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I just noticed that you were never welcomed! I've now rectified that ;) --Peter Talk 20:54, 9 October 2008 (EDT)



You're doing really nice work on Hilversum! I look forward to seeing where you take it. --Peter Talk 22:32, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

I'd like to echo Peter's comment. You've made some great improvements to Hilversum! ChubbyWimbus 01:16, 27 July 2009 (EDT)
And in case you didn't notice, Hilversum has now been nominated for Destination of the Month—contgratulations! --Peter Talk 17:39, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

Gooi Vechtstreek

I'm not too sure what happened here. Did you mean to wind up with a blank article? --Peter Talk 17:29, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

I messed it up, the page has to be deleted, but I don't know how that works. The original article is Gooi and Vecht Region. Globe-trotter 01:02, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

Netherlands regions

Just double checking whether you meant to replace your earlier comment here [1]. --Peter Talk 13:50, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

Yes, I meant that haha. I changed my opinion :) Globe-trotter 13:53, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

Lumphini Park?

Why did you move Lumphini Park out of Bangkok/Silom into Sukhumvit? It's right next to Silom and there's even an MRT exit from Silom station into the park. Jpatokal 06:54, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

In the article of Sukhumvit, it says: For the purposes of this article, the Sukhumvit district is defined broadly to include everything south of Phetchaburi Rd (Phayonyothin) and north of Rama IV (Silom). Lumpini Park is north of Rama IV, so I figured it would go there. Globe-trotter 07:18, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
You're allowed to use common sense here, and that sentence is supposed to mean that "everything between Silom and Phayonyothin is Sukhumvit". I'm moving it back. Nevermind, it looks like you already did... Jpatokal 23:37, 11 August 2009 (EDT)


...for helping clean up Bangkok, that data dump from TAT (all the random listings on the main page) has been a real bitch to get sorted out. Jpatokal 03:20, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

Yes, it's an absolute mess and should be cleaned up. I suggested Bangkok as a CotM to make it better, as the potential is definitely there. Globe-trotter 10:37, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
At the rate you're working on it, you'll be finished before it can be selected for CotM! But why'd you nuke eg. the Bamboo Bar from Rattanakosin? Jpatokal 03:00, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
With the new Yaowarat region, I figured the Bangrak area could not be with Rattanakosin anymore, as it would make a strange island west of Silom. I think Bangrak would fit better with Silom anyway, as Oriental is like 300 meters from Silom Rd. We could add this part to the Yaowarat district as well, but I think it's not a Chinese area. I made the districts like this: , though I am still working on it. I'd like to have some suggestions on the regions, whether they're OK, what to change, etc. As I am still working on it. Globe-trotter 07:54, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
Talk:Bangkok#Regions.2Fdistricts_of_Bangkok Jpatokal 07:58, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
Did my best to root out the Do section, though there are probably room for improvement :) one section (Cultural Performances) needs a re-writeup since I moved out all the listings to districts, not in a small part thanks to your awesome map, but at any rate, I think it's an improvement. Just imagine if we could save another major destination like we did Rome. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:35, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

Radio Hilversum

Great page on Hilversum. For those of my generation (55+) Radio Hilversum was a mark on a dial of the old-fashioned valve radios. That was about all we knew of the place. You indicate it was a media town but might like to specifically mention why Hilversum appeared on all our radios. While you are at it, I don't understand the phrase >the notorious infrastructure system< and you should correct "amount" of people to number of people.Shep 14:30, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

Status of Ubud Article

I see that you reverted my edit which changed the status of this article from guide to usable. Why is that please? The article does not closely follow the Wikitravel manual of style which is a requirement for guide status. Virtually every listing in this article is a bullet with random prose. Very few listing templates are used which is surely a requirement? I made this point when changing the status on the article talk page --Burmesedays 09:44, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Climbing Mount Batukaru

It is arguable either way. Personally I prefer it in the Tabanan article which I designed to cover the western part of the central region. You are correct that with the road through Jatiluwih now being passable, Mount Batukaru is accessible from south of Bedugul. Lots of folk approach the climb from Sanda though (I have climbed the mountain 3 times from this direction) and the start of that ascent route is not accessible from Bedugul. If it does go into the Bedugul article then the preamble to the Bedugul article will need to be changed and Pura Luhur Batukaru would also need to be moved. From a purely practical viewpont that would also leave the Tabanan article very thinly spread.--Burmesedays 10:40, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Netherlands map

Just a heads up so you don't miss this comment. --Peter Talk 16:55, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Hilversum map

Has this map been changed yet? ( I dont know what it looked like before so can't check for myself) Peter (Southwood) Talk 16:18, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

Hilversum makes it to Stardom

Hilversum appears to be accepted for star status. See the nominations page. Congratulations on your efforts. -- Peter (Southwood) Talk 01:39, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Don't forget to add the star to the top of the article. =) LtPowers 10:37, 9 November 2009 (EST)

New Bangkok map

Thanks for your work on Bangkok. Please have a look at comments here. Thanks! Texugo 22:24, 6 December 2009 (EST)

London Boroughs

Why did you delete the audit update of where we stand with London boroughs from Talk:London? I am finding it very difficult to navigate that discussion and think it really helpful to have an updated list (which others can correct or add to). I am thinking it may have been a mistake (?) so am reverting for now. Cheers :) --Burmesedays 09:05, 8 December 2009 (EST)

No problems.. I figured as much. That sort of thing happens to me here sometimes when I have multiple screens open. --Burmesedays 09:29, 8 December 2009 (EST)

West Bali

I noticed that you bulleted the See and Do sections of West Bali. I had understood that the See and Do sections of a region article should be in prose format and not listed bullet points? See here for example. Cheers. --Burmesedays 10:00, 10 December 2009 (EST)

Thailand Map

That is a very nice map! Great work. And I must say, the colour scheme goes beautifully with its neigbours Cambodia and Laos. Very well done. --Burmesedays 08:10, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Oceania regions

Why change countries to regions? They are all countries in the list. Regions should go above when Melanesia, Micronesia and Polynesia are discussed. Shep 06:47, 23 December 2009 (EST)


Hey Globe-trotter,

Seeing all the work you've done on the CoTM, I'd like to point you to another task that could really need some help - the Recent changes patrol. As I've just pointed out in the pub, at the moment me and Burmesedays seem to be doing the lions share of the patrolling, but the more users involved in this, the less tedious it gets - the ultimate goal is making sure no edits go unpatrolled - About a quarter sometimes up to half the edits on English wikitravel, are ones that need to be reverted, so it's a pretty essential task to keeping WT clean and useful for everyone.

If you want to help, try go to your preferences (up on the top right), once there select the recent changes tab and check the "Enhanced recent changes (JavaScript)" option. If you go back to the recent changes page now, edits will be grouped together, and edits that has not yet been patrolled will be marked with a red exclamation mark on the left side of the time-stamp in the summary. If there are any red exclamation marks try clicking on "(diff/X changes)" and above the summary you'll be able to click [Mark as patrolled] if everything is in order, or (undo) if it's spam, vandalism or touting - if unsure just leave it and someone else will come along and check it.

