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::I really appreciate your invitation, but, you know, at the moment I really enjoy editing at WT and hope my efforts can help some traveler, but perhaps part of the fun is that I don't feel any responsibility. Obviously, becoming a volunteer admin is not like accepting a high pressured job at Microsoft, but somehow it changes the atmosphere. Furthermore, later in the year I'm going to be in some very remote regions for several months where there are few places with electricity, let alone internet connections. So, maybe let's think about next year when I am hooked up to the net again. In addition, if we created so much havoc, we might be persona non gratis at the Wikitravel get-togethers. Anyway, take it easy, and I hope Cincinnati can make it to being a star. [[User:WindHorse|WindHorse]] 08:27, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
 
::I really appreciate your invitation, but, you know, at the moment I really enjoy editing at WT and hope my efforts can help some traveler, but perhaps part of the fun is that I don't feel any responsibility. Obviously, becoming a volunteer admin is not like accepting a high pressured job at Microsoft, but somehow it changes the atmosphere. Furthermore, later in the year I'm going to be in some very remote regions for several months where there are few places with electricity, let alone internet connections. So, maybe let's think about next year when I am hooked up to the net again. In addition, if we created so much havoc, we might be persona non gratis at the Wikitravel get-togethers. Anyway, take it easy, and I hope Cincinnati can make it to being a star. [[User:WindHorse|WindHorse]] 08:27, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
  
== Wikivoyage meeting ==
 
 
Hi Sapphire,
 
 
I read that you travel to Europe from August. I invite you in the name of the Wikivoyage Association for our meeting on September 29 in Stuttgart ([http://wikivoyage.org/de/Wikivoyage:Lounge#Mitgliederversammlung_29._September_2007_Stuttgart]). It would be nice if you come. Please mail me if you won't answer here: [mailto:vorstand@wikivoyage.org vorstand@wikivoyage.org] or [mailto:Steffen.Mokosch@web.de Steffen.Mokosch@web.de] --[[User:Steffen M.|Steffen M.]] 18:59, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
 
 
:I read about it a few days ago.  I will not be able to make it, especially as that will be the last weekend I'll have before starting my university studies.  Thank you for the offer.  -- [[User:Sapphire|Sapphire]] • <small>([[User_talk:Sapphire|Talk]])</small> • 14:59, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
 
  
 
== the Old square in Poznań ==
 
== the Old square in Poznań ==

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Stolen page[edit]

Hi Andrew, first I hope you had a nice new years eve and are didn't a sip too much as I ;-) I will be very busy in the next months and therefore I have withdrawn my docent status for Berlin. As I was cleaning up I found that page [2] that has scalped my under discussion page. I think that a violation? Regards, Jc8136 13:38, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Prosit Neujahr! It is a violation of the CC-by-SA 1.0 license for two reasons. One, they haven't fulfilled the ShareAlike clause which forces them to relicense the work under the same license. Secondly, they haven't attributed any of the authors, though the MediaWiki software forced a 'This content was taken from (http://www.wikitravel.org/en/pagename)'. I'll send them an email in a few days asking for them to correct the issues. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 21:02, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Fairfiled (Ohio) - "Get Out" Section"[edit]

Hi Sapphire I was editing the Fairfield (Ohio) page and found that in the "Getting Out" section, there was the hyperlink to MiddleTown, Ohio. Any specific reason for adding this city in the Fairfield page?

--Bkris 15:42, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Not really. I assume that I added the link and that's the case I probably just got my geographical locations mixed up. Feel free to remove it. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 15:53, 5 January 2007 (EST)
Sure Andrew. Thanks for responding.

--Bkris 16:15, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Also wanted to know what exactly goes into this "Get Out" section. Any idea? --Bkris 16:18, 5 January 2007 (EST)
That section serves as a place to suggest alternate destinations for travelers to visit. If you look at the Cincinnati guide that shows a good example "Get out" section. You may also want to look at Wikitravel:Small city article template. Also, I've restored some of the information you deleted, because it contained a lot of information we use for geographical mapping within Wikitravel. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 16:23, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Admin nomination[edit]

I've nominated User:Cacahuate to become an admin; please comment on Wikitravel:administrator nominations when you have some time. --Evan 01:29, 6 January 2007 (EST)

That was quick[edit]

[That was a quick response to Ae-a. Thanks for the help. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 09:38, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Actually, you were quicker. My original intention was a revert with a simple explanation in the summary box, but you beat me to the button. WindHorse 10:10, 14 January 2007 (EST)

listen, i'm sorry for the rockies image[edit]

Andrew,

I'm sorry for lying about the image. But it would be nice if you stopped using phrases such as 'piss me off'. It is extremely rude to use such language on user-talk pages.Upamanyuwikitravel 06:21, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Linkig to user page on shared??[edit]

Hi buddy! I notice that on your user page you have a link to your user page on shared! How'd you get that? I can't see any way of doing it, and I can't see any tags that you've added into the wiki... Tim 07:39, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Cool. Thanks for that I (finally!) figured it out! That page could do with a bit of rewording I think! back to revision I go... -- Tim 15:07, 24 January 2007 (EST)
Hahaha, I'll deal with those once I've figured out the finer details of disk and spherical galaxies.... -- Tim 15:57, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Myanmar[edit]

So does not believing in the "NPOV" policy is one thing mean Wikitravel believes in the WMBPOV policy: The White Man's Burden Point of View policy? The site set the goal of being traveler oriented. I am following that policy. Americans who support cultural imperialism are not the only people who travel in the world. Being as traveler-oriented as possible means articles should be useful to as many travelers as possible, and this includes people from Asia, Africa, and Latin America who don't have an axe to grind against countries on the hit list of the Bush administration. -- Akhilesh M.

Since we don't give a damn about NPOV we are prone to tell it how it is. We call a spade a spade, and don't manipulate a spade to look like a club. The Myanmar article is not your soap box for denouncing George Bush, if you have a problem with him why do you bother whining about it on my talk page and the talk page of the Myanmar guide? The reason is you're just looking for a rise out of people and you're full of it when you go about whining that the NGOs are "agents" of foreign govenments. The truth is the Burmese government is corrupt and conscientious travelers will want to know that.
You're a real joke if you honestly believe the Amnesty International is an agent of the U.S. Imperialistic Task Force, or whatever cabal you can imagine. You know what else, you're a racist xenophobe. If you're serious about Bush Administration you'll knock off the xenophobic anti-West rants and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! I don't get why you're wasting your time on Wikitravel when you're a part of the system of corruption, unless you're out there in the streets trying to resist globalization in a peaceful and meaningful manner. Why not resist the big bogeyman like Martin Luther King Jr. did? or start a balanced and independent media outlet?
Don't come here and hassle people because they are Americans, Europeans, or whatever. Don't come here and bash people because they fall into the category of rich white folks. Your hollering that Western travelers and Western nations are racist and whatever else will not get you anywhere here. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 03:47, 27 January 2007 (EST)

P.S. Put your money where your mouth is. If you've got a problem with the American administration the government is open to your thoughts. President Bush's email is: comments@whitehouse.gov. My Senators' names are George Voinovich or Sherrod Brown. Mr. Brown's telephone number is +1- 202-224-2315. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 03:53, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Southeastern Indiana[edit]

Should it be VFD'd? ~ 58.8.6.60 00:48, 29 January 2007 (EST)

I don't know. One solution could be redirecting the article to Southern Indiana. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 11:41, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Windsor[edit]

Thanks for the intro to the "Understand" section of Windsor. I wasn't quite sure how to tackle it and I was going to take the bland encyclopedic approach, but your intro solves the problem I had. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 20:14, 2 February 2007 (EST)

No problem. I just added some basic stuff to get the ball rolling. Hopefully someone with greater knowledge of the city can add more details. WindHorse 04:41, 3 February 2007 (EST)

Krakow/...[edit]

Should these be VFD'd?

