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P.S. I posted the same comment on the [[:ja:Wikitravel:旅人の居酒屋#Wikitravel is upgraded|ja: Traveler’s Pub]].--[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] ([[User talk:Shoestring|talk]]) 11:36, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
 
P.S. I posted the same comment on the [[:ja:Wikitravel:旅人の居酒屋#Wikitravel is upgraded|ja: Traveler’s Pub]].--[[User:Shoestring|Shoestring]] ([[User talk:Shoestring|talk]]) 11:36, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
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: Hi Shoestring! Thank you for leaving me this message. Let's continue this discussion on [[:ja:Wikitravel:旅人の居酒屋#Wikitravel is upgraded|ja: Traveler’s Pub]] as more people will be able to see it and possibly reply. Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 15:46, 7 April 2014 (EDT)

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Here are archived discussions on my Talk Page.

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External Links & References on Cancun page

Hey Alex

After deleting my entry on some transportation providers info under 'Cancun, Getting In, By Plane' you wrote, "Please don't add generic listings to our guides as they don't meet our External links guidance. We don't want Wikitravel to become yellow pages. Thank you for understanding!"

Which doesn't make sense because if you scroll down to the "Sleeping", "Drinking", and "Dining" sections on the same page, you see the similar type of generic listings that looks like the "yellow pages". Basically you already have that kind of "generic listings" on that same page and elsewhere on Wikitravel. So what's the difference & what's the exception???

I used to post on Lonely Planet's Thorntree forum and the question of getting from the Cancun Airport into town gets asked a lot over there which I suspect many are looking for the same information on here as well, hence why I took the trouble to list them out. The airport website (www.asur.com.mx) doesn't clearly list that kind of information and it be nice for people to see what's available to get them from the airport to the hotel, what level or class of service is offered, and for how much money. Some may even want to book their ride in advance of going there and go straight to their transport provider once they get there. Yes that can be googled but the information returned is bewildering and confusing especially to someone who is not familiar with the area and have no clue what's available to them. Some of the sites that come up on a google search are ready to take your order but they can be sketchy to give your credit card number to so I provided that information in a controlled and filtered fashion based on my observations when I went there.—The preceding comment was added by Anyone150 (talkcontribs)

Hello Anyone150! Thank for asking. I suggest reading our External links policies, especially the section What not to link to. Thank you! IBAlex (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2014 (EDT)

External Links on Guam page

hey Alex, Thanks for your email re: the Guam page. Just curious, though.

I had listed my tourguide service as a "To Do" listing to the page as I've seen done on many pages on the Wikitrave.org sitel. I can totally understand the hotel listings, as this is a vital part of travel.

My question is: If bars and restaurants (not a vital part of travel :-) or primary sources of information) can have a phone number and link on a page (see below from Guam page), why not a tour guide service or (the only) booking agent for a newly developing region ?

Talofofo Island Sunrise Cafe, 286 Chalan Canton Ladera, Talofofo Guam 96915 (Traversed the island down Rte 4 to the three-way intersection above Talofofo Bay. Turn right and go up the hill past Notre Dame High School and drive past two bus-stops (both on the right), then turn right at the Island Sunrise Cafe sign (you'll see signs guiding you along the way). You'll find this lovely hideaway perched up on the cliff line offering one of the island's most breath-taking coastal vistas.), ☎ 989-5071, [2]. 8am-8pm closed on Wednesday. Local cuisine and BBQ. As an added bonus breakfast is served from 8am-8pm. $5-$10.. edit [edit]Tumon Buddies Billiards and Brew, (Behind Tick Tock), ☎ 649-CUES (2837). edit Bully’s Bar & Grill, (1F of The Plaza), ☎ 649-2389. edit Cafe Havana, (Hyatt Regency Guam Resort), ☎ 64SALSA (647-2572). edit Casa Nami, San Vitores Rd (Across from Pacific Islands Club, 2F), ☎ 646-NAMI. edit [edit][add listing]Sleep —The preceding comment was added by Jamaicaninchina (talkcontribs)