Of-course everyone one is welcome to contribute with whatever they feel like doing, just wanted to make sure you knew about his task. The more users involved in making sure there are no red exclamation marks on the recent changes page, the less tedious it get's. Personally I think a good approach is clicking on the "diff/X changes" on everything unpatrolled while holding down the ctrl button to open them all in new tabs, and then just go through them methodically

Cheers, --Stefan (sertmann) talk 21:17, 28 December 2009 (EST)

London cotm

Since you were so instrumental in making the London cotm our most successful collaboration of all time, I thought you might like to look over the results. Thanks again for your help! --Peter Talk 14:13, 1 January 2010 (EST)

How to draw a map

I have finally re-written this and would be grateful for any input you have (especially as I used your Thailand map as an example :) ). My thinking is on Peter's talk page, so I will not clutter your page and repeat it here. Cheers. --Burmesedays 07:55, 8 January 2010 (EST)


--Ola346 14:45, 8 January 2010 (EST)

Israel map

I just realized that we didn't list the Territories as a country needing a regions map, but it would be nice if you could create one for them from your Israel SVG, graying out the de jure Israeli side, but preserving the visual info regarding de facto control. --Peter Talk 17:13, 13 January 2010 (EST)

Ah, and you should see Talk:Gaza Strip#Strip vs City vs nothing. --Peter Talk 17:18, 13 January 2010 (EST)
Yes, looks great! The only thing I'd recommend (for the Israel map as well) would be to increase the text size on the key—it's very hard to read right now, and it might be possible to get it large enough where it could be readable in-article. --Peter Talk 17:34, 13 January 2010 (EST)
Really good job on both of those maps GT. Really good. For the text in the key box you might want to look for a more condensed font or play with the kerning. It ought to be somehow possible to make that text readable in-article. Great job. --Burmesedays 21:04, 13 January 2010 (EST)

Diacritic-letters in article names

Although I don't want to nitpick around, given the explicit permission to use diacritic letters at the second sentence of Wikitravel:Naming_conventions#Romanization, I have to admit that I do not entirely agree with you in your unilateral action of moving Uludağ to Uludag and I am not entirely satisfied with the explanation of "moved as the character is not used in wikitravel".—Vidimian 19:34, 25 January 2010 (EST)

I already moved it back, you are completely spot on. This is the reason I started that topic there, to get some more clarity on the issue. --globe-trotter 21:15, 25 January 2010 (EST)


Good call, finally someone taking the bull by its horns and start sorting out this mess. A round of applause from me good sir :o) --Stefan (sertmann) talk 11:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)

I second that and will be helping soon! Shouldn't Thailand be the CotM for February? Or did I dream that? --Burmesedays 11:39, 2 February 2010 (EST)
Thanks! It is the CotM for February :) --globe-trotter 11:46, 2 February 2010 (EST)
And a khop khun khrap from me as well! I'm really glad you're doing this. Jpatokal 22:25, 5 February 2010 (EST)
How much work are you planning to do on Ayutthaya‎? I find the "See" listings are actually surprisingly informative, but I saw just now you are planning to add your own descriptions - what gives? automatic reaction to all the junk they've uploaded, or are you planning some really thorough work here? --Stefan (sertmann) talk 12:08, 7 February 2010 (EST)
Yes, I know this is the most rigorous move I've done, but as I wrote in the description, I'm going to give it a big overhaul throughout the month. The listings are still on the Talk page, will also use that information to make something nice of the See section. As you might see, it's more of a mess than it looks-- some sights are even listed twice! --globe-trotter 12:30, 7 February 2010 (EST)
I think the general principle of sticking all the TAT stuff, good and bad, onto a Talk/Listing page is smart. It is then easy for any user to go to that page, pick out the useful bits and place them back into the article. --Burmesedays 04:32, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Hi! I work for almost a year on Ko Samui and saw you made some bigger edits. I'm fine in general with your edits but will do a partly revert on the medical part as this is important for travellers. There are so many accidents and people should at least know some of the more reliable clinics... jan 04:22, 8 February 2010 (EST)

I listingified the hospitals listed now, a big improvement from the situation before I think! (with 20 hospitals we were not far off from being the Yellow Pages..) --globe-trotter 11:38, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Sorry, I have to heavily disagree with you on this issue. Why are you removing the information about Thailand from TAT into the reaches where normal users can't find them? (i.e. history or talk page) They've proven extremely useful for me (I've spent here working and travelling over a year), as only thanks to them I have discovered some really great sites off the beaten path no foreigner even knows about! The TAT listings of hotels are very informative and give perfect pricing overview, along with names/addresses. I think you're doing not a good job at all by simply removing it. Also, I don't understand the redirection of the provincial pages to provincial capitals since provinces are so much bigger and contain information on different regions (March 12, 2010)

I have not removed any information, I have moved the TAT dump to the Talk pages because it was a quicker way to sort out Thailand. Just look at how Thailand was 6 months ago, probably the most messed up country on all of Wikitravel. You can still access all the information.
About the listings, when people who actually travelled to the destinations add information back, they will add personal traveler experience and improve all the articles. What happened before is that TAT placed all the listings in there (neglecting the Wikitravel Manual of Style) without adding any information on services, pricing, positives and negatives, etc. This doesn't give an incentive to other Wikitravellers to contribute and thus led to Thailand not further improving (instead for a few articles which TAT mess up — such as Mae Salong. If you have visited a listing, add it and put a good description to improve the articles.
The provinces is a bit the same story. The provinces are not proper travel regions, because they are very fragmented. In Wikitravel we use regional groupings with about 9 cities in them. Most provinces in Thailand evolve around one city, for example Lopburi. Lopburi does not only cover the Amphoe Lopburi, but it also covers other attractions in the vicinity. Wikitravel does not follow the regions a country uses, simply because they happen not to be practical. I think the way its done now, Thailand is cleaned up nicely, we have proper travel regions and the articles look interesting again. But anyhow, please plunge forward and improve them the way you see fit. --globe-trotter 04:29, 12 March 2010 (EST)
Our Thailand scheme is unrecognisably superior to the mess it was in a month ago. That excellent structural work has gone hand-in-hand with cleaning up the articles. If there are specific listings from the TAT data dump that you wish to see back in the articles, (only those for which you have personal experience), then please do reinstate them. Everything has been kept, as globe-trotter explained. --Burmesedays 04:37, 12 March 2010 (EST)

I note you're still keeping an eye on Nakhon Ratchasima. I've been working on it single-handedly for ther past few months. It was just a big, messy, skeletal list when I started on it but it's coming along now. Any advice regarding the article is always welcome (it gets pretty lonely slogging away on an article alone!) and a fresh pair of eyes may notice problems/omissions/deficiencies that I can't. Obviously, things like bars and restaurants still need filling up but any other constructive criticism is always welcome. Promphong 04:13, 16 June 2010 (EDT)


Hi! How about my proposal? jan 12:27, 18 February 2010 (EST)

Hi! I replied on the talk page. jan 11:59, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
Hi! Thank you for the districtification of Berlin. I think we might had a misunderstanding but Schöneberg is part of City West as discussed on the talk page which was also agreed so and is so in the map. You moved the Schöneberg part to South which is wrong. I changed the affiliation. jan 10:23, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
Thanks for notifying me of this mistake, oops! I guess I got a bit confused when moving the info :) Also thanks for the edits you've made. --globe-trotter 11:44, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

