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==Re: [[Barcelona]] page==
 
==Re: [[Barcelona]] page==
 
Hi Alex, thanks for contacting me, it's great to hear from you again!  As requested, I've written a detailed analysis in response to the discussion you started [http://wikitravel.org/en/Talk:Barcelona#Walking_tours_and_individual_listings here].  I hope it helps! :) [[User:BarcelonaExpert|BarcelonaExpert]] ([[User talk:BarcelonaExpert|talk]]) 20:11, 13 May 2013 (EDT)
 
Hi Alex, thanks for contacting me, it's great to hear from you again!  As requested, I've written a detailed analysis in response to the discussion you started [http://wikitravel.org/en/Talk:Barcelona#Walking_tours_and_individual_listings here].  I hope it helps! :) [[User:BarcelonaExpert|BarcelonaExpert]] ([[User talk:BarcelonaExpert|talk]]) 20:11, 13 May 2013 (EDT)
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: Thank you, [[User:BarcelonaExpert|BarcelonaExpert]]! I have just read your response, thank you for all the details! I will let TonyB take part in this discussion before making a decision on how to proceed in this case. And I am happy to hear that you like the pictures I have added. We wanted the article to look as good as possible as it's our '''May Destination of the Month''' :) Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 20:59, 13 May 2013 (EDT)

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Fixed image widths

I was a little concerned about this edit of yours http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Singapore&curid=773&diff=1999726&oldid=1999264

It's great to add some pretty pictures but I think you need to remember that all our casual readers have their page width reduced by the adverts that appear on the right and many may have slow connections or narrow screens.

That's partly why we have these policies: http://wikitravel.org/shared/Image_policy#Minimal_use_of_images and http://wikitravel.org/shared/Image_policy#Image_sizes and this advice: Wikitravel:How_to_add_an_image#Sizing

What do you think are the chances of this proposal being implemented: Wikitravel:Travellers'_pub#Default_image_sizes_in_Thumbnails?

I've only changed the specification of the lead image, but you may want to consider removing the fixed width of 400px from the other images in our Singapore article after you have read the references above - especially as Singapore currently has star status, meaning it should comply with all our current policies!. --118dot93dot73dot30 15:10, 1 March 2013 (EST)

IT is looking at Wikitravel:Travellers'_pub#Default_image_sizes_in_Thumbnails proposal. personally, i think it's a great idea. Thanks! IBAlex 15:13, 1 March 2013 (EST)
Thanks for the quick response and I will keep my fingers crossed that this is quickly implemented. --118dot93dot73dot30 15:17, 1 March 2013 (EST)

Template:Panorama

The spam filter does not allow me to create a template to facilitate the display of panorama style images on small screen widths. Here is the code which needs to replace the current truncated code:

<includeonly> <div class="thumbinner"><div class="overflowbugx">[[File:{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}|alt={{{alt|}}}|{{#switch:{{{3}}} |thumb |thumbnail |frame |border={{{1}}} |#default={{{3|}}}}}]]</div>{{ #if: {{{3|}}}|<div class="thumbcaption">{{Magnify icon|link=File:{{{1}}} }}<!-- -->{{{3}}}</div>|}} </div></div></includeonly> <noinclude> This template is intended to add a panorama type image with a slider, caption and an "enlarge" widget </noinclude>

Thanks for your anticipated assistance. --118dot93dot73dot30 20:55, 5 March 2013 (EST)

Hi! Thanks! I tried to create this template but didn't manage to do that. I copy and pasted the code to Template:Panorama, is that what you were asking for? Thanks again! IBAlex 21:02, 5 March 2013 (EST)
I've had to revert your edit because it was not formatted properly. The problem is that the spam filter does not even allow me to show you the correct code here. Perhaps you can check the filter and see the code that I am trying to add?
I need to add style="overflzw:autz;"> just after the current part (that I managed to add) that says: <div class="overflowbugx" where the two occurrences of the letter "z" for Zulu expressed in code format are replaced by the letter "o" for Oscar. --118dot93dot73dot30 22:24, 5 March 2013 (EST)
That's the filter that prevents from using "Wikiv****e"....sorry :) IBAlex 20:15, 6 March 2013 (EST)
I don't think so. (That one's "Salem's Lot", I think). Why should the spam filter object to "overflow" and "auto" separated by a colon in a line of code? --118dot93dot73dot30 21:40, 6 March 2013 (EST)
If this helps in any way, here is what I see when I examine your edit at the Abuse Filter Log. IBAlex 13:23, 7 March 2013 (EST)
Yes, that was an earlier attempt of mine that had some unnecessary explanatory commentary that was not really needed. In that case, the spam filter did the job it was designed to do. However, in that instance it highlighted the 'spam" that offended against the rule. However I still can not use the offending phrase "(censored) overflow:auto" because it offends against the rule:

