September 2010 (EDT)
I'm actually not sure about how to enable "add a listing"—I suppose that either means you'll need to ask someone more knowledgeable than me, or that IB will need to do it. I haven't asked IB to change the raw tags for other versions, and I think the concern there would be interoperability if we are doing things sitewide, but didn't have standardized tags. That's actually one of the reasons why I pushed hard to get the form editor up and running—if a contributor can't understand the listings tags (either for language difficulties, or simply not processing what all that wiki markup means), then they can just use the form editor. Of course, this all assumes that the form editor actually works... --Peter Talk 00:00, 7 September 2010 (EDT)


Thanks for the help on Portobelo. I just needed to re-add the link to the boat section. —The preceding comment was added by Captjack (talkcontribs)

Editing the Hoi An (Vietnam) page

Hi Texugo,

We intend to add some contributions to Wikitravel Hoi An page. It seems that you are the admin for this page.

We are Hoi An local and our new launched tourism website has some interesting sections which are not posted in Wikitravel Hoi An page.

Can we add in those sections or you can recommend some sections we should edit?

Best, HATourism


Hola Texugo

Somos la Dirección de Turismo Municipal de la Ciudad de Puebla. Queremos subir la información de nuestra hermosa ciudad a wikitravel, pero ya contamos con una página de internet a la que hemos dedicado mucho tiempo buscando las palabras para conseguir una redacción perfecta que brinde a los visitantes información de Puebla de una forma sencilla pero muy consistente. Es por ello que nos gustaría subir la misma información que tenemos en nuestra página a wikitravel. Empecé a hacerlo pero lamentablemente borraron lo que había subido con a justificación de que es una copia de nuesra propia página. Te agradeceré que me informes como puedo hacer para demostrar que tengo los derechos de esta información y poder ponerla en wikitravel. Muchas gracias y saludos desde Puebla, México.

administrator vote

I think you might have made a mistake when you voted on the Wikitravel:Administrator nominations page - you wrote "delete", which isn't one of the two options when voting for potential administrators... :) PerryPlanet Talk 00:55, 11 December 2010 (EST)

Oh geez, how ridiculous of me! You're absolutely right! Corrected now. Texugo 09:51, 11 December 2010 (EST)

Kochi (Kerala)

Hi Texugo, you just reverted an edit I did on Kochi (Kerala). I assume you had your reasons but they are escaping me. I was having some problems editing (15min+ to view, preview or edit a page) and so I just gave up, left the page and went out to the beach for a while. The edit by had replaced a listing for Hotel Dwaraka with one for S31 without explanation. I assumed they did not know how to do a new listing and so just 'over-wrote' that of someone else. Further to the listing re-instatement I re-ordered the listings concerned by alphabet order.

I had also reworked some slight touting out of the listings and corrected some expression issues (such as remains/remain).

I do not think the listings for Tandoor and Somewhere else had any role in my edit and so your re-instatement of those listings was not part of a 'revert' of my edit, did you think that I had deleted them? My 'edit' only dealt with the reinstatement of Hotel Dwaraka and a slight tidy up of S31.

I assume Tandoor and Somewhere else are 'legitimate' IGF listings that you felt should be re-instated.

As for Conucopia I am a bit confused, their listing also states they are inside Bat and Ball, as did the (new) S31 listing that you deleted. Is there a conflict between the two that I have not been aware of? I left the S31 listing in there with a slight edit as a gesture of good faith even though the IP editor]] deleted another listing. I hoped they may have just been 'stupid' rather than 'malicious' in deleting the Hotel Dwaraka listing. As they left no edit note giving a reason for removing 'Hotel Dwaraka I restored that listing.

I could not do anything with my recent edit and subsequent check on the article due to the prevailing connectivity issues with WT. Now that you have done this revert I remain concerned about the content. However I do not want to edit the article listings further until I know what is going on here. Do you know something about this edit sequence that I have missed??

Subsequent to your 'revert' of my edit the Tandoor listing is now back to being vaguely 'touty' ie (The best and most tasty North Indian, particularly Punjabi, food. The Kadai chicken and ginger chicken is truly world class, and no other place in Kochi can offer than (sic) unique taste) and you have reverted the Hotel Dwaraka listing to read "and it remain (sic) a most popular option", rather than remains.

You have also removed the listings for 24 Carat, Spice Route and Lokah World Cuisine. I know you are an editor of good repute so you must have had your reasons, but what are those reasons, you have left an air of mystery by not providing an edit not other than that you have reverted my edit. I note you last edited this article on 16 dec performing an appropriate revert of "'Reliance NetConnect Braodband+ call 9349040010" but that edit gives no prompts as to your recent action and I see no other apparent prior activity on this article that provides any clue as to your reasons. Please let me know what is up here...