Hi Jamaicaninchina! I'm glad you asked about that. Please know that in general we do not list tours in our articles. We only make exceptions for tours that constitute a value-added activity or if they are essential to visit a certain area. So for example we would list a helicopter tour of NYC, or in Panmunjeom where they are required by law. The policy disallows listings for most audio tours, walking tours, and guided tours since the substance of such tours can generally be fulfilled by an independent traveller, and the information provided on such tours should ideally be included in the appropriate Wikitravel article. Please see more info here.
Listings for restaurants or bars are essential parts of our guides. And then when you create a listing for a particular restaurant we advise users to add an official website of the restaurant as well which becomes a primary source of information. This is all written in our policy pages.
Also, small hint- when you leave a message on the talk page, please know that you should sign your posts by using ~~~~. This will help us keep the conversation organized. Let me know if you have any more questions. If not, happy editing! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:14, 7 March 2014 (EST)

Miami- South Beach

Hello Alex,

I kindly ask that you read the discussion on Binbin's page under "Miami- South Beach" as to the reasoning for adding the tours. An independent traveler would never be able to create a similar experience on their own. The vast majority of South Beach history on the Internet, including Wikitravel, is downright wrong in many instances. Removing the touring options from South Beach is doing a disservice to Wikitravel visitors. --DNevens (talk) 14:06, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

DNevens, first of all, discussions about tours should be carried out in the article talk pages. Then a consensus should be reached by community if we should put them back to the article or not. As I said, I started a discussion about it already. Second of all, I still believe that the tour listed there do not constitute a value-added activity and visitors could fulfill the substance of the tour on their own. I'd rather see you describing the SoBe attractions in the article so that our users can read about them on Wikitravel, print our guide and do the tour on their own. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:12, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

Alex, I'm not exactly sure how many people will be chiming in since the only discussion page edit there besides mine was from 2008. I'll say again, there's no way anyone can replicate one of the tours on their own. The only way it might be possible is if they wheeled around a shopping cart full of books, and even then they would be hard pressed to comprehend all of what they saw.

If I plopped you down in front of an Art Deco building and said "Okay, tell me about it" would you be able to point out the different architectural elements, or why those elements were used? Would you be able to say who built it, and what significance that architect had on South Beach?

Even if you went to a notable landmark like the Versace Mansion, would you know more than Gianni Versace owned it and was gunned down on the steps? Would you know when it was built? (it wasn't 1993,) Who built the main building? (it wasn't Versace,) What it originally was? (it was an apartment complex,) When Versace bought it? (It was actually 1992,) What he put into the property? The major showdown between him and preservationist? The heated dispute after his death between his partner and the rest of his family? Would you know that the mansion was foreclosed upon and it is no longer owned by Peter Loftin?

The answer to all questions is "probably not" because 1) there is nothing in South Beach a visitor could look at and get that type of information from, and 2) Even if I update the Wikitravel article to include the correct information, there's no way I can cover all the important sites, and people without it becoming an incredibly long, long, looooooong article. Even with a long article, I still cannot physically point out things like architectural elements.

I understand the Wikitravel touring policy; however, an exception should be made because the policy's description does not fit with what people are able to do in South Beach vs other destinations. --DNevens (talk) 14:44, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

DNevens, I understand your point and I know that you can get all this detailed info during a tour, no matter if this is Miami, Los Angeles or Barcelona. That's the beauty of the tour business. However, as mentioned before, we do not list walking tours or audio tours in our guides unless they have an extra value. We list attractions (section See) or things to do in the area (section Do) and then we leave it up to the user what he or she wants to do and see. If an user is interested in an additional walking tour in the area, she/he would do a Google search to find info about it. However, I'm highlighting it again, info about general walking tours should not be included in our guides. I hope it's clear. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:15, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

You're the boss. I will say that if you plan on visiting South Beach, hang on to the links. If you go off what is listed on the Wikitravel page, not only will you be missing a tremendous amount of what South Beach has to offer, but you'll also be getting a lot of incorrect, and/or outdated information. Best of luck with the site. --DNevens (talk) 16:29, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