-> 'style( )*\=( )*(\"|')?overflow( )*\:( )*auto'

Can you find this edit to your user page in the log? --118dot93dot73dot30 16:39, 7 March 2013 (EST)

I see right now that the problem was not with the Abuse filter but with the [Wikitravel:Local spam blacklist|Spam Filter]. I removed the 'style( )*\=( )*(\"|')?overflow( )*\:( )*auto' phrase and this let me add the code to the Template:Panorama. I did this in good faith and now I am only wondering why this phrase was on the black list before. I would hate to do something that will harm WT.
Please let me know if with this template we can already put panoramic pictures in the articles. Thanks! IBAlex 18:32, 7 March 2013 (EST)

We made it, Alex! You can see the (working) result of the new {{panorama}} template here: User:118dot93dot73dot30/Test & here; I'm particularly gratified to see that the width of the displayed panorama box reduces its width automagically (at least with my XP and Linux Firefox browsers) if the window or tab width is decreased. Try it!

That overflow phrase can be powerful, so, if you are unable to assign any special editing privileges to me, it might be wiser to restore the local spam filter to what it was now we've got it working. It will be difficult and tedious for me to introduce new templates here if I keep running into this sort of problem, though... --118dot93dot73dot30 19:04, 7 March 2013 (EST)

Congratulations! Very good job! I'm happy that we can have panoramic images now on WT! IBAlex 21:47, 7 March 2013 (EST)
I restored the blacklisted phrase, thank you for suggestion! Which other templates are you thinking of creating?
I'll just create them if and when I find them useful. For example, I just got rather fed up using a lot of repetitive HTML when I have been trying to modify and clarify tdf a bit so I've just created Template:ol for colouring the good exemplars Template:Ol. Since your spam filters are so ferocious and restrictive it will not be possible to create anything really complicated or useful - unless you want to create a special category of users trusted not to spam you... --118dot93dot73dot30 22:06, 8 March 2013 (EST)
The filters are much needed here on WT as they help us fight spam and vandalism. Feel free to reach out to me anytime you have problems with them. I am here to help. As for now we are not thinking about creating any additional special category.
We highly appreciate your contributions here, thank you!
Congratulations! Very good job! I'm happy that we can have panoramic images now on WT! IBAlex 21:47, 7 March 2013 (EST)
I restored the blacklisted phrase, thank you for suggestion! Which other templates are you thinking of creating?
I'll just create them if and when I find them useful. For example, I just got rather fed up using a lot of repetitive HTML when I have been trying to modify and clarify tdf a bit so I've just created Template:ol for colouring the good exemplars Template:Ol. Since your spam filters are so ferocious and restrictive it will not be possible to create anything really complicated or useful - unless you want to create a special category of users trusted not to spam you... --118dot93dot73dot30 22:06, 8 March 2013 (EST)
The filters are much needed here on WT as they help us fight spam and vandalism. Feel free to reach out to me anytime you have problems with them. I am here to help. As for now we are not thinking about creating any additional special category.
We highly appreciate your contributions here, thank you!

I'm afraid your filters are making it impossible for me to do any useful work here.

Check the filter logs for my recent edits that were forbidden please.

Just now I wanted to test a new article title display format to avoid the problem of having a very thin lead paragraph squeezed between an infobox and a table of contents but was stopped again.