BTY, in regard to my edit 'lag' times, are you having any similar issues in the last few of days, sometimes a page takes 15mins plus for a single page resolve and sometimes many attempts. A few of us discussed this issue at WT Pub a while back. Maybe it is a mirror server problem, very frustrating at my end. Please let me know if you are having a similar experience. thanks. felix 07:18, 19 December 2010 (EST)

Hi Felix. I believe I had that open in a tab and failed to see your last edit in which you explained what you were doing. I reverted it back to your last version, so I'll leave that to you. My lag time on opening a page seems to be around 10-15 seconds today, not the worst I've seen, but not the best either... Texugo 08:38, 19 December 2010 (EST)
10-15 secs sounds about X60 times faster than what is happening here. Glad to hear it is not a universal problem. I think maybe the mirror server explanation is the most plausible.
So it sounds like it was just a muddle up with the edits. Those Indian articles can be both frustrating and time consuming and I was concerned that maybe I had missed something regarding the legitimacy of some of the listings. After I wrote the above I did notice an earlier exchange you had with Burmesedays on issues in that articles Eat section so it seems you are likely well acquainted with the prevailing issues there. As with some other articles in the region things seem to turn into a bit of a linguistic and content free-for-all at times. Please look over my further edit and if you think there is anything that needs a further adjustment then just go ahead. felix-

How to Haggle, lesson one

Hi Texugo, I would just like to discuss our little conflict concerning the floating village price. The thing of it is that I am not good at haggling either, so I have definitely overpaid for certain things as well. However, the guy I was traveling with had it down to an art form. He managed to get discounts on our meals, getting a double helping for the same price, by letting the waitress know I am still single. In this particular case we got the round trip for $7,- each. However, talking it over later, I noticed we could have got an even better price.

Anyway, realize that the people in Siem Reap simply want to make it appear as if the prices are fixed so that you will think you got a fair price for it. Haggling is a part of the culture, however, and if one is a local one gets still better prices. This proves haggling is still done and that you simply overpaid. In fact, it is the reason why I placed the range of prices there so that people will know how big a margin can be expected.
Let me know what you think.
--Faust 08:37, 10 January 2011 (EST)
Ah. Well, don't doubt my haggling skills. It appears that I was thinking of the other floating village tour, where you can't haggle any more than you could haggle for a train ticket at the station ticket counter... Texugo 09:31, 10 January 2011 (EST)
Really? And I thought I was just more attractive than you! There goes that illusion...How did you like the floating village btw? --Faust 11:17, 10 January 2011 (EST)


Hi Texugo, I thought I left an edit note that I moved the content on the church across to the main Rhodes article. However I overlooked it. I did note tht on the Votes for deletion page though. My oversight. I don't think this article has much chance of developing. I deleted the content as I had moved anything of interest across to the main article and it appeared to be a dead bear with only your own minor clean up edit on it last year. Yes I know it is meant to stay there until a 'consensus' is reached but the content had already gone off to the main article. Please have a look over the Rhodes articles and see if you think there are any improvements that can be made to the structure of the islands articles. It was a bit untidy before and the main article was piling up with content that should have been in the sub-articles, most of which appeared to be somewhat abandoned. The south of the island is barely covered at this time as is the interior. That island seems to have a lot of articles on it felix 12:46, 23 January 2011 (EST)

Hi Felix. I thought the merge was a bit premature, as it would only happen if there were a consensus to delete. Please see my comments on the vfd page. Texugo 21:20, 23 January 2011 (EST)
Hi Texugo, you are entirely correct. Good work, and indeed maybe it was too premature to remove the content. I think the south needs some attention and I am reluctant to put content into the main article as it will no doubt then fill up again with regional content that should be in the local sub-articles. Trouble is though if we run with Asklipio then info on Gennadi and nearby Prasonisi is not really appropriate there. I don't think Gennadi and nearby Prasonisi can currently support stand alone articles either. However if we start regionalising then where do we stop. I would appreciate your views on this as I was a bit concerned about this issue when I was considering how to handle southern content when editing the other Rhodes articles. Do you think it is appropriate to have a southern region section in the main article or is that just going to create a different problem? felix 03:42, 24 January 2011 (EST)

