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As Thomas really seems to disagree on the whole "Metro area" should not be in Detroit kind of thing, why don't we open up discussion in the proper place, meaning: [[Talk:Detroit]] as it would discuss each district.  Also, hope you had a great Christmas.  [[User:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#339989">'''edmontonenthusiast [ee]'''</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#8848d7">'''.T.A.L.K.'''</font>]]</small></sup> 14:53, 27 December 2008 (EST).
 
As Thomas really seems to disagree on the whole "Metro area" should not be in Detroit kind of thing, why don't we open up discussion in the proper place, meaning: [[Talk:Detroit]] as it would discuss each district.  Also, hope you had a great Christmas.  [[User:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#339989">'''edmontonenthusiast [ee]'''</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#8848d7">'''.T.A.L.K.'''</font>]]</small></sup> 14:53, 27 December 2008 (EST).
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:Okay. Thanks for participating in this dispute. I did have a great Christmas, thanks for asking. Hope you had a good one too.  --'''[[User:Local hero|<font color="blue">Local</font>]] [[User talk:Local hero|<font color="dark yellow">hero</font>]]''' 14:57, 27 December 2008 (EST)
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::Hey you are welcome.  Haven't been to the city, but with your happiness towards it, it seems like a cool place and i try to ckeep it on the radar in this site.  Glad you had a good Christmas, as did I.  [[User:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#339989">'''edmontonenthusiast [ee]'''</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#8848d7">'''.T.A.L.K.'''</font>]]</small></sup> 21:24, 28 December 2008 (EST).
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==  District map for Detroit==
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[[Image:Detroit districts map.png|thumb|350px|Detroit districts map]]
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Sure, I'd be happy to help with the Detroit effort. I can't promise I'll get to it any time soon, though&mdash;I've got a bunch of other projects lined up first.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 02:39, 28 December 2008 (EST)
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:Thanks. Take as much time as you need. --'''[[User:Local hero|<font color="blue">Local</font>]] [[User talk:Local hero|<font color="dark yellow">hero</font>]]''' 16:32, 30 December 2008 (EST)
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::The map is nearly ready (here's a draft image), but I need street boundaries for Midtown-New Center, East Side, Southwest Side, & Northwest Side. Give me an idea of those street boundaries and I'll finish this in a jiffy.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 16:18, 2 February 2009 (EST)
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:::Midtown-New Center is bounded by I-75 to the east, M-10 to the west, I-94 to the south, and Highland Park to the north. The East Side doesn't have any strict boundaries, but for the map's sake just make it everything south of I-94 and east of I-75 (including Belle Isle). The Southwest Side is everything south of Michigan Avenue and west of M-10. The Northwest Side is bordered to the north by 8 Mile, to the east by Woodward Avenue and Highland Park, to the west by the city of Redford. For the southern border of the Northwest Side, use I-96 but it eventually goes toward downtown, so just pretend that I-96 keeps going east into southern Highland Park, instead of going south onto West Grand, and use that as the southern border. I hope the latter makes sense. Thanks again for taking the time to make this map. I haven't the slightest idea how to make one. Thanks! --'''[[User:Local hero|<font color="blue">Local</font>]] [[User talk:Local hero|<font color="dark yellow">hero</font>]]''' 15:57, 3 February 2009 (EST)
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::::OK, I think I followed those directions faithfully and updated the draft map (you might have to refresh your talk page to see it). There are still large "gap areas," which I've darkened. Do you mean to leave those parts of the city outside of the Detroit districts system? --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 16:29, 3 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::I messed up on the southern border of Midtown-New Center; its I-75, not I-96. Sorry. As for the other dark areas, there isn't much to do or see in those parts of the city. But I could probably find some hidden gems even I don't know about. So extend the East Side to include the huge dark spot east of Woodward and north of I-94. Make the last dark spot West Side. I'll create that article today or tomorrow. That should take care of just about everything. Thanks again! --'''[[User:Local hero|<font color="blue">Local</font>]] [[User talk:Local hero|<font color="dark yellow">hero</font>]]''' 16:53, 3 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::Got it. So West Side will be a new article, then?  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 17:41, 3 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::Yup. --'''[[User:Local hero|<font color="blue">Local</font>]] [[User talk:Local hero|<font color="dark yellow">hero</font>]]''' 17:57, 3 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::OK, I might have it done now, and have updated the map once more. The one area I'm not sure about is the little triangle between Michigan Ave, I-75, and M-10. Should that be in the West Side, or the Southwest Side? (Right now I have it as West Side.) And if you'd like to establish an exact street boundary between the Northwest and West Sides east of I-96, just give me the word. Also, should I put up any other suburb names?  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 18:18, 3 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::: Add that triangle to Southwest Side. Make the border line between the West Side and Northwest Side West Davidson, which is similar to what the border is now. The only other suburbs that shoud be added are Dearborn and Grosse Pointe. --'''[[User:Local hero|<font color="blue">Local</font>]] [[User talk:Local hero|<font color="dark yellow">hero</font>]]''' 18:30, 3 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::::OK, I think this is done now. I'll add it to the article.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:12, 3 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::::::And if I haven't said so before, thanks for all the work you've been doing on Detroit&mdash;I'm always meaning to go back for another visit, and with all this new info I'll be sure to have a good time!  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:23, 3 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::::::The map looks great! Thanks again. And I hope you enjoy your future visit. --'''[[User:Local hero|<font color="blue">Local</font>]] [[User talk:Local hero|<font color="dark yellow">hero</font>]]''' 14:45, 4 February 2009 (EST)
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Hey, I merged the two districts on the map (although it might take a refresh to see that). Regarding that warningbox discussion, the other user is clearly being provocative and insulting towards you, but I would encourage you not to respond regardless. Best not to be drawn into unproductive tit-for-tats, and I'm happy to moderate (and revert) any extreme edits. Hopefully ''something'' productive will come of this, and I think some useful (rather than "scare-people-off") stay safe sections in districts would be useful. Even in the very safe areas, stay safe information can be very useful in assuaging unwarranted fears. A good example of this is [[Chicago/South_Chicago_Shore#Stay_safe|here]]&mdash;I'm always at pains to think of a charitable explanation why the university students fear Hyde Park.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 20:26, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
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:Thanks! You're probably right about ignoring the 'tit-for-tats'. I'll take a look at the "stay safe" section and shed some light on the bad sides of Detroit if its not in there already. Thanks for the advice. [[User:Local hero|Local hero]] 21:00, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
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Just looking through the articles in Detroit, it looks like a solid bunch of articles.  Would you like to nominate it for [[Destination of the Month]]?[[User:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#339989">'''edmontonenthusiast [ee]'''</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#8848d7">'''.T.A.L.K.'''</font>]]</small></sup> 16:31, 17 May 2009 (EDT).
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:I was about to, but it says that the article should have an article status of 'guide' or 'star'. Detroit's status is 'usable'. I do think that the article should be at least a guide though. Oh, and welcome back! [[User:Local hero|Local hero]] 15:42, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
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::Thanks.  For the main page to be a guide all the districts need to be usable, so make sure that is there first then bring it up to guide.  Then please nominate it, it would be a great choice for DOTM.  I recently nominated Portland (OR) which I also think would be great a DOTM (just needs some more photos), so many great articles here on WT.  [[User:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#339989">'''edmontonenthusiast [ee]'''</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Edmontonenthusiast|<font color="#8848d7">'''.T.A.L.K.'''</font>]]</small></sup> 21:00, 20 May 2009 (EDT).
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::: The downtown district is a guide and Midtown-New Center is usable, but the other four are all outlines. The East Side seems pretty close to usable status, and the Southwest Side isn't bad either. Hamtramck-Highland Park needs more work, and the West Side needs a lot more work. [[User:Local hero|Local hero]] 20:46, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

