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Hello Edmontonenthusiast! Welcome to Wikitravel.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Thank you for your enthusiastic work on Edmonton, and on Vancouver, Calgary and some other pages where I've seen your work. I admire your enthusiasm! JimDeLaHunt 02:50, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Districts in Calgary

I saw you added some districts to Calgary#Understand. Please see the discussion in Talk:Calgary#Districts and Huge City?. I've removed that "Districts" section until there's a consensus on Talk. Please join the discussion there! Thank you, JimDeLaHunt 02:50, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

A thankyou

Thank you to Jim for being so helpful! I like how you called me 'enthusiastic' heh! You are so helpful! Edmontonenthusiast 19:11, 22 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast

right hand only

In Pakistan we believe that each time you eat or drink with your right hand, you get blessed. Left hand is for cleaning your bum after you use the toilet. Thanks!Raja1020 10:02, 21 November 2008 (EST)


Just a hint, you really really shouldn't be using capital letters as much as you do, it's the internet equivalent of shouting at someone (and not just like a HEY for catching the attention of someone), and most people (including me) find it to be rude. No, I'm not offended or anything, I'm pretty easy going :) But it's certainly not going to help you around here. Sertmann 21:38, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh I am so sorry, I already knew about that, but did not think it pertained to here. Thankyou, I won't do it again (Unless Necessary!).

Edmontonenthusiast 22:02, 22 October 2008 (EDT)Edmonton Enthusiast


Just a suggestion... your signature seems to be a bit goofy, it's adding your username twice... perhaps in your preferences you accidentally added your username again into one of the boxes? If you blank them, your signature will appear more normal, like this: Edmontonenthusiast 19:06, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Or, you can also add in something under "real name" in your prefs, so if you put Edmonton Enthusiast it will come out as: Edmonton Enthusiast 19:06, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Again, just a suggestion :) – cacahuate talk 21:09, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, I don't get it...It may be because I am trying to relax, do a TON of WikiT stuff and do some Spanish homework...please try in simpler terms...also I'm new... Edmontonenthusiast 21:13, 23 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast

Nooo worries. Take a look at you signature, after your last comment. See how it starts out with your username (which is linked to your user page), then the time and date, and then, the strange part, it shows Edmontonenthusiast again, right after (EDT). See what I mean? Go to Special:Preferences, are "Real name" and "Nickname" blank? – cacahuate talk 22:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Yes, they're blank... Edmontonenthusiast 22:07, 23 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast
Ok then, next question... When you sign your name on talk pages, are you typing anything other than 4 tildes (~~~~) ? You don't need to type your name or anything, just that, and it will do the rest – cacahuate talk 22:08, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh I did my name¿ Edmontonenthusiast 22:13, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Aha! Well, the last one is perfect  :) If you ever want to change it, you can add something in the "Real name" box in Special:Preferencescacahuate talk 22:17, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Thanks! Can you look over Edmonton/Central and tell me if I am doign a good jon¿? Edmontonenthusiast 22:20, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

You should adjust the link in your signature to point to User:Edmontonenthusiast rather than just Edmontonenthusiast, which is an article that doesn't exist ;) – cacahuate talk 22:10, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Ok, is there like a link at the bottom or something to make the sig turn colour like yours easier? also, i usually just do Edmontonenthusiast 23:08, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Good luck

Ok, I think i got you started now, so I'm gonna take a step back and let you work your magic. You can still ask of course, just don't expect me to respond on the hour to your questions in the future, it may even take a day or something - I have huge piles of work awaiting, doing my own articles and janitorial work, and I pretty much spend the whole evening getting you set - good luck with your writing :) and i look forward to seeing some completed districts, good to have another enthusiastic user around. Sertmann 21:23, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh thank you so much for using up some of your time. Did you see my nomination? Sorry for asking so much. Do stop by and look at my work, and comment in the discussion if you like :). Edmontonenthusiast 21:26, 23 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast

Work section

Hi there. To answer your question, I deleted the work section from the Edmonton article because the purpose of the section is to inform travellers of opportunities to make money while travelling, not to tell what kind of work is available for someone who might move there. The description in the article template says:

What possibilities are there for travellers to earn money in this city? Note that this is kind of long-range and probably won't be appropriate for most destinations.

Since you pointed it out, I deleted part of the Work section in the Calgary article too. Notice that what I left though are a few thing a travellers could do.

By the way, I do appreciate your enthusiasm and all the hard work you are doing. I hope you don't get too frustrated with those of us editing your work. We are just trying to make it more consistent with the Wikitravel ideal. Keep up the good work. Texugo 03:53, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, Texugo, you are helping, but, can you check the Travellers pub, I think there is something about you, if not I think you could help! Its at the bottom, or near it (depending on when you look @ it it may not be at the bottom)! Thansk, Edmontonenthusiast 12:25, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Longmont, CO

I added some more to it. -- 00:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh thats really good, I'm glad to see you editing so much, it makes me feel good! :) Maybe you should get an account, maybe? It's good seeing you edit such a neat little town! I really like Prospect New Town, hehe! Edmontonenthusiast 00:32, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

Edmonton map and other general comments

Hey Edmonton, doing an overview map of Edmonton that shows its districts and major roads isn't a problem. But two things first -- 1. You need to define the boundaries of each district first and give me an idea of what the major roads are, and 2. It takes time! Probably about 2-3 weeks, possibly more since I'm very busy with work right now. I'll probably release a first cut without streets just to get something up and add the roads and transit later.

I just did a bit of work on Edmonton/Central and I'll try to drop by a couple of times a week to help out. You've made a great start on the district articles and your writing style is pretty good. A couple of things I noted are:

  • the boundaries of each district should be defined somewhere at or near the start of the article so anyone reading the article will know where the district is in relation to the rest of the city
  • consistency with the Manual of style (or MoS) -- it's not such a big deal when an article is starting out, but as it progresses it's important that listings are consistent and complete (e.g., address, phone #, website, hours, admission cost). Obviously, not all listings will have this info, but if there's a website, it's good to get as much of the contact/admission info as possible. I formatted some of the Edmonton/Central#See listings as an example.
  • watch the length on some of restaurant/drink listings -- they shouldn't be more than a few lines

Anyway, keep up the effort. Edmonton looks a lot better already, but it's a huge project and will take some time. Shaund 20:25, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

