previous threads are kept here
Hi there and thank you for putting some format into my Omey Island Article. It really is a wonderful place that I am very passionate about, I will be adding more.....
Från engelska till danska
Hi Sertman. Do I need to reload all the images to Wikitravel shared that I have already uploaded to Wikitraveler? Or have they been automatically pulled over? WineCountryInn 19:17, 13 January 2009 (EST)Thanks! Talk
Could I please beg you to remove the warning box and not follow through with your statement? The purpose of that page is to allow the community to discuss and to allow the user in question to defend himself even if it may go completely off topic. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 21:53, 14 January 2009 (EST)
Hello! Nice work with implementing routebox navigation. I have corrected some of them in Norway. You had omited some small vilages that we have articles for. But you had to have local knowledge to know about theme. I have two questions:
ViMy 21:40, 31 January 2009 (EST)
Could you increase the font sizes of at least the countries in the new Europe map? They're completely illegible at thumbnail size. Jpatokal 09:53, 1 February 2009 (EST)
Ha, Ha. You'd be laughing too if you saw my letter to Evan. What you have written is exactly what I had assumed and predicted the problems are with Wikitravel. You have confirmed to me that the "Old Boys Club" mentality is as pervasive as I feared it was. At least you freely admit the obvious bias that exists within the admins and which you demonstrate yourself. So, you will forgive me if I don't consider your criticism of what you perceive to be my "overly aggressive" ways as credible. Paula 00:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)
It is not a "cry...for backup" as you put it that I am looking for, it is the observance to the original ideals, objectivity, fairness and the freedom to make legitamite edits, of the site that I was demanding. And when I did not receive that from the people I thought most committed to those principles I was taken aback and responded concurrently.Paula 00:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)
By the way, I was not the one who had asked for the page to be blocked. I am always willing to compromise and have in the past. And if Evan is not active why has he not been removed on the active list?Paula 00:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)
No.1: If the traveller comes first shouldn't we be giving them accurate information? Does that not count as being necessary? It's not about, "my pony is prettier than your pony." It's about do these things exist or not. Is this information necessary or not? I don't know about you. I REALLY don't know about you but that's what I understand as the "traveller coming first" to mean. If the facts are not important and you refuse to see them and what you're really interested in is creating your own terms for places and inventing things because it's easier or follows some arbitrary guideline beknownst only to you and your band of bureacrats then PLEASE, PLEASE tell me now. I will be happy to let you have your way so you can play with yourselves. But if you genuinely are interested in accepting accurate information that is helpful to anyone visiting these places then believe you me, my "aggression" will subside.
No.2: Have you actually seen my edits? You would be hard pressed to see a simpler structure in some of them. I would be hurt. Every Korean local I have explained this bizarre argument I'm having with y'all would be hurt. And most importantly, anyone trying to get to the beaches and markets on Yongyu Island would be hurt. The official Incheon tourist map lists it as an island , Wikipedia describes the map as Yeongjong Island and Yongyu Island , the description on the link YOU listed also describes it as Yeongjong and Yongyu Island , the airport PR Centre confirms that distinction as well. I mean WTF? Even information you and Jani have listed say exactly what I'm saying. I mean which part is difficult to understand? Every official body acknowledges this. There are 2 islands and the airport is on reclaimed land between them. That's it. Paula 00:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)Paula 00:48, 5 February 2009 (EST)