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Welcome[edit]

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Detroit[edit]

Whoa, nice work on Detroit! --Peter Talk 22:43, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. --Local hero 17:02, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
I was wondering if you would like me to get some more CC Detroit images? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:40, 7 December 2008 (EST).
Sure, thanks. --Local hero 13:34, 7 December 2008 (EST)
Of what? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:43, 7 December 2008 (EST).
Anything, really. Preferably, some pictures of buildings such as the Book Cadillac and Penobscot. --Local hero 13:46, 7 December 2008 (EST)
Ok, here [1], look there for the interesting ones, tell me and then I will go through the process of making them able to be used on this webpage! edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:51, 7 December 2008 (EST).
Here are the one's I like: Image:Comericatower.jpg, Image:Rencenfromriverwalk.jpg, Image:Wayne County Bldg Detroit MI USA.JPG, Image:Belleisleconservatory.jpg, and Image:General Motors building 089833pv.jpg. Get the ones you like too. --Local hero 14:04, 7 December 2008 (EST)
Ill do it soon. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:12, 7 December 2008 (EST).
Take your time. --Local hero 16:16, 7 December 2008 (EST)
Where is Comerica in the article? I mean on WT. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:01, 12 December 2008 (EST).


Image:Belleisleconservatory.jpg Image:Wayne County Bldg Detroit MI USA.JPG Image:Comericatower.jpg‎

Thanks alot for the pictures. Comerica Tower is the first listing under the architecture section in the downtown article, but under the name "One Detroit Center" because that is the actual name of the building. But, now that I think about it, most people know it as Comerica Tower, so I'm going to change it. --Local hero 15:52, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Your welcome. Why not call it One Detroit Center (Comerica Tower)? I will get some more later on some other time. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:54, 12 December 2008 (EST).
I just changed it to Comerica Tower at Detroit Center. --Local hero 15:57, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Local, I was wondering if you could put more lengthly descriptions before listings I.e. give a overview of See, etc. and also make the district information in the main page more lengthly as when you get a district map, you will want it to be more lengthly, or it will drop into the understand segment in chaoes, well not chaos, but it;ll go into it a lil much./ Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 15:21, 24 November 2008 (EST).

Sure thing. --Local hero 21:50, 24 November 2008 (EDT)

Edmonton[edit]

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Brutalist TELUS Towers'.

What's the sudden interest in Edmonton, what's appealing to you about it? Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:02, 24 November 2008 (EST).