(I am putting this in my talk page, as well) OH THANK YOU SHAUND...YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY YOU'VE MADE ME SERIOUSLY! OH THANK GOD! LOL...anyways I know you won't put roads in first but you need to put in the river and the city boundaries! OK? Thanks agaiN! I don't mind that it takes a few weeks, it's just a load off because I know I'd suck and I'm busy with the "written" part ;), plus other stuff I like to do (going out, Playing SimCity, hanging out with the people I love :)) this is just such a load off! Oh thank you Shaund! And I will add the districts borders to the main page and the districts, but how would you go about describing if say it is "bound by the north by one road, but then its northern side goes in a southwest direction on another road, then a east-west road again, just further south, etc."?¿ Thank you so much for the advice as well, I am working hard to get all of them USEABLE...then I will do the main article to fit the districts, then I'll be more specific to the manual of style and try and make 'em guides! Thank you for your edits as well, any edits are ALWAYS APPRECIATED. Once you answer my question about district borders, I'll set the borders up :)! Or what I could do is take a map from Open Street and just use that (because the major roads, which are borders are shown) and show you that, then you can make a good one (the OpenStreet one wouldn't really be good for this anyways ;)! Thanks so much Shaund. Just let me know when you are starting, how your progressing (if you want you can upload the incomplete image to show me ... ) and if you have any questions ;)! Thank you so much, by the way,Vancouver rocks! haha. It does, I'm serious, my third favourite city (Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver...). Heh, anywauy,s thanks! Also, are you learning any about Edmonton via these articles, if so, what in particular? Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 20:49, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
No worries, the river and city boundaries will be there. :-) As for borders, I'd prefer them written out; they should be for the district articles anyway. I recommend keeping them as simple (i.e., rectangular) as possible since it makes it easier to describe and follow. I think for one of the Vancouver districts I say the district's borders are 16th Ave to the south, Fir St to west, False Creek in the north and Ontario St to the east. It won't always be that tidy, but it's a good standard to aim for.
BTW, you seem to be stressing a bit about the maps -- don't worry about it. You can have a really strong article without a map. After all, it's pretty easy and cheap to buy a good map for a city, it's not so easy or cheap to buy a good guide to a city like Edmonton.
And thanks for the kind words about Vancouver. I'm sure I'll learn lots about Edmonton -- I've only been there once, and that was years ago with my parents on a family vacation. Far too much time was spent at the West Edmonton Mall :( Shaund 22:46, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
Hey, Shaund! Thanks for all, I just think the main article is like really missing the district map. The borders are pretty simple. Tomorrow I will put the district borders. Remember to tell me when you start (I HOPE SOON!) and tell me how you're progressing! Thanks for all! I will give you a message probably when I put the borders up:). I also added you to "nice people on WikiTravel " just clieck user page:)! Oh so sad that you only saw that horrible, suburban nightmare of a mall. Next time you definately gotta check out Downtown, Oliver, University, and Whyte Ave areas! Just look at the travel guide on where to go :P (104th Street downtown, City centre, festivals, the river valley, 112th St., 124th Street, where the bars are, etc. etc.) Thanks! Reply soon:)!!!!Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 23:24, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
Cool. I'll look for those district borders. And glad I could make the nice people list... just one small thing (so my wife stops laughing at me): it should be "go to him" (not her)! Shaund 01:07, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh sorry, Shaund, that is quite funny. It was just a typo I'll fix that, heheheheeh! I'll send you a nice message in your talk and on here for the information (later) today!!!! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 10:15, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
When I get home I'll get all the information ready! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 14:09, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Hey Edmonton, it's great that you like the maps so much, but... I don't think Edmonton Capital Region and the Calgary Region (when it's created) need maps yet. The articles don't have much content and the cities/towns they're linked to don't have much content either. Once they're stronger, we can revisit it. Shaund 21:44, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Hey Shaund! I was just putting it up in the air, ¡Buen Día de los Muertes! Edmontonenthusiast 00:23, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Welcome message

Hi there. Just a pointer-- when you leave a welcome message for new users, type {{subst:welcome}} instead of just {{welcome}}. Otherwise it literally prints the text "Hello PAGENAME!" instead of inserting their actual username. Texugo 20:52, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Ok thanks, was just tryin' to help :)! Also, I thought it was ok, as thats what I got for my begginner! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 20:54, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Regarding Edmonton map

from your talk page Hi, Shaund! It's what you've been waiting for-the information for the Edmonton district's map ahah! I know, I know you were thinking that all-inclusive trip to Miami! NOOO! Haha, anyways, here's all the information:

Edmonton, as you know, is having 8 districts:

  • Central - bound by: Groat Road in the west from the river until 118th Avenue. The northern boundaries are 118th Avenue which turns into Kingsway Ave. until 111 Avenue, then the northern border takes a north-south boundary at 118th Ave and 97 St. of 97th Street until the Yellowhhead (16) Highway and that continues it's northern border until Wayne Gretzky Drive. It's eastern border is Wayne Gretzky Drive between Yellowhead and river. The southern boundary is the North Saskatchewan River between Groat Road and Wayne Gretzky Drive.
  • East Central - basically east of the Wayne Gretzky Drive, south of Yellowhead, west of the Highway 216/Anthony Henday Dr. (aka eastern boundaries of the city) and north of the river. Basically that!
  • South Central - western boundary is the river. Northern boundary is the river until 98 Avenue then that's its norhtern boundary until Connor's Road (Which is rightaway) then at a traffic circle it continues as 83 St. Oh boy, I just did it's eastern boundary, heh. Then continuuuing the eastern boudary along 82nd/Whyte Avenue until 75th St. 75th St. until Argyll Road. Then the southern boundary is Argyll Road which turns into 63 Avenue then joins up with 61 Avenue west of 104th Street/Calgary Trl. Contuinue on that until 113 St. 113 St becomes the border until Belgravia Road/Fox Drive which is the border until Whitemud Drive, which is the border (for a teeeny bit)until the river! Phewph! Confusing?
  • North - start with the southern boundary which begins in the west as Stony Plain Road until Mayfield Road (north-south road)which then turns into 111(west-east) Avenue which is the border until Groat Road which is the border until 118th Avenue that turns into Kingwway Avenue. Kingsway is then the border until 111 Ave. which is the border until 97th St. 97th is the border until Yellowhead. Then basically anything north of the Yellowhead is the north end. It's eastern boundary is the city limits north of the Yellowhead. Same with the west. The north aswell. Just make sure you check the city borders properyl :)!

Phew-four more!
  • West - the western border is the city limits. The southern border the same. The northern boundary is Stony Plain Road until Mayfield Road which turns into 111 Avenue. That is the border until Groat Road. Groat Road is the eastern boundary until the river, which finishes off being the eastern border all the way south down to the city limits.
  • Southwest - Eastern boundary is 99 St. until Whitemud Drive, which is breif in being the border because at 91 St. that becomes the border. 91 St. is the eastern boundary until Anthony Henday Drive. Anthony Henday is brefily the boundary until Calgary Trail, which becomes the boundary until the city limits. Southern borders are the city limits west of Calg. Trail. Western boundary is the North Saskatchewan River until the Whitemud Drive. Whitemud breifly becomes border. Now we're at the northern boder. At Whitemudand Fox Drive, Fox Drive becomes the border which turns into Belgravia Road. At 113 St., 113 St becomes the border until 61 Avenue. Which is the border until it meets up with 63 Avenue which is the border until 99 St.