Hi, Stefan. It'd be great if you could upload the SVG sources for your maps, like the ones you did of Scandinavia and Europe, to Shared. I was hoping to use your Europe one as a basis for maps for the other regions of Europe, but I can't without the SVG. LtPowers 13:57, 8 February 2009 (EST)
Kyoto railway map
That map is gorgeous! One suggestion though: make it clearer which lines end and which lines continue off the map, and add the directions (to Osaka, to Nara, to Biwa etc). Jpatokal 07:42, 17 February 2009 (EST)
Hi Sertman. Thanks for uniformly resizing the photographs in the United States of America article. I have only two concerns: one, that the article will now be too hard for people with low bandwidth speeds to connect to this data-rich article. And two, that the three strong verticals, Bourbon Street, Statue of Liberty, and Motel Sign are sized way too big. What do you think? Thanks! WineCountryInn 13:28, 17 February 2009 (EST)
Feeding the trolls
Hi Stefan - while well-intentioned, comments such as this one tend to be counter-productive as most trolls are looking for attention, and adding comments to a user page to let them know that they are succeeding in getting people upset usually tends to encourage their behavior. It's usually best to either just revert the trolls, or if they are getting under your skin then to simply ignore them and let others deal with it. It's annoying and somewhat sad that people choose to spend their time trolling wikis causing disturbance, but the reality is that trolls will always be around so it is best to treat them as background noise and wait for them to get bored and leave. -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:11, 18 February 2009 (EST)
Hi - I understand that these hotel folks can be hugely annoying, but please try to refrain from attacking them and assume good faith as much as possible. Calling a new user an "idiot" and a "pest" can be counter-productive when they might simply be unfamiliar with our policies and not understand why their content keeps disappearing from the site. It's hugely annoying to clean this stuff up, but at the same time we don't want to chase away someone who might simply not understand how a wiki works. -- Ryan • (talk) • 11:05, 2 March 2009 (EST)
I read it
SERTMANN, I made the changes that we agreed on buy PeterFitzgerald deleted them all including the links you created and approved for me! i just sent this to him...
I noticed you made revisions to these pages. I have been corresponding with Stefan (sertmann) and he was the one that actually made the edits to go with the picture and the link to the front royal page. please review my talk to see that he aggred that this was OK as we are trying to actually build info on to these pages to hopefully build tourism in these areas vs competing areas. sertmann and i discussed at length touting, etc. and he agreed that this small blurb with pic and link to the front royal page was acceptable.
"Good, I'll unprotect in a minute - some comments though; One listing per business is a long standing policy, which you need to discuss elsewhere, we work by consensus around here, and that one is a long standing policy - what you can do is what I did to one of your golf listings - Name of place in name of city - to link to the details, instead of having the info scattered all over the place (that also means if a details change, you don't have to update information on 15 different guides). Don't upload copyrighted images like the one of the hotel, and make sure that the information don't sound like it would on the hotels website or in an ad brochure, especially the info for the hotel is a far cry off how we want things to look here. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 12:06, 2 March 2009 (EST) "
this is what he said, yet you just deleted all my links that he states are acceptable
ALSO, "However, you are welcome to promote golf in Virginia by adding general information about golf to the state-level article - for example, pointing out areas where people tend to go to golf, why Virginia is a good golf destination, etc. Keep it reasonably high-level (2-3 paragraphs) --Ryan"
I created the Golf heading and typed two nice paragraphs about Golf in VA as Ryan suggested and this put the type of link that Sertmann had created for me on there and you deleted that!