Well, before I'd read about Edmonton, I would never have thought twice about the city. But its got a lot of cool places like the largest mall in North America, nice architecture, and it seems like its growing into a global city. It has a lot of potential. And for some reason, it strikes me as a "clean" city. --Local hero 23:28, 25 November 2008 (EDT)
Wow you got bang on with a lot of stuff. although a lot of the neat architecture is in styles people don't care for, with the exception of the 80s buildings. Edmonton is a clean city, although like every other city there are dirrtty parts. You are right it does have a lot of potential, and it is growing into a global city, although you wouldn't get that from the first night you were here. Yeah, it has a lot of cool places. Striking that you definied Edmonton just like that. What did you think of Eddy before? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 23:33, 25 November 2008 (EST).
Before, I just thought of it as just another city. I didn't know much about it because the only time I heard the name "Edmonton" was when the Red Wings played them. * --Local hero 23:38, 25 November 2008 (EST)
Well if you ever go to the city, until the new arena is built, dont just go to see a hockey game or something at Rexall (current arena) as all you will really see is the ugly suburbia and grit. Not a good impression, one reason why there is plans for a new one downtown (right now in East Central/Central border). I am glad you have taken an interest in it. What kinds of architectural styles do yuo like? If you tell, I can tell you if the architecture in Edmonton would be neat for you. Hey, this is turining into a neat conversation. Also, we're forgetting Detroit! Okay, I have a question about Detroit: Why did the Renaissance building get built? That thing killed the downtown and left parking lots on the lake shore. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:44, 26 November 2008 (EST).
Actually, I don't really like hockey and I hate the suburbs too. I like all kinds of architecture, especially styles used heavily in the 1920s like Art Deco, which we have a lot of in Detroit. However, I don't like the Chicago-style. As for the Ren Cen, it was built by the Detroit Renaissance Organization to stop the white flight to the suburbs. This was after the 1967 riots, and the Ren Cen was unsuccesful in its mission as Detroit today has half the population it had in the 1950s. General Motors moved its headquarters to the building in 1997 and finished renovating it in 2004. They did a great job. But, you are right about the parking lots, if you look at the view of the city from the Ren Cen you'll see a bunch of parking lots next to the Ren Cen and it looks horrible. But many lofts and apartments are replacing those and the riverfront should be finished in a little. --Local hero 19:19, 26 November 2008 (EST)
It's really neat conversing with you. Well there is a very small amount of Art Deco. What do you mean about Chicago? I hate hockey too, hah, well I don't mind playing sometimes. Suburbs are very disgusting (unless they are inner urban ones). Yeah RenCen was unsuccessful, and despite good comments about it, well, it looks exactly like the Peachtree Westin down in Georgia! Not to mention it destroyed a Historical neighbourhood. Well if your wonderin how I know this stuff about Detroit there is this neat book Cities: Back from the edge and it talks about how RenCen destroyed downtown. For architectural styles, as said in Edmonton articles-you will mostly see Utilitarian, Brutalist, 1980s (that look a lot more modern), and recent development in modern. Although, there is a fair amount of 1910s architecture due to a boom back then. If you feel like, go in Central Edmonton and under architecture, see the pics of the buildings. Do any have interest towards you? Just wait 5 mins, I will upload 1 more. Is there anything else you like when visiting a city? Museums, shopping? Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:26, 26 November 2008 (EST).
By Chicago I mean buildings such as the Sears Tower, I think it looks ugly. The Ren Cen was designed by the same guy who did the Peachtree, but the Ren Cen is about one meter taller. I didn't know the building was built on an historic neighborhood. Do you know the name of it? I checked out the Central Edmonton and the Alberta Legislature building looks really nice. So do the Manulife Place, the Commerce Place, and the Beautiful Canada Place building. I read on Wikipedia that buildings in Edmonton can't be taller than 150 m, that kinda sucks. When I visit a city, I do not usually visit museums unless they are well-known. I also do not go for shopping either, but if I go to Edmonton I would have to visit the largest mall in North America. I also like parks, monuments, historic sites and neighborhoods, and whatever else the city is famous for. --Local hero 19:53, 26 November 2008 (EST)
Ah that's what you meant. Because that could mean it's historicaltecture or Sears Tower,etc. I don't believe i know the neighbourhood-idk. Buildings cannot be taller because of City Centre Airport. But depending on the area it can be between 80 m and 150 m. Although there are plans to close the airport aas it is underused and most people use the Int'l. Where is a picture of Manulife place on Wikitravel outside skyline and 1 aerial view? Commerce Place is really nice. So is Canada, but it destroyed a Histroic gem, although it was destroyed piece by piece so it can be rebuilt. Commerce and Manu surely don't look fro mthe 80s, eh//>? Oh boy, if you are going to be shopping in Edmonton if you go, please, please, please, please, don't just do West Ed. One thing, a part of it's hype is there is a lot of AMERICAN chains that arent prominent in Canada thatre there, which gets attejntion from Canadians. If you want a truely unique shopping area, Whyte ave on a sat afternoon is best. If you like up and coming areas 124 st and 104 st would be okay. If you like High end stores, try Manulife Place. Parks, eh? Well you are in luck with the largest parkland system in North america there is a lot of trails, sports and just plain parks in Edmonton. Theyre really cool. Monuments? Character neighbourhoods are listed in the article. Its tough to say which has most history and character-it is between Oliver, Downtown (all kinds of skyscrapers, parks, attractions, stuff to do, history, and even a few houses), and Old Strathcona. If you do not mind grit and somewhat crime, Boyle has the most history. The city is famous for festivals, and even if you arent a festival person, check one out you will change your mind. Best time is summer for the events. Some are quite unique. Definitely: Taste of Edmonton, Fringe Fest, Dragonboat fest, Works art&design, and Edmonton Gay Pride are the best. Oh and Heritage Days. There is also good skiing and golfing iof your into that. You should also try going to at least 1 independant theatre and 1 large theatre in the inner city for plays and indie-issh films. They're quite cool. Other than that, the science centre, Fort Ed, and Muttart are really coool. If your interested in skyline views, Gallagher Park or High Level Bridge are the best. Oh sorry its like i am planning your trip to edmonton...oops. What's your fav part about detroiiit? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:11, 26 November 2008 (EST).
I saw a picture of the Manulife Building on Wikipedia. I like outdoor shopping much better than going to malls, so Whyte Avenue sounds really cool. But, I still can't go to Edmonton and not see the mall. Although I do like high-end stores, I don't like high-end spending. Living in the D, you can't mind crime so I would definately visit Boyle cuz I am a history buff. All those festivals sound great, except for the gay pride one (I'm a Republican ;). Gallagher Park seems like a place I would spend a lot of time in because I love skyline views. Edmonton is definately going on the list of places I have to see before I die. My favorite part about Detroit? That's a tough question, but its probably the architecture. --Local hero 20:35, 26 November 2008 (EST)