I think if they are all sub-districts, yes. Someone went a little nuts creating a bunch of useless articles, in my opinion. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 16:59, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Iraq, Security[edit]

The main agency I'm familiar with having used them twice is a firm called GENRIC based near london, http://www.genric.co.uk is their website I believe. I think there is also Blakewater and a couple of others based in the states as GENRIC only usually work with European contractors, not sure why. --MiddleEastern 11:36, 4 February 2007 (EST)

Cebu (island) / Cebu (Island)[edit]

Looks like it got moved from "Cebu (island)" but then reverted to "Cebu (Island)" - ? ~ 61.91.191.6 03:31, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Bay Village / Gay Village[edit]

Both look like they've got mixed up during multiple page moves ~ 61.91.191.11 23:55, 6 February 2007 (EST)


Entrance of Taipei101[edit]

>May I ask, do you know which street Taipei 101's entrance is located on? I noticed you've been uploading images to Wikitravel Shared of the tower, so I was hoping you might know. If you could leave an answer on en:User_talk:Sapphire I'd appreciate it. Thanks! -- Sapphire 2007年2月10日 08:18 (JST)

Taipei101 has many entrances. So you can enter from each directions. If you take a shuttle bus from MRT city hall station, you will reach west side. I think the east side entrance is the biggest. To go to the top of tower, you need to go to the fifth floor at first. --ResTpeRoc 23:34, 9 February 2007 (EST)

Thanks! Is the biggest entrance on SongZhi Road? -- Sapphire 23:42, 9 February 2007 (EST)
Yes, I think so. --ResTpeRoc 09:02, 10 February 2007 (EST)

Street Signs in Asia[edit]

You were interested in English street signs in Asia, so thought you might like to check out these images. They are not very exciting, but will give you a better idea of the street sign scene in Asia than mere descriptions. Taiwan: [3] [4], Japan: [5], [6], China: [7] Japan and Korea tend to transliterate the word for street/road, whereas Taiwan, Malaysia and Singapore use the English words. Thailand has a mixture of both. Incidentally, you can find the addresses for Taipei 101 on this web page: [8] Take it easy WindHorse 00:47, 11 February 2007 (EST) Ps. If ever you need a secretary, think of me.

Thanks! I've been curious about this for only a few days. It didn't make sense to me that English would be plastered all over street signs, but I guess it does make sense too. Secretary? Come on... I'm making you Vice President of Sapphire Industries, Inc. -- Sapphire 00:57, 11 February 2007 (EST)
Thanks. I'm honored. WindHorse 21:37, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Image licensing[edit]

In reply to your email, I am happy to license my images under the CC-by-SA 1.0 license. Is there a suitable template? Regards AYArktos 20:28, 11 February 2007 (EST)

That was quick. Yeah, if you use {{cc-by-sa-1.0}}. Also, if you want to provide your real name we can give you "real" attribution, but it's not necessary because we can link to your user page. -- Sapphire 20:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Minnan phrasebook[edit]

I don't know Minnan or Taiwanese (same translations exist there), but I think those color translations you removed might actually have been correct. The following gives similar results, thought the spelling is different: [9] and [10]. -- NJR_ZA 05:26, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Ha Ha. It does look like vandalism, but actually it is not. Those are the correct transliterations for the months of the year, though traditionally the word for month was Romanized as goéh not gay. WindHorse 05:31, 16 February 2007 (EST)
Oh shitd! (Black in Minnan, but you thought it meant something else... 8) ) -- Sapphire 06:39, 16 February 2007 (EST)
 :) Now imagine living in a country with 11 official languages. -- NJR_ZA 07:07, 16 February 2007 (EST)
I think I'd probably explode... I work with Mexicans and don't know a single useful and non-vulgar word of Spanish and that can be very hard sometimes... Depending if I ever get frustrated enough I'll start speaking German to them and let them have a taste of their own medicine... :) -- Sapphire 07:36, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Main page protection[edit]

Hi Andrew - in response to your email, and per the discussion on Wikitravel talk:How to handle unwanted edits, I don't think there's anything wrong with adding temporary protection to the main page when it's subject to repeated vandalism. -- Ryan 23:22, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Agreed. This one was kinda over the top. Sorry I wasn't around to help. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:24, 16 February 2007 (EST)
Great. I didn't want to subvert the philosophy, but there's a point... Thanks for the responses. -- Sapphire 23:27, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Sysop status[edit]

Hi, thank you for suggesting sysop nomination for me. Is it acceptable to get sysop status to simply avoid patrolling? I'm also afraid I may not deserve a de: sysop because I can't speak German. --Episteme 11:44, 19 February 2007 (EST)

I have a hard time speaking and writing German since my grammar is near horrible, but I can read it fairly decently, but I still try to do what I can and hope that someone comes along and corrects my mistakes. ;) Anyhow, Phillip told me I should nominate you too. Since you're on every wiki and notice spam and vandalism that we've overlooked it would be good to get you a revert button (Zürucksetzen). I'll hold off nominating you here unless someone else encourages me to do so. Looks like we might be getting a "trusted user" feature, which would effectively auto-patrol your edits, though, I would like to get you a revert button here too. -- Sapphire 23:21, 19 February 2007 (EST)
I thought Episteme was an admin... I'd support it if you do nominate - Cacahuate 11:58, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Climate data[edit]

Found a nice tool and data that we can use to source values for Template:ClimateCelsius. Dive-GIS provides a free (MS windows) tool where one can click on a map and get the corresponding climate data. I have checked that data against SAWS data and temperatures correspond nicely, rainfall figures are a lot higher so I'll be ignoring those for South Africa as I don't know if it is SAWS or this data that is suspect. The data originally comes from the US Energy and Environment Directorate and as far as I can tell it license free. --NJR_ZA 07:21, 20 February 2007 (EST)

I did a little bit of checking on that this morning and I suspect the data is actually a result of several different nations (including those that copyright government materials) coming together and providing various data about various topics, which may have been used compiled then distributed. I don't have any conclusive proof that the data is copyrighted, but be careful... As a preventive measure I might stagger the data. As an example, if the data says that during the month of April the mean temperature in Cape Town is 69 degress Fahrenheit, change it to say 69.2 or something. -- Sapphire 20:31, 20 February 2007 (EST)

People in photos[edit]

Do you think this photo is usable under the Shared:Image policy? Gorilla Jones 12:10, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Yes, because no one is identifiable. Thanks for the Trans-Siberian images. I've been making use of them on de:Transsibirische Eisenbahn. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 17:36, 22 February 2007 (EST)
Thanks! Gorilla Jones 20:57, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Ha![edit]

What's so funny about it?

Ha! I saw this months ago and wondered what it was about—just figured it out! --Peterfitzgerald Talk 01:12, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
Did you look at the history? Sapphire(Talk) • 03:32, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
No, I saw the message on Ryan's talk page after reading the Wikitravel talk:How to handle unwanted edits page ;) --Peterfitzgerald Talk 02:03, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
Well, originally my comment was something like: 'Hey, I'll go to Brisbane take care of everything, but I may need you guys to tell the police I was with you.' Then Ryan replied: 'Make sure you don't go to the Myer Centre... I hear it can be dangerous' or something to that effect. Ryan's was the best comment and I had a good laugh. I later deleted my comment because I thought they guy might be crazy sensitive and didn't want to give him nightmares. Sapphire(Talk) • 03:32, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
He seems quiet lately, I was starting to enjoy my outright assaults. Not my usual approach, but he brings out my fun side ;) – cacahuate talk 02:51, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

hu[edit]

Thank you for warning me about the two MediaWiki articles in the Hungarian Wikitravel. Actually they haven't existed yet so I could only create them. Strapontin 02:31, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Sacred sites of India[edit]

Could be spare a moment to comment on Talk:Sacred sites of India about whether you find it a relevant and useful travel topic. I'm kind of not too comfortable with it, nor is Jani, but Windhorse and User:Cacahuate decided to give a shot. Upamanyuwikitravel 07:46, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Where are Mr. Finn's comments at? I can't seem to find any except one line. -- Sapphire

(Talk) • 13:44, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Here, from Talk:India..

I'll dissent, for one. A comprehensive list of sacred sites for India would be near-infinitely long, and the point of the main India page is to give selected pointers, not whack readers on the head with a phonebookful of listings. Jpatokal 02:26, 20 February 2007 (EST) Whats your opinion?