Bangkok map

Whoah! This looks amazing. Jpatokal 22:07, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Thanks! :D Put a lot of work in it and it turned out nicely :) --globe-trotter 06:22, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Admin nomination

I have just nominated you for admin. Please comment there to let us know if you accept! --Peter Talk 19:32, 8 March 2010 (EST)

Western Sahara

You deserve a medal for volunteering to do that map. And I thought Mauritania was boring =). --Burmesedays 10:05, 10 March 2010 (EST)

Yes, sometimes I don't know what I'm thinking :D :P --globe-trotter 11:00, 10 March 2010 (EST)

Samui South Coast

You are right, that was a mistake. I was confused by the region template being used. I think we should use the city template for this kind of articles, --ClausHansen 09:40, 15 March 2010 (EDT)


Welcome to the admin club! Check out the Wikitravel:Administrator's handbook for how to use your shiny new buttons. Jpatokal 07:01, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

Thanks! :D --globe-trotter 08:18, 28 March 2010 (EDT)


Sorry, I reverted. Mistertalk 15:10, 29 March 2010 (EDT)

Thank you! Mistertalk 15:24, 29 March 2010 (EDT)

Thailand articles

Dear Globe-trotter,

I appreciate your work at Wikitravel, but I strongly disagree with the way of handling the TAT information. I consider myself pretty much a skilled user, but it took me almost a month where the amazing listings (yes, I've visited many of the places) have been disappearing. Simply removing it (I had to fish for it in the History) is what I consider vandalism. Sorry for the harsh words, but removing it also removes it from the search index and if the user wants to find some information on some local stuff, he/she is left with city article with virtually no useful information.

What I propose is following: Putting back the articles with a template such as this one: This article or section does not match our manual of style or needs other editing. Please plunge forward, give it your attention and help it improve! This way, people would be able to learn about the stuff, visit it (such as I did) and later contribute and write about it. Look , I've spent in Thailand over a year and traveled somewhat extensively especially in the south. Had you deleted the articles soone, I wouldn'tve had a clue as to what to visit, how to get there, I wouldn't've had any ideas for all the perfect trips I could do, using TAT information (hotels, local waterfalls, islands, tunnels, etc...) So, in turn, I wouldn't be able to contribute about it later! The TAT listings are actually very informative and from my own experience I can say they truly hepled find some of the real gems of Thai South (and also other parts of Thailand, to a certain extent).


All the TAT information is still there on the relevant talk pages. The structure of the articles was awful with the TAT listings, but I am pleased you managed to find some useful information from that. I would encourage you to go to the TAT information and reinstate to the main articles anything that you found helpful in the real world. --Burmesedays 22:09, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
I knew that getting the Thailand articles and structure cleaned up would get some resistance, but eventually it has all been for the better. Thailand is one of the most visited countries in Asia and its reflection on Wikitravel has been worse than could be expected from a major destination like it. The reason has been that all the articles were a complete mess — thats why I put so many hours into cleaning them up, and hope to encourage other travellers to add their own travel experiences instead of these enormous lists. No listings are removed at all, they can still be found on the Talk pages (or by visiting TAT), and I did that to encourage users to place back the listings with their own useful information. Placing the style tag already happened in many articles, but no one is willing to sort out thousands of listings (for obvious reasons, just moving them to the Talk pages has taken up many many many hours, days and weeks). Anyway, the Thailand articles will now organically grow over time with useful information from travellers themselves instead of being a Yellow Pages-like mess. Please plunge forward and add your valuable experiences, thats eventually what Wikitravel is for :) --globe-trotter 22:51, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
You may have missed my point. Sorry my post is long, but please read it till the end. Actually, all information was useful for me. I'll try and give an example: See Kamphaeng Phet page now. There's virtually no information. Suppose I am an ordinary PC user and don't know anything about history in wiki. How do I know what am I supposed to visit? However, if I take a look at TAT stuff, I can find that for example Khlong Lan National Park interests me. I can find great deal of information on history of the Old City, wealth of information on other interesting sites to choose from. How can I start contributing, if I don't know where to go in the first place?
Another example: Take Yala province and TAT hotels listing. From the list I can easily see price range and addresses and decide where I will spend a night and presonally information like "You can choose a 'kareoke' girl off of the wall when you come in for 200 baht, but that's standard around these parts." I consider totally off-topic.
Another one: Trang has amazing waterfalls. It was very easy for me to work out a detailed itinerary from TAT listings. And actually the idea to visit them came solely from TAT information - before it was moved (I spent a good deal of time finding it later, but I already knew it was there). Now there's no way I would even get a notion that there are some waterfalls in Trang (apart from an IMHO vague remark in the 'See' section, much less how to get there to actually see them. Again, consider people are not so skilled as to visit talk/history page.
P.S. I'd gladly plunge in and improve some articles as soon as I finish traveling. But please, leave some information for normal users there, so they now, where they can go! Or put a big sign, or something - the info from TAT is here and here. But better still I'd recommend to keep it back, although I realize you spent many hours removing it - so that I can, say, search for attraction like Khao Luang National Park and it'd come up in search results. Now I only get Khao San (hardly an attraction). But I visited the real Khao Luang NP and Ban Khiri Wong in Nakhon and again, thanks to TAT. Now I wouldn't have had a clue Ban Khiri Wong exists because the search for Khao luang would come up empty. Am I being a little clearer now?
1) A common PC user doesn't have a clue about History/Talk page or TAT, let alone their website.
2) Interesting places are not indexed now; so how can people visit them if they do not know about them?
3) It erodes (at least) my trust in WT. Now I feel like I have to see the history of every information-poor page. --Babach 04:17, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
You can use the strong language, but I perfectly understood your point the first time. My advise is the same: if you want to add all the TAT information back in a proper manner, I am all for it. Turn the articles into something nice, such as Mae Salong. Just dumping enormous messy lists will disencourage other Wikitravellers to add their own listings, not encourage them as you imply. We have seen many examples of this before in Wikitravel, just look at the history of the Sleep section in Rome. Thailand was one of the most neglected destinations in Asia, and the messy state of decay they were in have contributed to that fact. Listing hundreds of Sleep and other listings is not a goal of Wikitravel.
1) That's only their loss if they don't know how Wikitravel works, our job is to make a great travel guide, not to be the Yellow Pages or tourist agency. Wikiravel has a different goal.
2) It works like this for every destination. Wikitravel articles start out blank, travellers add their experience and the article organically grows. We don't start out dumping tourist agency listings in every Wikitravel article, we start out empty and let travellers add their own experiences.
3) You don't have to look in the history, all listings are perfectly listed in the corresponding Talk page.
The three examples are exactly how it works: you have visited them, please plunge forward and make the articles shine. --globe-trotter 12:11, 30 March 2010 (EDT)


Hi globe-trotter, please use 43°C (110°F) or 110°F (43°C) in places like the US (as per Wikitravel:Manual of style). BTY nice work on that article. felix 21:22, 9 November 2010 (EST)