oh lol. i am gonna get some better architecture pics. Yeah whyte ave is a hit, but at night its a little coocoo. Manulife might be worth a visit just to look. what do you think of 124 and 104 st? History buff-Boyle, Downtown, etc would be the best. What festivals seem most interesting? Gallagher is like a hidden gem, it's not really busy execept 1 festival. It is nice for a picnic in August though. Fall here is beautiful because you can see all the trees changing colour with the river valley it is utterly fantastic. What's the best buidling in Detroit? I also here it has a lotta theatre action, is that true? You'll have to pardon Edmonton during winter, as there isn't nearly as much festivals or people out and about, but there is still stuff to do. Edmonton doesn't have the vibrancy of NY or TO, but it is quite good for it's size/situation and only growing. Give it 10 years and it will be bustling year round. Even now is good though. The new art gallery and arena will only help. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:49, 26 November 2008 (EST).
Is there any images that appeal to you about Edmonton? Do you like the two of Gallagher Park? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 21:01, 26 November 2008 (EST).
Like I said, I like outdoor shopping so 124 and 104 streets would be cool too. The Dragonboat Fest seems interesting just by the name. Contrary to what I said above, the gay pride one sounds intriguing because we don't have anything like that in my neck-of-the-woods. Unless you have to be gay to go? The best building in Detroit, in my opinion, is the Guardian Building. In addition to the great architecture, it has an amazing interior. Detroit does have the largest theatre district in America outside of Broadway in NYC. The best is undoubtedly the Fox Theatre. If I visit Edmonton, it will be after a few years at the earliest, so by then Edmonton will probably have grown a lot. I like the first picture of the Central article. I also like the one of the Suite Hotel and Chateau Lacombe, the sunrise in Edmonton, and I love the first picture on the Edmonton page. I was just wondering, is Thanksgiving celebrated tomorrow in Canada? --Local hero 21:45, 26 November 2008 (EST)
Hay! Dragonboat is quite cool. You get to watch Chinese dragonboats do a race in the river. You don't need to be gay to go to the gay pride, it's more of a parade. Oh in 3yrs Edmonton is expected to have 790,000 city (752,000 now) and 1,145,000 metro (1,105,000 now). Thanksgiving in Canada is on the second monday in October. Is there anything else you find interesting of Eddy? Also, is there anything you'd find very interesting to see a photograph of? I really like the Greektown Casino u/c. It's kinna cool that DT is like a casino capital smaller yet very good like Al City and LV. Edmonton has 2 main theatre areas, and by far one of the best in Western canada. if you like science we have an awesome science centre. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:51, 26 November 2008 (EST).
Oh and I hope you are not bored with this. I hope you actuallyy find it interesting to be talking about this. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 10:06, 27 November 2008 (EST).
Youd also like High Level Bridge. It's three things 1) Really neat bridge , 2) Historic 3) Amazing skyline views.  :). Cariwest in August would be cool too, its a Carribean Parade. If you like farmers markets' Old Strathcona and City Market would be the best. You can try free samples and everything! Not to mention, it isnt just food. If you like food, you'd like Taste of Edmonton and Hertiage Days. They are both really cool and you can try all kinds of neat things you'd never try before. My biggest fear of people travelling to Edmonton is it not living up to the hype, which really shouldn't be the case, but you worry when you love a city. IMO-there is much more to do than Calgary, uts just the little stuff Calgary has it advertises well. Plus a lot of the stuff is on the major arterialsd where in Edmonton you have to do some searchin' ;). edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 14:00, 27 November 2008 (EST)/.
I wish Detroit was growing in population as much as Edmonton. Because of the trouble in the auto industry, people are moving to the southwest. Do Edmontonians and Calgarians get along? About how long does it take to get from Edmonton to Calgary (driving)? I would like to see a picture of the High Level Bridge, I'm not sure if there is already one on WikiTravel. The reason Detroit has casinos is because Windsor built one and got a lot of tourists, so Detroit built some to compete. The casinos bring a lot of revenue, which Detroit needs since our last mayor spent millions of taxpayers' money. I was never much of a theatre fan, but I do like science centers. Detroit has a great one too. I am not getting bored with this, its actually pretty interesting. As for food, I am very picky and tend to like my classic American hamburgers and hot dogs. But, I try to be open to new things. --Local hero 14:21, 27 November 2008 (EST)
Well, Edmonton isn't growing as much as it was. It just got out of a boom, but, even though people were jelly over Calgary getting more projects, but now we're like HAH as we aren't having projects cancelling and a lotta people leaving. We are much more stable. Oh, hun, don't even get me started on Cgy-Edm rivalry! Of course, I don't believe it. It all originated with the NHL-Calgary had a team, Edmonton had a team. Then when they played against each other it was BATTLE OF ALBERTA, and got people a rush . Then they started booing each other's city. Then, in the 80s when the major oil offices moved to Calgary and it's population surpassed Edmontons, we got a inferiority complex and are so jealous of Calgary, but Calgary is the same. Now each city, not necessarily hates, but takes pleasure in making fun of each other. Of course there is a lot of people who think it is silly or just don't care. Calgary to Edmonton is 3 hours, but you'll want to stop in Red Deer for food & gas, So 3 and a half hours. There isn't a High Level images on WT, although it isn't the most beautiful thing, it is historic and gets it's beauty through that. I'lla try and get a picture this weekend - we'll see. You seem to have strong interest in pre-War buildings. While Edmonton doesn't have too too much of that, Macleod Bay, Fairmont Hotel MacDonald, Boardwalk Building, Canadian Permanent Bank (the bank is defunct), Union Bank Inn are particular buildings that stand out. But if you go anywhere in the warehouse district or Boyle you'll see a bunch. You also like modern tecture, which like I said the 80s buildings look a lot more modern unlike ones from other places. Also we got some new stuff u/c. The new art gallery's gonna be done next year, which has a kind of Walt Dis Concert Hall look to it, very very modern. If you like brutalist/utilitarian (1947-1975) we have a ton of that because as oil was of shortage, we had a bunch and grew crazy. Our economy is much more diverse now. I have heard people who don't like plays and stuff of that type come to Edmonton and just go to one and like it (not like crazy, but like it). The Citadel or a small theatre would be cool. Hmm...anything else you'd find interesting to have a pic of? Anything you'd like to learn of Edmonton (or Calg, Alberta, Van, or Western Canada-I will try mah best)? Back to Detroit, so sad the city couldnt jus let Windsor have it. Ah well, at least you guys arent in the poopie financially. In your opinion-what is the biggest success and biggest flaw of Detroit? I find it crazy your city is decreasing population yet your metro is growing. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:45, 27 November 2008 (EST).
Also, if you'd go to Whyte Avenue, you'd mind as well go to 104 St (not the same one as the one downtown) just a block north between Whyte and 83 Avenue as it has some stylish clothing stores at medium prices (indie, hip hop, skater, urban, scene - basically young styles). If you like books, the best one is Audrey's downtown on 107 St and Jasper and has the best architecture section by far. I know you dont' like shopping much, but shopping is one of Edmonton's best, so, what type of stuff do you like to shop for? Then I can tell you the best ones (guarantee Whyte ave and west ed would still be on your list). By the way, Whyte Avenue is in Old Strathcona, south of the river, not downtown, in case you didn't know. Where's the best urban shopping in detroit? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:57, 27 November 2008 (EST).
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Do you like this building?

