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: I have tried to start a discussion of this message at [[User talk:IBlegal]]. [[User:Pashley|Pashley]] 00:35, 22 August 2012 (EDT)
: I have tried to start a discussion of this message at [[User talk:IBlegal]]. [[User:Pashley|Pashley]] 00:35, 22 August 2012 (EDT)
I will no longer be watching this page, as I have [[User:Peterfitzgerald|left wikitravel.org]]. If other internet tough guys would like to issue juvenile and/or nonsensical "legal threats" at me, please do so via email. For anyone curious what this silliness was about, though, please read Ryan's response to the "IBlegal" threats made against admins here:  [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide#Internet_Brands_issues_legal_threats_for_.22communicating_with_Wikitravel_users.22 here].  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 13:47, 23 August 2012 (EDT)

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I no longer edit here, and will neither be receiving nor answering comments on this page. I edit on Wikimedia projects—find me there.

Climate data

Hi, Peter... I noticed you reverted a change to the D.C. climate data... the same IP user changed NYC, WDW, and NOLA as well; should they be reverted as well? LtPowers 22:28, 10 January 2012 (EST)

Yes, unless they can explain where they are getting their figures, and why we should use them over the NOAA figures. --Peter Talk 22:01, 11 January 2012 (EST)
I didn't see this discussion and actually reverted the anonymous user's changes earlier after leaving a note on User talk: -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:20, 11 January 2012 (EST)

RE: Maryland articles

Hey Peter, thank you for the compliments! I've been pretty busy lately but it would be awesome to help out getting an article up to Destination of the Month status, so I'll see what I can do. :) travelguy101 19:52, 6 February 2012 (EST)

SQL dump access for Evopedia 2012 edition

Peter, I am working with the Evopedia project http://evopedia.info/ to process the yearly wikipedia dumps. If you could provide us with a recent SQL database dump for each language you choose to share we could include wikitravel in our available databases useful to travelers relying on their mobile device as an offline Hitchikers Guide to World. This would of course also be good exposure for Internet Brands. thanks David you can reach me at dj hat personaltelco.net

Very unfortunately, there is no SQL dump available, and our hosting company has refused to provide one (or even discuss it). I will contact you if/when one becomes available. --Peter Talk 10:46, 12 February 2012 (EST)

Bywater Photo

The art you reference is making fun of the Blue Dog art by George Rodrigue. It's a run over Blue Dog meant to poke fun at this artist who made a lot of money selling his Blue Dog folk art. This particular graffiti artist has posted the run over image of the blue dog in many locations. It has nothing to do with being a cat neighborhood. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Cool—I definitely didn't know what it was about. But my caption was fully tongue in cheek! --Peter Talk 17:58, 10 March 2012 (EST)

Help with a districts map

Hi Peter. Nice work on cleaning up Wikitravel:How to draw a map. I thought I'd have a go at districtifying Dhaka, after you'd updated the instructions. I did manage fairly well to transform the OSM map to our standards. But it's still a little messy, mostly because the OSM mapping of Dhaka was quite disorganised. I'm having some issues applying the coloured district shading over the top of the map; I can't get a good level of precision and it always looks wonky or overlapped. Did you want to have a go if you get a chance? I've got another PNG which is a rough outline of where the district borders should be. Let me know if you've got time, and I can post the SVG-in-progress. If not, no problems at all. Thanks, JamesA >talk 08:13, 24 May 2012 (EDT)

Thanks Peter, and no problem about the delay. I'll upload the files somewhere when you're ready. I continually saved the map as I progressed, but will give you the most recent one to work with. JamesA >talk 02:31, 3 June 2012 (EDT)

Edit window resizing

Short edit window

Has anyone else had their edit window become tiny lately? --Peter Talk 18:41, 21 October 2011 (EDT)