  • East - western boundary is 98th Ave until Connor's Rd. then at a traffic circle it continues as 83 St. Then continuing the eastern boudary along 82nd/Whyte Avenue until 75th St. 75th St. until Argyll Road. Then the southern boundary is Argyll Road which turns into 63 Avenue which is the border until 99 St. 99th is the border until Whitemud Drive. The southern boundary is north of Whitmud Drive, east of 99th. The eastern is the city boundaries-I believe Highway 216. Northern boundary is basically the river until Yellowhead Trl. which is the northern boundary until the eastern city limits. *Sigh*.
  • Mill Woods - basically west of 91 Street untilAnthony Henday Drive (highway) which at Calgary Trail, Calgary Trail becomes the western boundary until southern limits. Southern limits is the southern city limits. Northern boundary is Whitemud Dr. east of 91 St. Eastern boundary is city limits.

Ok there, I hhope I was thorough, I was getting tired. If you have any questions ,remember just ask MIIIII. Remember to put in the city limits, I would also like you to grey-out Sherwood Park and Saint Albert (municipalities connected) like the Vancouver map ;)!!!! Also don't forget to PUT IN the river!!!!!!!! Use online maps or bought maps to help you, aswell! To help you further, I saved a map from OpenStreetMaps to give you a different perspective, in case the above was somewhat confusing!


That one shows just the district borders and their names!!!!!

The one below also shows the roads you should put in v2...I know you won't put the roads in rightaway, but soon after the original version is created, please put the roads in. The colours I chose for the words of the districts in this one you can use for the colours of the districts, if you feel as if you'd like to!!!! Here is: File:Roads for eventual map.JPG

Just sucks that all the roads in openstreet for Edmonton aren't on there:(!!!! Anyways, how are yeh? How long do you think this will take? One week? I am thinkin' between one and two weeks. Thanks again, I really do appreciate it, and I'm sorry not more of them were squary but they just don't fit so I had to put specific borders, but I did tone it down, like now Westmount is apart of the northside instead and Rexall Place is in central now. Now I've done my dutties, remember tot tell me how you're progressing and when you've started. Thanks, mate! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 19:18, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the detailed borders and maps. They'll help quite a bit. I'll probably start work on it on the weekend. The whole thing will definitely take more than a week though. Putting down streets is a pain (that Vancouver I map I posted was in the works off and on for three months, for example). Shaund 01:01, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Hey Shaund! Well, make sure you check your talk page, as I forgot to add some things in here but I did there. KK? Anyways thanks for doing this. So basically 1.5 weeks frum now v1.0 should be out! Yay...THIS IS SO COOL! I am glad I could help in any way...make sure if you have questions to please ask!!!! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 01:06, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
TIP: When you start doing the roads, just do the highways then add roads after :)!!!!! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 01:08, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Hey Shaund, since you may have missed this in your talk here it is:Also, do you think that I should really give those information to describe the boundaries in the actual pages? A little long...doncha think? I will reserve doing so until you provide an answer as to what you think, so what do you think on the matter? I don't know, Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 12:44, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, I did miss it. Yeah, those descriptions are kind of long. Do they cover certain neighbourhoods or areas that might be useful for a visitor to know? If they do, that might be easier to grasp. Shaund 01:06, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah they are long, I wanted to make sure you got it and they are not pmoistly perfect squares ebcause sertain parts dont fit with others. anyways-so just like put in some of the popular neighbourhoods-kinna like i am doing now? kk! keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 10:21, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

OK, the new version of the map is up with the roads and LRT. I'm thinking the LRT symbols aren't working well, but I'll see if there are any comments. Shaund 19:47, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Hey Shaund, I looked at it and it's fantastic! No, really! The LRT symbols are fine but you should finish labelling the roads. Other than that, FANTASTIC! Keep smiling, ee talk 20:31, 11 November 2008 (EST).

Hi EE, I uploaded version 3 of the map. I've added more street names, made 170th yellow from Whitemud to Yellowhead, extended 82nd and added NW to all the numbered streets (other than Ellerslie/9th). There are still a small number of streets that don't have names, but they should be cases where the name was too long or it would make the map look cluttered. I didn't add a Hwy 2 symbol to 170th though -- both Google and Wikipedia indicated it follows Anthony Henday Drive up to Yellowhead and not 170th.

BTW, I took a read of the main Edmonton page. It reads really well, you've done a fantastic job. :-) Shaund 01:12, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Hey Shaund, thank you for that! I checked it out-a few still don't have the NW but thats a simple fix. It's all looking mucho great. And thanks for the compliments on Edmonton. Very much appreciated, really. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:48, 19 November 2008 (EST).

No problem

Hi WindHorse! I want to thank you for you're ideas in the Travellers' Pub! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast

No problem. Let me know is I can help with anything. WindHorse 00:24, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks! Did you check your summary on my userpg? Like it? Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 00:27, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Nope, but I just took a look, but couldn't find it. Anyway, I'm sure it will be fine. Cheers. WindHorse 00:38, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
tRY reloading...theres like a bug. try that, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edmontonenthusiast 01:00, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
OK... Got it. Thank you. Now I have the challenge of trying to live up to the epithets. WindHorse 02:03, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
Heh, Keep Smiling Edmontonenthusiast 10:24, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Advice on Districts

No, I have no advice on districts :-( I find places with one article and small towns so much nicer to work on that large cities. Hong Kong and Macau are nice, because the geography forms the districts for you. Easy to know where everything belongs. Sydney is a nightmare, because there are no accepted districts, no natural geography, and the attractions are spread out. Attractions like Sydney Harbour have no logical single place to put them. I only work on Sydney Districts after taking a deep breath. When I need to relax, I update a place like Hungerford. --Inas 22:39, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

THANKS! Yeah, unlike Sydney Metro, Edmonton doesn't have much geogrpahic borders but it has definate borders. I find it hard how much of the stuff to do is in certain sections, and the other districts left empty. But those districts shoudl NOT be combined with othersbecause they have distinctivenesss!!!!! Ugh it is a constant struggle and you need a lot of energy to do it. Otherwise you just find randomly editing other pages SO SO much easier!! Thanks, really! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 00:48, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Editing other pages is good! I take a break from Vancouver every now and then just to do something different. It also gives you a chance to see what other people are doing and give you fresh ideas. It's all part of that keeping smiling :-) Shaund 01:10, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, it is, very much a break from it all. And yeah, its nice seeing how others do it, or fixing little things. Keep smiling, haha, Edmontonenthusiast 10:22, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Calgary History

Hey there, sorry, I'm not doing a Calgary history write up. I know nothing about its history so I'd have to research it from scratch. That'll be a job for someone else. Shaund 22:32, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Ok, thanks anyways, I'll try myself at a later time ;)! Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 22:59, 30 October 2008 (EDT)


Hey, just rolled back the Europe article. In order for an article to become guide - all subpages must be atleast usable - which is not the case for Europe - to say the least ;o) Sertmann 17:03, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

oops, sorry! keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 17:05, 31 October 2008 (EDT)


Hey there, regarding this discussion, this user's talk page isn't really the appropriate place to challenge our policy on userpages. There are tons and tons of policy pages around our site, it's best to look and see if a policy (or discussion) exists and maybe read that before commenting.