Also-wondering if you'd like me to upload 5 images of just nothing in particular of downtown Edmonton. Just shots made random???? lleemme knwo, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:19, 27 November 2008 (EST).

Sure, I like random shots. I have a question about Edmonton: does it have any subway, elevated rail, or something of that sort? About Detroit, its biggest success would be all the renovation projects of its historic buildings. While we haven't seen many new construction projects, we have seen several renovations of older buildings like the Book Cadillac. The biggest flaws are its leaders. Back to Edmonton, I'm not much of a reader, but I would visit Audrey's if the architecture is worth seeing. I don't go shopping for a specific reason, I just browse and see what I like. Detroit has no malls, but Campus Martius Park has some nice stores. --Local hero 00:22, November 2008 (EST)
Edmonton has a lot of malls because unlike Americ Cities the suburbs are within city limits (mostly). Well sees that you didn't read much of the Edmonton article-for transit there is a bus network and a fast growing LRT. There is also a trolley. Audrye's not only has a nice architecture book selectoin but its in this charming old building. If/when ya come to the city, you'd probably get a sense that it isn't "there" yet but it's up and coming. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 00:27, 28 November 2008 (EST).
Is ther anything else you'd like to know? Does it seem appealing? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:06, 28 November 2008 (EST).
I can't think of any other questions right now, but if I think one I'll be sure to ask you. Edmonton does seem appealing. Its a place I definately want to visit (thanks to you). --Local hero 22:09, 28 November 2008 (EST)
Hey, np! I will upload some photos tomo. And thanks to ya, detroit is appealing! edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:48, 28 November 2008 (EST).