I appears was only half right. My apologies, upon my reading of the Wikitravel:Measurements I note that both forms are considered acceptable.According to the Temperature styleguide the following is how temperatures should be displayed. I had already edited the section before I went and checked. Although personally I dislike the WT manual of style interpretion of times I do think that the 43°C (110°F) or 110°F (43°C) form works better than spelling it out. If my edit offends you are quite entitled to undo it as you are establishing the temp formatting for that article with your edits. felix 21:44, 9 November 2010 (EST)
from Wikitravel:Measurements
  • Celsius = degrees Celsius or °C
  • Fahrenheit = degrees Fahrenheit or °F


Regarding this edit, please use Talk:Nahr al-Bared for further discussion as the archive pages are meant solely to archive completed discussions. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:05, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

Ampersands in article names

Wikitravel has issues with ampersands in article names, so I've moved West Estonia & Islands to West Estonia and Islands. -- Ryan • (talk) • 12:45, 26 May 2010 (EDT)

Thanks! :) --globe-trotter 14:22, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

Speedy deletes

Per Wikitravel:Deletion policy#Speedy deletion there is no need to list speedy deletes on the VFD page. -- Ryan • (talk) • 12:10, 20 June 2010 (EDT)

Ah allright thanks. I thought it was still required. --globe-trotter 12:15, 20 June 2010 (EDT)


Would you mind going over AndreasAndreas' recent edits on Flemish? Given his erroneous insistence that Swedes and Scandinavians can communicate effortless with Germans in their respective native languages, and his vigorous Austro-Bavarian crusade, I don't have much faith in his linguistic additions.

Yes this seems to be a user with a linguistic agenda. I've changed some of his recent edits, especially in the Flanders article. --globe-trotter 08:04, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Offline discussion

I'd like to add you to an ongoing Google Wave discussion relevant for admins, but would need to reach you by email. To preserve your anonymity, you could create an ad hoc email account, associate it with your Wikitravel account, and then email me. I will reply to that email with a Google Wave invitation, for which you can also create an ad hoc account, to continue to preserve your anonymity. --Peter Talk 08:54, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

New Orleans/Other parts of town

Good day. Could you please explain on the talk page (or link to a Wikitravel policy explaining) what the major problem is with New Orleans/Other parts of town? Thanks much. Cheers, Infrogmation 20:16, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

Laem Yai

Hi g-t! A anon user has started a new district/beach in Ko Samui which i suspect is the hotel terrace management. I haven't been to Thailand since early 2009 so i'm a bit uncertain if this has really developed? I would delete vfd it but maybe development is really fast at the island. What are your thoughts? jan 10:37, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

I'm not really well-known in that area, but it seems like there is not that much to do there. At least not enough to warrant its own article. I'd say we merge it into Nathon. --globe-trotter 16:36, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

Map over Hungary

Hi Globe-Trotter! Sv: is working on the guide to Hungary and we really like your map. However - it needs to be translated into swedish. If I provide you with the swedish name tags, would you like to help out, using your english map as its base? I have no idea how to create maps... hence my question.

  • UKR=UKR (in swedish: UKRAINA)
  • SLO=SLO (in swedish: SLOVENIEN)
  • SERBIA (Vojvodina)=SERBIEN (Vojvodina)
  • Transdanubia=Transdanubien
  • Lake Balaton= Balatonsjön
  • Central Hungary=Centrala Ungern
  • Northern Hungary=Norra Ungern
  • Great Plain=Stora ungerska slättlandet
  • Belgrade=Belgrad

Thanks a million! Riggwelter 12:36, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

Khao San Road

Hi. Fantastic work on Bangkok. I wish I had your attention to detail. Just checking Khao San Road as I am due to be at an early meeting on Phra Atit in a couple of weeks and want to avoid possible traffic jams when heading there. A couple of points seem to be in contradiction of Wikitravel rules. The Banglumpho market photo has a recognisable individual in the photo and I thought the rules forbid photos of businesses. Is the Tom Yum Kung restaurant sign that remarkable? Anyway, keep up the great work. Shep 14:23, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

I believe the "no faces in pictures" rule does not apply to markets, as there will always be people walking around there in public. See [2]. If this is still a problem, I can also use another image, as I have some others of the Banglampoo Market as well.
About the pictures of businesses, I really wouldn't know how else to make the Eat, Drink and Sleep section more interesting. I did not add the Tom Yum Kung picture for promotion, but to give an idea of the sign-chaos at Khao San Road at night. If this goes against policy, it could be removed, but I think its a nice picture to fill up the gap. --globe-trotter 15:07, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
I'm certainly not insisting as I am not very good at following the rules myself. Rather, I was pointing out what some of the more pedantic Wikitravellers might highlight. Shep 09:41, 23 September 2010 (EDT)

Bangkok/Yaowarat and Pahurat Star nomination

It is now over a month since the last comment, and there don't seem to be any unresolved problems. Go ahead and clap on the Star. -- Peter (Southwood) Talk 04:05, 14 October 2010 (EDT)

Bangkok climate edits

Globetrotter, yes you are correct about the apostrophe usage 1900s vis-à-vis 1900's. I must have had a delusional apostrophic moment but please try not to be so offensive. It was an aberrant yet in good faith edit. I am quite sufficiently capable of reading and writing in the English language. I do not concur that I need to "learn" English as you have suggested as I already have a sufficiently adequate grasp of the language to engage in day to day communications. Sufficient at least to be able to comment that the short section on the climate of Bangkok is very clumsy in style and a little verbose in the method of delivering the required information. I note that you have recently done a considerable amount of very good work on that article. I have not dwelt upon the edit histories to confirm if you are directly responsible for the content of the section dealing with the climate in Bangkok, (such as "around or over 30°C (86°F)". However, that section on climate is lacking the finesse of the rest of the content you have been adding and would certainly benefit from a thorough re-write. As you apparently consider my linguistic skills to be inadequate I will leave you to take care of that yourself without any impediment that may arise from my own perceived insufficiencies. felix 02:21, 15 November 2010 (EST)

The "learn English before changing" was solely meant for this edit, not on your English language skills as a whole. And you're completely right that I shouldn't have responded this way. That said, if you feel like you can improve the article, go ahead and make the appropriate changes. --globe-trotter 21:41, 15 November 2010 (EST)

time to celebrate Bangkok?

I put a lot of work in it the last months. Bangkok now scores the number 1 place on "bytes per district"

BTW, isn't it time to celebrate the milestone yet? ;-) --DenisYurkin 01:31, 28 November 2010 (EST)

Okay :D --globe-trotter 02:37, 28 November 2010 (EST)


Just a heads up that I sent you a couple emails that urgently need your attention! --Peter Talk 17:15, 28 November 2010 (EST)

Please kindly explain why you keep the wrong info about Internet service

Dear Globe trottter,

With all my respect,we are really thankful to you to promote and write good article about Rattanakosin Island area. It's very helpful for all readers.However, we don't understand why you keep adding the same content about internet service at Niras Bankoc.It's totally untrue that we charge guests for internet 1 baht per min. All we have is just free wifi internet connection for all guests with thier own laptop or notebook.If they have no any device, we always recommend guests the cheap solution to use internet cafe next door .It's very cheap 20 baht for 1 hour. This also proves that it's quite impossible for us to charge guests the internet for expensive rate. Sometimes we even give the front desk's working desktop for guests to use for free in case of emergency or even free print out document. It would be great if you reply us your explanation for doing this or if you or your friend are our old guest and experienced the unfair internet charge, please let us know when you or your friend stayed and which our staff who charge you the internet.We will investigate about this issue. Thank you for your understanding.