Hey there, I was just looking over the Rome page, and saw that you moved the Colosseum, the Forum, and the Pantheon to the district articles. While I agree that a large, detailed listing like that should go into the district article and that there does seem to be a few too many See listings on the main Rome page, shouldn't we leave just a short listing for those main attractions on the main page? A lot of people will at least want to see which district article they're located in. Per example, I'm thinking of the San Francisco#Landmarks section. PerryPlanet Talk 14:42, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
Hi Stefan, thanks for the comments on the map. I wasn't aware there was a passenger rail service in Botswana (although, looking at its site, passengers don't appear to be its main focus). It's in the new version I uploaded. Cheers, Shaund 00:39, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
Hey Stefan, I noticed that the very small country of Kosovo is missing from your Europe map (since it declared independence after that base map was created). On a very related note, would you mind uploading the SVGs you work on for the region maps—it's nice to have them around so I can correct things like this as I see them, and so I can translate them for the Russian version. Thanks! --Peter Talk 00:28, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
Erm, except for Scandinavia, where I accidentally closed inkscape without saving after I exported .png, I have uploaded all the svg versions too... Or am I missing something? --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 08:55, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
Slette opplastede bilder, endre lisens
Hei! Takk for tipsene:) Jeg lurte på om det er mulig å slette de bildene jeg har lastet opp eller kan jeg evt. endre lisens? Har ikke helt forstått hvordan jeg kan gjøre det... Hilsen User:Tinni13.03.09, kl 09.20
Hats off on cleaning up that mess! Combined with the successful Rome collaboration, We're actually moving towards having the Wikitravel guide to Italy not be an embarrassment to the site. --Peter Talk 15:23, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
Hey Stefan, an anonymous user has correctly pointed out that Suriname and Guyana are transposed on your Brazil regions map. I'd fix it myself, but I didn't find an editable source file. Texugo 11:45, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
Hi. Thanks for the comment.
I'd really like a Sydney district map. The map itself isn't as much of a problem as a contining issue in defining the districts. Even when someone suggests a districting strategy - West, East, South West, etc - it still doesn't follow straight onto a map, because there are large chunks that don't fit anywhere. The other week I started on Talk:Sydney/Districts to ensure that in every place has a home. I made some tweaks to the districts, and although they eventually stuck, the first user who saw them reverted them (and maybe has abandoned wikitravel as a result?!) This wasn't a good result, really, as getting additional content should probably rate over getting the districts right. I then thought that perhaps better to use political divisions, even if they didn't correspond to the traveller view, at least there wouldn't be any disputes over what went where. Since then I have been thinking that this is a cop out. Anyway, I guess the point I'm making is that the lack of a map is due to a combination of poorly defined districts, and my less than certain footing on how it should be done. I'd certainly appreciate any further comments or feedback you have on the districting process, and what you consider to be the well districted cities. Do you prefer London, with districts like London/Oxford Street, and London/Marylebone micro-districts? Do you like Paris with its straight up and down political boundaries, which probably mean nothing to an average traveller, but are easy to organise? Do you like Chicago with its compass point and distance divisions? Should I be getting out my political atlas, going with my gut feel, or geting out my protractor to get this job done? Hmmm... --Inas 20:25, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
The photo on the Banaue page, that I think you uploaded, doesn't look like Banaue to me. It is identified as Cambolo. I don't want to get accused of promoting my own photos so if you can confirm that it is Banuae I'll leave it alone. Otherwise I have lots that I can guarantee are Banaue. Thanks.Shep Talk14:36, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm not angry, i would just like to have been informed. And ok, I'll change it. Claire1223 16:11, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Chez Bernard is closed. Though I thought the food was bad, even for UB standards, and the prices high, I realize it was a bit of an institution among tourists so I wouldn't have removed it, but now it is closed replaced by another restaurant with another name. I didn't include it yet, since when I checked they were open but not planning to have a cook for several months.
BTW: I tried to use Sertmann's talk page, but couldn't figure out how to make a new entrance (though this may work. I still don't know how to respond to a note to my talk page).
Spam filter expression
Hey Stefan, for some reason the regular expressions you have been adding using exclamation points (I'm probably too regular expression-illiterate to understand what you are aiming for) are interfering with the rollback functionality. Would you mind starting a discussion first to explain what you are up to. Thanks! --Peter Talk 13:57, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I find it interesting that you think it is ok to put incorrect information in without any source. For example there were many beautification projects and parks in UB before the split up of the Soviet System. For example there was the Children's park, and the park that stretched from the Children's park to the Bogd Xaan mountains. After the split up there has been uncontrolled development and not much maintanance, though they did repave Suukhbaatar Square recently. I think for some casual traveler to put in a statement of fact like "When under communist control, the city was forbidden to waste funds on beautification projects, and this policy is no doubt partly responsible for the city's present drab and uninteresting architecture." A statement like "UB is indeed one of the most drab looking cities on the face of the planet, a travesty really, considering it's the capital of one the most beautiful and hospitable countries on earth" is certainly acceptable". —The preceding comment was added by Jstampfl (talk • contribs) .