Bogus copyvio claims[edit]

Why did you mark this image as a copyvio when in fact it is in the public domain? Why did you remove all references to it without checking its Wikimedia Commons page first? CandleWithHare 13:19, 2 March 2007 (EST)

It's not bogus. I'm restoring the copyvio banner and vfd'ing it at Shared. The person who uploaded it to Commons is not a trustworthy source of information. Look at his log book on en:. Most of his image uploads were deleted for being copyvios. He claimed the images were either CC-by-SA 1.0 or public domain, which was normally wrong. True, that doesn't make him wrong every time, but I'm more inclined to believe the woman who claims to have taken the photo and stamped a all rights reserved on it. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 14:28, 2 March 2007 (EST)
Well, now I'm not positive again, but I'm going to check this out again since the probability is on my side that the image is a copyvio. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 14:35, 2 March 2007 (EST)
Maybe we should hire a private investigator, just to be sure... Seriously though, I think it's going too far. First of all, this photo was uploaded to Commons in Dec 2005, but only in May 2006 to the site you linked to, so it couldn't have been appropriated from that other site. And even if this woman is the author, she may have agreed to release it into the public domain in a private e-mail or even a conversation -- this we can never find out by googling.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if we're discussing probability, then if this image has managed to stay intact for so long in the Commons, which are full of copyright Nazis, then it's fairly probable that there was nothing to pick on. Also, due to this DMCA thing you have in the US, it's not a legal problem too until someone complains. That's why I think it is wrong to deprive a few articles of a great photo just because there is a remote possibility of licence problems.
CandleWithHare 17:34, 2 March 2007 (EST)
PS If you're really concerned about it, let's put a VfD notice on it in the Commons and see what happens.
See my comments at User talk:CandleWithHare. I have vfd'ed it on shared. -- Colin 18:02, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Warsaw DotM discussion follow-up[edit]

I didn't want to be confrontational with the revert -- the thing I was missing the most was the graphics. My only goal is to make the article better and I want to do it through consensus, not controversies or conflicts. In particular, I don't want to undo your work, because you are a valuable contributor to the article.

Also, as you have a broader perspective by looking on the whole project, it's likely you have a point this time too :) Still, I think some deletions should be discussed, but such discussion could be postponed without harm as long as there's more important work to do.

Here's what I think we need to do to focus on what's important:

1. You remove all the information you deem useless in the article, but put it back on some temporary page (say Talk:Warsaw/Removed so it is not gone forever but convieniently stored somewhere for future consideration.

2. We (I) work on the resulting compacted article and improve it to make it Good™.

3. When everything's tip-top and there is no more important work to do, we can optionally go back to what was removed and see if it's still relevant.

Tell me what you think about this.

CandleWithHare 18:25, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Sounds like a good idea. Before we do a lot of the rewrite I think we should start a page (preferably Talk:Warsaw/Collaboration) and get ideas/suggestions/comments/criticisms about how the article can be improved and how to go about this. Also, I don't want to merge the districts, at this time, because I think we should focus on how to best improve the articles (districts including). Then, once our guides have been improved, discuss the possibility of merging districts. By the way, I think we should use "Russian market" as the "main name", because for whatever reason it's more well known amongst English speakers than the more official name. Of course, we could say "Russian Market/Local name". -- Sapphire(Talk) • 02:39, 3 March 2007 (EST)
As for the "Russian Market", it seems you are right and this name is prevalent [11]. I changed it back, sorry for the confusion. The problem I have with it is that there are hardly any Russians there nowadays -- most of the sellers are Vietnamese. But it's really not that important anyway. CandleWithHare 12:12, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Sacred sites of India[edit]

Just wanted to thank you for your valuable suggestions Upamanyuwikitravel 09:36, 3 March 2007 (EST)

Fancy signature[edit]

Nice signature you've got there. How do you get the talk page link to show up? Upamanyuwikitravel 06:46, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Click "preferences", under "Nickname" check the "Raw signatures (without automatic link)" box, then type up whatever you want in the "Nickname" field. I used [[User:Sapphire|Sapphire]] • <small>([[User_talk:Sapphire|Talk]])</small> •. I think I did it mostly out of boredom/curiosity. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 09:40, 4 March 2007 (EST)
post scriptum; don't forget to save. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 09:49, 4 March 2007 (EST)
Thanks. I think I've got it. Upamanyuwiki(Talk) •. 09:56, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Testing 123 – cacahuate talk 01:14, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Looks good. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 01:21, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
@cacahuate: Are you ok? Feeling sick? You look a bit green... :-) --Flip666 writeme! • 10:44, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Cincinnati map[edit]

Turned out to be easier and quicker than I expected. Here you go Image:Map-USA-Cincinnati01.svg --NJR_ZA 11:15, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Awesome! Thanks, I've been working on it and should have it done soon enough. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 17:41, 6 March 2007 (EST)
I'm going to take this discussion to Wikitravel talk:How to draw a map so we can use info from it to update Wikitravel:How to draw a map --NJR_ZA 02:25, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Eurasian Satellite Imagery[edit]

Hey, just getting back to you about the program you're trying out. Any luck? I have a strong, but as of yet unrealized, interest in cartography and would love to get some maps up for cities in the Caucasus. --Peterfitzgerald Talk 12:42, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Ah yeah, I tried World Wind too. Thanks though. Do you know of any non-satellite sources that I could use as a base for a map? On another topic entirely, I saw that World 66 & Wikitravel are "sister projects." Does this mean that I can import text & images from there? If so, is there any sort of extra procedure to follow with that? --Peterfitzgerald Talk 15:33, 7 March 2007 (EST)
Add this template: {{FromWorld66|continent/country/state/city|~~~~}} to the bottom of the page. Where "continent/country/state/city" is type in the part of the url from World66 that you want to use. So if I were to use something from World66's Cincinnati guide I would type: {{FromWorld66|northamerica/unitedstates/ohio/cincinnati|~~~~}}. There is a disclaimer I need to add. Don't use any images. Apparently W66 uses a script to search for and use any images it finds, which means some, if not all images are copyrighted and may or may not be licensed under CC-by-SA 1.0. Also, you'll need to be careful about any text you take because W66 used to be licensed under GNU FDL, but later switched to CC-by-SA 1.0. They asked people for permission to relicense the content, but I'm not very satisfied they've covered their tracks, but I might be wrong too. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:01, 7 March 2007 (EST)

black list[edit]

Mexbound was placed next text regarding purchasing online mexico insurance. It was taken off and not been replaced. However you decided to blacklist it as spam. It is a legitimate website that sell Mexico insurance. Which is just like other sites on here that have a hotel or a vacation rental in mexico. The section was driving and the information provided by me was regarding driving in mexico rules and ways to purchase mexico insurance. I dont see why it was needed to be added to a spam list. I understand if you want to take it off, however to blacklist a sight that is not a porn sight is bad judgement. You should always contact that member first before you just blacklist them.. Also cancunmexicoinsider is also a website providing information regarding hotels maps in cancun. Just like www.cancuninfo.com does which is currently on the cancun page. this site has been removed several times, however it is not in the spam list. Please remove these sites from the spamlist. They will not be palced back on wikitravel.com, however being in the spamlist is not good for the search engines, and we all have businesses we need to run. Please in the future contact me first before just blacklisting a business. I supply tons of info both to wikipedia and wikitravel. that will increase tourist information in mexico.

Thank You

I'd encourage you to bring your request up on Wikitravel talk:Local spam blacklist. I'm not particularly interested in the issue, at the moment. Another administrator reverted your earlier removal of the websites from the blacklist and since there were no comments this is likely to continue unless you bring up the problem on the aforementioned talk page. Unfortunately, talking to me alone is fruitless as I don't own or control the blacklist page. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 18:05, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Glacier NP[edit]

What's iffy about the Read section? I think it was just part of the template I started out with. Are we not supposed to list actual published resources or something? (I don't really mind one way or another, but I do think it's valuable information.) Palimpsest 22:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

There's simply never been any discussion about a "read" section. Past discussions have shown a strong preference that we don't like to promote other travel guides, unless they cater to something that falls outside of Wikitravel's scope. As of now, no template makes use of a "read" section.
Rather than removing it, though I may do so later after bringing it up on the Glacier National Park talk page, I moved it to the understand section, as policy requires us to list such things like newspapers under that section. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 22:18, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

~ on the keyboard[edit]

Righto. Yeah, you're right, I remember that some of the keys in a German keyboard are different. The last time I used a German keyboard was at Zurich, and that too quite a few years back. In my crazy nation, we use British grammar, mixed-up spellings and an American keyboard! Take care Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 05:26, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Cincinnati[edit]