Regards, Niras Bankoc Hostel

I just add back the information that was already present. I think we can safely remove the bit about the bad computers, but you also keep adding and modifying other information that is clearly wrong. For instance, that it is a short and easy walk to the Grand Palace -- this is totally unjustified as it is at least a 30 minutes walk and some roads don't have sidewalks (including Bamrung Muang Road). I am very familiar with this area. But I agree with you that maybe it's better to stay with the facts instead of these subjective judgements. Let me try to make some changes to this end. Maybe I'll also come over and have some coffee sometime to check out the place myself. --globe-trotter 05:20, 22 December 2010 (EST)

Dear Globe trottter, Thank you for your understanding and re-editing.Our key request is only to remove the wrong information about internet although we are still very confused about internet charge.It's very unacceptable because we like other travellers also really hate all all hidden charge or even we always keep warning our guests about scams in Bangkok.About walking distance to the grand palace,it might be subjective thing but it's big deal. You may find more honest reviews from our real guests on hostelworld or hostelbookers or search "niras bankoc" you may find some bloggers talked about us. If you have a chance,please feel free to visit our hostel and coffee shop to prove the truth about our hostel.

Could you correct the information about who made wine first in Europe ?

On the page about Europe when you move down to information about wine the information is incorrect . Republic of Georgia has 7000 years of wine history and the Republic of Moldova and Romania have 6000 years of wine history. Experts in wine all agree that the people who first produced wine are from the region where Georgia is today and the Dacian people made wine before the people from Greece, so it was not the people from Greece that made wine first as listed in the wine information . Thanks from a wine importer in Chisinau Moldova .

Anyone can edit information on Wikitravel, so plunge forward and change it yourself! --globe-trotter 23:43, 26 December 2010 (EST)

Japan status reversion

Hi Globe-trotter. I might have been too hasty in reverting on that one. I take your point. I didn't even notice that it had been districted (for lack of coloured squares and colour coded map). As far as it being a guide, it is complete enough, just the formatting could use a polish (in my opinion). I will un-revert it anyway. - Cardboardbird 07:41, 29 December 2010 (EST)

Khao San Road Map

I have re-uploaded the svg, but there seems to be a problem and I dont know what to do about it. Please try opening it and let me know if it works. • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 01:37, 10 January 2011 (EST)


Thank you for your edits to my work on the Tryavna entry. RobertSullivan1973 02:35, 14 January 2011 (EST)

Anytime! It's starting to look good :) --globe-trotter 05:51, 14 January 2011 (EST)

DotM Frankfurt

Hi! May i ask you a favour? We are a bit short of nominations for DotM. Frankfurt is a content-wise sound article that was only slushed because it lacked a map. We don't need districts because it is compact enough, airport is within the city limits and trade fair location as well. I would be very welcome and i would take care of the xl mess which is fast done. Thank you very much in advance and best regards, jan 09:46, 18 February 2011 (EST)


Can you comment on Talk:Nyírtass about a merge issue? Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:46, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

Food Tours Listing

I was noticed that you remove my contribution on food tours listing. Your reason is the food tour can't not be listed. According to this "Tours can be listed on Wikitravel as long as they constitute a value-added activity. If a traveler could fulfill the substance of the tour on their own, the tour should not be listed." Culinary tour is a new category of travel, just like biking tour, and it constitutes value added to the area. Please advise the different between culinary excursions and biking excursions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Sorry for your company, as food tours are a fun activity, but the rules are meant to be followed. According to me (and as far as I can judge, the community), a food tour is not a value-added activity. Everyone could buy and try different kinds of Thai food by themselves. In fact, the restaurants listed in the guides already give a good overview. Usually, a bicycle tour would also not be listed, but Bangkok is an exception as you cannot bicycle around the city safely without having a guide (or knowing the area in great detail). --globe-trotter 17:32, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
I respect your judgement since you are an experienced contributor here. However, I think it is very debatable what is value added. Most food tours around the world that I have been to usually bring travelers to restaurants or local eateries that are "not tourist-adjusted". So these tours do support local neighborhoods that most of them are not within reach by most travelers. Furthermore, across wikitravel community, there are a number of food tour listings. I hope standard across community is the same. To name a few I hope this issue is raised to get a wider discussion on the wikitravel community. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Hello. Thanks a lot for bringing the issue to the WT community. Just wonder what is your final thought? I think many people still think that it is OK to list food tours. As one contributor pointed out, we have agreements with vendors. The food served by each vendor are only in sample sizes. Therefore, visitors can try several dish from several vendors (and several food styles) in a single meal. This certainly cannot be done if visitors have limited time to spend (and they cannot order sample size for themselves too). It would be grateful if you can revert. If there is any problem with the content, please feel free to edit.
Yes, I have discussed this with the community on the "Travellers' Pub" page, and it seems like food tours are OK. You can add back your food tours, but they should be listed on the subsequent district pages. It seems like you offer food tours in Yaowarat and in Bang Rak, so you'll have to add them to the Yaowarat and Phahurat page and the Silom page (for Bang Rak). --globe-trotter 07:40, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

time formats revisited

Given your interest in the time formats discussion and/or the star nomination that was almost sidelined over this matter, I thought I should let you know I've reopened the discussion. Hopefully (unlikely perhaps, but hopefully) we can reach a more definitive conclusion on this matter. PerryPlanet Talk 00:45, 23 June 2011 (EDT)


Hi there (with apologies for a cut and paste message). I am trying to muster up some interest again in the now almost moribund Destination of the Month feature. This used to be one of our more dynamic initiatives with lots of debate. Sadly, that is no longer the case. I have made some new nominations to try to get it going again. If you have a moment please pop over there. And some nominations would be good if you can think of any! Thanks. --Burmesedays 10:22, 9 July 2011 (EDT)


Hi Globe-trotter, thanks for your fixes on Eindhoven. Geldrop-Mierlo is 1 municipality nowadays, so "Geldrop (and Mierlo)" doesn't seem right, I guess, and neither is "Geldrop and Mierlo" as I wrote it before. What would be best to do? Just leave out Mierlo all together and refer to the "place" Geldrop rather than the municipality? Thanks, Justme 12:07, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

you welcome. advices ?

Hello Globe-trotter,

That's not many contributions. I would do more if I could but still not very efficient with wikitravel editing while travelling at the same time. I'm doing a Round The World trip, so there will be a lot more update, but if you know some tools links to easier editing online or offline, it would be much welcome.