As a wiki we like to keep things as open as possible. But as you can imagine, if unwatched, this site could turn into an enormous advertisement which nobody wants. We try not to police userpages, but we also aren't a personal homepage service. Have a look at non-goals # 4 and # 6cacahuate talk 20:56, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Ok, sorry. I hope I am not making any violations with my UP?! Also, I see where you're coming from. Keep smiling, Edmontonenthusiast 21:37, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Swept in from Talk:Edmonton

Hi EE. Hope you don't mind if I abbreviate your username. =) Anyway, I wanted to explain in detail how the image description page works. This applies to all wiki sites, including both English Wikitravel and Wikitravel Shared (which is where your images are). You probably already know a lot of this, but bear with me.

On Wikitravel Shared, when you click "Upload file" (shared:Special:Upload), you get a form with several fields: Source filename, Destination filename, Summary, and Licensing. You know what Source and Destination are, of course. The "Summary" field and the "Licensing" field have some special magic behind them. Whatever you put in those fields is converted into text that goes onto the image description page.

For example, if you type "This is a photo by Edmontonenthusiast," in the "Summary" field, and select "Any Attribution-Sharealike" in the "Licensing field", then the image description page for your new image will look like this:

This is a photo by Edmontonenthusiast.

Now, the confusing part is that when you use "Upload a new version of this file" -- or anytime you use shared:Special:Upload to upload a file that already exists -- the Summary and Licensing fields work differently than I just described!

When you're uploading a new version of an existing file, the "Licensing" field is completely ignored. The "Summary" field is not ignored, but instead of having the text you enter go on the image description page, like it did before, now it goes into the little table at the bottom that shows the different revisions of the file. In other words, it treats the "Summary" as a summary of the changes you made to the file, not as a description of the file itself. So when uploading a new version, you'd type something like "adjusted the color balance of the image" or "cropped image."

So what do you do if you want to change the information you originally entered? Well, you don't upload a new version of the file. The image description page can be edited just like an article can. Just click the edit button at the top of the page, and you'll be able to change the text to read whatever you want -- you could change "Summary" to "Description", you could delete the licensing tag, you could add an image description template -- anything!

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have further questions.

-- LtPowers 09:46, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Heya I don't mind EE, 'tis simplistic! Well anyways I think it makes sense. Just incase-lemme see if I got this rigth! ! Well basically all I need to do is change the summary, like I don't need to upload a new version? Just re - edit the description? If so, thank you, that is so so much easier! Hope I got it this time 'round! Keep smiling, ee talk 12:17, 4 November 2008 (EST).
Sounds like you've got it right. LtPowers 12:31, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks, LT, you're really helpful! Have a good day mate! Keep smiling, ee talk 12:32, 4 November 2008 (EST).

Vancouver questions

Hey there, that's actually a tough question you asked about what's my favourite part/district of Vancouver. I work downtown but live in North Van, so I don't spend much time in Vancouver itself. Kits is cool for the beach and people watching; Granville Island has a good atmosphere with the market, the restaurants, the little theaters; downtown is obviously good if you want to go out drinking after work and English Bay is tough to beat on a sunny summer afternoon after work. But mostly I hang out on the North Shore since it has the snow in winter and hiking the rest of the year, and lots of pretty spots like Deep Cove, Horseshoe Bay and Lynn Canyon where, even though you're in a metro area of 2.5 million people, you'd never think it.

As for the best spots to see Vancouver's skyline, it really depends on what you're after. If you want to see downtown but not the mountains, the classic spot is probably Lonsdale Quay in North Van. You can also get some interesting views of downtown from Stanley Park between the yacht club and the 9 o'clock gun. Another interesting angle of downtown (and rarely photographed) is from a lookout at Lighthouse Point Park in West Van. If it's clear, you can see the condos and towers of the West End rising out of English Bay, with Kits off to the west and Mount Baker above both (but it has to be very clear).

If you're trying to capture the mountains, Queen Elizabeth Park (the highest point in the city) has a nice view, although downtown is quite small because of the distance. The beaches in Kits (Jericho probably gives the best view, but don't quote me on that) are probably the most popular spot for capturing the skyline of the downtown peninsula with the mountains in the background. If you want something more gritty, Vancouver's City Hall (Cambie & 12th, roughly where I took the photo that's on the top of the page right now) provides a view of the new towers in Yaletown with some of the older buildings in the eastern part of downtown, framed by the North Shore mountains in the background. And if all you want is the mountains, I've seen some incredible panoramas taken from the top of the Harbour Center (Vancouver Lookout). Walking to the end of Canada Place will also give you a nice view of the mountains, although not as much perspective since you're lower to the ground. Shaund 00:39, 7 November 2008 (EST)

Hay Shaund! How'rya!? Thanks for the nice long response. It seemed genuine. I wanted to know because I'm probably going to Vancouver next summer and I really love the city and missed a lot last time, also just for general wondering-SO THANKS! To reply-Kits seems really neat from pictures i've seen, epseciallty the shopping, though i've never been---EXCEPT A DRIVE BY to Seattle. And yeah I've heard of Granville, people here in Ed that've been say thay love it. For downtown, I remember last time I just loved it. To me Vancouver is like really beautiful. You guys make good use of curtain wall towers! Sometime I should show you some really neet pics I've found on the internet of Vancouver. Anyways...I really liked the STORYEUM ... toooo bad that closed. I didn't really check out Robson St., though next time I will. I think next time I'll like tour WestVan also, which I barely saw. For skylines, I took pics from Stanely Park, though didnt turn out well due to being at night. I know about from Spanish Banks and the North Van though I've never really been. The one you took from Cambie seems really interesting, I particularily like the clash of modern fab/old grit or even just old/new. I will DEFINITELY have to check out next time I'm in VanCity! Thanks! Have you been learning about Edmonton much through the Edmonton articles? If so-what-give some particular examples! Also, whats your favourite Vancouver shopping area? Keep smiling, ee talk 11:12, 7 November 2008 (EST).
Hey EE, I didn't know much about Edmonton before working on the articles, so pretty much everything has been learning. I thought the pyramids and Winston Churchill square (I think that's the name?) were cool. Reading about ski hills in river valleys in the middle of the city made me smile (brings back memories of Ontario!).
As for shopping in Vancouver, I'm not a good person to ask, I avoid shopping! You know, go to the nearest mall and get in and out as fast possible. I hear Robson Street has lots of shops... like, ah, Roots... and HMV... and Tiffany's! In all seriousness though, what they did with Robson Street is pretty cool -- there's a city by-law that says there has to be a new storefront every 40 or 60 feet, so it's created a very walkable street with lots of little shops and boutiques. Shaund 16:52, 9 November 2008 (EST)
So you like the Muttart? Winston Churchill Square, yep. So sad, besides New Years, in Winter its so empty. 'tis quite lively in summer though. Yeah we have a pretty glamourous river valley it's like our icon. Do you like the pics that show it? Is there any buildings that you find interesting? What about the theatre? I'd ask ya about shopping but you don't like it :P.

I love shopping...Robson and Kits seem like the bes.t... I don't really like chain shopping-I can pretty much do that at home. Though it is nice seeing big names-means its' successfull-so long as it doesnt shroud the others. I dont mind if boutiques carry just labels, not theyre own though. Any good pointers on that? Keep smiling, ee talk 17:06, 9 November 2008 (EST). OH and also, next time you come to Edmonton, lemme know, I can give you a list of stuff you might like the most :).