DNevens, we leave it up to the community, therefore I started a discussion on the talk page for users to voice their opinions. Please know that all this is in a good faith for the traveler. Wikitravel aims to be a complete travel guide - not just an additional resource therefore we prefer to have all the necessary info on the page. This has been always our goal therefore I'm holding into it. Best, IBAlex (talk) 16:34, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

Re Poto Tano

Hi Alex

Yes, Poto Tano is just a dot on the map so I added a little more info that is relevant to people who might wash up there and have to wait for a ferry. There are a lot of photos and articles about my motorcycle travels in Sumbawa here [1]and here [2] - look under the "Indonesia Ride reports" in the forums.21:32, 18 March 2014 (EDT)Merantau (talk)

Hi Merantau! Thank you for your message! I slightly edited the Poto Tano article so that it follows our WT template. Please feel free to add more sections. Also, do you have pictures you would like to share in our articles? It seems to me that you travel a lot so it would be great if you could upload pictures to our articles. Do you know how to do it? If not I would be happy to explain it.
I also had a look at your motorcycle blog. Would you be interested in creating an itinerary about this topic? That would be a great addition to our guides! If you need some help how to do it, please let me know. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:05, 19 March 2014 (EDT)

Re Scotland articles

Hi, Alex

I'm glad to see that someone appreciates my updates! I'm just trying to improve Wikitravel as much as I can - I've actually been to most of the places that I have updated. Regarding the mug, I'll send you an email regarding my address using the last email address you sent me. Sorry I haven't got back to you earlier - I've been busy with my studies, oh and travelling of course! Regards, Scarwood (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2014 (BST)

Conjunction words in the Phrasebook

Hello. A little question: i have noticed a short discussion on a "Phrasebook template discussion page" about whether the conjunction words should be listed. It seems like an agreement was met to list several words but they are absent in a current template. Not my business, just i could list some of them for practical reasons here. I slightly edited this page and discovered that people were using it indeed: it probably was a source of common incorrect pronunciation among many foreigners for many years :) . So i fixed those inaccuracies and could easily add some extra practical words (like conjunction words and/or translations of certain tourist objects like, say, street, shop, building, church), but since they are not included into the template i don't want to make such edits without your assent. --Local (talk) 05:11, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

Hi Local! True! Conjunction words were definitely needed. I just added them to the template so feel free to add them as well to the Lithuanian phrasebook. For the other words (including adjectives mentioned on the talk page) we would need to reach a consensus. Please feel free to start a new discussion about it on the Wikitravel talk:Phrasebook template. Thanks again for bringing it to my attention! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 19:19, 3 April 2014 (EDT)
Good, thanks for reply. Adjectives, i somehow don't think they are that essential, i was thinking about certain nouns that can be found everywhere, e.g as a part of street address, on the plates, on the maps, namely: house, building, street, shop. They are related to the sections "Eating", "Driving", "Shopping", "Lodging". I mean, related indirectly, they are sort of "basics" in a daily life for everyone. Actually my impression is that everybody were discussing about the flies but missed the elephant :D . But if certain consensus is neeeded for that i'd better ignore it - so far nobody complained, so probably nobody needed them :) . I am supporter of the short text, short explanations etc, so if some things are missing it doesn't necessarily mean that this is wrong. --Local (talk) 06:59, 4 April 2014 (EDT)

ja: Geocoding system seems to be disabled

Hi Alex, thank you for your efforts toward the routine maintenance for ja: and other language pages.

Well, I checked ja: pages today and noticed that the maps (which excerpts from google maps, yahoo maps to WT) are not displayed correctly. I don't know what's going on exactly, but I think it is probably because the Geocoding system in the WT are temporarily disabled, along with the mediawiki upgrade last week. On ja: pages, two types of the Geocoding related tags, i.e. {{geo|lat=|long=}} and {{Maps|lat=|long=}} are both malfunctioned so far.

Could you check the system and debug them, please?

P.S. I posted the same comment on the ja: Traveler’s Pub.--Shoestring (talk) 11:36, 5 April 2014 (EDT)

Hi Shoestring! Thank you for leaving me this message. Let's continue this discussion on ja: Traveler’s Pub as more people will be able to see it and possibly reply. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:46, 7 April 2014 (EDT)

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