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Hello LtPowers! Welcome to Wikitravel.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

That's the standard welcome; you might also want to check out Wikitravel:Welcome, Wikipedians (if you haven't already), which highlights Wikitravel's idiosyncrasies. Thanks much for the comments (and especially the map!) at Talk:New York (state)#Regions again—sorry I missed your comment earlier, I've now responded. --Peter Talk 20:04, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

New York regions

Thanks again for all the help with that! It's nice to see a new talented contributor pop up—I hope you stick around. --Peter Talk 04:51, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Reducing lists to 9

With regards to removing Penn Yan, I thought you might be interested in this discussion, where the consensus was to allow longer lists if the article hasn't actually been subdivided yet. Not that you were in error—like you said, that didn't even have an article yet. --Peter Talk 04:40, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

And to allow longer lists if the region article shouldn't be sub-divided :) – cacahuate talk 21:11, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Walt Disney World Resort

In view of our policy, I'm wondering why you added the links to the guides in this article. -- OldPine 12:01, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

I guess it works for that subsection, but I don't like the listing of other guides (my objection was not based on their being secondary or worse) as they are specifically listed under things not to link to. I agree that this article might be a special case, but I fear it might start the slippery slope. If Fodor's guide to say, Napa Valley (or any number of other complex destinations where it's probably true), is better than ours, should we link to that, too? OldPine 13:11, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Relevant → User talk:DenisYurkin/Paper travel guidescacahuate talk 11:50, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Wikitravel:Administrator nominations

Hey, I nominated you for sysop status, please leave a comment indicating whether you are willing to accept! There are no requirements whatsoever, save logging in something like every 3 months. Feel free to mull it over too—we'll leave the nomination up at least 14 days anyway. --Peter Talk 17:53, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Delete Be Smart When It Comes To Disney World

I cut and pasted information from this page into the Walt Disney World resort page. That page can be deleted now. —The preceding comment was added by 70.232.35.201 (talkcontribs) .

Admin

I just changed your status on Wikitravel from nothing to "sysop" per the nomination. Congrats and thanks for taking on the extra responsibility. If you have any questions, as always, feel free to ask. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 09:28, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Florida Map

I few of us really like your Florida map with the cities and points of interest, and would like to use it on the main Florida page. One comment though was that some think the Southwest Florida area is a little empty, can you consider adding Fort Myers to that map, then it would be perfect for the main page. Thank you in advance.Jtesla16 10:13, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Florida Disagreement

I noticed Gamweb has complained about you deleting things in the past, and him and I are getting into much the same argument. My opinion is that he is dumping information from wikipedia and the yellowpages here. Some of our argument points are Lakeland#Eat, Ormond_Beach#Cope, and Florida#Learn. I think this information is not useful to a traveler and does not belong here, and therefore have been removing it. Am I out of line here?Jtesla16 11:35, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Another user has already cleaned up the Lakeland eat and removed the Florida learn sections. Hopefully that builds consensus for my case.Jtesla16 12:04, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Star nomination for Walt Disney World

Hi there! As you've probably already seen, we've all made nice progress on the Walt Disney World article, and I even nominated it for Star status. Unfortunately, the discussion has been rather negative, and I've reached a point where I can no longer comprehend what is expected of a Star article. I also noticed that the discussion is dominated by no more than three other users. Since you are a docent can you add your thoughts? I'm sure it would help a lot. Thanks!

User:Jonathan_784 9/16/08 10:40 PM CDT

Just added a new infobox to the article about a new resort opening in 2009. User:Jonathan_784 9/23/08 6:30 PM CDT

I have just re-started the Star nomination discussion. Jonathan 784 10:28, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Walt Disney World redirect problem

HI! There seems to be a problem with the redirect of the Walt Disney World article. See for yourself:

Can you figure out what's wrong? Jonathan 784 20:40, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

New infobox

Hi there! Just added a new infobox to Walt Disney World#Get out. But I'm not sure if my writing is precisely clear, so please add more to it if you can. :) Jonathan 784 15:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

What would you say about adding this image to the Get out section? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Buzz_Lightyear_at_the_Kennedy_Space_Center.jpg After all, the phrase "To Orlando ... and beyond" comes from Buzz Lightyear's catchphrase. Furthermore, this NASA-created image, created for a public awareness campaign, is not copyrighted. Jonathan 784 12:58, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

New changes to Walt Disney World

An anonymous user just made 4 alterations to the article - please check them for accuracy. Also, did you know that I added more to the Star discussion? Jonathan 784 11:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your contributions!

Thanks for your work in Edmonton/West End. I hope you are learning lots about Edmonton Metro! Have a great day:>!!!!! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 15:09, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

image

to bring this from TALK:EDMONTON i wanted to make sure i edited my pictures. i put taken on _______ by edmontonenthusiast. check my image. thanks! keep smiling, ee talk 21:18, 7 November 2008 (EST).

AnonUser

Why'd you unblock that user? He(she) vandalised multiple articles with inapporpriate words. I don't get it. He deserves a ban! Keep smiling, ee talk 21:00, 12 November 2008 (EST).

Just an FYI, the blocking policy has been relaxed somewhat over time - if a user is moving pages, abusing others, or being a persistent nuisance then a short block seems to be OK. As an example, there's a guy who logs on from Canada on a weekly basis and changes pages for a few hours unless someone puts a block on the IP, so blocking isn't ENTIRELY bad. But it's generally only used to stop someone who is being a persistent problem, so if the user goes away there's no need to use a block unless they come back. I'm sure there are talk pages where this has been worked out, but that seems to be the current consensus. -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:18, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Edm

Could you check Talk:Edmonton and Talk:Edmonton/Central for me, I would love your feedback (and anyone else who is lookin) on the sections at the bottom. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:34, 23 November 2008 (EST).

Help

Could you help in this/this situation? It is a little over whelming. I think it's an edit war. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:43, 25 November 2008 (EST).

Thanks

Thanks for your fabulous imput on my talk page about the situation. You are a real help and I am glad you were calm. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 10:09, 27 November 2008 (EST).

Gallgaher

Hey LT, I was wondering if youd be interested in checking out the Edmonton page as I uploaded a new skyline photo. I don't know if it is any good, I used some effects on it and I would love your input. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:14, 28 November 2008 (EST).

So there isnt any confusion Image:EdmontonGallagher.JPG edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:20, 29 November 2008 (EST).

Judean Desert‎

Hi. Just wanting to see advice on what's going on over the vfd on this article...

It has been nominated for understandable reasons. However, the page creator has rebutted this and is removing the vfd tag from the page concerned. I've tried explaining that there is policy governing deletion nominations.

Just want to make sure am not being too heavy handed. I'm going to step back from it now as I don't want to get into a major argument, and I feel it may be best for an admin(s) to make some sort of decision, give advice, etc.

Thanks, Nrms 10:30, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Merry Christmas

Hi Lt! I just wanted to give you a Merry Christmas and I hope your day is good. I really do want to thank you for the support, opinions, and helping me find the rules on the site. All the best to you in the New Year. Happy holidays, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:41, 25 December 2008 (EST).