BTW - thanks for the edits on Vancouver and districts. It all helps! Shaund 00:01, 12 November 2008 (EST)
Glad to be helping. Keep smiling, ee talk 00:15, 12 November 2008 (EST).

Downtown Edmonton Map

Sure, I'll be happy to make a downtown Edmonton map for you! :) For an area that small, looks like it'll be a piece of cake. And I'll get to learn something about Canada other than what I hear on TV - that your health care system is awesome and that you play a lot of hockey. :P PerryPlanet 18:40, 7 November 2008 (EST)

well that's about right anyway, and then they say "eh!?" a lot, can't pronounce "About" properly, and manage somehow to stick a maple leaf to just about everything (my best friend is Ontarian) ;o) Sertmann 18:47, 7 November 2008 (EST)
PERRYPLANET! Thank you! I just edited a map from Open Street which I'll show you to help explain things better: there is 13 hotels, 22 buy, 16 see/do, 8 drink, and the biggest: 29 eat. It's pretty fair (more than say Columbus, OH) but not bad really and the road system is for the most part a grid (we have a massive river valley, so some roads wind a bit to get down to the river or to bridge) so the road planning is pretty easy. If you stay on a tiny bit longer, I'll gather up all the information and give it to you. Again I want to thank you, also, how long do you think it'll take you? Keep smiling, ee talk 19:03, 7 November 2008 (EST).
Also, haha to the derrogatory Canadian comments. Sert, American's say "EH" a lot too. How do we say about, we don't do British but at least in EDMONTON, we pronounce it - ah-Bow-tuh. Yeah we have a pretty good healtchare system, but the UK and France have better. We founded the NHL. On top of that we have really clean cities and don't have grit to the amass of America (Chicago, New York, Rustbelt, etc.). We also have denser cities compared to US cities of similar sizes, compare Edmonton and Austin, Toronto and Atlanta, Seattle and Montréal, Winnipeg and Grand Rapids, Ottawa and Oklahoma City, Calgary and San Antonio, Halifax and Boise, etc. etc. We also have very safe cities, like really. Even our dangeroust cities don't compare to most American cities (Toronto, Montréal, Vancouver, Winnipeg). Hmmm...what else? We have more national parks. We have basically 4 different Canadian cultures: Main Canada (BC, Prairies, Ontario, Nova Scotia, New bruswick), Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador/PEI, and the North.Hmmm our English (spelling) is like the British. Stuff like that. Like I hate it when i see's like ugh it's CAPITAL!!!!!!! Haha. Keep smiling, ee talk 19:10, 7 November 2008 (EST).

Also remember, Edmonton has 1.1 million, Abuquerque has 800,000. Edmonton's bigger. Of course you've done Denver (2.6mil) and San Fran (7.3mil) but just comparing because your in NM. Keep smiling, ee talk 19:30, 7 November 2008 (EST).

You Canadian Idiot look at 1:07! :o) I'll never forget my my friend coming back from career day at my university, after talking to some dude from UBC, "oh my god, do I really say "about" like that, I can't believe it, I never noticed before now!! (oh well, maybe you should have been there, but it was hilarious) - and please don't take offense, I like Canada, just messing with ya' Sertmann 19:37, 7 November 2008 (EST)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! What the hell? We don't talk like A-BOOT, at least not in Western Canada. Ahahahahahah that's hilarious, I usually hate it when people make fun of untrue/true facts about Caanda, but thats freaking hilarious! Haahahahahahahahah! Keep smiling, ee talk 19:41, 7 November 2008 (EST).
EHHH! How a'boot that? Now for one of my favorite bits of Canada mockery: the Canada Song from MST3K. Okay, I'm done with the derogatory (but fun) Canadian comments. Your map is ready: Image:Edmonton downtown map.png. If it looks good, go ahead and put it in the article. :) PerryPlanet 20:02, 8 November 2008 (EST)
Perry planet, we really don't say it a-boot. I don't get it. Either ah-bow-tuh or if talking really fast, A-buh. I'll look at that thing in a minute. The map looks fabulous, I'll go and add it and I hope to see you take interest in Edmonton, it's a wonderful city! Also, please be aware I may want to you to updated it once and a bit. Also everything looks fine except two things, which are quite small: You should label the LRT stations and that the buildings that arent labelled you should get rid of, except the one on 104 Avenue and 101 St., the circular one: call that one Baccaratt Casino. Thanks, Keep smiling, ee talk 20:09, 8 November 2008 (EST).
Also, P.P., you might want to put as a small "legend" that the gold coloured thing for 104 st and Rice Howard way means a shopping area. Thanks, ee talk 20:18, 8 November 2008 (EST).
Also, you should probably get rid of the parking "P"'s unless you want to label all the parking-that'd be brutal (lots of small lots). Keep smiling, ee talk 20:24, 8 November 2008 (EST).
Sorry, but I noticed:ENTERPRISE SQ. is not a park, you should have it again as a bldg.
I updated and got everything except putting the malls in the legend. I don't think we need to worry about that, that color is supposed to indicate a trail or pedestrian-only street, like the 16th Street Mall on the downtown Denver map (which I also made). PerryPlanet 20:41, 8 November 2008 (EST)
Perry Planet, 104th Street isn't pedestrian only-but it is a major shopping area. Rice Howard Way is 1-way. Also you should move "MADE IN CANADA" to the corner of Rice Howard and 100 St. Thank you!
Also, "FREE PRESS BISTRO" needs to be moved south to 104 St. and 100 Avenue, it's not on Jasper Ave. KEep smiling, ee talk.
Oh...well, if it's just a street with lots of shops on it, we probably don't need to mark it on the map. You could just mention in the Buy section "104 Street between bla-bla-bla and da-da-da is a shopping district" or something like that. PerryPlanet 20:55, 8 November 2008 (EST)
Perry, go to either the Edmonton main article or Edmonton central and under buy you'll see 104 St. and Rice Howard Way there.  ;) Keep smiling, ee talk 20:57, 8 November 2008 (EST).
Oh well, nice work though PerryPlanet... Sertmann 21:15, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Perry, you did a fine job. Keep smiling, ee talk 21:35, 8 November 2008 (EST).


Looks like you've got it. =) LtPowers 22:31, 7 November 2008 (EST)

THANKS! Keep smiling, ee talk 23:50, 7 November 2008 (EST).