Nope, sorry, never been there. I've looked over the guide and it mentions the few things I've heard about (theme parks, concert venues). My parents have a few friends down there and visit them every month or so. They're out of town this weekend, but I'll ask for their input when they get back. Overall, it looks pretty good, but is there a reason the headings are out of order (See, Learn, Work, Do)? - Fastestdogever 11:12, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Isn't there a huge grocery store in Cincy? Something makes me think thats where it is - maybe it has a train inside? And a huge selection of hot sauces? -- Fastestdogever 22:14, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
You're probably thinking of "Jungle Jim's", which incidently I recently removed from the Cincinnati guide, since it's not that famous and it's actually in Fairfield (Ohio), which is about 30 miles from Cincinnati. They have a site you can check out, but I need to get off the pc now so I can't find it for you. Cheers! -- Sapphire(Talk) • 21:34, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Admin[edit]

It is not my idea to be a admin on pl wikitravel. But, as I know, we have only one admin -Adziura. In this case I'm ready to be a temporary admin on this project. Best regards Pawel Drozd Drozdp discussion

Superpowers[edit]

Thanks for the offer, but I'll just let the human weaknesses of fatigue and boredom rule the day. Actually, sorry I can't help any more at present. I have an appointment. Have fun with the cyber tennis. WindHorse 02:25, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Ok. See you! -- Sapphire(Talk) • 02:26, 19 March 2007 (EDT)


Good morning Andrew,

can't this vandalising IP 202.47.109.103 be blocked completely (and forever) as is Commons or the wikipedias? In case that is helpful, see [12]-- Túrelio 03:46, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

In theory, yes, but we've never resorted to an indefinite block. He was finally blocked for a week, which should hopefully be long enough. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 15:39, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

User:Sapphire[edit]

Hi Andrew... Did you realize you have left your User page blank? BTW, looks like you had some work taking care of the anon vandal. Thanks for your efforts. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 08:57, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I knew. I figured I'd get it later. After a while, I said screw it since more admins were showing up on the site and it was nearly 3 or 4 o'clock. Thanks for the heads up, anyway. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 13:44, 19 March 2007 (EDT)


Union (Maine)[edit]

Yes, I will add some content, but give me a few days. Next weekend would be better, but I may get to it before then. Thanks. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 15:03, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

PR[edit]

You left that sentence a little open ended. Unlike most U.S. territories and states Puerto Rico's drinking age is 18 thus giving Puerto Rico......? lots of drunk kids? -- Fastestdogever 09:02, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Ha. I had copied and pasted that sentence and forgot to edit it. I'll fix it. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 15:34, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Lost in Translation[edit]

"We have the menue in Englisch" — A sign on a restaurant in Munich. If you think this error is funny, then check out the ones on this web site humorously categorized under the heading 'International translation' [13]. Enjoy! WindHorse 05:23, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Ha! I wish I had known about the doctor in Rome when I was trying to get a date in Munich. 8) -- Sapphire(Talk) • 19:32, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
My friend who was fulfilling his civil service requirement at the hostel I was living out of in Munich was checking a few guys into the hostel and kept asking each guy if he wanted to be on top of the bed or on the bottom, which to my ears sounded like... well, you know. I started cracking up and my friend asked me what was so funny. I told him it sounded like he was asking the guys which position they'd prefer. From that day on he always asked them if they wanted the "top bunk or the bottom bunk." -- Sapphire(Talk) • 19:37, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
I guess the receptionist will never make that mistake again. WindHorse 12:38, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
I was thinking about this earlier and I think the cultural barriers/shock is what makes traveling so fun. I remember having a good laugh in Koblenz when my school group was at a cross walk and a sign told blind people to push the button hear the siren indicating when to cross. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 12:42, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Hi[edit]

I've nominated myself for admin, please comment at Administrator nominations

Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 11:31, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

You certainly seem to be very well travelled, judging by your user page here! Good luck with your nomination!
...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) 11:55, 22 March 2007 (EDT)


Gaimhreadhan thanks you for your welcome![edit]

Thank you for your welcome, Andrew!
Tugaim buíochas leat roimh ré as do chabhair...

My first silly question is how do I get my signature to go green? ( <font color="green">

seems ineffective in the signature but seems to work elsewhere...)

I've been lurking for a while and made a few NZ related edits.

I'm teetotal but I'm off to the pub now to see who's there (is it non smoking like in Ireland [grin] ?)...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) 11:55, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Hmm. In your "preferences" what did you type for your signature? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 12:03, 22 March 2007 (EDT)


Wow! Lightning response!
In the Nickname box at "Preferences" [with Raw signatures (without automatic link), checked] I've saved this string:


<br /><font color="green">...[[User:Gaimhreadhan|Gaimhreadhan <small>(kiwiexile at DMOZ)</small>]] • </font>


It may just be that the link colour of blue over-rides my font color attribute of green but thanks in advance for any help you can offer, Andrew
...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) 12:16, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
Ah ha. Type [[User:Gaimhreadhan|<font color="green">Gaimhreadhan <small>(kiwiexile at DMOZ)</small></font>]]. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 12:08, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
Spot on, Andrew!
Thanks for helping me achieve the effect I wanted!
...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) • 12:21, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Trust me[edit]

I came to know about the GFDL/CCSA business when I copied a large piece of text from wp (thinking that it was perfectly legal) to Shimla. Ryan put a copyvio notice and explained to me about the whole stuff, it is still there in my talk archives. Anyway, since all of you don't trust me (and judging by your statements never will), I'll probably quit wikitravel after setting up the hi:wt and giving it a solid base.

It's no good contributing to a project if others don't forgive you for past mistakes. You people still treat me as if I'm a boy who likes to copy-vio stuff and nuke images. (except for Ravi, Tim and Windhorse, that is).

So bye, and could you just come online onto the hi:wt to help sort out the mess. I need an expert's advice for that, and you're v. good with tyemplates and stuff like that. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 02:04, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

I think you misread my comments. I've forgiven the transgression because if we don't then we actually do more harm than good. The reason I'm able to move on is because generally you've been active in and helpful in a lot of fields.
I probably would support the nomination, but the one thing I was most worried about (the last question) was your response to a negative nomination. I.e. if it didn't go the way you wanted to were you going to quit? I've been frustrated about the way some things have gone, but I've never let myself get so frustrated over something to the point where I quit.
When people do that it actually kind of brings more distrust against their name. A certain person, who used to work on Wikitravel gave up over several times over pretty stupid stuff (I won't go into details so to keep his name unknown). Anyhow, he came back several times and would do some things, but his stature went down because he'd quit over ridiculous indifferences he had. Now, he's finally left (presumably for good). The problem I have with his quitting, especially the way he went out was that he all he did was criticize and call people names.
I guess it comes down to this - I don't want you to quit because of a failed nomination. I'll bring up the forgiveandforget philosophy on the nominations page(though not at this moment. Time for sleep). It's likely you could become an administrator one day, even if it's not in two weeks from now. Maybe the best thing to do would be take a wikibreak or relieve frustration in any imaginable way. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 02:35, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

P.S. I'll look at hi: later. (Time for sleep). -- Sapphire(Talk) • 02:35, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

See User talk:WindHorse. same reply for you.

You around[edit]

Just post a message on my talk page if you're online. Gotta discuss something important. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 06:07, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

I think this is spam[edit]

"Rob, dude, I'm seriously getting pretty f***ing tired of this $#!*." Rob?? Rob who?? Who do you assume you are talking to? "Now, let's discuss, without using "CAPS" or anymore profanity." Lets DUDE. Lets start with this ...given some reviews I've been able to find about Coaster's.... Point me towards them...where are they? I keep asking that but you dont reply.....we can understand the others reasons if we have the reasonable relevent information. For example. Dodgy plumbing...Where is that from. Is it one complaint...many...a few?? What?? On what do you base you Coasters reviews on?