If you are interested, Talk:Edmonton I uploaded some new photos. I ' d love your comment. keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:01, 29 November 2008 (EST).

Could you help me with Edmonton's CotM next month? I know you aren't familiar with the city but some of it is really simple. If you just look there may be grammar errors or missing addresses that you could look up on google maps, etc.? Couja help please? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:58, 15 December 2008 (EST).

Sure, I'll help as much as I can. --Local hero 15:59, 16 December 2008 (EST)
Thank you and I'm glad you've started already - remember it is in January. Anyways, I appreciate your edits and hope to see more, but I want to reword some of the one's you've done. If you feel like, go ahead and chat on some things YOU THINK need changing, or stuff already brought up. Thank you & keep smilin, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:43, 16 December 2008 (EST).

I want to thank you![edit]

local hero, i want to thank-you for all your good work on the detroit articles. IT DOES NOT GO UNNOTICED. your work is splendid and i know you've been putting a lot of effort into it. keep up the good work ;)! Edmontonenthusiast 22:00, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. --Local hero 1:01, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
No problem, I do mean it though :)! Edmontonenthusiast 01:03, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah I know. And, by the way, I hope to see Detroit on the list of cities you like. --Local hero 1:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
Heh, I will admit, a year ago I did hate Detroit. But back then I didn't know much about the city, besides people's perception. Over the past little while, I have started learning more about Detroit (and Ohio cities) and I was astounded about Detroits crime (in that it being low) and that it's downtown is really coming back to life. It is truely fascinating a city-The Paris of America-hehe. I have a question for you, how do you keep up with all that editing over time?  ?It sure does seem like a lot of work ;), and I am wondering because I am doing this with Edmonton, and it is abit overwhelming. Do you have some tips, how do you cope with doing it by yourself? If I can, I will help you with Detroit ;)! Edmontonenthusiast 01:28, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
There are two things that make me edit a lot. One is that I basically have no life. Another is that Detroit is my hometown and I want to try to do my part to get rid of its bad image. WikiTravel is very addicting, so most of the time I don't even realize how much time has passed. I don't really mind doing it by myself, but I would always accept help. --Local hero 1:38, 26 October (EDT)
Cool, it's so nice seeing you so dedicated to your city. In fact, I believe it was a month ago, probably your edit, that made me belive (from WT) that Detroit was a safe city. THANKS for changin' my perspective. The one thing i don't like about Detroit is the RenCen and environ's. Other than that, it's quite the beautiful place :)! Edmontonenthusiast 01:43, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

Thought, since you live in DETROIT, you should get out and take some photographs, I see that is lacking! Keep smiling ,ee talk 21:35, 14 November 2008 (EST).

You're right, it is lacking. But, I don't have a digital camera and I don't know how to upload. Lately, I've been trying to figure out how to do that stuff. But I was wondering if you knew how to create maps? I see Edmonton has a nice one. --Local hero 21:46, 14 November 2008 (EDT)
Digital cams-you can get one for cheap!!!!! Yes it is lacking! Uploading is easy, go to Wikitravel Shared and upload it from there. Just fill in everything properly. Yes Edmonton does have pretty good maps, but the flattery you should give to User:PerryPlanet and User:Shaund as I gave them ALL the information and then they put it to the map (even though, particularily Shaund, knows some about Ed)! But yeah! Maybe consult Perry for a downtown map of Det or something, but I wouldn't ask for too many! Keep smiling, ee talk 21:53, 14 November 2008 (EST).
Alright, thanks. I'll ask Perry then. All I need right now is one map for the main page to show the districts. --Local hero 22:00, 14 November 2008 (EDT)
WAIT! Perry usually only does in city maps like of a district, neighbourhood or a transportation map of the city. For a district overview map-ask either Shaund, Sertmann, or Peter Fitzgerald. They'd probably do the best work. But remember they may not say yes. Sertmann probably won't becasue he's just starting. You could ask perry though. Keep smiling, ee talk 22:14, 14 November 2008 (EST).
Oh, OK then. I'll ask one of them. --Local hero 22:41, 14 November 2008 (EDT)
Scroll down to districts, but if you want to sample some of these people's work...Shaund did Vancouver, Edmonton. Peter did Chicago and a few others. Perry did Seattle and San Francisco and som others. Sertmann did Copenhagen. Obviosuly there is two styles to maps colouration, and you need to decide that before you ask. Keep smiling, ee talk 22:46, 14 November 2008 (EST).