Route icons

Hi there! Merry Christmas and stuff! Glad to see you are plunging forward with the routeboxes! When you upload a new icon, please do us the favor of adding it to the list page at Wikitravel:Route icons so that others can locate it easily. I went ahead and added the two images you just uploaded to it, so don't worry about that. Also I just noticed on your Shared gallery page what great mapwork you are doing. Super spiffy! Keep it up! Texugo 13:52, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Ripley, England?

Hi, I know that you ment well, but the page I created on Ripley, was about a small town in Bruce County, Ontario, Canada. In other words, not England. I'm new, but I'll try and figure out how to change it back, or change it to "Ripley (Canada)". If it isn't changed when you see it next, change it for me please? Thanks. Ripley 23:09, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Most recent Walt Disney World edit

Hi! Just adjusted the article because some of the URL's were broken and redirected to the main page of the official WDW website. You might be interested in my addition to the Buy section. :) Jonathan 784 23:56, 5 January 2009 (EST)

peter

Lt, can you please tell Peter to not revert my user talk page. It is my page and I can do with it what I please. Or is there a reason? Could you help? Maybe investigate please. Thankyou. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:04, 6 January 2009 (EST).

I also dont get why him and Cacahuate always delete my comments on their pages. It is rude and I dont do it to them. i just dont get it anymore. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:26, 8 January 2009 (EST).
To be very clear, I won't remove your comment from my talk page or anywhere else, provided they do not request information that has already been given to you (many times), are not disruptive to an ongoing conversation, and are not abusive. You can comment however you like on your talk page—that is a consensus we achieved at Wikitravel talk:How to handle unwanted edits. I consider much of your talk page involvement to simply be attention seeking and/or abuse, and will revert accordingly. --Peter Talk 16:44, 8 January 2009 (EST)
What is with you and abuse? I haven't abused you at all so I dont get your deal. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:46, 8 January 2009 (EST).
I believe by "abusive", Peter meant rude and incivil. Which, unfortunately, you have been on occasion. You will do best by working on your areas of expertise while observing the way the community operates without your participation, and learning from that observation. LtPowers 18:48, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Well I am not being incivil but honestly I may be rude, but he is even more rude. He is the one that aggravates me to rudeness. If he means that by abusive, then he should try different words because that is a bad interpreation as it is not at all what I am doing. One that can drive me nuts surely can come up with a better word.
You and only you are responsible for your actions. Displaying magnanimity when faced with adversity is a virtue you would do well to cultivate. LtPowers 22:02, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Wrong Peter is responsible for my actions. Why is it that he doesn't get talking to when he reverts edits on his talk page when they aren't abusive but when I do it's a case? Why is it that when he aggravates me and pushes me off the cliff, no one tells him to tone down? Why why why why why? I haven't got a clue. Probably because you all want him here because he did a lot on the site - and that's sad. In any rate, like I have said from the start, I mean absolutely no harm, and if it comes this sites way due to me I appologise as it was probably a my bad, but this Peter crap NEEDS to be resolved and people needa realise that it isn't just me. Also take into account how unwelcoming this site has been to someone who is new, and stuff. Literally, all this crap has made me loose motivation to even contribute to this site. There is no motivation because there is no reason to me right now. It's not worth it really. That's why all the stuff you see from me really is discussions and not articles, and even at that it is very little. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:09, 8 January 2009 (EST).
Right, this stops now. Peter is not responsible for your actions. I don't care how much he provokes you, it is your responsibility, and yours only, to react in a calm and civil manner. Period. If you can't do that, then you don't have much of a future on this site, because right now you are irreparably damaging your reputation. I can't emphasize enough that you are on extremely thin ice. You don't take constructive criticism well, and you don't demonstrate an understanding of the consequences of your actions. You promised to stay out of contentious conversations and just focus on editing travel guides, but you haven't done that. Dealing with you has occupied an inordinate amount of time for me and several other people on this site.
Do you want to know why Peter reverts your edits so often? It's because it's quicker than explaining something to you over and over and over again. I personally would not do that, and have not, but these longtime editors don't want to deal with interpersonal problems on Wikitravel; they just want to write travel guides. Your behavior obstructs that goal, by requiring a lot of attention, and that's why people are upset with you.
I will reiterate what I said above: You will do best by working on your areas of expertise while observing the way the community operates without your participation, and learning from that observation. You must ignore any conversation that doesn't directly deal with editing travel guides. You must ignore Peter no matter what he does. You must not participate in policy discussions. I am not imposing these restrictions on you; I am merely outlining what steps I think you are going to have to take to have any chance of avoiding being banned.
I will copy this post to you talk page to make sure you see it. -- LtPowers 09:01, 9 January 2009 (EST)

If I may also interject, EE, occasionally I have to just ignore things on Wikitravel. It's called a wikibreak and sometimes they're needed -- just stop working on things and get your bearing about you and start contributing when you want to again. It doesn't have to be an all out vacation or break, but, if you feel like you're getting to your wits' ends, simply do not focus on perpetuating the issues that you and Peter have been having. Simply take a few steps back, focus on contributing to guides and that's it. Do, however, realize that you shouldn't disregard advice from the community -- we're all here to see a free, open source travel guide that's useful take root and better the world for travelers and the community provides you with advice, because we all want to be successful in the project. I recommend that you listen to LT and focus on your areas of expertise and letting the conflict simmer down so that everyone around can take a step back and analyze the situation from a not-so-heated perspective. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 11:27, 9 January 2009 (EST)

LT

LT, which branch? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 11:46, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Starfleet. LtPowers 12:59, 9 January 2009 (EST)

why did peter delete this?

Because this involves me, I do want to add my side to this. Quite frankly, Cacahuate, Nrms is right, but he leaves you out. You and Peter are truly the only culprates to not helping this and I agree with him in that you two step aside to people who will deal with me in a proper way. If you feel I should be banned, discuss it with another admin,okay? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:48, 10 January 2009 (EST).

Why would Peter delete that, see the last thing on Peter's talk page to see. I just don't get it and it is getting quite arrogant. It seems he doesn't even read it, just deletes. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:53, 10 January 2009 (EST).