"At the moment, all we need are solid facts, nothing more"

If you are suddenly interested in solid facts then I am glad to hear that. Up to now you have been working on anything but. And again I ask what about http://www.travelfish.org/accommodation_profile/cambodia/southern_cambodia/sihanoukville/ochheuteal_beach/all/1231/0?ord=0

Do you want to talk to Don.....contact coasters1@gmail.com

Sapphire[edit]

Please gimme some tips on pigeon watching. There are thousands of them in my neighbourhood. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 07:23, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Well, it's best done on a temperate spring day or a breezy (not windy) summer day. I prefer sitting and if you pick one out of the bunch that's the best way to watch.
The thing that I realized is pigeons, though they're birds, hate to fly. Watch a kid chase a pigeon around and the pigeon won't take flight immediately, which seems contrary to bird nature. Robins will take off as soon as it detects a potential predator, while the pigeon tries, at first, to out run the threat, then when it realizes it's claws weren't made for running it will take flight. Sounds weird, but when you're in a foreign country and don't have a job, school, or anything else to do – it passes the time. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 20:52, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
Good observation! I tried it yesterday eve while doing my hw out in the balcony and two pigeons pooped onto my head. Yuck! Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 07:27, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
That's when you stop watching them and start throwing rocks at them. 8) -- Sapphire(Talk) • 21:10, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
There is an SPCA in India :) Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 07:40, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Puerto Rico CotW[edit]

Hey there! Good idea! Ideally I would've said it shoulda happened a week or two ago to get it ready for you guys, but since it's a bit late, what about pushing it back a week now so it's the CotW when you guys get back and will have time to update, instead of during the trip? Unless you guys all have laptops and are planning on working on it from the road... – cacahuate talk 12:22, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm planning on working from the road the entire time! --Evan 13:25, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
I'm debating about bringing my laptop, but even if I don't I'll be back in the land of connectivity for part of the week. I'd leave in it the queue for next week to possibly garner more help from the community that's not in Puerto Rico (since we moved the CotW away from the main page I haven't contributed to the CotW, simply because I've forgotten about it.) also to tempt others into doing another collaboration confabulation at another time. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 21:09, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Collaboration of the Week
This week I should be helping out on

Cool, I'll leave it then! Have a great time! P.S., since you keep forgetting about CotW, what about adding this to your userpage?  :) – cacahuate talk 23:51, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

And now Mauritius is in the spotlight at long last, you put it up for cotw last year! – cacahuate talk 06:32, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Umm. My name isn't Michelle, unless there's something I don't know about. :o -- Sapphire(Talk) • 13:23, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
Right, I'm gonna put down the crack pipe now... – cacahuate talk 14:17, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Hey[edit]

please rvt my edits on the quickbar template, I thought I was on the hi version! Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 08:52, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Already did. I confuse de: and shared: with en: sometimes. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 09:01, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
Thanks. Good to know I'm not the only guy here who mkes a mess of things. btw, why isn't the hi quickbar working. come onto hi ASAP please. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 09:19, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

prob with the quickbar on hi. see india on hi. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 10:25, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Weird food[edit]

Here's the blog entry I mentioned earlier today:

http://extra.wikitravel.org/blog/jani/reviews_gourmet_snob_weird_food_compendium

And as you can see I'm still perfectly n-n-n-n-n-n-ormal (jpatokal starts foaming at the mouth, then falls off chair as his muscles spasm and a pod of killer mutant baby octopi burst out from his stomach) Jpatokal 23:20, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Should I come upstairs and give you CPR? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 23:25, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Publico[edit]

I guess your edits of Puerto Rico show you made it safely to Fajardo! We leave for Luquillo tomorrow, by a circuitous route, so we'll probably see you tomorrow night. --Evan 17:57, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Good luck and safe return. -- Túrelio 18:09, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Image upload[edit]

hello, i have question. I have images which i want to upload and i got the permission from the author of the images (via email) to use them on wikitravel. Which tag should i use? Thanks in advance. CanadianTraveler 17:49, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

First go to shared:Special:Upload (You may need an account) then select the license the owner licensed the image under. CC-by-SA 1.0 (a.k.a. "Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0") is the standard for Wikitravel. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 18:01, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

San Juan (Puerto Rico)[edit]

Was this an accident? I was removing the hotel. --Jonboy 15:42, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Crap! Sometimes the diffs trip me up... I thought you were reinserting the hotel. Sorry, I've taken the liberty of reverting myself. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 15:53, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

en: for non-native English speakers[edit]

Just noticed your Embassies Part II comment "it's recently been argued that non-English speakers use en: for information and for that reason we should accommodate them where ever" - I'd be interested to read that discussion, where is it? (pls reply here, if you don't mind - thanks) ~ 60.48.6.50 08:40, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Well, it's been noted in several places, but the most recent discussion in which the argument was used was Talk:Saint Petersburg. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 08:56, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
P.S. I actually meant non-native English speakers. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 09:01, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Thanks. I meant the same, have tweaked the heading for this section. Any thoughts on which policy page covers the issue of en: for non-native English speakers? ~ 60.48.6.50 09:11, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
I don't think there is one. The closest thing might be Wikitravel:Spelling as that most directly deals with the preference of which English spelling to use. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:19, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Thanks for your help. ~ 60.51.204.185 09:24, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Welcome test[edit]

Hello! Welcome to Wikitravel.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 20:53, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

Ł÷×ß$ąłżśó[edit]

You know you're in trouble when, in a string of 10 characters, the only one that can be found on a standard English keyboard is $. :) - Todd VerBeek 21:05, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

8) Now I'm fearing how I'll manage to type up my homework for when I move to Poland in September. *shudders* -- Sapphire(Talk) • 21:24, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

Rant[edit]

Hehe. – cacahuate talk 01:36, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

8) I'd much rather go to Afghanistan with you, at least they don't have Rosie O'Donnell. You may have missed it, since you were abroad, but what does it say about the world when two morons (her and Donald Trump) make breaking news on CNN about a fucking cat fight? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 01:41, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
Yep, definitely missed that! Was it their cats fighting? – cacahuate talk 02:27, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Yep, it's pretty pathetic. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 04:42, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Yikes... what scared me even more is this video - Barbara's face is so tight from surgery that she can hardly talk! What's this world coming to???? – cacahuate talk 21:52, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Universal edit button[edit]

interestingcacahuate talk 02:27, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

I saw this earlier and want to see the discussion develop. I don't see the benefits of changing one button, but not the others. Little confusing, but hopefully someone will explain that. That said, I'm not really against the idea. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 04:42, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

alignment[edit]

I want to thank you for letting me have my way on the numeric-alignment issue. It's something that was preached to me at an impressionable age, and something of a pet peeve of mine. Sorry if I got a bit strident about it. - Todd VerBeek 15:07, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Well, it's not that I was 100% opposed to it, because it does look better with the data aligned to the right, but that first cell in each row annoys me. Anyhow, I can swallow it. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 01:34, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Climate[edit]

Template:Climate[edit]

Sapphire, I refactored Template:ClimateCelsius into Template:Climate and modified it some. Feel free to examine it and adopt any parts of it that you like into Template:ClimateCelsius and or Template:ClimateFahrenheit. I did the refactoring to make it easier to read, understand and work with the script and I did it as a separate template because I didn't want to tamper with your work. I'm learning this stuff as I work on it.

  • Wuhan page now shows Template:Climate used with a short description of the climate at the bottom of the info box (inserted via optional parameter 'description').