Please replace display:THWARTED with display:nOVEMBER(no space between the 4 letters and don't use the capitalised parts of the NATO spelling alphabet)oSCAR(no space between the 4 letters and don't use the capitalised parts of the NATO spelling alphabet)nOVEMBER(no space between the 4 letters and don't use the capitalised parts of the NATO spelling alphabet)eCHO, wherever it occurs below, and then substitute the proper code for the current first line at South Island/Title Template, please:

{{DISPLAYTITLE:<span style="display:THWARTED">{{FULLPAGENAME}}</span>}} --118dot93dot73dot30 18:45, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

Please would you favour me with a reply to the above request? --118dot93dot73dot30 19:11, 13 March 2013 (EDT)

I'm getting a little frustrated that my efforts to drastically improve the look and feel of our articles are getting thwarted by the lack of a reply - it's been a week now. --118dot93dot73dot30 15:16, 17 March 2013 (EDT)


Thank you!

Hi, thank you so much for your friendly welcome! Unfortunately I can't find out how to reply on my own page - maybe you can tell me? I enjoy contributing to Wikitravel very much and hope to do more in the future! It's a great project! Kind regards, MissGraham

Hi MissGraham! Thank you for your nice message! We are happy to hear that you like Wikitravel project! Thank you for making our guide better for all the travelers! To reply on your Talk Page, please click Edit at the top of the page. Let me know if you found it:) Also, when you want to sign your posts, please use~~~~ wiki markup. All the best! Happy editing! IBAlex (talk) 17:37, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
Yes, I found it, and now also learned how to sign a post! Thank you! :-) MissGraham (talk) 11:18, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
I am happy to help! Feel free to reach me anytime :) IBAlex (talk) 16:48, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Should IBadmins ignore policy

when Wikitravel:Don't_tout#Don.27t_include_referral_codes_in_URLs states clearly "Referral codes don't benefit travellers and will lead to removal of the listing"?

By doing this, I think you are sending the wrong message since a bit of carrot and stick is needed with the marketeers... --118dot93dot73dot30 16:44, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

118, instead of removing the whole listing, please remove the referral code [1]. The listing is informative and benefit the traveler. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 16:47, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
Did you read User_talk:Edralin#Please_conform ?
Our policy was specifically designed for problematic users like this that make money from abusing our listings. Edralin never bothers to change his behaviour or even reply to any comments left on his talk page. I feel so strongly over this spam flood that I will stop contributing to Wikitravel if you are now going to ignore long-standing policies and encourage abusers. It's not as if Makati is lacking Sleep listings - there are another 31 different listings in the same "Mid-range" section alone! There are other consistent problems with this user too, going way back before you joined us... --118dot93dot73dot30 16:58, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
We appreciate your vigilance, 118. If users adhere to our policies for marketers, they can place a listing. I'm inclined to believe that a habitual abuser who refuses to change or reply to us should rather be disciplined (short-term ban?) first, then other methods used such as reverting all their new edits, or perhaps blocking them altogether. Of course it's true that we'd rather not have touters here. They must learn our ways or simply stop adding listing at Wikitravel. Please work with IBalex and other admins to come to terms on a course of action in this and future cases. I think you're both partly in the right here.--IBobi (talk) 20:03, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
Ok, thanks, 118 and IBobi! Let's all keep an eye on User Edralin. I have just left her/ him a message with a request to start complying with our policies. Let's consider this as a final call to stop breaching the policies. If she/ he keeps on touting we should block the account, do you agree 118? Kind regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
I assume Edralin is financially rewarded for marketing efforts, either as a salaried employee or directly by way of marketing fees if "Edralin" is a firm's collective account. If I were an admin, I would have already instituted a series of escalating short term blocks of 1, 3, 8, 24 hours, followed by 1, 3 and 6 months since that would have taught them it was cheaper to dialogue and learn. The only tool that, as a normal user, I can use is to remove a listing completely and temporarily (where plenty of other sleep listings are on the pertinent destination page) since that sabotages Edralin's commercial reward without degrading the traveller experience too much. If I just remove the offending codes and MoS violations, I doubt they would ever notice. I believe that these kind of marketeers can be actively harnessed and channelled to our needs through education as this example shows so I am not in favour of permanent blocks except as a very last resort when a bit of carrot and stick has failed. --118dot93dot73dot30 22:38, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
User Edralin has been blocked now for 1 day since she/he kept on touting and failed to respond to the discussions on her/his talk page. 118, thank you for removing Edralin's postings. Your help is appreciated! Kind regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:35, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
I believe that action was appropriate and I have designed and placed on Edralin's User Talk page a new Block template. --118dot93dot73dot30 23:16, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
This blocked user has now switched to IP editing: Special:Contributions/61.28.160.118 --118dot93dot73dot30 04:01, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

here's an interesting edit --118dot93dot73dot30 18:03, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Checkuser requested