Peter deleted it because he doesn't want to deal with you anymore, and he doesn't want your comments on his talk page. I suggest respecting his wishes. LtPowers 22:43, 10 January 2009 (EST)
What a jerk! He should be being more open minded about stuff. I do not care if what I said was rude, I'm sorry, we do not live in a sugar coated word and what Peter is doing is just plain rude. I have been more than nice to him in the past and whatnot. I have been mean to him aswell, but only in comment to what he has done. Whatever I am done with this stupid website I think. There is too much drama that it's not even worth writing stupid travel guides anymore. Nobody on here can even see where I am coming from, and use that same old harsh tone with me and whatnot (a few exceptions) but immideatly jumps to Peter on it. I am sick of being the 1 dude army against millions. I also can't believe how when matters are discussing me, for some damn stupid reason I am not allowed to join in? Well then don't talk to me. When it is talking about me - at least allow me to participate. I am done with this website I think, and I would like all discussion on me put to a halt, or discussed in my talk page. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 11:26, 11 January 2009 (EST).
I don't even know where to begin. Read your third sentence again and see if you can figure out the problem. LtPowers 15:35, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Thanks for the "help" and I read that sentance.
You say you don't care if you were rude, then complain that Peter was rude. That's called a double-standard. You might want to take a look at the role your behavior has played in this debacle. LtPowers 19:41, 11 January 2009 (EST)
I don't even know where to begin with you. I guess I have to spell it out...*clear throat*...I t-h-i-n-k t-h-i-s h-a-s g-o-n-e t-o f-a-r t-h-a-t I d-o-n-'-t e-v-e-n c-a-r-e i-f I w-a-s r-u-d-e. Do you not ever have that in real life, where whatever it was has amounted to something so big you don't even care anymore or forgot the original idea? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:52, 11 January 2009 (EST).
What I am suggesting is that you may be too quick to reach that point. And even when you do reach that point, the better course of action is to take a step back and take a break from the site, rather than get angry and lash out. Because getting angry and lashing out results in further animosity, which feeds further anger on your part, and it all spirals down into the current debacle. Someone has to break that cycle. LtPowers 08:19, 12 January 2009 (EST)

New Walt Disney World edit

Hi! An anonymous user recently contibuted this:

Write down your child's name and your name, resort and cell phone number on a 3 x 5 inch index card, and place the card in your child's pocket. (If your child is a member of MedicAlert or an equivalent organization, that information should also be included on the card as well, or s/he should always be sure to wear his/her ID tag.) Instruct your child to show the card to a Cast Member (a Disney employee) in the event that you get separated. If you lose your child, notify a Cast Member immediately. Cast Members in either situation are instructed to stay with the child or parent(s) in the area where the seperation was reported was made for 10-15 minutes. After that time, both parties are brought to the Baby Care centre in that park. If the party is not reunited at that time, Cast Members will send out a message via radio for all Cast Members to be on the lookout for the child. If your child goes on a ride on his/her own, make sure you know where the ride's exit is. Arrange a place to meet with all members of your party if you become separated. Note: Try not to make your meeting place something that is too obvious, such as in front of Cinderella Castle. Crowding is likely to occur at these places.

This paragraph is bulky. How should we "fix" it? Jonathan 784 23:50, 27 January 2009 (EST)

EEarchive

Why am I even bothering talking to you, you probably don't want to "deal" with me? Probably cause you are the only person on this horrible website I can think of. Maybe I can explain it to you? I have been, lets face it, cyber bullied on this website so much that the people on here don't even care how I feel about it. I would never hurt anyone on here to the amount that they have done to me. They are jerks. I don't care, I am pointing out these jerks, Ryan, Peter, and worst is 2old. My my do I hate 2old. He has only ever commented on me in a mean way, yet he never gets a "stern" talking to, just me. You know, when I "left" this website, I said to myself, I'd come back to do 1 thing, and that was to get rid of the EEarchive. Towards the later part of the month, I thought I'd give the site one last chance, which has proven bad thinking on my part. Bottom line, I just think people don't like me here at all, and just try to bug the crap out of me, and do it in ways so that the community will side with them. Now, I contributed a bit, but I still want my EEarchive deleted. I made a very very generous compromise that it be kept, just the names be taken out, as the names aren't necessary. You guys obviously don't get it. You guys run with no emotion, and could care less (maybe not you specifically, but the site overall)about any persons feelings. You guys don't see how humiliating it would be to point someone new to the site who is questioning the rules to my "archive", I'd feel like an idiot. I'd feel like the laughing stock. I could care less if it is good reference, when people feelings are involved, that shouldn't matter. Peter should not victimize me like this, but yet he gets away with nothing, what, cause he's the top of this website? What a pile of crap. Now I just want my archive deleted, or my compromise made, and I just want to leave this site forever. But, in a sense, I still want to stay cause it can be fun making travel guides, but it hasn't been fun in months. I took the break, I am a lot calmer about everything, but it seems nobody else took the break as a time to think, and rethink. I am here now strictly to finish off the EEarchive, and nothing more now. Unless there is a real big, sudden change in the attitude of this website, once the EEarchive thing is resolved, in some way, and I know I don't need to worry about it anymore, I'll be gone. No need to deal with me or anything. Although I will pop back from time to time to make sure whatever is resolved through the EEarchive is kept going. I would also let you know I'd never ever make someone on this website cry or get shaky when they log into this site, like people such as Peter Fitzgerald have. I think I have been more than fair in everything especially considering everything that's happened. I admit I haven't been so rosy great in the past on this website, I know, Look at that stupid EEarchive. But, you will notice I appologize each time, and if I haven't then I'm sorry, cause I am sorry for all the wrong I've done here, but none of you can do the same in return? I've had people, like Shaund, who I thought were so nice and would stick up for me, actually go against me, PerryPlanet is another perfect example, as is Sertmann. I've been called a troll, which is most insulting, and I hate people thinking I'm something I'm not like that. I hate being labelled those things, I'd never label Peter or you a troll, so why me? What because I talk? So what, communication is key. I could care less if Sertmann says for me to shut up, I like to talk, whupee. So I have feelings. What, I don't disregard peoples feelings? No, I think feelings come first, otherwise you keep everything bottled up and really hurt people sometimes. What am I doing ranting this all to you? Well, Lt, I just wanted some advice on what to do, I hope that's okay. As I'd say, Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 14:54, 28 February 2009 (EST).

Boracay

If you have some time to work on a Boracay map before next DoTM month change, please check my comments here. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 16:57, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

news

so simple yet so powerful... i fidgeted with it for 15 min and gave up in shame.... nice work – cacahuate talk 16:33, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Non-Stop Flights

Doh! Just learning. I'll work on using the actual city name. Thanks —The preceding comment was added by DavidG (talkcontribs) .

WDW map

Hey, would you mind uploading your SVG for the Epcot map—I'd like to play around with it a bit. --Peter Talk 16:45, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Please inform me before editing my page please

Don't edit my page please, or at least not without informing me first, thanks. Claire1223 16:03, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Re: Sleep price ranges

I reset the lower price range to $0 on two of those price range boxes because I noticed that the previous one, "$82", didn't fit with some of the listings that listed "$80" as the base price. That's when it struck me that those boxes usually use "zero-to-___" or "less than ___" for the budget listings. See any of the San Francisco districts for examples. Admittedly, "under $148" is probably a better way of putting it than "$0-$148", but I was in a hurry and just slapped in "$0".

As for why I removed the Magic Kingdom one, it was because it really didn't fit what the listings said. I think the mid-range said something like "$150-$225", even though the actual mid-range listings had prices of $250 or more. I could have changed the numbers, but I thought it would be best not to dictate a system I don't understand, so I figured removing the box would be the best option until someone who had a better grasp of the situation could put down some useful numbers to classify what's really mid-range and what's splurge at Magic Kingdom. PerryPlanet Talk 16:17, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Gamweb

I'm pretty sure that was Gamweb, since I know there were some unpleasantness that basically led him to stop contributing here. (And I assume nli = not logged in.) But since it was an anon ip, we cannot be sure that it was him, so I'm going to revert and leave him a message. --Peter Talk 13:46, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Humor & Pith..