Eastern Visayas

Hi there! I am editing Eastern Visayas being my home region, where I was raised. May I respectfully inform you that information on LGUs, specially on capital cities and towns, should be as accurate as possible. In Philippine LGU setting, some cities may not necessarily or automatically be capital of a province but in some instances, a town may become the provincial capital despite having a city in the province. A case in example is the province of Pangasinan, where the town of Lingayen is the capital despite having San Carlos, Dagupan and Alaminos as big cities. A town in the Philippines is conceptualized as a municipal unit just like a city. Hence, the label 'town' is interchangeable with the label 'municipality' but a city cannot be because the label 'city' means an elevation by law in unitary level - from a town to a city. Cities cannot be reversed to town level, except when a law that converts a town to city has been reversed by finality in the Supreme Court of the Philippines as in the case of Borongan in Eastern Samar, Baybay in Leyte and Catbalogan in Samar. Conversion of towns into cities have to meet certain criterion as mandated by the amended Local Government Code of 1991. Therefore, writing about details on LGUs of Eastern Visayas has to be written in accurate label as possible which I am doing to make Eastern Visayas Wikitravel article accurate. Thanks.

Marletbadeo 23:07, 23 January 2011 (EST)

From the traveller's point of view it is not important how the government administratively designates communities. Whether they are towns, municipalities, cities, metropoles, or villages, we have a section header called "Cities" that we use, which contains a single list of no more than 9, with hub city or capital of the region first, followed by an alphabetized list of the other 8. Feel free to put as much info as you want in the descriptions, but please don't stray from our article templates or create extra sections like "Other cities". If you have any questions, please let me know.Texugo 01:27, 24 January 2011 (EST)

Nanao edits

Hey, In the eats section you removed photos of a couple of places and was just wondering why? Also, do you work for wikitravel? Have you been to Nanao before? I don't mean to sound accusatory or angry or anything, just curious.

Hi there. I'm an administrator, but I'm just a user like you-- I don't work for Wikitravel:
I removed those images because they are not in line with our policy on photos of businesses. We only use photos of restaurants or hotels if they are a type unique only to the area, and even in that case we only use a generic picture to illustrate the type of establishment, without identifying it. See also Wikitravel:Accommodation listings#Avoid using images.
I removed the infobox on snack bars because Wikitravel policy frowns on duplicating information at the city level that is valid for the whole country.
And no, I haven't been to that area before.. would love to make it sometime.texugo 22:02, 7 March 2011 (EST)

Circum-Baikal Railway

Hello, Texugo,would you, please, point out the reason in deletion policy for this article being removed? Maybe it is better to insert a message? Best regards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grinski (talkcontribs)

Have a look at the Votes for deletion page. texugo 01:58, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

Style tags

A quick request - when you add the {{style}} tag to articles, can you also add a sentence explaining why it was added? For example: {{style|This section should use Wikitravel's [[Wikitravel:Listings|standard listing format]].}}. Without an explanation the tag simply links to the MoS, which doesn't provide much reference to a new user as to what needs to be corrected. -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:19, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

I'll keep it in mind. I don't really think anyone had noticed your suggestion until recently. Anyway, the Style tag is almost always used because either the listing format or template is wrong, and the convenient thing to me about using the style tag is that I don't have to spend time explaining what is wrong or remembering what policy page to point people to. For me the style tag is more a way to bring it to the attention of those of us who are familiar with the style rules, rather than as a teaching tool for new contributors. Perhaps we might devise instead a variety of style tags with more specific advice so that we don't have to write it out every time? I drop way too many style tags to want to write out the problem and the policy page link every time. texugo 23:38, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
Please give it serious consideration - at present there are almost 350 articles tagged with at least one "style" tag, and even as an experienced contributor I'm often unable to figure out why it was added to an article, or whether the offending edits have since been cleaned up, so it's not just for new contributors. -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:50, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
Well, I think maybe we need to dredge up some more thoughts on this topic from others. But what if we had tags like {{stylelistings}}, {{styleheaders}}, {{styleprose}} etc. that gave a little more detail about what's wrong? texugo 23:59, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
Rather than confine this to a user page, would you mind having that conversation at Template talk:Style? -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:24, 8 April 2011 (EDT)


Hello. I am disppointed that your have reverted this page to a version by 'Swissbelg', and then blocked editting. His recent actions have been both unhelpful and arrogant. Three people, of which I am one, have editted the wording of a section. 'Swissbelg' has consistently reverted these changes. Not only is the version he insists on less accurate but he appears to consider his opinion superior to those of others: 3 other people. When a number of people are consistent in oppostion to his then it seems reasonable that he should accept that his edits shouldn't remain.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