Hello. I found Dragør article randomly, and I guess it may better be merged into Copenhagen/Amager. Do you think that way? If not, please note that it's currently an orphan page, so it should be linked from somewhere. - Vidimian 09:45, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
Did you see the NYTimes travel article  on Christianshavn? I find their travel writers to be perpetually clueless, and this was reinforced by their (silly) Amsterdam snobbery. I say Christianshavn is much cooler, and Christiania makes the Dutch look staid. (Apologies to the Dutch in advance) --Peter Talk 14:26, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
If can spare the time, please have a look at that page. Thanks, --Rein N. 09:50, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
I couldn't find a discussion on the vfd for this deletion. I believe this was deleted by you because you assumed that it was created by a vandal? It was actually a legitimate page that was vandalized. I restored it. Please let me know if I goofed up or something.. —Ravikiran 08:57, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
Many thanks for adding a pre-formatted map to the Intramuros page. I was all set to start editing the original SVG file today - initially concentrating on adding landmarks, editing street names and so forth - but for some reason I can't seem to access any layers in Inkscape 0.46 (that is, the file opens easily enough but nothing appears in the Layers list). I can't seem to find anything on Wikitravel:How_to_draw_a_map that would help me resolve this issue, so I'd be very grateful for your suggestions. I'm a complete novice at map editing via Inkscape so please feel free to instruct me as if I know absolutely nothing. --Diego de Manila 04:44, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
I noticed you put the discussion for Hovd back on the OtBP Collaboration of the month candidate page, but since it's currently being featured, it should probably be removed again. I haven't seen an archive for OtBP features but if there is one, it should probably be removed from the page and archived. ChubbyWimbus 17:26, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
Kyoto districts map
Hey mind if I switch the green for the high contrast dark green pattern? I think as it is right now, the green color for mountains/forest/wilderness is similar enough to the other colors on the map where it looks a little confusing. --Peter Talk 21:15, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
Thank you stefan..I will follow the guides and just want to contribute to the site as much as possible. I will follow all the guidelines so can you please remove me from the blacklist.
We do have office and I will include the address where renters can get info but we do all keyless entries to the house and everything by email. I will look over the two examples that you gave me and use them as a guide. I will also complete all the dining,things to do on the deep creek lake page. If you question anything that I put up about the area please let me know. I would also like to put up a history area for deep creek lake.
Thank you again Chad
Republic of Taigh a Bata
You posted a message about my little republic a while ago, and you are right. I am not going to revive it until I get a little more international recognition. I have got some recognition, however, from the Empire of Austenasia  - have a look under 'Foreign Office'. Also, feel free to visit my website  and sign the new guestbook. Scarwood.
How you doing? I actually uploaded the imaeg to the shared drive to start with, but then couldn't suss out how to link to it. Hence I went ahead and added the photo to the website anyway - this provided me with the standard 'red link' - clicking on which toko me to an upload page, obviously the one not on the shared drive. Any guidnace on how to link to the shared site would be appreciated. —The preceding comment was added by Twbroch (talk • contribs) .
The Chicago precedent
Hey now, those big cities  had their messy ad hoc districts way before Chicago had any districts. I'd say the Chicago guide has only encouraged more careful planning with district schemes around the site ;) --Peter Talk 19:58, 26 July 2009 (EDT).