Thanks also for your contributions. You seem to have done really a LOT ! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Juju22b (talkcontribs)


Hi Globe-trotter. You changed that ispartof-tag on Vaals into ispartofSouthLimburg. Could you perhaps explain what that tag does? I don't seem to see the difference or get the use. Should I place that tag on all the town in this area that I've been filling/creating? Thanks, Justme 11:51, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Yes. It shows the region the article is placed under. Under the title of the article (Vaals), it gives a breadcrumb trail showing its underlying regions. If the IsPartOf is missing or wrong, the breadcrumb trail does not show up correctly :) --globe-trotter 14:36, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Siam Center

OMG, how did I manage to do that...:) --- felix 17:27, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

No prob :D --globe-trotter 17:51, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

Thanks your message

I posted my opinion on "Ikebukuro discussion". kambayashi 06:30, 16 August 2011 (EDT)


Hi! I've been working on The Netherlands and its main destinations a bit and I was wondering what you think are the main priorities for that guide? I thought it would be nice if we could bring it at least to usable level? Looking at the guidelines, I would say we're getting close, but I'm not quite sure. Cheers, Justme 09:09, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

At a quick glance I would say that the 9 linked cities and 9 linked ODs should all be usable, and then the country guide definitely would be. The rest is all there.--Burmesedays 10:41, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

The Country guide status page states the following to make it usable: "Has links to the country's major cities and other destinations (usable status or better), a valid regional structure, and a Get in section describing all of the typical ways to get there. Information about the country's currency, language, cuisine, and culture is included. At least the most prominent attraction is identified with directions."
We made it ourselves a lot harder to include regions in the "Other destinations" list, as that means we'll have to get all those regions up to usable status instead of just the destinations! ;-). To get a region usable, it states it "Has links to the region's major cities and other destinations (the most important of which must be at usable status or better), and a Get in section describing all of the typical ways to get there. The most prominent attractions are identified with directions." I don't know what we'd do with the Frisian Lakes, but I guess it should also be a region someday. So to get the Netherlands usable, we must get the following destinations to usable:
District Status Missing
Amsterdam Usable
Delft Usable

Groningen Usable

The Hague Usable

Leiden Usable

Maastricht Usable

Nijmegen Usable

Rotterdam Guide
Utrecht Usable

Efteling Usable

Hoge Veluwe National Park Usable

Lisse Usable

Kinderdijk Outline

Emmeloord Outline

Maybe rename this one Noordoostpolder?

South Limburg Usable

Texel Outline

Waterland and Zaan Region Outline

Will be boosted to usable if the following destinations are usable:

Broek in Waterland Outline

Edam Outline

Marken Outline

Monnickendam Outline

Purmerend Outline

Not sure if this one should be considered as "important", as its not really a tourist destination

Volendam Outline
Zaandam Outline
Zaanse Schans Outline
Frisian Lakes Outline

This region still has to be created (see [3]). Will be boosted to usable if the following destinations are usable:

Bolsward Outline

IJlst Outline

Hindeloopen Outline
Joure Outline
Lemmer Outline
Sneek Outline
Sloten Outline
Stavoren Outline
Workum Outline

So still quite some work left I guess. --globe-trotter 10:52, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

Crikey..... you have whole regions as Other destinations? Not sure that is desirable. It does happen a bit in countries where a region is also an island, but you might want to look at that again for the Netherlands--Burmesedays 10:59, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
Wow, quite an extensive reply, thanks :-) However, now I'm confused. If I look at other countries that have usable status, say Belgium for example, many have a bunch of "other destinations" that aren't even close to usable. That led me to the conclusion that the main ones should be usable, not all. I wouldn't want to define the Frysian Lakes as a region in that sense, especially not if that would keep the main article further from usable status. I suggested it as a tourist destination for its water sports facilities, and it does have a few interesting towns. However, it doesn't make sense to me that full articles for places like Sloten (650 inhabitants) or Workum (4000), which might not even be mentioned in other guides due to their limited importance for travelers, should be a condition for a usable article for the Netherlands?
As for the regions, in principle I'm in favor here, as in our small country regions like South Limburg or the Zaanstreek really are commonly considered as "one destination" and tourist information materials are structured in that way. With Hoge Veluwe as an exception, national parks are not even known to the general public. Justme 11:11, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
If you find mistakes like Belgium, please change the status of the article, leaving an edit note explaining why.
On regions, I thought we had a guidelines that a top level region should not also be listed as an Other destination in a country article? I might be dreaming though as I can't find it....--Burmesedays 11:17, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
Regions as ODs makes sense for the Netherlands I think, and there are many countries where this happens as well (like Krabi Province is an OD in Thailand and the Loire Valley in France). The difference between an island and a region is in a way artifical, as an island is also a region. None of the regions listed under OD in the Netherlands are top-level regions.
About the Frisian Lakes, that was just my interpretation of it, I am not sure how else to define it. The Frisian Lakes region in a sense is similar to South Limburg, except that the latter region is much better developed on Wikitravel. We could also maybe cramp the Frisian Lakes into one destination article, though it sounds like it could have a lot of content and span a very large area.
Oh, and about Belgium, that one is just wrong. It should be downgraded to outline. It does not even have 9 ODs listed, and many of those listed are outline destinations. --globe-trotter 11:23, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
All good on the regions then. Just one important point to understand - no country has to show 9 ODs. The wording at Wikitravel:Country article template is pretty clear on that: Sometimes a country has destinations that aren't really cities; for example, large national parks like the Grand Canyon, or archaeological sites like Angkor Wat. These should usually be listed on the region page for the region they're in, but for especially prominent ones you can also list them separately here, with descriptions, if they exist. Otherwise, leave out this section. --Burmesedays 11:30, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
I understand they are not necessarily required. But Belgium has 11 million inhabitants, it should easily be able to boast 9 ODs. --globe-trotter 11:37, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

Right. I suggest we leave the Frysian lakes out of the equation then, for now. I'll add its sports activities under the Do-section, does that make sense? Then we can always look into the need/desirability of that region later. I don't think it compares to South Limburg very well, as that is an official and much referred to region, highly more developed in terms of tourism. As far as I know, the Frysian Lakes in daily life are rather used in senses like: "i'm going sailing on the Frysian Lakes this week". But I'm not 100% sure either.
As for the Belgian mistake: that explains then, but it does mean we have a bunch of other countries with usable status that don't meet those criteria. A quick survey of the first 5 [4] shows me that Andorra, Bulgaria, Bosnia, China can't meet the criteria you would set for the Netherland above.. Justme 11:44, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
Yes, all those countries should all be downgraded to outline. The Netherlands is quite far in development, except for regions listed as ODs. We could turn the Frisian Lakes into an article, but then we'd still have to develop the most important destinations in the Waterland and Zaan Region (which would at least include those villages I mentioned, although Purmerend probably could be left out). --globe-trotter 11:53, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
Anyone who notices an incorrect article status should just please just change it. Little attention is paid to these until we get to the top of the status list.--Burmesedays 12:04, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
I will downgrade some of those countries that don't fit the criteria. About the Frisian Lakes, there are three options:
  • Describe them in the Do section of Friesland, this means that all "important" destinations in Friesland would need to be usable, which would be a hard task to complete.
  • Make them a region, which means we'd need to make the "important" destinations in that region usable (I selected a few large towns and the towns of the Elfstedentocht in the table above, but it'd be up for debate I guess). Probably even harder to complete.
  • We could turn the Frisian Lakes into an article. Easier to do though its a bit odd as at least some towns deserve their own articles I think (notably Sneek).