Hi - For every attempt at humor there is always someone out there that doesn't get it - hey? I've just had a go at clarifying the what you can see from which side section of the article. I certainly don't wish to discourage light-heartedness in articles. Hate to be the Wikitravel scrooge. If you think its just me that doesn't get it, feel free to revert, or if you want to have another shot, my humor-meter is always available to you. --Inas 21:13, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

The new text is definately clear, and I think (hope!) it still read in a lively way.
On a more general theme, I've been giving some thought to lively writing within a wiki framework, with this discussion, and the discussion in DC, and I might continue this dicsssion and the DC discussion at Wikitravel:Tone --inas 18:32, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

Hey

Hi Lt, I thought I'd let you know I'm back. But don't worry, I'm only popping in from time to time, and am not getting involved in site politics. Mostly article stuff, although I have done one nomination over on the DotM and what not but otherwise yeah. Thanks for sticking up for me in the past and trying to sort through the previous drama(s). edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:09, 15 May 2009 (EDT).

rpy

Hi! What I'll do is post this here and on your talk page. I'll also look through it while I write this so I don't miss any of my thoughts and whatnot on the topic.
I'm actually doing the same for Portland (Or), as over the past while I have gotten an increased interest in the city, and will be going to it soon so that's good. I nominated it for DOTM cause I cleaned it up a bit and it seemed worthy. By the time it'd get DOTM I'd be able to upload pics so there will be more pics, and make a map perhaps.
Oh and of course I'm doing it with Edmonton & Alberta.
Anyhow, Walt Disney World. Before I get started I mind as well just say flat out the place doesn't attract me. It seems like more a place for little kids and families instead, and to me just looks tacky and overhype. I don't know, that's just how I feel - but then again I don't go and watch Disney princess on tele.
One thing I do like though is the information really. I love how you give tributes to Walt Disney and fun facts. The Understand section is amazing.
I didn't know there was a parade! Interesting. And one thing you might want to do is a climate graph like in Edmonton. They seem very strict on alcohol. In the food section I wouldn't be so quick to single out mcdonalds. maybe say there are some regular fast food chains but save the actual lists for high quality restaurants / vendors.
For me? You ask? What kind of travelling do I like to do? I like going to cities. Particularily North American ones, although I would not mind Europe. I am a urban planning geek so that would explain that. WDW looks very very suburbanized and concentrated around the highway, which I hate. I am very antisuburbs, so thats another thing that bothers me about it. Maybe if they have transit going to it, that would be a good thing to highlight. I don't really like warm cities either. Miami, Los Angeles, Honolulu, Las Vegas, Abuquerque, Phoenix, and Tampa barely interest me. San Diego is an exception, as is Texas. I like northern cities, with 4 seasons, and seem to feel more "older" I guess, although the southern cities are also old just in a different way. Rustbelt, New England, East Coast, North midwestern, Pacific Northwest, and NoCal areas of the US I like. In Canada, almost anywhere interests me, as long as it's cities. Montréal, Fredricton, Thunder Bay, Toronto, etc. I like sort of former communist countries in Europe like Germany, Poland, and Russia just cause it would be interesting to see socialism instead of capitalism, although I'd never live in those places even though they are democratic now. I like the places that either had a big influence by English or the place influenced English. So Belgium, Germany, Holland, Denmark, and Sweden interest me. Scadinavia as a whole seems pretty cool. I'd rather go to New York than Yellowstone, or Sydney than Everest, or Tokyo over the Coral Reef, or Houston over WDW basically. I don't like suburban cities at all. Maybe if WDW has a more "urban sector", although I doubt it does that would be cool to highlight. Orlando as a whole seems very suburbanized. Nearby Tampa too. And Jacksonville. Nearest would be Miami I guess or Atlanta.
Does that help? If not please let me know, or if you need more information or just a general comment please don't hesitate to reply. I'd actually like a reply, but ya don't haveto. Thankyou. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:15, 16 May 2009 (EDT).

Edit wars

Spare me the lecture. I reverted that edit because he deleted useful text, and explained why in the edit summary. He didn't provide a valid reason for the deletion, so I reverted it again. He stated that he was going to take care of it, and I left it alone. There's nothing wrong with that sequence of actions. Gorilla Jones 17:16, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Hi Lt

Hi Lt, sorry if I dragged you into the thing with Gorilla, now you and Peter are at argueing. Sorry. I want you to know though that I appreciate you jumping in the discussion, dispite what Peter says. I'd like you to continue, unless you don't want to as it is greatly appreciated for someone whose more neutral it seems on the topic. No offense to Peter or Gorilla, but they seem to be very biased on the topic, and still haven't let the previous annoyances go. Anyhow have a very good day, you're a great moderator. And please don't take that as kissing butt :P. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:13, 23 May 2009 (EDT).

Mass map

I saw you signed up for the MA regions map. I did a bunch of work on it previously, including the state outline, counties, roads, and cities, but lost interest in finishing it because the region borders were confusing. I've uploaded it here, so you can work off of it. If you've already done the bulk of the work on your own map, I can merge relevant details later. --Peter Talk 12:24, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

Minor WDW map error

Hi, I just noticed a minor error on your latest version of the Walt Disney World map: the locations of Fort Wilderness Campground and the Wilderness Lodge Villas are transposed. Shouldn't be that hard to fix. Jonathan 784 12:17, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Re: Osprey Ridge

I'll fix it. Jonathan 784 09:58, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Re:

OK But, it's a pity not using cat-s here. —The preceding comment was added by 84.3.178.191‎ (talkcontribs) .

Please See

The Travellers Pub for more details on the New Skype Style question I asked. I have replied back. It's so odd... +1 877 627-2525 ,--71.254.108.245 13:15, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

Mid-Atlantic

I'm 24.126.73.17. I revised the language because it was speculative and boastful. I changed it to a neutral tone, taking out "America's most livable city", and "Baltimore is far less lovely" and converting it to a neutral tone. I have spoken to Peter about this. RickS 12:05, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

Good job

Good job on the Hollywood Studios sub-article! Let's do the same to all the others! :) Jonathan 784 23:23, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

How do I create or edit a map?

Hi there! I would like to create new maps or edit existing ones, but I'm pretty much still a new kid on the block and I don't fully understand the map-making process here. Could you please give me a "heads-up"? Thanks!

  • Tokyo Disney Resort's map is flawed. This version [1] is way better, but it's missing the locations of the Tokyo Disneyland Hotel and the Cirque du Soleil Theater.

Jonathan 784 10:10, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

Hollywood Studios

Oh no, not essential. Perhaps with the exception of adding more info to the Narnia exhibit description, I was just trying to tighten the prose (which is always something about which people can disagree)—largely to keep me busy while reading through the article. I assume points of contention were towards the beginning? I got rid of the isIn chain in the intro, since it should be obvious from the main article which state it's in, and I think it's safe to assume that WDW/X is in WDW (and the breadcrumbs are already displayed). I was also hoping to get rid of some "experience the" expressions, since I think that fits into the category of brochure-like tone that others were describing. But by all means, edit my edits! --Peter Talk 23:22, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

NYC

Nope, there are still a ton of redirects to NY(c)—I got less than half. They're sloppy and break all rdf templates when you navigate through them, so they are undesirable. The more important work, though, was to make sure the whole hierarchy stayed intact. --Peter Talk 13:13, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

Pacific Coastal Properties Removal?