Hi, EE! Since you know so much about Edmonton, have you considered becoming a Docent? LtPowers 19:00, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Hey, LT, thanks for that. So long as I don't need to give out my e-mail I'd be glad. Also, how do people know about docents. The average person that looks on here wouldn't know where to find the Docent page. Thanks, Keep smiling, ee talk 19:26, 8 November 2008 (EST).
You don't have to give out your e-mail, just be available to answer questions on your talk page (and state your preference prominently on your user page). The docents for a destination are listed on the rightleft-hand side of the destination's article page. See Walt Disney World Resort and look under the Search box for an example. LtPowers 21:25, 8 November 2008 (EST)
State your preference prominently? For me it's on the left-side. So am I a docent? Keep smiling, ee talk 21:34, 8 November 2008 (EST).
Left? Isn't that what I said?  ;) Anyway, just follow the instructions on the Wikitravel:Docents page if you want to be listed. LtPowers 21:37, 8 November 2008 (EST)
Do I have to do it for district articles? Keep smiling, ee talk 21:42, 8 November 2008 (EST).
You could, but it's probably not necessary. LtPowers 22:01, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Edmonton Pic at the bottom of the Edmonton Travel Guide

I changed the title from just "Edmonton" to Edmonton skyscrapers from an aerial view. sounds better i think if you want to consult with other wikitravellers on the title please do or change it back. thanks -- 22:39, 8 November 2008 (EST) p.s. good work on the travel guide.

Nono, I saw that and I like what you did. It's fine. Thank you so much for your good work thing, you really don't know how much it is appreciated. Keep smiling, ee talk 22:40, 8 November 2008 (EST).

Regina and other towns in Canada

Edmonton Ent will you just be working on the edmonton and edmonton central tvl guides or a variety of other towns like Regina or Swift Current??? -- 23:30, 8 November 2008 (EST), or do you have a nickname of a sort? Anyways, you obviously haven't been around here long. You don't realize that you cant make assumptions by beeing here for 2 hours. I actually am a Wikitravel:Docents for Edmonton and ALL it's districts. Not to mention I am the one who put almost all the work into all the Edmonton districts and the main article, not just those two. Also, no offense, but you haven't realized, if you go to Saskatoon, and see the bessborough: that's my image. I have done lots of edits the the following other ciites and regions and their districts: Vancouver, Seattle, Saskatoon, Winnipeg, Calgary, Portland (Oregon), Alberta, Canada, San Bernardino, Sydney and United States. Not to mention all the other places where I've done small stuff: most notably: Copenhagen. Sorry for my rudeness. It's just you obviously haven't checked more than Recent changes. No offense. Keep smiling, ee talk 23:36, 8 November 2008 (EST).
Also, ya should consider gettin an account. Keep smiling, ee talk 23:42, 8 November 2008 (EST).

Other Edmonton Maps

Sure, I'll be willing to do a couple more maps. But be sure all your info is straight this time, so that I don't wind up doing a bunch of revisions again. :) PerryPlanet 10:51, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Haha, sure. Which one would you like to do first, then I can gather the info and you can start today. Thank-you. Keep smiling, ee talk 13:12, 9 November 2008 (EST).
Here they are: Image:Edmonton old strathcona map.png and Image:Edmonton oliver map.png. And I updated the downtown map. PerryPlanet 21:39, 9 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks very much! Keep smiling, ee talk 22:42, 9 November 2008 (EST).

The Chocolat Bar

spelled this way EE just wanted to let ya know. --Hayfield 18:48, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Thanks! Keep smiling, ee talk 18:49, 9 November 2008 (EST).


No reason to get indignant. Again, you must try to be patient and pro-active. You can look at the article and ask yourself what it needs and plunge forward yourself. If you want to improve this article, I'd say you could start by finding some more budget sleep listings (there are only two), find some central internet cafes to add, find some phone numbers and websites for the eat listings that are missing them, etc. etc. You don't have to wait for someone to tell you that, and you certainly shouldn't get huffy if no one happened to see your talk page note after only a week. Not everybody sees every single post every time. I didn't even see it until just now and I'm probably here more than you are. Texugo 00:35, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Hrrr...I just don't know Ottawa well so I was wondering what specifically to look at. You also gotta gimme a break, when I posted that I must have only been here 2 days! Keep smiling, ee talk 00:40, 10 November 2008 (EST).

Chilling out

EE, please chill out. Several other contributors have already asked you to do so, repeatedly. If you would take the time to carefully figure out how things work here, by reading our policy articles, and by observing and respecting how things are practiced within the Wikitravel community, you could put your enthusiasm to good use.

As it is, your incessant attention-seeking and blithe charging ahead are causing more harm than good. By cluttering (for example) the pub with discussions that only pertain to you, or which belong on article talk pages or other users' talk pages—if it takes long for someone to respond, it is childish to mess up the pub with demands for attention. By blindly charging ahead with ill-formed proposals on the CotM page without bothering to understand how things work there, how proposals have been worked in the past, you create a mess that is hard to clean up. By ignoring the conventions on the vfd page by leaving all sorts of colored, bolded, and shouted comments, you distract from the real work that needs to be done there. More generally, disregarding the norms of a community you are joining is simply disrespectful.

I realize that your contributions are in good faith, but given how prolific your disruptive comments have become, I am tempted to start reverting them. Please take a step back, do some reading and observing, and chill out. --Peter Talk 14:39, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Fine. I'll never bring up another topic in the Travellers' Pub, CotM page, or even Discussion pages. Aparently it causes to much harm. WHATEVER. Keep smiling, ee talk 14:41, 10 November 2008 (EST).
To add, I am sick of all of you coming down on me, all I am trying is to put up discussions and it is really difficult trying to go on when you have a question that you really wanted answered. Then-you just go on, and then you have to get rid of all that work you put into what you thought was the right answer because it isn't correct. This is painful. Keep smiling, ee talk 14:43, 10 November 2008 (EST).
EE, you have to understand there are only so many of us here. We all have various other projects we're working on, both on Wikitravel and off. There aren't enough of us with enough time to take you step-by-step through everything. But, see, that's the beautiful thing about wikis -- you can go ahead and plunge forward and not have to worry about any mistakes you might make. Begging for help multiple times a day only produces frustration -- frustration in you because you're not getting answers promptly, and frustration in your fellow editors who don't have the time or ability to answer so many questions in detail.
We're not asking you to stop contributing, or even to stop asking questions. But you need to slow down your pace and lower your expectations. By all means, write write write all you want -- you've done a fantastic job with splitting Edmonton into districts. But write for the sake of writing, and don't keep constantly asking if this is okay or that is okay. If there's a problem with what you've done, someone will come along and fix it, or ask you about it. That's how wikis work.
Let me reiterate, your contributions have made Edmonton an article we can be proud of, and I look forward to seeing it become a star one day. We need enthusiastic contributors like you, but you're overwhelming the site. Maybe if we had as many contributors as Wikipedia does, someone could answer all of your questions. Unfortunately we don't -- not yet. For now, we take things slowly and address problems as they arise. I hope you can adjust to our speed, because we value your contributions. LtPowers 14:53, 10 November 2008 (EST)
Let me give you an example. I asked a question on Talk:Finger Lakes on October 20. No one has responded to my question. This happens; it's not a popular article. So I'm not going around posting everywhere I can think of to try to get attention to my question. Instead, I'm going to plunge forward, pick a choice, and implement it. If someone later thinks I did it wrong, then we can discuss it then. Anything can be fixed later. It doesn't have to be perfect right away. The important thing is to write content. The details will eventually work out. LtPowers 14:58, 10 November 2008 (EST)
LT, first of, thanks for the fantastic reply, you too, PFGRLD! Anyways, I guess I should reply to everything, step-by-step. You should understand that it is very frustrating getting no help and isn't very encouraging to edit-luckily I just really like WikiTravel. I am sorry for asking to much of you all. I do hope you've noticed I've toned down the questions, it's just some I'd really like to know. Like the one about my images-that one's aching me! Rgggh. Anyways, I will try and slow my question-asking down more minimal-and try to keep most of them in discussions and talk pgs not the pub :). Thank you for the positive enforcement on my Edmonton work, I love this city. You know, the funny thing is-that by the time we get enough contributers-I'll probably want nobody else, or at least not many people (as say wP) to edit Edmonton because I think they'd screw it up. It's kind of hilarious. The only parts I really need help is with completing the districting. Well thankyou and sorry for my frustrations. I was only getting dramatic when I said I would never bring up suggestions, etc. Don't worry. I really enjoy WikiTravel, I feel like I am doing my part and making the best travel guide for Edmonton.PERIOD. Keep smiling, ee talk 17:30, 10 November 2008 (EST).
Don't worry about the pictures. Use your best judgment. You know Edmonton better than anyone here, so you know best how to represent it in photos. LtPowers 20:09, 10 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks, and yeah I do. Anyways I was referring more to the pixels and does it look blurry, stuff like that not does it represent well, etc. Keep smiling, ee talk 20:12, 10 November 2008 (EST).
And in the light of the above comments, and due to the fact that the pubt is getting totally out of control (way way way to many topics). May I suggest you sweep up the pub for questions specific to you or any of the Edmonton acticles, and move them to the relevant talk pages? And then i'll have a look at the rest of the entries tomorrow when i get home from work, so we can get the place cleaned up. Sertmann 20:21, 10 November 2008 (EST)
All the ones that don't belong move them to their respective places, yes. Keep smiling, ee talk 20:23, 10 November 2008 (EST).
Cheers Sertmann 20:28, 10 November 2008 (EST)