Uploads from Flickr
No, I had not noticed, please explain what I did wrong, cant I upload images from Flickr?, or should it be done in another way? ClausHansen 14:24, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
Trans-Siberian Railway routeboxes
Hey Sertmann, thanks for jumping on that. Can you point me to your source list of stops? Also if you get bored, I created this icon too: . Texugo 12:15, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
Stefan, would you mind to give us a quick feedback if the Nusa Lombagan article deserves guide status. User burmesedays did a terrific job but Peter last time objected an upgrade and now there a lot of changes...jan 09:58, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
I just read your comment. We are an agency for many cities, but in about 10 cities we own apartments - in those apartments we have a reception / office that deals with: customers when they arrive, gives out keys, can be contacted by phone etc, deals with customer paperwork when they arrive. Is this OK to post in those cities? (I don't want to break any rules - but I would think the above classify as offices)
You lost your SVGs? That's awful! I've lost some important WT articles I was working on, including a huge rewrite of the Turkey article, a basically complete Batumi page, and a crushing loss of a complete Chicago/Southwest Side article (which I've now rewritten), but I have yet to lose any SVGs. I take some comfort in the fact that they're backed up on Shared—except for my DC map, which exceeds the upload size limit. (Better find somewhere to back that one up online...) --Peter Talk 16:59, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
Probably the main problem of communication comes from a certain episode where personal relations deteriorated in dramatic fashion between IB's main WT contacts & myself and Cacahuate—we had earlier taken the lead in cooperation with IB. It's most likely related that those contacts have been swapped for new ones (Keith Hoerling & Dick Bradley). I'll try to get back in touch on a more regular basis with them via email, and see if I can't get some of the low-work, high-value tech requests resolved (IB is rather bad at on-site communication or wiki-ways generally). I have a pretty good rapport with Keith, and hopefully will establish one with Dick. --Peter Talk 17:27, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
Osmatravel rendering results
I've run my current version of the scripts against your in-page config, and it looks like everything is good. There are a lot of missing listings, but otherwise it's fine. Here's the SVG and the [:Image:Copenhagen_Østerbro_map_with_listings.png png]. Unfortunately Wikitravel doesn't seem to like the special character in the image name, so probably we'll have to work around that. You can download the image to proof it though. -- Mark 15:28, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
Big Mac Index
Hi Stefan - what was the point of the Big Mac Index on the USA article? It was added without an edit comment so I may just not understand the joke, but it looks a bit hack-ish in the article and opens us up to more questionable additions on an already overloaded article. My preference (obviously) is not to include it without at least a bit more background, so would it be possible to at least re-format it and make it into a more standard infobox with a paragraph or two of text? Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 14:04, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
Denmark: What to buy
Thanks for such a diverse and comprehensive list for Denmark. I expected that my small edit will trigger some other contribution, but not expected it will be that prompt and detailed :-) Thanks, Stefan! --DenisYurkin 17:08, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
What is a Fuidecity?
You changed the Rochester MN city tag from usablecity to fuidecity. But that template doesn't seem to exist at this point. Was that a typo? Jbradfor 17:21, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
Vacation Rentals Listings Sites?
Hey Groundskeeper, is it ok if I put my vacation rentals site on here? I noticed some locations have VRBO listed...