--Rogerhc 14:32, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

Star nomination[edit]

Care to comment before Ann Arbor is starred? – cacahuate talk 22:47, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

CotW unscheduled nominations are getting a bit thin![edit]

We could do with a few more suggestions for articles that could be future CotWs, so if you know of any please be sure to add them to the list! Thanks -- Tim (writeme!) 07:52, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Wikitravel Bable (Azeri)[edit]

Hey, I tried editing the Azeri bable section, but it isn't showing up.. Sorry for the dumbness, I'm still new to wiki... Cupcakecommander 04:57, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

New search engine[edit]

Andrew, when you get a chance, could you check out the new search engine on review (http://wikitravel.org/review/Special:Search) and give your feedback on shared:Tech:Lucene search? It's the search tool that Wikipedia uses, and I think it's going to be a good upgrade for us. --Evan 12:34, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

troll[edit]

damn you, Brisbane troll! – cacahuate talk 02:01, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Ha ha. I thought I was logged in, but it's probably funnier if I leave it as an anon comment. 8) -- Sapphire(Talk) • 09:44, 13 June 2007

(EDT)

Ohio Lodges and State Parks[edit]

Could you maybe tell me what happened to this travel topic I was working on. Seems to have vanished. 2old 12:46, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

It's still there - Ohio Lodges and State Parks. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 13:13, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Hmmm. It was gone for a while. But, thank you for responding. 2old 13:34, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Can you comment on the VFD for this one since you're an Ohian/Ohioki/Ohiofile/Ohkie... hey, what do you call one who resides in Ohio? – cacahuate talk 01:50, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

Sure. I'll make a comment sometime today. You call someone who lives in Ohio – sane, and that's because were located a safe distance from California, New York, Miami, Texas, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Virginia, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire, Gary (Indiana), Alaska, New Orleans, Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina, Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg, Tampa, Clearwater, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Boston, Memphis, we've got a big lake separating us from Canada, and a River separating us from the nearest Kentuckian (though Kentucky owns the River). Seriously? The answer is Ohioan. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 13:21, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

Local spam blacklist edit summaries[edit]

Hi

Any chance that when you add something new to the blacklist, you could specify the URL(s) in the edit summary? Please please please? Thanks in anticipation. ~ 58.8.5.130 02:05, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

I said I would try to a couple of months back, but I just can't program myself to do it. I'll try to do it again, but I usually just type what I need to, then save without commenting. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 13:25, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

Cincinnati[edit]

Of course, I am happy to help editing this articles, but so far all my edits (on all sections) have been blocked by the spam filter. I cannot find the root cause. Could you take a look? Thanks. WindHorse 23:30, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

I just reverted the problem. The code someone wrote to stop an Indian spammer was also blocking part of a listing on Cincinnati, which effectively stopped any potential editing of the guide. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 23:47, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

Cincinnati[edit]

I'm happy to help, don't at first glance see much that needs doing, but will give it a more detailed look when I get home later. --NJR_ZA 07:35, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Heading to Bangalore?[edit]

Congratulations on your new venture =P Jpatokal 10:05, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Wow, you're good! How did you know that I legally changed my name to Rahul S. Puranik? 8) I might just have to check them out and see if this "Sapphire" should fly on Sapphire Air. --

Hindi admin needed[edit]

Namaste Sapphire ji, can you add [[he:%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%93:Recentchanges]] to hi:MediaWiki:Recentchangestext? Dhanyavad... – cacahuate talk 17:57, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

Done. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 18:17, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

Chinese dam[edit]

You asked on my talk page about this.

Biggest project is Three Gorges Dam http://www.irn.org/programs/threeg/ See Along the Yangtze river for what we have on this.

There are several other projects; I do not have details. Pashley 20:58, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Spam blacklist update[edit]

Hey - it looks like you removed a pattern from the blacklist that has been useful in blocking spam before [14]. That particular pattern is also used in a few of the language files, so there has been some discussion about removing it temporarily while language files are updated. If you're removing it for good can you comment on Wikitravel talk:Local spam blacklist#a href pattern, and if not can you ignore this comment? Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 02:09, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Cincinnati maps[edit]

Hey I finally got a map of Cincinnati's Hyde Park up! Sorry it took so long—I was hoping to get it done before I took off on this week's Appalachian road trip, but ran out of time. Here are links to the SVG and PNG files. I left most of the listings and street names for you to fill in, since I don't know the area personally. Please let me know if you need me to tweak anything or if you would like the satellite base image that I was using. --Peter Talk 15:43, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Wow, it looks good. I do have one request, though. Is it at all possible to get a magnification of the part of Erie Avenue where the road circles around, near Edwards Road? I've been busy a good part of this week and will probably be busy tomorrow reconsidering my academic and lifestyle plans tomorrow since my friend, with whom I am supposed to live with in Poland wants to live in Warsaw rather than Łódź, the city in which we originally planned to live in. Anyhow, I'll see if the current version (without) magnification of that specific area will work as soon as I have time to afford. By the way, I've been considering pursuing a career as a "diplomatic courier" (with the US DoS) once I've got an associates degree. Would you know anything about this job?-- Sapphire(Talk) • 04:27, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

Cool[edit]

Yeah, you guys are cool, but after the confusion I've been causing on the Wikitravel talk:Accommodation listings#Avalanche of hotel listings discussion, I think It's safer not to give me any extra buttons. Who knows what havoc I could create! Ha Ha. WindHorse 04:54, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

Hey, I haven't even read a single thing about that conversation (been busy) and I won't, should you consider the buttons. The wonderful, awe inspiring, magic buttons. ;) Plus, I cause havoc too, mostly just to get certain policies nailed down, even if I don't agree with the argument I'm arguing for! You can team up with me and we'll cause all kinds of wonderful havoc. Then in ten years, when we're at the 11th Annual Wikitravel Collaboration Confabulation (Get-together) hosted in wherever you live, we'll be laughing about the havoc we caused Wikitravel. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 05:23, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
I really appreciate your invitation, but, you know, at the moment I really enjoy editing at WT and hope my efforts can help some traveler, but perhaps part of the fun is that I don't feel any responsibility. Obviously, becoming a volunteer admin is not like accepting a high pressured job at Microsoft, but somehow it changes the atmosphere. Furthermore, later in the year I'm going to be in some very remote regions for several months where there are few places with electricity, let alone internet connections. So, maybe let's think about next year when I am hooked up to the net again. In addition, if we created so much havoc, we might be persona non gratis at the Wikitravel get-togethers. Anyway, take it easy, and I hope Cincinnati can make it to being a star. WindHorse 08:27, 9 July 2007 (EDT)


the Old square in Poznań[edit]

Hello,

Took me 2 weeks to answer your question from my discussion but here it is:

Yes, I did take the incriminated photo and placed it on Polish Wiki under the PD license. It was than re-upploaded by a co-Wikipedian to the WikiCommons with the same license. Don't know the legal stuff so have no idea if any rule was broken by placing it on that site the way they did it. I personally do not care much unless they claim it is their picture.

Regards

Mohylek

Hi, no worries. I forgot that I even asked you. Thanks for the clarification! -- Sapphire(Talk) • 20:38, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

:ru[edit]

Hey Andrew, I realize you are quite busy right now, but if you do get a chance, would you please take a look at ru:Заглавная страница. A quick skim will reveal what I really need help with—anything vaguely technical ;) Could sure use your expertise to help get this project off the ground! --Peter Talk 06:46, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

I wasn't able to email you, as it appears that you have not enabled the email feature on any of the versions I'm registered on. But one thing that is really grating on my nerves is that the direct left toolbox links to wikipedia, dmoz, wikihow, etc. are not working (hence the weird collection of red links at the bottom of ru:Заглавная страница. I have a hunch that being the technical wizard you are, you know how to go about fixing that.
I just remembered that I forgot to answer your question about working as a State Dept Courier. I didn't ever get to meet any of the couriers, so I can't tell you much anything specific to the position, but I do know a fair amount about the general perks of overseas State Dept work. Overseas employees get a good amount of time per year for their vacation and get their vacation travel expenses paid for(!), because it is intended for going home and curing yourself of America-sickness. But a lot of the State employees use the $equivalent of a flight home to take really nice vacations in the opposite direction. One friend of mine in Georgia spent 2-3 weeks in Vanuatu, without having to go into his own savings! And there are a lot of excellent benefits for health care and pensions as well, although we're both still too young to care too much about those things I suppose ;) --Peter Talk 01:46, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
Thanks for the info! I still need an associates degree to even be considered for the position, but seeing as I have a knack for stressful situations I think it might be fun.
I looked at the problem that you were talking about. Unfortunately, that's not something you or I can solve as end-users, however, I did contact the Grand Wizard of MediaWiki and asked him to fix the interwiki programming. I didn't bother with a bug report, but I might do that, if the wizard requests it. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 03:20, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

Picture of Łódź[edit]

Hello! I do not know if this is the right place for such questions, but I will try anyway ;-) I wonder if it is possible to upload these two pictures from Wikitravel to Wikimedia Commons (this and this one). Piotr uploaded them, but he does not seem to be active here right now, so it would be rather difficult to ask him. Is there any policy regarding this? Also, there is no information on the source of the pictures... Wedlowski 13:43, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

Hi, All images uploaded to Wikitravel are licensed under Creative Commons ShareAlike 1.0 per the copyleft. Occasionally, there are some images that violate our copyleft, but we normally do a pretty good job of making sure these images don't stay here very long.
If you need the image licensed under a different license, you can contact Pitor Goldstein using the contact info he has on his website. Do widzenia! -- Sapphire(Talk) • 21:54, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

ifrance[edit]

Try adding iFrance\.com ~ 203.147.0.48 08:01, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

I worked around the http://pornpinghotelchiangmai.com problem by taking out the www ~ 203.147.0.48 08:09, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Seems all I needed to do was purge the site's cache. The thing that sucks about purging the cache is that it takes ~15 minutes for the site to work through it and can sometimes take it offline for a few minutes, especially during peak business hours. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 08:19, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Spring Grove Cemetery[edit]

Can you please respond to my post in the Cincinnati discussion page about Spring Grove Cemetery instead of just deleting it over and over without saying anything? It's a Cincinnati landmark, and other cities like Indianapolis list their famous cemeteries. Not to mention it's also an arboretum.