It's the same issue as #Preferences Reseting?. Go to User Preferences → Editing and make sure that your "Rows" and "Columns" are something like "25" and "80", respectively. Has happened to me twice in the past three days. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:58, 21 October 2011 (EDT)
But then it will go back to normal without my going into my preferences. Strange. -Peter Talk 19:23, 21 October 2011 (EDT)
Only happens sometimes for me, too... I'm trying to detect a pattern. LtPowers 21:39, 21 October 2011 (EDT)
It has happened many times lately with me. When that happens, the changes list at Recent changes also becomes completely empty. Not sure what it is, but seems like a connection problem? --globe-trotter 04:59, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
This was reported to tech last week. All of this is a result of random preferences resetting -- you can work around it by manually selecting Edit Preferences in your profile. It has been affecting me for the last 2 weeks as well.--IBobi 21:00, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
I still have this problem. Also, the preview function does not work. The Dutch Wikitravel works fine, so I hope this issue could be fixed shortly. --Globe-trotter 00:34, 14 November 2011 (EST)

The above message was swept in from the pub. JamesA >talk 04:14, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

Only new tabs load?

Another bizarre problem: often trying to open a link will result in a never-ending page load (no content accessed). I also have this problem when hitting go on special:recentchanges. But if I open the link in a new window/tab, then it loads promptly. Firefox. And no idea what's going on. Anyone else? --Peter Talk 18:47, 21 October 2011 (EDT)

Man, this site works way better in Accra then in D.C. ... --Peter Talk 02:22, 29 November 2011 (EST)

The above message was swept in from the pub. JamesA >talk 04:14, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

Myer Centre

You know that I was gassed there three times, right?

Didn't realize you were on Wikitravel in those days - thanks for the trip down memory lane :) -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:11, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

I wasn't on wikiatravel, i also got gassed. --14:09, 12 June 2012 (EDT)~

Fork discussion

Peter, while I respect the community's right to discuss in good faith anything constructive pertaining to Wikitravel, I think you can see that the discussion at hand is neither constructive nor in good faith. By discussing a fork -- the results of which, as all concerned know very well, would be highly destructive to the community here -- the discussion itself serves the exact same purpose as allowing its ends to be touted here. Which you and LtPowers have already objected to. It is a backdoor method to attempt to subvert the purpose of this community, and I am removing it again. If you wish to discuss this with me here or offline I am open to it. If you need me to explain further my reasoning, I can. But I think you can see it plain as day.--IBobi 17:27, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