For newly created account Special:Contributions/Corncob believed to be a parallel account of Special:Contributions/Edralin and Special:Contributions/Duskromano because of their patterns of editing and specific and idiosyncratic MoS errors (not outlined here because of security concerns). --118dot93dot73dot30 01:44, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Thanks, 118. for cooperation! The IP address of Special:Contributions/Edralin, 61.28.160.118, has created 5 different accounts which I just blocked for sock puppetting. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
Was User:Corncob one of them?
(It's usual to name the parallel accounts on the main account's page if they are being used to circumvent scrutiny or blocks, but I can not see them listed there).
It's very important for reasons of transparency and pour encourager les autres that blocks and the reasons for them are posted on the Users' pages.
(RN Admiral Byng was executed on 14 March 1757 aboard HMS Monarch in Portsmouth harbour.
Byng's execution is referred to in Voltaire's novel Candide with the line Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres – "In this country, it is wise to kill an admiral from time to time to encourage the others." --118dot93dot73dot30 17:08, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
I assume I will get a response in due course.
Meanwhile, Corncob's campaign from the Philippines continues. They must think we're asleep or just can't be bothered... --118dot93dot73dot30 00:59, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
Malaysia seems to have joined the party --118dot93dot73dot30 01:08, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

Have replied on my page

Hi Alex. I have replied on my page to your question there. Cheers. Nurg (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

Thank you for letting me know. I have replied as well [2]. I'm watching your page so I follow the conversation. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 14:11, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Blocking users from editing their own talk page

I do not believe it complies with either our policies (as currently enunciated) or natural justice that a blocked user "cannot edit own talk page". Do you, and if you do, why please? --118dot93dot73dot30 19:57, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

I understand your concern. However, we have many spammers that create very spammy user pages with tons of external links. As admins, we do block those users. It wouldn't make sense to let them edit their user pages when blocked because they will keep on spamming. And we are talking about at least 50 cases like that per day... If an individual feels that his account was mistakenly blocked and he wants to write something on Wikitravel, he gets a message that he can contact any of the admins. Me and the team would gladly respond to any inquiry. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
I think your reply makes some sense, but I need answers to supplementary questions.
Why do you not have the usual Wikimedia MediaWiki software option of blocking those who you regard as spammers with a bar to editing their own user namespace while also having the "normal" blocking option of barring edits to all namespaces other than their own user namespace?
My current perception is that far too much time and staff resources are currently devoted to these multiple spam accounts since they have a very limited SEO value to these stupid spammers (being "no followed") and no ordinary user is ever going to read these spammy user namespace pages! Effectively, they are part of the "dark and hidden web" if you configure your robots file to bar search engine spiders from reading user namespace.
Get yourself a mathematical Turing tester for new accounts, configure a new class of user: Novice that is unable to edit user namespace until and unless they have made at least 6 unreverted edits in main space. I really do not think that any "normal" user (as opposed to trolls, sockpuppets, spam bots and former admins coming back to harass as a parallel account) is going to want to make edits in user namespace before they have edited some of our articles!
Are you really 100% certain that you have Wikitravel (almost) uniquely configured so you can block users from editing their own user namespace but they can edit other users' namespace so that they "can contact any of the admins". http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Blocking_users#Blocking Are you really saying that you are only blocking spammers from editing their own namespace while they can still edit other namespaces (presumably, including Main)? How weird?
Have you tested the truth of what you say? The LtPowers incident seems to indicate otherwise...
Nurg, are you reading this? Have you ever seen such an oddball MediaWiki software configuration?
Sorry, 118, I don't understand your argument. Nurg (talk) 22:34, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
Unless I'm completely misunderstanding things outlined at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Blocking_users#Blocking and other pages, the conventional option when blocking is to bar an account (or an IP or whole IP range) from editing ALL pages except their user namespace. If you additionally check the box that "Prevent this user from editing their own talk page while blocked" that does not release the previous general block - the net effect is that the user, IP or IP range can not edit anything, full stop - so how the heck is the poor bugger supposed to "contact any of the admins" when WT has also globally disabled the e-mail facility? The only way I can see this working at all is if some helpful admins are willing to publish their e-mail and/or street addresses. --118dot93dot73dot30 03:02, 20 April 2013 (EDT)