When an edit war occurs, we are encouraged to keep the status quo (the version previous to the edit war) and discuss on the talk page until a consensus is reached. You may say that 3 other people disagree with Swissbelg, but it could just as easily be you at three different IP addresses-- it would be helpful to make a user account so people can see who made what edit more easily and to give you a little credibility-- and you have been told more than once to bring it up on the talk page. For the record, I agree with Swissbelg, that we at Wikitravel prefer colorful, entertaining prose. What is written there is not wrong because it is obviously tongue-in-cheek, and that's fine. texugo 21:39, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
By the way, I blocked editing only for unregistered users who haven't bothered to make a user account. texugo 21:39, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
"What is written there is not wrong because it is obviously tongue-in-cheek, and that's fine." But the issue is 3 people wanted another version (which itself was not wrong) but 'Swissbelg' chose to ignore this consensus and insist on that they preferred.
This edit summary [3] clearly demonstrates that 'Swissbelg' believes "what they think is correct, everyone else is wrong and therefore what they think should be included."
It's very easy to identify that the changes which 'Swissbelg' ignored and rubbish are from 3 different people: [4], [5], [6].
"..unregistered users who haven't bothered to make a user account." And do you really believe your and 'Swissbelg' actions encourage people to join? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User_talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
Like it or not, things are being reverted back and forth, and that is what we call an edit war. When that happens, we keep the pre-change version and we take it up on the discussion page. I'm not saying your change will not be allowed to stay, but you cannot make your point by edit warring. Please state your reasons for wanting the change on the discussion page at Talk:Laos. texugo 05:28, 15 April 2011 (EDT)


I saw your note on Peter's talk page. Not only hasn't he been here, repeated e-mails have gone unanswered as well. LtPowers 13:12, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Goodness. I hope he's OK! texugo 01:48, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
Indeed. During my own absence from WT I sent two personal emails to Peter and got no reply. --Burmesedays 03:21, 21 May 2011 (EDT)


Thanks you will have guessed, I'm new at this...hopefully will get better over time!


No problem! Let me know if you have any questions! texugo 02:24, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Krasnaya Polyana

hi there! I've repositioned Krasnaya Polyana as a separate destination, as actually this is a real settlement 40 km away from Sochi with its own infrastructure and nationwide popularity in Russia. It will also host all the mountain cluster of Sochi Olympics (like was Wistler near Vancouver). Administratively Krasnaya Polyana is included into Great Sochi borders, but I believe it should have its own page. There is only one such case in that region, so I will not create more pages for Sochi districts. Rgds, Andrey

Sounds good. Thanks! texugo 12:03, 21 June 2011 (EDT)


Hi there (with apologies for a cut and paste message). I am trying to muster up some interest again in the now almost moribund Destination of the Month feature. This used to be one of our more dynamic initiatives with lots of debate. Sadly, that is no longer the case. I have made some new nominations to try to get it going again. If you have a moment please pop over there. And some nominations would be good if you can think of any! Thanks. --Burmesedays 10:22, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Brazil maps

I think the Brazil state maps you are doing are looking really great. The one recommendation that stands out off the top of my head would be to change the stroke color for the regions to white and make it a little thinner—the black lines are a little bolder than the aesthetic the regions map expedition has veered towards. It looks like Claus is going to do the top-level regions for Brazil, so pretty soon we'll be looking at a well mapped big country! --Peter Talk 22:31, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

Excellent work! My main comment is similar to Peter's, but I would suggest pale grey for the stroke and not white. And definitely a thinner stroke as Peter says. Also the font size for the region name could do to be a little larger I think and italicised as per the standard in the Wikitravel:Regions Map Expedition. You could even try using no stroke for the regions. That gives a very soft effect which I personally like very much. See for example: Image:Uganda_Regions_map.png. Great to see more maps emerging! --Burmesedays 23:42, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
Thanks for the feedback. I have been trying to make the changes you suggested, but I'm having a lot of trouble with my Inkscape crashing all the time and haven't managed to get it done. I would be grateful if one of you guys has time to do it, as I'm getting pretty frustrated having Inkscape crash every time I try to export a .png. If you do, please don't forget to update the Portuguese version as well. Thanks!
One more thing--Please let me know if you have any feedback on the proposed regionalization/map at Talk:São Paulo (state). texugo 11:05, 8 August 2011 (EDT)
If you give a list of specific image names, very happy to download and help implement those style changes. --Burmesedays 02:42, 10 August 2011 (EDT)



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