Since you keep edit warring, and violating site policy by removing my objecting comments(!), it will be clear to no one that anyone other than IB thinks that it would be improper to promote the potential Wikimedia fork here, or that there are appropriate venues elsewhere. In any rate, let's keep this discussion in one place. --Peter Talk 17:58, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
Jani has continued to post inappropriate links to the competing fork discussion, and has now added one to his personal blog at http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Travellers%27_pub#Moving_to_Wikimedia. I'd like to remove those 3 links. Will you support?--IBobi talk email 13:37, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
I'm currently at the Wikimania conference along with other people involved with the current proposal, along with members of the WMF, and a representative from IB. We have had some really productive meetings, but I must say that the notion of censorship on Wikitravel has come up numerous times, and is casting your company in a bad light, provoking a lot more support for this proposal (which is still just a proposal) than I think it would have otherwise received. I understand if you don't trust that I'm trying to give you legitimate advice, but please understand that I care about what goes on here just as much as I do about what goes on with the WMF proposal, and the quality of this site will depend on IB's response to ongoing events.
I'm in agreement with the position of other contributors here who are leery of using Wikitravel (outside our personal pages) as a platform for extended discussion of other projects, but am not interested in abetting outright censorship. --Peter Talk 17:36, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
If jpatokal and other admins were discussing ways to sabotage the servers upon which this site runs, would you also be in favor of simply sitting back and allowing them to formulate a plan? There is no policy against that. It has to do with this site, and other admins would be involved. Where's the line? Hiding behind what is written consensus policy and what is not just becomes ludicrous at some point. We're past that point.--IBobi talk email 17:48, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
They are not doing that. A project fork is something that we have always recognized as an option when people don't think things are going well here. It is absolutely portrayed as a last resort, of course, but trying to hide that it is happening now is not, I think, useful for anyone involved. At Wikitravel:How to handle unwanted edits#Project fork, our policy states: If possible, it would be nice to make forks "friendly" -- understanding that people may see things in different ways, or may want to get to our goals by different paths. It's better for our project to have Fellow Travellers than rivals. While the gulf remains pretty huge between IB and the Wikitravel community, and it may turn out to be unbridgeable, having a mature discussion about it is useful anyway, and I'm happy to say that User:Evan and I have been having very productive discussions with Chuck, IB's CMO, at Wikimania about what went wrong, what people are thinking and planning, and what, if any, common ground we can find to work with.
Multiple people I have never met or spoke with before, and who have not previously been Wikitravel editors have pointed to your attempted removal of others' posts as the number one thing that signaled that they should get involved in helping a fork get going in my discussions with other Wikimania attendees. I really think it's bad for our community here, it's bad for any potential future for any community of volunteers at this site, and it's bad for you and your company to try and cover this type of thing up. Say things fall out completely, and we all leave, and Wikitravel the domain goes nowhere. The best thing that IB could salvage out of that would at least be an understanding of what went wrong and how to prevent it in the future. My answers to that would be pro-active involvement in the community project itself—editing articles, taking part in policy discussions, being "one of us", being more open in discussions about governance, and obviously taking tech support seriously. Or you can clamp down, ignore the cultural problems that led to a fork proposal, further alienate people here and people in the future on other projects, and miss an opportunity for growth of the not-directly-related-to-revenue-generation variety. --Peter Talk 18:18, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
Thanks Peter. I'm glad you had time to meet with Chuck. I know you're aware that neither I nor anyone at IB has even attempted to censor any editorial content or even discussion, other than this issue, in my time here. I wish you'd make that clear when discussing things with them. This issue is unique and I think you and others have a clear conflict of interest in both supporting the WMF fork and allowing the potentially destructive -- and demonstrably inappropriate/in poor taste -- fork discussion to take place on this site. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.--IBobi talk email 19:23, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
Keep in mind that in open-software circles, a fork is often considered healthy for both sides. When a fork occurs, it's due to a split in the community; after the fork, both the old and the new have a chance to develop the product in the way they feel best. This frees the contributors from acrimonious discussion and allows them to get back to creating great things. LtPowers 19:32, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
I would also like to assure you that I am not at all going around bashing IB, and do my best to portray things as objectively and accurately as possible—if I want to go negative and bash people, I'll do it to their face ;P. On the contrary, I want to move past discussions of the past when they come up, and to focus on what positive things can come out of a potential future with the WMF, above all establishing community control of data and tech support, attracting contributors alienated by perceived commercialization, and the re-uniting of the fractured pieces (Wikitravel, Wikia Travel, and Wikivoyage) of a movement with one goal: "to create a free, complete, up-to-date, and reliable worldwide travel guide" that anyone can edit and re-use. --Peter Talk 19:41, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

Vandalism on fr:

It looks like you're an admin on French Wikitravel - would you mind cleaning up after fr:Spécial:Contributions/ He's hit several language versions with mostly harmless vandalism (and has been blocked on several language versions), but it would be nice to have clean content. Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:34, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

This should be something I should be able to do in a couple minutes at most, but it's taking forever to load the damn delete pages. I get this often when I send a lot of rapid requests to Wikitravel (usually opening background tabs from recent changes). Is that a deliberate thing on IB's part? --Peter Talk 02:28, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
And another joker added a spam link to every country page on the site. I should be able to undo that with one click, but instead, I have to click all 130 or so rollback links, and w a a a i i i i t t for them to load
Thanks! We've got a handful of language versions that have been greatly neglected - fi is another, and I don't think it has an active admin. As to performance, I think User:IBobi said some new caching thing was being put in place today that may or may not help. -- Ryan • (talk) • 11:22, 9 July 2012 (EDT)

Yep -- cacheing change is in effect. I put a note in the Shared Pub. Site speed should slowly build back up to and then exceed last week's performance, and most upgrade bugs should already be resolved.--IBobi 18:49, 9 July 2012 (EDT)

Every time I think we should just shut down editing, I see that we have contributions ongoing like this one [1] — huge amounts of original content! --Peter Talk 14:25, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
One additional request - can you delete fr:Fichier:Morocco Trips, Marrakech Tours, Fes Trips, Morocco Camel ride, Camel Trekking Morocco, Marrakech Camel Treks, Marrakech to Fes desert tours, Fes to Marrakech desert tours, tailor made Tours Morocco, 3 days, 4days, 5, days Tours a.JPG? It's an ad (ya think?), and the long filename is problematic. Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:45, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
What a cool photo, though—almost a shame to delete it. But... I don't have time for this, so it's gone ;) --Peter Talk 17:31, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:03, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