I've updated the Oliver map. :) As for the Vancouver map, I'm going to have to pass. Now that the weekend is over, I'm back into my busy routine again. But if you want it done soon, may I suggest you look into learning how to draw a map? Once you've practiced a bit, you'll be able to update maps like nothing. PerryPlanet 21:27, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Alright, no problem. But you said you'd do another map for me-like of the entire Central District, I will get those details to you as soon as I can, but I don't expect you to do it - as you said you have a busy work and probably the time you have left over you'd rather be doin' something else like doing something else on the internet, going to a restaurant, watching tv, hangin out with friends. I understand. Anyways, I thought you'd be interested in the Vancouver one-but that is fine! Just thought I'd ask. Anyways, thanks for tthe update on the Oliver map. Thanks! KEep smiling, ee talk 21:36, 10 November 2008 (EST).
Technically, I said "I'll be willing to do a couple more maps." Which I've done. ;) But catch me next weekend, when my homework and class load won't be so much, and I might be able to churn out one more for you. Or better yet, you can learn how to draw a map yourself - it's actually easier than you might think. PerryPlanet 22:03, 10 November 2008 (EST)
Well there's lots of maps I'd need for Edmonton, after a while I'lla probably be sick of asking and try it myself. But if you don't want to do that one, 'tis fine. Remember if you feel like doing any more maps-I can figure one out fer-yeh! Keep smiling, ee talk 22:34, 10 November 2008 (EST).

How's It going?

I just read up on some of the travellers pub comments for you to slow down on your editing and it does seem frustrating sometimes but what i have learned from wikis is that take your time and things will work out okay people are their and they will help you. Didn't want you to feel left out EE Cheers! --Hayfield 22:16, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Yeah, how are things going? Are you managing to negotiate your way through the system? As the guys said, it is good to read as much of the guidelines as possible and then just plunge ahead. People will point out any errors. Anyway, it seems like you doing a great job on Edmonton. Keep at it. WindHorse 23:02, 11 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks you guys. Really kind words. Keep smiling, ee talk 00:13, 12 November 2008 (EST).
Hey WH, I am starting to understand how things run around here . I am more used to the fact people won't help you rightaway. keep smiling,ee talk 14:33, 12 November 2008 (EST).

User talk:

Please just ignore editors like User talk: See Wikitravel:How to handle unwanted edits. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:39, 12 November 2008 (EST)

inapropriate words toward ip address

hey EE not trying to stir anything up but yes that vandal was bad looks like mods have taken care of it though lets hope he/she doesnt come back i know you are frustrated but it's not nice to retaliate at the person it just makes things worse next time just """"ignore"""" them... thanks --Hayfield 18:40, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I see Ryan talked to you okay just checking... :) --Hayfield 18:42, 12 November 2008 (EST) oh and keep up the good work...
Oh God I feel like an idiot. Keep smiling, ee talk 18:43, 12 November 2008 (EST).

I see you've already been talked to about this, but you responded to another vandal today. Please don't do this, it's counterproductive. Simply undo whatever the vandal did and move on. Moreover, messages left for anonymous users will often be received by more than just the user you intend them for--if it is a public terminal, or a dynamic ip. --Peter Talk 00:32, 19 November 2008 (EST)

This is getting a little out of hand-and I am getting somewhat paranoid-why did you delete my comment to that anonymous user? I was kind and everything-I just told him to stop with his nonsense. I really am beginning to think we're much to lenient here. People don't see concequences so they'll do whatever and get other people mad, but of course they can't do anything because that of all things is the bad thing to do in the situation. Not the spammer or the person giving naughty edits, etc. no it's the guy who wants to ban him or her so that maybe we can have some grace who would get in trouble ( I know they wouldn't get in trouble, but still it's frowned upon and would get reverted ). hmmm...this is different than i originally said. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 00:33, 19 November 2008 (EST).

Re: AnonUser

You were already pointed to our policy on what to do with problem users. (And it was by following that link myself that I realized my mistake.) The community has decided to only use the block tool for two purposes: to stop persistent vandalism only long enough to clean it up (less than 24 hours), or to permanently block an inappropriate user name. Neither situation applied here. We don't use blocking for punishment. LtPowers 21:39, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Of course, if you really think that user should be blocked, you can go here, but I wouldn't bother unless he comes back. LtPowers 21:42, 12 November 2008 (EST)
So he gets no punishment for doing what he did? That's basically says "Yeah, it's ok to blow up a building." C'mon...conciquences! Keep smiling, ee talk 21:51, 12 November 2008 (EST).
Its not about punishment but about cooling a situation, and blocking a contributor has generally been found to exacerbate rather than resolve a problem. It is like dealing with muddy water. Sometimes the best way to clear the dirt is just to leave it settle. However, as the guidelines state, there is provision for permanently blocking a persistent vandal. Hope that helps clarify the policy. WindHorse 22:24, 12 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks I've read some other peoples comments and I get it. Keep smiling, ee talk 22:26, 12 November 2008 (EST).