Ok, went ahead and created a User:Collegeweekends User page with our info. Our #1 goal is to just to provide visitors with more options then just hotels and bed and breakfasts. If we have fulfilled all of the guidelines, what would be the best way to link our site to Wikitravel? Should we provide links to individual properties like this, or should I link to our listings page, or just stick to something vague and point to a specific location's homepage
The listing should look something like this:
--Stefan (sertmann) Talk 16:30, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
I like that format a lot, but unfortunately we don't have a physical walk-in office. However, several of our listings are happy to post their physical address, so can we post their listing as the physical entitiy in each community? --User:Collegeweekends 16:00 13, October, 2009 MST
OK, so here it gets tricky. We don't want to have several different properties from College Weekends listed everywhere that has a University. This is a freehand mishmash of our policy, but I think our opinion would go something like this; if you are the only agency where you are able to book these properties through, you may list one property per destination (if the town is districtified one per district), The properties must include:
so it looks something like this:
one thing of note though, you don't seem to be exclusive for this property no? and please notice the omission of "fabulatastic luxuriously pampering property located not only near, but INSIDE! EVERY attraction, restaurant, bar in the city, TOTALLY CHEAP but we won't tell you how much until you're at our website!". Doesn't work around here, people are just too smart :) empty listings without descriptions also tend be deleted rather quickly when we catch them - we don't want to be the yellow pages. All that being said, thanks for taking the time to ask the right questions, wish more business owners would do that. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 18:54, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
This all sounds great. We're going to get the permission of our favorite exclusive listings across our site and round up the information necessary to post them. Thank you for your continued assistance throughout the day, and you can expect to see us start posting our listings tomorrow. If any conflicts arise, I'll do my best to ask you through this conversation that we are fulfilling your aforementioned guidelines. --Collegeweekends 19:27, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
Profile Travel Map
Hi. I saw the world map you have on your profile page with all the countries you have been to in red. Kind of fancy one myself. Can you tip me on a source that requires little or no programming skills? Thanks Mariusm98 13:59, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
Hi Stefan.. do you really think Luang Prabang is a guide article? Well obviously you do, so that's retorical :) I have this one on my list to address and put a few of my photos up there a while back. There is a lot of good info (and some not so good) there but it needs quite a big re-write I think. Cheers. --Burmesedays 09:10, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
Nice work. I wanted to mention, though, that I think "swanking" is your own coinage (aside from a few totally fabricated ones  at urbandictionary). Not that I'm saying you should get rid of it—I rather like the child of swanky and spanking new! --Peter Talk 12:58, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
Deleting hotel from the listing
Hi, I read advised info before posting. There is nothing about "don't add listings to country ". I can quote paragraph proving that i do everything according RULES. Interesting, that another guys can have their info there. Not fair. Why you call yourself free project, if only ppl you chose (i mean PAY) can stay on definite spots. Btw from District section (not country) my listing was deleted as well. It upsets, really, that my time and energy is spent for nothing. Kate
I'll leave Italy to you for today and come back to it tomorrow, hopefully. Else we could make a terrible mess editing at the same time.Shep 15:43, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
You're very welcome...and thanks for the words of encouragement! I worked on a west coast city too, but am hoping to make Iowa sparkle. :) I did a bunch of work 3 yrs ago but sort of getting into it again...feel indebted to the folks who've posted stuff for Asian destinations. Still learning how to use Wikimarkups and just hope I'm not doing too bad of a job...have a good one! Drew 17:45 Zepppep 17:46, 22 October 2009 (EDT)22 Oct 2009 (EDT)
The many hours I spent trying to clean up Kansas City, MO's article seem to have been for naught...I don't see the changes and on the history tab of the article, I don't see any actions listed that someone else might have done (i.e, revert changes).
Furthermore, I just spent about 1 hr. cleaning up the Drink section and something happened on the page where the entire edit page went blank except for the Wikitravel logo (everything...even the edit box outline). Not sure...but pretty PO'd. Any idea about what's going on with either situation? Not too motivated for doing the same thing AGAIN!Zepppep 13:27, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
Hi Stefan, I notice you signature is customised, but can not find a page to describe how it is done. Could you give me a pointer? Pbsouthwood 03:18, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
I've self-nominated my inter-language linking bot for ko: at shared:Script nominations#Tatatabot on ko:, and I need one more admin's support to get approval because our policy states If 2 administrators voice their support for the script within 7 days, and none oppose it in that period. Would you support this nomination?
I feel this is a mere formality since the bot already has bot flags on all language versions except the latest one and many people know its usefulness. But I'd like to complete the nomination process since I need evidence to request IB's tech team to flip a bot flag, or since I'll need evidence to flip the flag by myself after I get a bureaucrat flag of Korean version. So, it is much appreciated if you would vote.
Thank you in advance. -- Tatata 21:39, 27 October 2009 (EDT)