I was wondering why the listing for Pacific Coastal Properties was removed. The company does offer vacation rentals in the Del Mar area, as well as many other areas in San Diego county. Please refer to one of our property pages for an example: http://www.pacificcoastalproperties.net/rental/house.html?ID=2. I have the same question for the removal of the posts from Cardiff-by-the-Sea, La Jolla, and Carlsbad. Thanks!

I just got your message--thanks,that was a very helpful explanation!—The preceding comment was added by Barkerjw1 (talkcontribs) .

Directly to Jail..

I think most people in Britain and Commonwealth countries understand American spelling perfectly. I'm the furthest thing possible from a spelling pedant, and personally I don't care what spelling people use, and I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to change American spelling to Commonwealth spelling anywhere. However our policy is to use British spelling in British articles, so to change the spelling of gaol to the American jail along with a comment saying they were fixing a strange misspelling is just a mistake in terms of our policy, because the existing version was perfectly correct. All the jails in Britain have a sign on the front saying gaol. --inas 20:55, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

Britain & Ireland

Sorry for my confusion. You must have wondered what I was going on about. --inas 17:18, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Psychologist discoveries..

The 7 things in memory is like a the 80/20 rule, and similar rules. More based on anecdotes and sounding right than any basis in psychology. --inas 19:29, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

Re: images

Yes, I did. =) I'm trying my best, but it's a tad bit harder than I expected. However, I already did one image. Jonathan 784 10:14, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

Nusa Penida

Back in July you left this edit message at Nusa_Penida: "LtPowers (Talk | contribs) (398 bytes) (I can't find any useful content here) (undo)". Please have a look now :). I am realy pleased with this article. It is a relatively little visited and poorly known destination. I think the WT article is now better than anything in any travel guide I know for the destination. Cheers. --Burmesedays 11:26, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

Tamil Nadu

I removed it because it doesn't have a regional map, the list of regions however is still listed but not on the regional template. Tamil Nadu needs re-organizing :( . Have a nice day.SnappyHip 20:23, 24 February 2010 (GST)

Kerala‎

Any chance you're still around? If so, would you mind casting an eye over what is going on with the Kerala page. We have tried educating this user as to why his edits are being reverted, but he is insistant on keeping them there; now trying to get us to allow them to stay while he takes time to work on the content (to which the cynic in me says he's hoping we forget!) I'm not really sure what else we can do, short of a temporary ban on the user, which is really not a road I wish to travel down. Cheers Nrms 12:18, 8 March 2010 (EST)

nudge

Best to not encourage trolling—it can be extremely counterproductive. I'm aware of the couple useful bits there thrown in (to try and rope people in), and will continue revising the article, but not before our silly provocateur tires and wanders off. --Peter Talk 22:53, 9 March 2010 (EST)

The idea that I have some sort of radical view on trolling is absurd. Don't feed the trolls is the mantra of the online world [2]. Rising to this sort of bait [3] makes you look ridiculous, and encourages trolls to continue wasting everyone's time. This hurts the site, is unfair to anyone on the receiving end—or really anyone who would rather our site be devoted to productive ends—and is simply inappropriate for an admin to knowingly do. I can assure you that a if a user trolling decides to start contributing positively, they will do so from a new account, and it will not be because you guided them into the light—by continually rising to the bait (and far worse, contradicting other admins trying to deal with this responsibly), you increase the rewards trolling relative to those of positive contribution. --Peter Talk 10:09, 10 March 2010 (EST)

nudge(2)

Given your question "elsewhere", you might want to catch up with the long discussion about that email here. --Burmesedays 03:50, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

That problem which is brewing

Just finished reading the whole IB/spam discussion at Wikipedia. Thanks for representing this site there — you're doing a good job of it. Gorilla Jones 21:08, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

A copyright question

I would really appreciate your view on this. I have just about finished putting together the Bougainville article (a very OtbP island). I would love to draw a map but there are no sources, except... this. What is your take on using that as a trace source? Believe it or not, that website is the official tourism site of the Autonomous Region of Bougainville. There is no copyright statement anywhere. Thanks. --Burmesedays 11:34, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

There is a UN map! Many thanks for pointing that out. It will be a perfect source. --Burmesedays 18:53, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

Taxi

(moved from subpage)

I'm not sure how to contact you...can you contact me please? <<email redacted>> I'd like to discuss the TAXI section with you.

I only removed that other taxi company because it was misplaced in the Niagara Falls, ONTARIO section. It is an American company and should be listed in the Niagara Falls, NY section. My intent wasn't to remove competition, they are not our competition, they are in a different company.

I look forward to hearing from you.

C. Smith

-- —The preceding comment was added by 69.157.112.71 (talkcontribs)

Replied on your talk page. LtPowers 19:49, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

Vanessa has changed her listing to fir the policy

Hey Hi, I think you made a mistake deleting Vanessa's Random La Paz City Tour. I will tell you why: Her tour goes to places that no tourist could ever find on their own and are custom designed by each small group. There are no museums, govt. building, churches or tourist attractions per se. She uses public transportation which no traveler knows how to use and teaches people about Paceño life and culture. It is analgous to a helicopter flight over the Sahara as the stops are completely off the tourist circuit, not even Paceños know about most of them, and often random. Its a learning experience more than a tour. I think you should undelete it. She read the policy and decided to have the tours meet on the side step of Artesenia Sorata on the corner of Linares & Sagarnaga. That is her office, and her phone is 752-72212, Marko Lewis.

She changed thge listing to fit your policy and reposted it. Thanks. —The preceding comment was added by 190.129.63.191 (talkcontribs)

Salema Feedback Requested

Hello, LtPowers!

Very glad to have your help with the Salema article (http://wikitravel.org/en/Salema). I noticed you marked the article as 'Usable', which has me tickled pink since it's one of the first pages I've created from scratch. I'm a little new here, and would appreciate your feedback: What do you think it would take to bump the article up to the next level? I'm looking at the Wikitravel:Usable articles page and trying to figure out what, specifically, I could add to make it a more helpful page. More restaurants / hotels / bars, more detailed description of the town, a map...?

Thanks!

TythosEternal 19:08, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

Freistadt#See

A new user has copied partly some material and put in the source. I'm not sure if this is fine but it's not all copy paste, some is (bad) written by himself. Delete all or partly? jan 07:52, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

Rincon Puerto Rico

Hi Lt Powers,

I dont know if I am placing this in the right area. The reason for adding the ==Understand== section to Rincon, Puerto Rico is due to the fact the site I am adding is the only one available for the town with an interactive map listing multiple categories. In addition, the site lists the latest news regarding the town. If more is needed, please let me know.

Thanks.