--globe-trotter 12:09, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

I'm not sure what the best option is. The cheese market in Alkmaar might be much more popular, especially with foreigners, but personally I'd prefer a sailing trip in Friesland over it. Again though, I think we should not be creating situations in which the guidelines lead to unlogical or unreasonable criteria. Personally, I'd prefer a consensus that something like the Frysian Lakes don't have to meet the full usuable criteria for the Netherlands guide to be usable. It just doesn't make any sense to demand full guides for villages I, as a Dutch person, have never even heard of, for the country article to be just usable. If we can't make an exception, then I think we should either make a simple article out of it or replace it with another "other destination". In any cast, perhaps I should have put my question on the talk page of the article. Feel free to move it there, if you want. A copy of the table would be useful there in any cast. I'll try to find some more statistics and info later. Justme 13:07, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

Moved discussion to Talk:Netherlands.

My enthusiasm for this whole site has been send to the bottom today. I have no intention of putting more time and effort into any article, just to see it nominated for deletion within 15 minutes, and only for reasons of "guidelines". I get the need for structure and I applaud all the work that has been put into organizing all the content here, but I feel that the small regular crowd tends to care more for rules and guidelines than cooperation and good travel info. That nomination of the Delta works, to me, is not only wrong in terms of content, but also discouraging and rude. It may be true that that's nothing personal and "just the way it works here", but that's only more wrong and calls for a critical look on common practice. Personally, I think the Netherlands as an article is very usable to any traveller, so I would be more than comfortable if you'd just leave out that 9th one for the time being, and would upgrade the article (with some minor tweaks perhaps). It would set a usable status minimum for any other destination to be added, but that's more than reasonable. I'll leave it to you, though, sorry. Thanks for working with me! Justme 16:29, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

Considering how much praise you've received for your hard work in recent weeks, I would encourage you not to let one minor incident get you down. A deletion nomination is not a death sentence; trust in consensus to reach the right decision, and remember that nothing on a wiki is irreversible. LtPowers 17:04, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

Answer from Hrcolyer

All these years present, and still no welcome message. I have fixed that now :) Good luck in using Wikitravel and thanks for your edits! --globe-trotter 18:25, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Thanks! Tend to be more of a user really, but do occasionally try and beef up the articles on places I know... Hrcolyer 18:42, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Thailand See and Do

Well done with that! I know from my attempts at Indonesia, that it is not easy. --burmesedays 23:58, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

Thanks! I am still thinking about writing a section on natural scenery, but I'm a bit out of ideas now :) --globe-trotter 00:02, 31 August 2011 (EDT)


Hello Globetrotter,

I am contacting you more or less at random because I want to talk something over with you. The reasons for this are that you seem to take an interest in several pages I have edited and others that I took a look at for comparisson and that I think you are Dutch (as am I). I have added 'Cafe Cremers' to the Den Haag page. Seeing as it is a coffee shop where everybody can drink and smoke it is unique, but it seemed fun to designate it as a coffee shop, for our tourists. We are famous for it, mind, but there are no mentions of them on any of the pages I have compared with. So, I made a subsection under 'drink' and dubbed it 'smoke'. I think it is a great idea feel we might wish to add such a section to the pages of every major Dutch city. That way the tourists will not get stuck in that place where everbody gets treated rudely, but go to the shop where everybody dances like Iggy Pop (if you know what I mean). Do you think this is a great idea as I do, or do you think I should remove the subsection? Thanks for the input. --Faust 21:58, 2 September 2011 (EDT)

Hey Faust! It is perfectly fine to add coffeeshops to Dutch cities, they are major places to visit in Dutch nightlife. At the The Hague page, the Smoke section currently seems a top-level section. As you have stated, I think it'd be better to have the Smoke section (or "Coffeeshops" section as its called in Amsterdam) listed under the Drink section. That way all nightlife facilities are grouped under Drink, while coffeeshops are easily grouped in their own section. So yes, a great idea overall, keep adding your favorite listings! :) --globe-trotter 22:49, 2 September 2011 (EDT)
Thanks Globetrotter, that was sort of what I was going for, but I am not all that experienced, so it turned out as a top-level section. I'll edit (if you have not yet done so). --Faust 05:51, 3 September 2011 (EDT)
Could you look it over to see if it lives up to standards? I imagine people will add other later (I quit the habit 10 years ago, but I enjoy this shop for the athmosphere and one can drink there as well). --Faust 06:00, 3 September 2011 (EDT)
Yes, it's well done! The only thing is that it's better to use the [add listing] button on the right of the section, as then you can just fill in the gaps. Also keep in mind that Scheveningen has a separate article. --globe-trotter 10:55, 3 September 2011 (EDT)
I am unsure why I added the blue white studio to te hague. I did know it was in scheveningen... Funny how the mind works. Other than that, I just added most when I created the sub-sections, so I never aw the button. But thanks for the tips and the thumbs up! Maybe I'll see you around at the Rijswijk page. :) --Faust 11:02, 3 September 2011 (EDT)
By the way, Should we not name the top-section something like consume or something? Drink is such a strange name for stuff that can be smoked and all.. --Faust 11:06, 3 September 2011 (EDT)
Yes, "Drink" is a bit odd, as it includes cafes, nightlife, clubs, coffeeshops, and many other varieties of nightlife. But well, while the name is a bit odd, it's quite a logical grouping I guess. --globe-trotter 11:29, 3 September 2011 (EDT)
Ok, to your health then! --Faust 16:05, 3 September 2011 (EDT)


Hi Globe-trotter. Are we okay to upgrade Celle to guide status? This would appear to be normally a criterion for DOTM articles? Regards. --SaxonWarrior 07:56, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

It's not only a guide, it's a strong one. I commented on this recently at /Talk:Celle#Status_of_this_article. --burmesedays 08:16, 5 September 2011 (EDT)
Yes, it's definitely guide status :) --globe-trotter 12:53, 5 September 2011 (EDT)


What happened there? My browser was showing the big map as duplicated, and the "<!--PRINT PRINT-->" code looked like something we wouldn't want there. Did I delete the only copy of the big map? Ikan Kekek 03:32, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

Those PRINT tags are crucial for Wikitravel Press guides. Without that line, the map would not show up in the printed guide. The reason the map showed up as duplicated before, was because the user adding the tour broke the print tag. --globe-trotter 03:49, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
Wikitravel press guides? People in the press use these guides as printouts? Ikan Kekek 04:23, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
Well, not people in the press. But Wikitravel articles are sold as commercial guides, yes. See [5]. --globe-trotter 06:28, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
I can't imagine why there would be much market for that, when you can just print out pages yourself from any printer connected to any computer. But whatever works. Ikan Kekek 10:09, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
See Wikitravel:Wikitravel Press. People buy them because it's a lot easier than printing them out yourself, and it looks a lot better. And see Wikitravel:Template index#Print formatting for other things you shouldn't remove. =) LtPowers 10:15, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
Indeed. I have one here (although I must say it was a gift). It looks a lot better and I also find such a nice little booklet more convenient than a pile of home-made copies. But then again, that probably depends on your printer and binding facilities hehe.. Justme 10:21, 13 September 2011 (EDT)