Russia stuff

Nice work with the formalising of Russia stuff. My Russian is pretty poor, but I wrote most of the RFE articles originally, plus the Kolyma Highway article. I would be happy to help out with whatever else my expertise can stretch to, though if you're able to tap the domestic traveller info, you're probably already way ahead. Kcharles 18:07, 18 July 2012 (EDT)

Vatican City


Please do not just erase useful information in an article. If you want to contribute, please do so without deleting.

Magamma —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magamma (talkcontribs)

I don't really understand your comment. The only work of yours that I deleted was "which opperates from The Vatican City," which had syntactical, spelling, and grammatical problems, and is redundant with earlier mentions in the article. Also, you can sign your talk page comments by typing four tildes (~~~~). If you don't have tildes on your keyboard, you can click the link next to "Sign your name" below the edit window --Peter Talk 00:47, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

Sanliurfa Page/ Abraham's Path

Hi there You keep undoing my addition of AP to the Sanliurfa page under 'do'. I represent the Path in Turkey. It is a walkway like the Pennine Way or the Lycian Way or the Way of St. James. It is a cultural route and not a trek sold by village home stays. It exists as a separate entity from village home stays, and it will exist long after village home stays has bitten the dust. I happen to be the spokesperson for Village Home Stays (I am its creator, but I don't own it, I just act as an intermediary between foreign visitors and village home owners)and also the representative in Turkey of the cultural trekking route: Abraham's Path. The Path stretches from Sanliurfa to Hebron, and I organize the Turkish bit (way marking, mapping, planning walks for people etc). So, Abraham's Path and Village Home Stays are not a double listing. One is a walk which is open to the public, like the Pennine Way; one is accommodation. I happen to represent both of them. Please see the international site at www.abrahampath.org and also the Turkey Culture Routes site at www.culturetroutesinturkey.com. Many of the routes on that site are represented on Wikitravel, so why not Abraham's Path? Abraham's Path has NOTHING to do with Village home stays except for the fact that I represent both of them, and Village Home Stays is on the Path, but then so are all of the other accommodations listed on the page. i.e. you can walk along AP in Turkey and stay at village home stays or the Hotel Arte or the Aslan Konuk Evi etc.

Thanks for reviewing Halen Belgium


thank you for reviewing my page called Halen :) I updated a lot more today however some troubles maybe you can help as you are very active over here :)

- first problem ... in the Halen page it says Netherlands ... that is incorrect is should be Belgium Flanders region. - When I want to upload images in wilitravel share it gives me a mimetype error ... I use .jpg saved with irfanview. Also tried gimp still same error. Do you have any idea how to solve this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HaerdenC (talkcontribs)

Whoops! I was a little careless with that breadcrumb! If you are interested in how to set up the breadcrumb trail at the top of the article, it is controlled by the tag at the bottom that looks like {{IsPartOf|Limburg (Belgium)}}. It's fixed now, though.
I don't know what's going wrong with the image upload, but if you continue to experience the mimetype error, would you please create a bug report, so the tech team can review it. Following our upgrade to a newer MediaWiki version in June we have had a very large number of severe tech issues, which unfortunately seem to increase in severity over time... --Peter Talk 10:47, 10 August 2012 (EDT)

Notice from IBlegal

Please be advised your recent actions communicating directly with members of Wikitravel could put you in violation of numerous federal and state laws. We strongly urge you to cease and desist all action detrimental to Wikitravel.org. If you persist in this course of conduct, you will potentially be a named defendant, and therefore liable for any and all resulting damages.--IBlegal 14:51, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

I have tried to start a discussion of this message at User talk:IBlegal. Pashley 00:35, 22 August 2012 (EDT)

I will no longer be watching this page, as I have left wikitravel.org. If other internet tough guys would like to issue juvenile and/or nonsensical "legal threats" at me, please do so via email. For anyone curious what this silliness was about, though, please read Ryan's response to the "IBlegal" threats made against admins here: here. --Peter Talk 13:47, 23 August 2012 (EDT)