I've commented on this in the past, but I'll do so again. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:35, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

Translation attribution template[edit]

Hey thanks again for whipping up that template, very useful! One thing I noticed, though, is that it has the IsIn-style problem of requiring underscores for spaces, special symbols to represent parentheses, etc in the link to the original article. Do you know a way around that? If not, no worries. --Peter Talk 13:28, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

It might be possible, but I can't think of any easy solutions. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 13:34, 29 August 2007 (EDT)



Printed travel guides[edit]

Hello Andrew, I hope you have successfully installed yourself in Warsaw. Just wanted to ask you one question concerning policies. I couldn't find anywhere any guideline towards mentioning other existing books or even travel guides that describe the same region as the one of the article. I think it's generally helpful if you can go to library or bookshop and ask precisely for the book concerning the very region you are planning to travel to, however I am afraid it can counter goals of Wiktravel. The reason for my question is that on pl:Wikitravel we have a user of large contribution that keeps adding list of books to country and region articles and he uses to insert additional section ==Preparation== for such purpose (which is not in the article template). Would you consider this as acceptable or not? LukeWestwalker 17:30, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Most, if not all, Wikitravel versions have decided against including such information. However, that's not to say it can't be ever be useful. See Chernobyl#Read. I include this book because I found it fascinating and offered insight into Chernobyl that can't really be found elsewhere. Occasionally, it can be appropriate to include information about some books, but I think it's inappropriate to tell someone to read the Lonely Planet guide to Polska, especially when that book is probably out-of-date.
So, in short, most of the time I would consider it inappropriate. I assume you share that opinion too? By the way, who is this user?
Lastly, I'm not in Warsaw yet, although I will be there in a week. 8) -- Sapphire(Talk) • 18:14, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
Most, if not all, Wikitravel versions have decided against including such information. However, that's not to say it can't be ever be useful. See Chernobyl#Read.
Any page on en, where I could find such decision? So you suggest to include anything like that in the Understand section?
So, in short, most of the time I would consider it inappropriate. I assume you share that opinion too?
Well, I subordinate any opinion to contention that the best is to have a strict, precise but capacious article template ready to accept and organize any content that any weird contributor would like to add in moment of insanity. That's theory only, however currently we are lacking even quarter of that state of article template. Hence my question.
By the way, who is this user?
To me it makes no difference, but here you go. LukeWestwalker 11:37, 31 August 2007 (EDT)


Talk:Books. And here too. Personally I like them, to a very limited extent, and when they are very clearly of great interest and well focused on the destination at hand. Such as Dark Star Safari being mentioned on the Africa article, or A Short Walk in the Hindukush mentioned in the Afghanistan article, etc. Books that are really popular, for good reason, and have to do with the destination. But I'd hate to see it turn into a list of all books related to the destination. I would also say Understand is a good place. We should probably be having this conversation at Talk:Books, it's one that's been needing to happen for a while, but is never very conclusive ;) – cacahuate talk 03:20, 1 September 2007 (EDT)
Thanks - the above directs me exactly to what I was searching for. I'll continue any further on this subject only there. Another general question: Sapphire, you wrote a year ago about adverts. Any page I could find current info on that? Thanks in advance. LukeWestwalker 09:57, 1 September 2007 (EDT)
Nope, not yet. shared:Internet Brands is trying to get an advertising policy out to us, but that may take a while. I'd encourage you to leave a note at shared:Tal:Internet Brands or shared:Talk:Roadmap and someone from IB will likely respond with a more detailed answer than I could give you. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 11:15, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Cleveland[edit]

Hello Sapphire. I noticed you did a lot of the work on Cleveland. I visited there last weekend and shot a few photo's. They will be on wikishared in the next few days (use any you like), as I have time. What would it take to get that article to "star". Enjoy your trip to Warsaw. 2old 11:56, 4 September 2007 (EDT) Moved to bottom. 2old 13:18, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

Hi Mike,
Will do. I'm currently hiding out in the hall of my apartment building using someone else's wifi, so I'll get back to you with a more definitive answer on Monday or Tuesday (Central European Time). ;) Hopefully, we will have internet access then. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 09:49, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
Ok. Take your time and take care. 2old 09:57, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

Last year reminiscence[edit]

Hello again. I don't know what happenned at that time, but there is now. Just one version, but that's to start with. LukeWestwalker 14:02, 13 September 2007 (EDT) PS. Have you met a kanar yet?

Terrific, thanks. By the way, where exactly are you from? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 11:11, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
Wikitravel:List_of_Wikitravellers_by_location#Poland. LukeWestwalker 17:05, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Vienna Christmas Markets[edit]

Why the hell did you remove the Christmas Markets section from the Vienna article? This is a major attraction in the month of December and you will find it in most travel guides. You reasoning that is was "in the wrong section" is simply bizarre. Are you on a quest to make Wikitravel less informative? Please don't go around simply removing stuff before discussing it with people who are more familiar with the city. Freundesstern 05:54, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

You know, that was a little bit ago. I'll have to relook at the edit. In the mean time, since you apparently found the edit would you please link to from this page? Thanks. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 10:56, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

<see>[edit]

Chose to ask you, as you used <see> tag in Srodmiescie some time ago. However I could not find description of the tag (like sleep or do tags) in Wikitravel:Attraction listings. Is See tag not recommended anymore? LukeWestwalker 19:19, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

The <see>, <do>, <eat>, <drink>, <sleep>, and <listing> tags are still very much encouraged. Take a look at Wikitravel:Listings. Kind of peculiar that it's not mentioned in the Wikitravel:Attraction listings, but I guess that's just waiting to be updated. Too bad I don't feel like updating it – kind of late in Poland, as you already know. If you look at the "Eat" section of Srodmiescie you should see a listing for "Red Orange", that would be a good example of how to best implement these listings. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 00:05, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
Updated. Correct if necessary. As you might have guessed I asked about the tag for I was planning to translate into pl the relevant section of Manual of style. And I wonder whether it is possible to translate the "parameter" part of the tag into pl, i.e. to have the tag with the same output but composed from words (eg. see, address, etc.) in local language. This would much simplify its usage for non-Eng speaking contributors. However I am doubtful, as local versions of WT use the tag in English. Any idea who could answer this question? LukeWestwalker 11:24, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
Ok, so there are two responses that I have heard. 1. It's possible to translate the parameters and it's kosher. 2. It's possible to translate the parameters, but we shouldn't because it makes it difficult for some people to "parse" information from. Being a fairly non-technical person, I don't understand much about parsing. The person who has the only (?) and biggest concerns about translating the listings is Jpatokal. Personally, I understand why languages like Polish, Russian, Czech, or Georgian should be allowed to translate the listings, however, I think the parsing issue mainly stems from easing potential problems for projects like Wikitravel Press. I was asked a similar question about translating the listings to Russian and my own opinion is that translations should be allowed to happen, because not everyone understands English and translating will help those casual users to other language versions. For the German language version, we gave up on the idea, which wasn't really a hindrance since the majority of Germans can understand a fair amount of English. If I were you, I'd ask Evan. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 11:37, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
Thank you very much for throwing some light onto the subject. I am pleased and surprised it is technically possible and as I understand your opinion above it would be worth trying. However I assume it should be thoroughly considered. As I need a lot more detailed insight into this matter, I'll come back to it in not far future. Thanks for the moment! LukeWestwalker 18:09, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Burma (Myanmar) Warning[edit]