—The preceding comment was added by Sandy Beach (talkcontribs)

Toolbox and Docents

Wow! If the docent for Disney World says that people don't contact docents, it must be a real problem to find or understand the link. In the old pre-web days of 1992, I posted a guide "Planning a trip to Disney World" on the old rec.arts.disney newsgroup, and at the peak was getting up to 40 or 50 emails and posts a week asking questions, advice, and such. I was still getting occasional emails ten years later. Based on my last trip down there in April, the crowds are still there, so I'm sure the need for docents remains high.

Of course, it doesn't help that the Docents link won't show up at all when someone gets there with a redirect, such as going to "disneyworld". But as they click around to Epcot, MK, and such, they will start seeing the Docent box if they just noticed it. To attract attention, perhaps it should appear in the main body of the text, up on the right near the top. Or I guess you really don't want people to START with a docent before they even read the article, so maybe the box should be at the bottom, but still in the main article space. Bill in STL 18:07, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, we've talked about it a bit on Wikitravel:Docents, but never came to a consensus. You can drop an opinion over there if you want. LtPowers 21:52, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

Images: Did I do it right?

I just uploaded my first image. I would appreciate it if you could tell me if I filled in the forms correctly. It is from wikimedia commons, and is File:Catsup watertower.jpg. I then added it to the Collinsville (Illinois) page. I know nothing about the image except what appears in wikimedia commons. I tried to imterpret what I should put in source, license, etc, and think I got it right, but just feel shaky. (I'm not sure it is the best picture, but at least it's a start). Thanks for your help. Bill in STL 20:23, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for taking a look. This first time I guess I was so wrapped up in how to do it that I sort of skipped over selecting a good picture. I did find that I brought over a thumbnail at first, and replaced with the full picture, but it still fails to show well in small size. Next time, I'll spend more time on selection and not sweat the process. Bill in STL 19:19, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

Willis / Sears Tower

Could you comment at Talk:Chicago#Willis / Sears Tower ? It's not clear to me why edits such as this one are being made, so some clarification would be appreciated. Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 14:52, 24 August 2010 (EDT)

Tour listing removed?

Hello LtPowers, You've reverted the listing for La Paz Walking Tours at the La_Paz_(Bolivia) guide saying "per tour policy". However, the listing constitutes a value-added activity and no traveller could not fulfill the substance of the tour on their own, as the tour policy states. Another similar activity called Ramdom Tour is already listed and falls in the same category. Could you give some feedback and allow the listing? Thank you for your time. --Skykid123 ve 16:15, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

VfD template and category

Thanks for pointing me at the category list. I had been looking at the list of pages linked to the template to come up with my list, but the category page alphabetizes them. I added some help text to the top of the category page.

It does include pages such as Wikitravel:City guide status and Wikitravel:Template index. I suggested a change on the talk page to keep those pages out of the category. Template talk:Vfd#update call for category. Since you created the category, I wanted to get your reaction. Thanks. --Bill in STL 03:30, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

Consulates

Thanks for your comments and sharing your opinion on listing consulates. I think I'll keep sticking with it, although I would agree with you there might be more useful things I could do with my time. One thing it seems to do is make the articles more official-looking, which I think is a positive. You can read my comments on Peter 's page. Got any big tasks you might like some help on? Zepppep 14:46, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Ok, where is a central place to talk about this? Travellers' Pub...? Zepppep 12:31, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
As good as any. =) LtPowers 10:35, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
Ok, my bad re: embassies. I thought you were saying it's good to have embassies on the country page but putting them on the city page may not. Did I misunderstand your type? If this is the central place for a discussion, I'm fine with that. I don't see any issue with putting consulate info. on the city pages and haven't run into any major obstacles, I guess. Consulates are helpful and typically there are only a few in each country. Some large countries might have more due to their size or influence and I'm fine with having that particular city list which consulates are in town. —The preceding comment was added by Zepppep (talkcontribs)
First of all, I meant to endorse your suggestion of the Travellers' Pub as a place for discussion, not here. You've now spread discussion across three or four different talk pages; that is not conducive to establishing a useful consensus.
Second of all, what I said was "A far better organization for consulate and embassy information is to organize it by country, rather than by city." That is, country to which the embassy belongs, not country in which the embassy is located. A list of, say, German consulates is far more useful to the German traveler than a list of all of the consulates in New York City. LtPowers 13:54, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
I only responded to the comments you made on other users' pages because you had responded to them on that specific page, so please don't blast me for using a user's page to comment directly to that WT'er. I then came to your page to say "Travelers' Pub is cool with me if it's cool with you." I'm not worried so much about formality when posting to a user's page--and doing a little consensus building or "hey, we're heading over to the TP if you're interested in voicing your comments" is nothing but aiming to inform/update a user who's expressed interest or gratitude in something I've done. I was also offering my help to you (16 Sept post). Zepppep 16:45, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
Sorry if I sounded a bit short. It wasn't intentional. LtPowers 14:13, 9 October 2010 (EDT)

IsPartOf

I was under the impression that the underscores were necessary; I've been noticing A LOT of problems with the breadcrumb navigation recently (and purging the cache doesn't always seem to take care of the problems) and thought that might be the reason. Sorry Eco84 10:13, 17 November 2010 (EST)

Votes for deletion

I was doing a pass through the VFD page to see what nominations could be completed, and on a couple of nominations - Beachtraveller and Lake James (disambiguation) in particular - you've made comments that I assumed were "Keep" votes, but on second look may just be comments without any vote. If these are indeed meant as "Keep" votes could you update the comment? If not, for an article such as Lake James (disambiguation) in which the consensus seems to be "delete", are you OK with completing the nomination? Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:08, 27 November 2010 (EST)

I-90 route boxes in Massachusetts

Hi, for I-90 Worcester and Springfield should also be control cities. I'm going to change it back. —The preceding comment was added by Sumone10154 (talkcontribs)

That's not true according to my information. Do you have a more recent source than this one? LtPowers 10:11, 15 January 2011 (EST)
Actually in Massachusetts, most highway signs on I-90 in Massachusetts include Springfield or Worcester (not always Albany), and according to Wikitravel:Routebox_navigation#Assigning_major_destinations, "If the route goes for 2 hours' travel time or more without a major city, the next biggest city in the region should be used to break it up." So although Springfield and Worcester aren't officially control cities to the AASHTO, I think they should still be included. Sumone10154 12:14, 15 January 2011 (EST)
Well that's different, then, and something that could be discussed. Boston is only three hours from Albany, so I'd say it's close to okay for them to remain the "major" cities on the templates. With toll roads (which I-90 is in New York and Massachusetts), which have relatively few exits, we risk nearly every city becoming a control city if we include all of the major ones. If we include Worcester and Springfield, for instance, we'd also want to add Rochester and Syracuse. LtPowers 15:43, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Niagara Falls

The collaboration of the month was updated to Niagara Falls. I just thought I'd let you know, since you gave support and know the area. ChubbyWimbus 17:24, 18 January 2011 (EST)

Re: I-80 and State College

I-80 does not go through State College, but it's close - the town that I-80 passes through doesn't have a page, and I-99 (which does pass through the town) hasn't been routed yet. As I continue to complete these routes, I'll address this issue. I'm just having I-80 in place until I get around to routing I-99 (in other words, it's a temporary situation). :) PerryPlanet Talk 22:09, 21 February 2011 (EST)