Page protection

Changed rosters mean I will probably be unable to edit for 5 days - so you might want to protect these two pages from the taxi touts for a week or two: Lake Toba, Parapat‎ --118dot93dot73dot30 03:33, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

Misrepresentation

It may be just a question of poor English, but are they misrepresenting that there is current e-mail correspondence with you? If they have a genuine case for listing then it would be far better that they made it on the associated discussion page of each article they want to tout in... --118dot93dot73dot30 11:38, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

Thanks 118. for this message. See my responses to those 2 users [3], [4]. I am watching Lake Toba and Parapat‎ pages and if ReyMysterio or Sautsagala reverts mine or your edit and tries to put the touty listing again [5] I will block the user/ protect the page.
This edit [6] is unacceptable. Obviously, it wasn't me putting it there. Thank you for letting me know about it. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:20, 23 April 2013 (EDT)
They are at it again! --118dot93dot73dot30 14:27, 28 April 2013 (EDT)
Thanks! This is taken care of now! Best, IBAlex (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Thank you!

Thanks for the kind words regarding the photos I uploaded for the London page (and thanks for utilizing them!) I've got some of Bruges & York which I think could be suitable. I'll have a look through my archives, dig them out and upload them in the next couple of days! :)

Thank you, Mark! The photos are truly outstanding! Now the articles look way better:) Looking forward to seeing pictures of Bruges & York! Feel free to put them also in the articles. If you need help, let me know. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 12:21, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

Listing of providers

Hello Alex,

We have an office in Senaru, Lombok, and offer Rinjani treks, so I added our agency on the Mount Rinjani page, where there was already a list of guides and trekking providers.

One user - Felix505 - always deletes us. He was writing that there are already sufficient providers listed and that we don't have enough experience, even if my husband is climbing Rinjani with guests for a long time. He started to be a guide 11 years ago and last year in April we opened our own office and organise Rinjani trips now.

We were reading the guidelines but couldn't find a note about expertism of listed offices. We have only seen that it has to be a "real world" office with address, phone number, and so on. And we have also seen that it's written wikitravel is not the Yellow Pages. But also: "The Wiki technique we use for Wikitravel makes it possible for us to include information that's not in other travel guides. This doesn't mean that we only include information not found in other guides. Wikitravel aims to be a complete travel guide -- not just an additional resource on the side of traditional guides." For us that looks like you want to offer a list of good providers, well established offices but also new ones.

We don't understand how a single user can decide, if a company is listed or not. Why does he has the right to delete us? It would be great, if you could help us.

Best wishes, Sandra and Andreas

Hello Sandra and Andreas! Thank you for your message!
In this case I do agree with User talk:Felix505 who explained why the listings are being deleted.
There has been enough listings already on Mount Rinjani and we don't think that expanding this section with more and more offerings from trekking companies would actually benefit the Traveler. As Felix wrote there is no need for the article to list every provider who enters the field. It should be understood these travel guide articles do not seek to provide a service directory for a destination.
We wish you all the best with your business!
Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:58, 26 April 2013 (EDT)
Hello Alex, Thanks for your information. We hope to be listed here also one day. Best wishes
Thank you, Sandra for your understanding! It is very much appreciated! All the best, IBAlex (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2013 (EDT)

Re: Barcelona page

Hi Alex, thanks for contacting me, it's great to hear from you again! As requested, I've written a detailed analysis in response to the discussion you started here. I hope it helps! :) BarcelonaExpert (talk) 20:11, 13 May 2013 (EDT)

Thank you, BarcelonaExpert! I have just read your response, thank you for all the details! I will let TonyB take part in this discussion before making a decision on how to proceed in this case. And I am happy to hear that you like the pictures I have added. We wanted the article to look as good as possible as it's our May Destination of the Month :) Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:59, 13 May 2013 (EDT)

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