Yur Banner[edit]

How did you get that cool banner on your up? It looks so cool!!!! Keep smiling, ee talk 12:34, 4 November 2008 (EST).

On Wikipedia, I came across a userpage with this banner. I liked it so I put it on my userpage. --Local hero 15:14, 4 November 2008 (EDT)
Cool. Is there a special code? Well um ceheck my user page and in the contents go under huge city consistently updated thing - i gave mention to ya! Keep smilinhg, ee talk 15:24, 4 November 2008 (EST).
No there is no code. Just copy and paste it from mine and you can also change the colors if you want. I saw your userpage, thanks for including me in that. --Local hero 15:32, 4 November 2008 (EDT)
Not problem. Check again-i personalized that thing ! keep smiling, ee talk 15:35, 4 November 2008 (EST).

cotm[edit]

Did a cotm nom for Detroit. Checker out! Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 21:56, 17 November 2008 (EST).

Thanks a lot. I didn't even know that existed. Its especially helpful now because my computer won't turn on, so my internet access is limited. --Local hero 22:04, 17 November 2008 (EDT)
You should add exactly what you need. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:04, 22 November 2008 (EST).

docent[edit]

Heya, you sure seem to know a whole crap load of stuff about Detroit, have ya considered being a Wikitravel:Docents? Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 14:36, 22 November 2008 (EST).

Thanks for telling me about this, I just became one for Detroit. --Local hero 14:57, 22 November 2008 (EDT)
Ayyy No Problem! Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 15:03, 22 November 2008 (EST).

Deleting[edit]

Hey, LH, sorry if you don't want my comment, I just saw your comment in Cacahuates talk pg. I recently learned how to merge. You take one of the two, and move it to requested new name. Take the other move everything from it into the new one and then make that wone redirect to the new one. I think that is what you are after. Hope this helps. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:24, 7 December 2008 (EST).

Thanks for the advice. I'll do it this way. --Local hero 12:46, December 2008 (EST)

Revision of Districts[edit]

I'd love your opinion at the bottom of Talk:Edmonton because your input is great. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 14:26, 21 December 2008 (EST).

Districts[edit]

Is this the detroit districts ? Image:Dt,mi.pngedmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 14:57, 21 December 2008 (EST).

You've got Downtown and the Midtown-New Center right. Southwest Detroit extends from downtown all the way down to Dearborn and Melvindale, along the river. The only thing wrong with the East Side is that you forgot Belle Isle. Northwest Detroit extends from Highland Park to the border with Redfrod Township. Hamtramck-Highland Park is just those two cities. Thanks a lot for taking the time to do this. Especially since you got the Edmonton CotM next month. --Local hero 16:06, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Hey, no probelem. Though I won't be doing the district map, I just wanted to know for myself the districts, and for you, so you could give someone you wanted to do a district map this. So for both me and you. Actually, with the new CotM format, I am still hoping Edmonton will be next month, but it isn't for sure. Maybe voice your opinion on it inCotm but make sure you read all the info first. Thanks. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:44, 22 December 2008 (EST).

Thanks[edit]

Thank you for cleaning up that guys edits in Detroit. He seems to mean well, but just unfamiliar of the way we format and the actual districts. Thanks. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:28, 23 December 2008 (EST).

I should thank you as well. Yeah, he's done a lot of Detroit-related work on Wikipedia. Anyway, Merry Christmas to you, yours, and all in beautiful Edmonton, Alberta! --Local hero 18:35, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Hey thanks for the lovely response. What do you want to thank me for? Merry Christmas to you, and hope Detroit is lovely on Christmas for you and Detroiters to enjoy. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:42, 23 December 2008 (EST).
I thank you for also cleaning up some of his edits. --Local hero 18:50, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Ah, lol. You are welcome. Merry ho ho, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:51, 23 December 2008 (EST).

Merry Christmas[edit]

Hi Local hero! It sure has been nice learning about you a bit and your favourite city. I want to thank you for the support and lovely questions on Edmonton, and I hope I wasn't too anoying. All the best with you and Detroit in the New Year! Happy holidays, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:40, 25 December 2008 (EST).

Thank you very much. You have not been annoying at all. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, and Happy New Year to all in Edmonton, a city that I will hopefully visit sometime. --Local hero 13:03, 25 December 2008 (EST)
Aww...ahaha thank you for your kind words. Merry Christmas and here's to no break ins :)! Happy holidays, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:06, 25 December 2008 (EST).

To be apart of Metro or not[edit]

As Thomas really seems to disagree on the whole "Metro area" should not be in Detroit kind of thing, why don't we open up discussion in the proper place, meaning: Talk:Detroit as it would discuss each district. Also, hope you had a great Christmas. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 14:53, 27 December 2008 (EST).

Okay. Thanks for participating in this dispute. I did have a great Christmas, thanks for asking. Hope you had a good one too. --Local hero 14:57, 27 December 2008 (EST)
Hey you are welcome. Haven't been to the city, but with your happiness towards it, it seems like a cool place and i try to ckeep it on the radar in this site. Glad you had a good Christmas, as did I. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 21:24, 28 December 2008 (EST).