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you on the I-86/I-390 deal. Anyway, I'll start with your second question first - I omitted the junction from the other cities along I-86 just because it seemed needlessly complicated to have that much info in those other cities (I wasn't aware that the junction was a major landmark), but I don't feel really strongly about it either way - if you think it works better the way it was before, you can change it back. I don't mind.
On the other point though (why did I take I-390 out of the Corning routebox), that I did because I-390 goes nowhere near Corning (the junction with I-86 is a good 20-30 miles out of town). I'm approaching this from the perspective of someone who is looking at the Corning page and asking the question "Say, which roads pass through Corning? Oh look, I-390 does!" (pulls out map) "Well, wait...I don't see an I-390 anywhere near Corning!" I did note the junction with I-390 in the I-86 row however, so I feel that anyone who follows I-390 south from Rochester and jumps ahead to Corning can still follow it back north if they wish. PerryPlanet Talk 17:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)

Need help to undo mistake

Hello LtPowers. Recently, I tried to rename a page without properly using the "move" tab. (It wasn't showing up at the time.) The page was Rocky Mountains (Washington), and I was renaming it, because according to Wikipedia, the Rocky Mountain range doesn't extend into Washington State. (see Rocky Mountains)

Here's what I think needs to be done, but don't have the administrator rights to do it:

I made a few additions to the Northeast Washington page, but I have an offline copy and will add them back after the move-page problem is fixed. Thanks MMKK 17:27, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

I took care of this. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:31, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

I-87

Hi! I would also like to point out that according to some (but not all) sources [4], I-787 does end in Troy. But anyways, the problem is that if later there are articles for every single town along this section of I-87 (the case in many highways in Massachusetts), Troy would not fit anywhere along the route. And additionally, coming from the north, you would take route 7 to get to Troy, not I-787. So I would prefer keeping it the way it is right now with the I-787 routeboxes. –sumone10154 12:12, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

New York towns and villages

Hi LtPowers, on the Wikitravel:Votes for deletion page, some users were proposing to delete town articles or village articles in New York. Since you live in New York, could you give your opinion there? –sumone10154 10:21, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

South (United States of America)

Re your recent edit..Understand > History.
"The region known as The South comprises..." Hopefully that takes care of it. I have watchlisted it. Cheers-- felix 04:22, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

City/Region quickbars

I noticed you made a couple of quick comments. Do you think you could expound on your opinions on this? I wish Peter were around to comment too. texugo 02:49, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Honestly, I'm ambivalent. I just knew there was strong opposition in the past, though I never knew exactly why. LtPowers 11:35, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Aussie

Moved to Talk:Australia#"Aussie"

World languages

If Japanese is considered a world language but is the national language of only one country, why isn't Swahili a world language when it's a National language of several countries, and official in the African union? Ituwari 12:17, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

I've restarted a discussion about the designation—it may be simpler to rename the section altogether. Lets take the discussion there. --Peter Talk 16:17, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

time formats revisited

Given your interest in the time formats discussion and/or the star nomination that was almost sidelined over this matter, I thought I should let you know I've reopened the discussion. Hopefully (unlikely perhaps, but hopefully) we can reach a more definitive conclusion on this matter. PerryPlanet Talk 00:45, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

DOM

Hi there (with apologies for a cut and paste message). I am trying to muster up some interest again in the now almost moribund Destination of the Month feature. This used to be one of our more dynamic initiatives with lots of debate. Sadly, that is no longer the case. I have made some new nominations to try to get it going again. If you have a moment please pop over there. And some nominations would be good if you can think of any! Thanks. --Burmesedays 10:22, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Please stop the edit warring

There is an obvious mandate for change on the Chicago site. Please stop shamelessly promoting the shameless self promotions of that page.132.160.43.101 19:25, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

Look, if you want to salvage any of your remaining credibility on this issue, you need to do several things:
  • Stop reverting Chicago to your preferred version. Whatever claims you make about consensus, the bare fact is that we have a "status quo bias" -- in a dispute, we keep articles the way they were unless the specific change can be shown to have wide support. No matter how many people have supposedly chimed in with comments criticizing the current lead, your version has no one but you asking for it to be instituted.
  • Register for an account. We welcome unregistered users, but it makes it much easier to work with you long-term if you have a consistent identity. It will give you more credibility, because you will be seen as more than just a random person stopping by to complain, but instead as a fellow Wikitraveler looking to improve the guide. And it also will reduce questions about just which IP addresses belong to you and which ones don't.
  • Restart the discussion on your proposed changes on the talk page. You may have noticed that it had been discussed and improvements were being made... but that discussion ended once you started trying to impose it upon the article. That should tell you something about which is the more successful route.
If you show no interest in doing any of these three steps -- let alone all of them -- then it will be clear to all that you are not actually here for any productive purpose, but rather just to tweak, troll, and annoy. The choice is yours.
-- LtPowers 13:07, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

You are talking very reasonably, but your actions haven't been. You and the other Mayor Daleys have been bullying anyone with a differing opinion, calling their changes boring and colorless.

The status quo bias only comes into play if there is a previous consensus. There isn't. Changes need to be made and NOT reverted so that editors can judge them. Every editor's opinions are equal. I don't need an account.

But I'll make a concession for you, because we're both from the Roch-cha-cha. I won't make mass reverts of the whole lead, but rather smaller ones. I think we can do some honest analysis on the talk pages and make a great article together.

Chicago! 132.160.43.101 03:56, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

There is and was a consensus for the previous version, as the article was promoted to star status with near universal acclaim. It doesn't lose that approval because a one or more persons who haven't done any other significant work on the site come in and say they don't like it.
If you want to make changes, you'll have to gain consensus for them first, then make the change -- not the other way around. LtPowers 16:31, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

So you admit that there is no consensus to keep the lead. The article was a star, so everything in it gets the green light? I don't buy that.

You are probably too partisan to have seen the consensus for change in the discussion section.

Ryan said the lead is "too flowery"

Peter said that the old lead can use improvement at least somewhat. He also had a few kind words for revisions.

Even you said you are "starting to see what I mean."

There are more, but I digress,

My individual edits should be viewed on their own merit. Why did you get rid of my first sentence edit?