Sapphire, thanks for making the warning succinct. Just a quick note to explain my use of Burma/Rangoon rather than Myanmar/Yangon in violation of the wikitravel preference. At a time like this, I think it is important to make an exception to the policy in support of the NLD's (National League of Democracy, the Burmese party headed by Daw Aung San Suu Kyi) position on naming. If the protests peter out and the warning disappears, so will Burma. If the protests succeed and the military government disappears, then we'll see what happens. Of course, I've scrupulously included Myanmar/Yangon as alternative names in the warning to avoid all confusion! (Note: The protests continue to be peaceful, it is the government that is being violent. Monks are reciting the metta sutta (aka metta sutra) while being shot at by the junta.)--Wandering 10:24, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Salutations,
This is the reason I am studying International Relations. I hate repressive governments with every fiber of my being (the American in me demands this). If I could, I'd be in Burma alongside the monks. I wanted to be in the Ukraine for its Orange Revolution, which has produced mixed results.
Unfortunately, I wasn't sure what to do with regards Burma/Myanmar. I didn't even know "Myanmar" existed. I have always known the country as Burma and only learned about "Myanmar" when I got redirected to "Myanmar" on Wikitravel. Feel free to substitute the name, if you wish. Also, I know the reports are still of protesters are being peaceful, but the protests now have been threatened with violence, hence the warning about violence and danger. Hopefully, no one will give up the fight and democratic countries will fight for Burma, but I won't hold my breath. If the EU will let Darfur go essentially without challenge, then I don't have much hope for the EU standing up for Burma. Maybe I am unfairly knocking the EU, but I am impressed that President Bush (a President I have rarely agreed with on matters of international relations) declared Darfur "genocide", which is something no other nation has done, if I recall correctly, and he came up with new sanctions against the junta fairly quickly. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 19:12, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

I hope they get rid of the b******s this time. I'm impressed with Bush too, for once he's done the right thing, and done it sooner rather than later. I've been busy calling/emailing my senators and representative on the issue. The military is really shaky this time round, so let's keep our fingers crossed. --Wandering 21:41, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Hi from Upmanyuwikitravel[edit]

You mentioned this on 2old's talk page.

Cincinnati has history, strong artistic and cultural heritage, great food, but most importantly - the Bengals.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what are the Bengals? And why are they so important? Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 07:16, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Your ignorance is forgiven. ;) The Bengals [15] are only the world's greatest sports team, even when they are horrible. Cincinnati#Sports explains a little more as does Wikipedia's article about the Cincinnati Bengals. Also, you can follow their progress for this season on my user page. Who dey! Browns, Steelers, Ravens, and the Patriots (Sorry, OldPine, but my threat still stands about Sunday) suck. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 08:18, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
I've never followed American football. Frankly speaking, I find it ridiculous (sorry Americans :( ) - it isn't football from any angle. Paula Beckwith was quite correct when she described it as the breaking of empty skulls in Man, Woman and Child. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 11:53, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
I my opinion of soccer was quite similar... a sport for people who were too "sissy" to make it in other sports, however, the 2004 Euro Cup changed my mind about the soccer. Football might be the same way for you. It really is quite fascinating and takes a lot more skill than Ms. Beckwith seems to understand. It's about finding the weakness of your opponents and taking advantage of those weaknesses. It could be compared to war because of the intense training and strategic thinking that's involved. I think the idea of the strategic thinking gets lost with people who view football simply as wrestling with a ball involved. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 12:00, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
BENGALS SCHMENGALS! OldPine 12:38, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
But, Bengali's ROCK!!!! Um. or sorta. 2old 13:00, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Browns Browns Browns. That's all I have to say about that :-P -- Ryan • (talk) • 12:53, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, well, why are the Browns called the Browns? Because of the all the pollution from The Mistake On The Lake caused Lake Erie to turn — brown.  ;) -- Sapphire(Talk) • 12:57, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

{{style}}[edit]

Anything specific for correction in Zakopane? LukeWestwalker 18:11, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Not really, it's just a poorly written article. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 18:16, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
For example? Anything pending? LukeWestwalker 18:27, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
Actually, I think it could technically be removed, but we should add a lot more listings and information to the guide. It makes Zakopane sound dull, but that mustn't be the case as a friend of mine recently spent ten days in the town so there has to be something to the town. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 18:35, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
I see. So I'm gonna remove style template as an incomplete article is not an incorrect article. Or? LukeWestwalker 12:07, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Hallowe'en[edit]

Cool that you remembered. (Answer is back on my page). What will you be for Halloween? Do they even do that in Warsaw? OldPine 20:17, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Ha! Great story. Some of our treaters seem amused, others act like nothing is unusual. Another of my online buddies has, at times, set up an elaborate FBI scenario on his fairly remote property, complete with a shooting of the deranged being with pistol blanks. Damn. Is that how the unabomber got started? ;) Best not be wearing any scary masks over there. Someone might drive a stake through your heart. -- OldPine 09:04, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

proposal opinion[edit]

Have you got any opinion on this proposal - templating article sections? Any comment appreciated. LukeWestwalker 13:29, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

I'm sure I have one, but I'll need a couple of days - incredibly busy this week. I'll try to get to as soon as possible and I don't feel overly worn down. Now, for some therapeutic mundane editing. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:00, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Warsaw[edit]

Are you staying in Warsaw permanently, or will you get back to Ohio after a bit. And why've you removed the tequila section on your page, caught the culprit?

The current plan is Warsaw indefinitely, or until time and finances permit. Warsaw is a lovely city (if you know where to look) with women who look as if they are angels. My roommates, especially. Hopefully, they'll read that. ;) Anyhow, I hope to go back to Cincinnati a couple of times, but it's expensive. Cincinnati is home, though. I lucked out with having such a great hometown, even though many people fail so see its treasures. If you're ever in Cincinnati and I'm back home, you'll have to let me know, especially if you're studying in Columbus, but that's probably a while off, right? ;)
No, unfortunately, I didn't catch him. It's likely the person died 300 - 400 years before I was born - wikipedia:Tequila#History, but, if I ever find this persons grave... I want to desecrate it. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 12:38, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
Well, best of luck. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 05:32, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

recent changes text[edit]

Can you go to shared:Tech:Typo in recent changes message and then correct the problem on :de and :hi? Workin towards getting that tech page closed. How's life over yonder? – cacahuate talk 22:49, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

While you're on :hi, can you add :ru to the recentchanges list in the nav bar? Merci – cacahuate talk 17:55, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

Template:ClimateCelsius[edit]

I noticed you reverted a small change I made to this template recently. Not sure if that was intentional, if it was, please let me know if my change caused a problem, if not I would like to add it back. Cape Town is one example why I would like to have the clear:right included in the css. The clear:right will cause the climate box to position itself underneath other boxes and images rather to the left of them. --NJR_ZA 04:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

I don't think that change is what caused the problem. I think it was the change to parser functions that messed up the functionality of the template. Feel free to reinsert it. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 10:51, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
OK, my change is back in. If it does cause any problems, revert and drop me a message --NJR_ZA 14:05, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
I added a comment on Template talk:ClimateFahrenheit#Reverted about this, but Template:If should no longer be used and went through the VFD process. I understand why it was undeleted, but we really should be using the Mediawiki parser functions instead. Can you point me to whatever was broken by #if, and I'll try to fix it? Thanks. -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:35, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
Howdy Ryan, I've commented on Template talk:ClimateFahrenheit#Reverted and there's an example too. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 14:45, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

Article naming unconventions[edit]

I know it's way after the fact but I just noticed... and wanted to commend you on your less-fun-but-sensible renaming... I suppose that's a better name, I guess – cacahuate talk 05:59, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Wait. What am I looking at in that diff? Cheers. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 04:07, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
OH! Haha... I'm a ******* moron. Now, I understand. Yeah, I did rather enjoy the new name, but I didn't want to type so much. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 04:11, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Columbus[edit]

I have suggested a change in Columbus districts, please comment on Columbus discussion page. Hope you are having fun in Poland. 65.24.110.210 16:05, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Wandering admin[edit]

Thanks for the admin upgrade. Love that rollback button (whoosh)! Not sure what other damage an admin can do but (hopefully!) will figure it out!--Wandering 21:47, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks[edit]

Gads ... gettin' old ... when did that happen? And feliz Navidad to you too. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:45, 24 December 2007 (EST)

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