District map for Detroit[edit]

Detroit districts map

Sure, I'd be happy to help with the Detroit effort. I can't promise I'll get to it any time soon, though—I've got a bunch of other projects lined up first. --Peter Talk 02:39, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Thanks. Take as much time as you need. --Local hero 16:32, 30 December 2008 (EST)
The map is nearly ready (here's a draft image), but I need street boundaries for Midtown-New Center, East Side, Southwest Side, & Northwest Side. Give me an idea of those street boundaries and I'll finish this in a jiffy. --Peter Talk 16:18, 2 February 2009 (EST)
Midtown-New Center is bounded by I-75 to the east, M-10 to the west, I-94 to the south, and Highland Park to the north. The East Side doesn't have any strict boundaries, but for the map's sake just make it everything south of I-94 and east of I-75 (including Belle Isle). The Southwest Side is everything south of Michigan Avenue and west of M-10. The Northwest Side is bordered to the north by 8 Mile, to the east by Woodward Avenue and Highland Park, to the west by the city of Redford. For the southern border of the Northwest Side, use I-96 but it eventually goes toward downtown, so just pretend that I-96 keeps going east into southern Highland Park, instead of going south onto West Grand, and use that as the southern border. I hope the latter makes sense. Thanks again for taking the time to make this map. I haven't the slightest idea how to make one. Thanks! --Local hero 15:57, 3 February 2009 (EST)
OK, I think I followed those directions faithfully and updated the draft map (you might have to refresh your talk page to see it). There are still large "gap areas," which I've darkened. Do you mean to leave those parts of the city outside of the Detroit districts system? --Peter Talk 16:29, 3 February 2009 (EST)
I messed up on the southern border of Midtown-New Center; its I-75, not I-96. Sorry. As for the other dark areas, there isn't much to do or see in those parts of the city. But I could probably find some hidden gems even I don't know about. So extend the East Side to include the huge dark spot east of Woodward and north of I-94. Make the last dark spot West Side. I'll create that article today or tomorrow. That should take care of just about everything. Thanks again! --Local hero 16:53, 3 February 2009 (EST)
Got it. So West Side will be a new article, then? --Peter Talk 17:41, 3 February 2009 (EST)
Yup. --Local hero 17:57, 3 February 2009 (EST)
OK, I might have it done now, and have updated the map once more. The one area I'm not sure about is the little triangle between Michigan Ave, I-75, and M-10. Should that be in the West Side, or the Southwest Side? (Right now I have it as West Side.) And if you'd like to establish an exact street boundary between the Northwest and West Sides east of I-96, just give me the word. Also, should I put up any other suburb names? --Peter Talk 18:18, 3 February 2009 (EST)
Add that triangle to Southwest Side. Make the border line between the West Side and Northwest Side West Davidson, which is similar to what the border is now. The only other suburbs that shoud be added are Dearborn and Grosse Pointe. --Local hero 18:30, 3 February 2009 (EST)
OK, I think this is done now. I'll add it to the article. --Peter Talk 19:12, 3 February 2009 (EST)
And if I haven't said so before, thanks for all the work you've been doing on Detroit—I'm always meaning to go back for another visit, and with all this new info I'll be sure to have a good time! --Peter Talk 19:23, 3 February 2009 (EST)
The map looks great! Thanks again. And I hope you enjoy your future visit. --Local hero 14:45, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Warningbox[edit]

Hey, I merged the two districts on the map (although it might take a refresh to see that). Regarding that warningbox discussion, the other user is clearly being provocative and insulting towards you, but I would encourage you not to respond regardless. Best not to be drawn into unproductive tit-for-tats, and I'm happy to moderate (and revert) any extreme edits. Hopefully something productive will come of this, and I think some useful (rather than "scare-people-off") stay safe sections in districts would be useful. Even in the very safe areas, stay safe information can be very useful in assuaging unwarranted fears. A good example of this is here—I'm always at pains to think of a charitable explanation why the university students fear Hyde Park. --Peter Talk 20:26, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks! You're probably right about ignoring the 'tit-for-tats'. I'll take a look at the "stay safe" section and shed some light on the bad sides of Detroit if its not in there already. Thanks for the advice. Local hero 21:00, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

DOTM[edit]

Just looking through the articles in Detroit, it looks like a solid bunch of articles. Would you like to nominate it for Destination of the Month?edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:31, 17 May 2009 (EDT).

I was about to, but it says that the article should have an article status of 'guide' or 'star'. Detroit's status is 'usable'. I do think that the article should be at least a guide though. Oh, and welcome back! Local hero 15:42, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
Thanks. For the main page to be a guide all the districts need to be usable, so make sure that is there first then bring it up to guide. Then please nominate it, it would be a great choice for DOTM. I recently nominated Portland (OR) which I also think would be great a DOTM (just needs some more photos), so many great articles here on WT. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 21:00, 20 May 2009 (EDT).
The downtown district is a guide and Midtown-New Center is usable, but the other four are all outlines. The East Side seems pretty close to usable status, and the Southwest Side isn't bad either. Hamtramck-Highland Park needs more work, and the West Side needs a lot more work. Local hero 20:46, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

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