I am wondering why you bumped Lombok down to outline? I think this is one of the better 2nd level region articles anywhere at WT, and definitely usable. The 3rd level region articles below it are decent enough. I do not think the presence of red-linked speculative city articles should effect any of that. --burmesedays 08:10, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

Yes it's definitely usable. I saw it guide, and saw it did not file the criteria for it, as many towns do not have established articles. So I just downgraded it to outline, while instead I should have downgraded it to usable. --globe-trotter 11:58, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
The question is whether Praya, Selond, and Sekotong count as "the region's major cities" for Central and East Lombok and South Lombok respectively. Regions can have usable status without having every sub-destination be usable. --Peter Talk 17:47, 26 September 2011 (EDT)


Hi, any idea how that table was causing the problem? Also, just curious, how did you work out it was the table? Cheers. -- felix 07:35, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

I am not sure why, that's why I removed the complete table (else I would have fixed it). I found it was the table by going through the article and checking many different things that could be causing the issue. --globe-trotter 08:54, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
Hi, I finaly got around to it and fixed the table, I recall you might have deleted similar tables elsewhere but I cannot recall where. I cannot seem to dig out any clues from you contrib histories...any recollection? --felix 02:35, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

Thonglor midtown

Thonglor midtown is no more, all the businesses are gone, and the name has been removed from the building. No idea what will happen next. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nk (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the info! I've already updated the map accordingly. --globe-trotter 05:11, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

Huge cities

Hi, G-t. Can I ask why you've moved the functionality of Template:Huge into Template:PrintDistricts? LtPowers 09:27, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

I've been incorporating it into that template, because the articles exactly overlap. This way the {{huge}} tag is not necessary anymore. --globe-trotter 09:51, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
New York City doesn't use Template:PrintDistricts. LtPowers 17:11, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
Shouldn't it? --Peter Talk 19:56, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
I replaced it some time ago with a custom message because (three of) its constituent boroughs are themselves huge cities. LtPowers 08:48, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
Yes, I hadn't seen New York City was an exception! I've added [[Category:Huge city articles]] to the New York City article to make sure it shows up in the list. --globe-trotter 08:59, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Ko Lipe

Hi, Globe-trotter. First, I just want to acknowledge all the great work you do. You spend a lot of time cleaning up articles and working to improve formatting, and I tip my hat to you.

About Ko Lipe, I don't understand why you don't want Castaway Divers to list freediving among their services. My feeling is, as long as it's all in one listing and isn't touty, it's fine for them to mention every service they have (at least within reason). Also, he's right about Elephant Books & Coffee, even if he pointed out the "inconsistency" in an annoying way, as if it's intentional on anyone's part and he has to be passive-aggressive instead of just deleting the multiple entries he saw.

If you don't hear from me for a while, it's because I went to sleep and then worked all day tomorrow.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek 05:08, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

I am not against the listing, it's just that it was placed as being "freediving" itself [6], while I think it should be placed as a separate listing after an overview of freediving is given. --globe-trotter 05:13, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
I got and agreed with that part. By the way, it looks like Castaway Divers is both a "Do" and a "Sleep" in the latest version of the Ko Lipe guide, and that should not be the case. Ikan Kekek 21:12, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
sorry if I came across as passive-aggressive, didn't mean too, had already read rules about other owners not editing competitors listings, just felt a bit peeved as didn't understand, the rules regarding two listings. really had no intention of touting, just wanted to add info about a service we provide, once I understood the two listings logic I add the service to the dive operations section as it is offered through the dive centre.
Now though I feel penalized, as you have removed my dive companies listing, that's is a legitimately separate business, from the resort, it is a separately list Ltd, it has it's own website, and has it's own management and although on the same beach it has its own building beach being over 2km long.
would love to add more info about the island general, and sorry if I make mistakes in where I place the info in advance,if you would like me to write the intro to Freediving would love too. think I understand now how you guys would like it mentioned, it is an interesting sport and would add to pages interest Pierre drake 00:28, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
Of course, I had no way of knowing Castaway Divers and Castaway Resort were two different businesses; instead, they look for all the world like divisions of the same business. Assuming that they really are two separate entities, as you state: Speaking for myself, and not for Globe-trotter, my only problem with your latest edits, in that case, is that your reference to your business in the section explaining what Freediving is smacks of being promotional, because even though I take it that you are in fact the only freediving shop in Ko Lipe, you really shouldn't be referring people to your listing there - that gives you three different references within one guide, and really pulls the guidelines on listings to the breaking point. And for that reason, I'm deleting that reference in that place. But with all that said, I appreciate your willingness to cooperate and help make the guide better - that's the most important thing. All the best, Ikan Kekek 03:41, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
no problem try to keep all reference out of the equation, how do you suggest, people find the location of any particular activity would say (check dive operators out for course) be OK.. thus tourist would then know where to find further info without some reference kind of like shooting in the dark? Re: Maps etc., would you like me to make one up, a lot of work involved but think I might have time over x-mass to try and do one? would love to add some photo's but read alot about load times etc. how do you guy's feel about some more picture's, if yes how many which sections etc? Pierre drake 09:26, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
They can just search the page for more mentions of freediving. It's not hard for them to find if they're interested. I'd like to hear Globe-trotter's opinion, but my feeling is, good maps and good, non-promotional photos always add value to a guide. And I would also say that it would be fine and indeed helpful to show the locations of different dive shops, hotels and whatnot in the maps. Ikan Kekek 09:41, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Where you can stick it

Hi, G-t. It would be really helpful if, when you add something to Wikitravel:Where you can stick it, you also mirrored that new addition in the "By section" section of the page. Thanks! LtPowers 17:31, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Ah, hadn't noticed that section, will do so next time!--globe-trotter 09:48, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

removing isPartOf


I just thought I'd point out that (even though it isn't used very much) in order for RDF to work correctly, isPartOf is required on district articles, even though it isn't required for the breadcrumbs. See Template:IsPartOf. I'm sure there is probably a policy to the contrary somewhere else saying it isn't required, but the RDF is definitely wrong if it isn't there. --inas 23:56, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Koh Lipe: castaway


sorry if I came across as passive-aggressive, didn't mean too, had already read rules about other owners not editing competitors listings, just felt a bit peeved as didn't understand, the rules regarding two listings. really had no intention of touting, just wanted to add info about a service we provide, once I understood the two listings logic I add the service to the dive operations section as it is offered through the dive centre.

Now though I feel penalized, as you have removed my dive companies listing, that's is a legitimately separate business, from the resort, it is a separately list Ltd, it has it's own website, and has it's own management and although on the same beach it has its own building beach being over 2km long.

would love to add more info about the island general, and sorry if I make mistakes in where I place the info in advance,if you would like me to write the intro to Freediving would love too. think I understand now how you guys would like it mentioned, it is an interesting sport and would add to pages interest. Pierre drake 00:31, 18 October 2011 (EDT)