132.160.75.44 04:15, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

When did I say "there is no consensus to keep the lead"? I reverted you because you didn't do any one of the three things I asked earlier -- you didn't register for an account, you didn't start a discussion on the talk page, and you didn't stop trying to impose your changes by fiat instead of garnering consensus first. Those are the basic steps in gaining the trust of the other users of this site; until you can understand their importance, you won't understand how to best be a productive contributor to this site. LtPowers 09:58, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
132.160.43.101, I have been casually watching the recent editing on the Chicago article, your own commentary and that of others. Regardless of any content issues your undoubted enthusiasm and considered input into the article is noted. Accordingly I wish to pass no judgement upon either your motives or the quality of content in your edits. I am a regular editor on Wikitravel but the Chicago article is not one with which I am familiar, nor an I familiar with the destination. However I am quite familiar with the principals, policies and intent of the editors with which you are in apparent disagreement.
This article has an established style and content that has been arrived at through both consensus style editing and rigorous scrutiny by both long established and also casual editors such as yourself. Although a quick reading does reveal some good content input from you the certainly bombastic manner with which you are delivering it to the article is in no way constructive. If it were an article of a lesser state of evolution I speculate you would probably not be experiencing such resistance however to be blunt the main problem appears to be with your attitude. Frankly it sucks and I suggest that if you wish to contribute that you do it in a manner that is far less fractious. One of the things that really annoys regular editors and contributors here is an individual who comes along swinging their trouser snake around like a gushing garden hose. Put it back in your pants. The way to deal with the contentious nature of change in the article is to discuss it. It is not a complex process and would consume far less energy for all concerned if you would do so in a more restrained, balanced and mature manner. The appropriate venue to establish change is the articles discussion page. That applies most especially for an article that has evolved and developed to a Star rated level. Put your ideas forward on the discussion page in a concise manner and other editors will look over them in a measured, balanced and hopefully still objective manner despite your still prevailing bombastic behaviour. If your ideas and content suggestions are considered to be of overall merit and benefit the article you may be surprised to find you have some support for some change. The direction you are heading is presenting a total distraction from the proposed content and moving the attention instead to you and your inappropriate behaviour. Unless you make some effort to behave like a grown up person then it is hard to disagree with any of the comments made about you. Register an account, what is the problem with doing that, at least then we know it is you, not someone else that you share the IP with. If you wish to make a constructive contribution and improvement to the current article then please just take your proposed content, thematic changes and other considerations to the discussion page and deal with them there in a sensible and constructive manner.
Maybe try reading the MoS and then practicing your editing and content contribution skills on a more needy article, maybe even consider creating or improving an appropriate article for a destination that is lacking an article or content, this website is full of needy areas to cover. Then consider coming back to the Chicago article when you have some idea of how to behave in a collaborative environment. Otherwise, please just go away. -- felix 15:12, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

More posturing. Listen guy, I'm not the one revert warring and refusing to discuss the issues. The people want change, and a few bullies are standing in the way. Don't encourage them.

I'm gonna keep on making positive edits.

Chicago is not the truth of blues. 132.160.72.197 04:43, 17 August 2011 (EDT)

Who are all these people who want change and where is the discussion which proves that? All I have seen are a few anonymous comments (probably from one user only using different anonymous IPs), and certainly no consensus building going on. If you want something changed, discuss it reasonably on the Chicago talk page first. It's really very simple.--Burmesedays 04:59, 17 August 2011 (EDT)

"Talk" Question

Hi. I'm in the process of moving my material from the CouchSurfing travel guides to Wikitravel, as CS has just converted to a for-profit company.

I'm confused as to how Wiki talk works. Is there any pre-formatted process for responding to or starting a new topic, or do I just edit the appropriate talk page in some seemingly appropriate manner? Is it OK to pick up on a pertinent but long-dormant discussion, or should I start a new one on the same topic?

Is there a shortcut for IDing and timestamping a talk comment?

I communicated on the Ulster County split as you suggested, but per above, I don't know if it's in the right context.

—The preceding comment was added by JohnGunther (talkcontribs)

Hi, John. Talk pages here work just like on Wikipedia, by and large. Try giving Wikitravel:Using talk pages a read and then let me know if you have any further questions. LtPowers 16:48, 24 August 2011 (EDT)

Apology

Hi. I'm sorry I offended you. I remain astonished by the idea of New York as a Mid-Atlantic state, but I didn't realize there was actually a precedent behind that and it wasn't just something done out of organizational convenience here or something. I don't really come here out of a motivation to discuss it, though; I really just came here to apologize. Ikan Kekek 21:51, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

No problem; I may have overreacted, but I was stunned by your strident assertion. No harm, no foul. LtPowers 07:27, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Mysterious dragons

Hi, I saw your edit removing the "Danforth Dragon" description from the Toronto Pearson International Airport details. I puzzled over it for a while wondering how on earth that arrived there as an outcome of one of my edits, and indeed that was the obvious source. I scoured the article for mentions of Danforth Dragons and in the edit history I found a badly formatted restaurant listing that I had edited. I assume this abberation was an inadvertent paste that dropped into a cursor point without my noticing. The wretched page purging issue then ensured that I did not see it when I did a quick scan over the final edited version of the page. Your edit note (dare I ask where this even came from?) is still making me smile. Certainly it was a most odd thing to append to an airport. Good thig you spotted it. Cheers-- felix 01:29, 6 November 2011 (EST)

Thanks for the welcome!

Just wanted to thank you for the welcome :) I'll take a look at the links you provided and get acquainted! travelguy101 18:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Hello LtPowers (Warsaw editing)

I'd like to ask you to change back information about tour guide company in Warsaw. Capital of Poland was destroyed in 90%, which means that it is absolutely impossible to see the most beauty and important architectonical details on apartments, monuments and other sights, if you dont have licensed and very experienced tour guide. That is why tours offered by warsaw4u have "a value-added activity". —The preceding comment was added by 85.222.21.83 (talkcontribs)

Sorry, doesn't count in my book. Bring it up at the Wikitravel:Travellers' Pub if you want some second opinions. LtPowers 21:19, 8 January 2012 (EST)

Confused about unexplained revert

Hi ... I added a listing for a Spanish teacher to the La Paz article yesterday, which you subsequently reverted ... I don't have much experience with Wikitravel, but I have to admit I'm at a loss to understand the reason for the revert.

Can you tell me what was wrong with it? The only thing I can think of is that I didn't create an account before making the edit - is that it?

Schesis 10:34, 24 January 2012 (EST)

I may have been too hasty. The listing struck me as somewhat problematic as it's a bit of a slippery slope to start listing all private Spanish teachers in the city. I'm not sure if we have concrete guidelines on such things. Perhaps drop a note at the Wikitravel:Travellers' pub and see what other editors think. LtPowers 21:28, 25 January 2012 (EST)

Aargh

Apologies for the duplicates ... internet in Bolivia can be a pain.

Buffalo district borders

Thanks for adding the Districts Discussion box to the Buffalo page; I probably should have thought to do that myself. I had been planning on beginning to write the articles in the next few days - but given that the box is on the page now, I guess I should wait a bit longer for new contributors who might want to add their two cents. How long do discussions like this normally take? AndreCarrotflower 19:13, 17 February 2012 (EST)

Considering how little attention the article had gotten before you came along, I honestly wouldn't worry about it. LtPowers 10:16, 18 February 2012 (EST)
Thank you. I guess I'll start in the next few days. AndreCarrotflower 13:06, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Venusian conditions

I think this person [5] was, ah, er, venting about the current heat wave (June was positively cool). It hit 106° yesterday at DCA. --Peter Talk 18:28, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

No doubt, but the sentence left behind was still self-contradictory. =) LtPowers 21:35, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

Excuse me

Can you watch over User:TreatAshworth584? Thanks. D-270599 (talk to me, please!) 10:37, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

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