I've never actually been to Edmonton, so any assistance I can offer is only really picking up typos. I've been around Canada a bit, and visited the usual Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Victoria (British Columbia), and I lived in Ottawa for a while (brrr), but I guess like many people I have never been to Edmonton, I guess I always sort of knew it was there, but I'm still not sure I could pin it on a map. This has obviously a large oversight, now that I know what I have missed :-) I hope your can get your city to one day be a star. --Inas 01:04, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Thank you very much Inas! You are so kind! Next time you hit up Canada, definitely come to Edmonton. Though it has a bad rep, it can be quite fun! Just don't got to that bloodyyy mal :<! HahA! But seriously, it's quite the interesting city. You'd fall in love with it in summer...with all the festivals! Would you be interested in E-town? Of course, it doesn't have te mass of Toronto or NY...but it is definitely interesting! Keep smiling, ee talk 10:26, 14 November 2008 (EST).

Give the pub a break

Hola! Just a note to say, and I mean this kindly, try to give the pub a break. I know you have lots of questions, but sooo many things have been discussed to death on this site already, so if you look around a little and get to know the policy pages a bit better you'll find it's actually pretty easy to find previous discussions on various topics on the respective talk pages. That way the pub stays tidey and focused, and you don't tire people out with excessive questions. Also, keep in mind that somebody at some point has to go through the pub and archive all of the conversations and move them to the relevant policy talk pages anyway, so the more you write in there, the more work you're creating for someone else down the line. Gracias! – cacahuate talk 04:15, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Hey I hope you know I mean well and I am really trying not to do it in overload. Keep smiling, ee talk 12:19, 15 November 2008 (EST).
Of course I do, all I'm asking is that you pause for a second and think your question through properly before you pose it, and have a look around for existing opinions on the subject, since they most likely exist already – cacahuate talk 13:46, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Edmonton for Wikitravel Press?

Would you be interested in doing an Edmonton book for Wikitravel Press? Take a look around Wikitravel Press and drop me a line at jani at wikitravelpress dot com, please. Jpatokal 05:00, 15 November 2008 (EST)

I would be extrememly flattered-but I'll have to look through somethings. I'll give you a message when I make my decision;)! Keep smiling, ee talk 12:20, 15 November 2008 (EST).

Okay, I looked through it and I am sure that it is all answered in there. But I have some questions about press. First of all, I am extremely, but does Edmonton really match up with Chicago, Singapore, Paris, and Cairo? Am I really that good? Also is it really hard to make them-doesn't seem like it. It seems I'll need to install a program, no? Is it a good program ( I am really picky what I sign up for ) and do I need it? Would I get a free copy, being the creator or something, that'd be awesome! DO I NEED to use my real name as the author...because I'm not comfortable with that, I prefer Edmontonenthusiast or something especially when this can be seen by more people (i.e.: one person gets it, then people look at it from that person, and it spreads!). It looks like it would look quite similar to the guide, no? It seems like a pretty easy task...although not everyone can do it, because not every guide is up for that. Anyways, so the maps that've been created will go in the book, that'd be awesome (they're not mine!). Is it hard work? Will I need to get an account on press, or could you just put up the info or something...I'm not really comfortable with creating lots of accounts...sorry, I am like that. I don't need to ship anything, correct?, that's just you guys. I know I have a lot of questions but I don't want to miss anything. So I'd get paid for making a book...a teenager getting paid for making an online book...that's neat! Since you asked me and I gave you this, do i have to e-mail you, I am sorry, I'ts not really you, I am just not comfortable e-mailing people/things I don't know! Sorry for it all! How long did it take say Helsinki to make or something? Keep smiling, ee talk 12:41, 15 November 2008 (EST).

Sorry, forgot the most important link, so please read through and try again if you have any questions left over. Yucca is online, so you don't need to install anything. Once the WT articles are in good shape (and Edmonton is), it's not particularly hard work to add the final touches for book generation.
I'll need at least an e-mail address for you, so I can mail you your Yucca password, sign you up to the editors mailing list and send royalties via PayPal, but you're welcome to use a pseudonym in the book. Editing a book would look pretty good on your resume though... Jpatokal 22:57, 15 November 2008 (EST)
Hey thanks, and I saw that page but I still had the questions I asked. Well I basically only need to give you a e-mail address? That's it? Well so long as it isn't released anywhere, I'll probably say yes. I still want to think this over, and an answer to my other statements. I also want and to sell the book upon it's release. Is that ok? I am glad you think the Edmonton article is up for it. Will you be able to help lots, it'd be a load off. I also would request some other articles that could make it. Again, how long would it take to get done? Keep smiling, ee talk 23:28, 15 November 2008 (EST).
Wait...I'd need to give out my address....oooh I am not too comfortable with that, oy I feel bad that I'm picky like this. Keep smiling, ee talk 00:30, 16 November 2008 (EST).
There's nothing stopping you from creating a throwaway GMail account or something if you're that worried...
The book will go on, but is unfortunately not technically possible now, since CreateSpace doesn't support it. If this changes someday, we'll be all over it, but it's not in our control.
I'll help with any technical issues you have, but the book itself is your responsibility, that's what you'd be paid for. And no, I'm not going to publish Edmonton unless you sign up, I have way too much on my plate already. Jpatokal 04:27, 16 November 2008 (EST)
And oh — please stop pestering people to help you with the book project. I'm only going to hire editors who actually live in the city, and right now you're the only (super)active Edmontonian. Jpatokal 05:58, 16 November 2008 (EST)
So, unless they've created maps, I can't get anyone who doesn't live in the city to help in any way, except that, correct? And you still haven't answered about the address. The thing that sucks is about is that you end up paying between 30-40 dollars Canadian instead of 20 dollars for this Chicago one because of shipping, duties, and taxes. So basically I'd be the only one that'd be doing this. I don't have so much a problem about the e-mail as the address. Anyways, I was just putting the idea out there that you could, you seem a little ticked about it. Is there any other books in the works aswell, that'd be meat to know. Also, I am wondering if it's really worth it, how good are the sales? Keep smiling, ee talk 12:43, 16 November 2008 (EST).
You can try to get anybody you like to help, people just usually feel uncomfortable editing places they don't know at all, and I won't pay royalties to them. If you want to receive free copies of the book, you obviously need to give me an address when I can mail them. Sales are a question mark, because apparently nobody has ever published a book-length Edmonton guide before: this either means that we've found a nice market gap, or that there is no market. And no, I'm not ticked off, I'm just not in the habit of blowing sunshine up people's asses =) Jpatokal 23:19, 16 November 2008 (EST)
Haha, well there is numerous Edmonton travel guides. Doncha know that? Definitely more than AustralianOutback or something. Just Wikitravel hasn't made one. Keep smiling, ee talk 23:29, 16 November 2008 (EST).


Hey EE, thanks for the star and admin nomination. We'll see how it goes. And that's good catch on the link on my user page, it's probably been like that since I set it up. Oops.

Re Edmonton for WT Press, sounds like a cool project. I'd be happy to help out with the editing, layout work, and similar stuff (if it's possible to share). You'll have to take the lead though, especially on content and updates, since you're way more familiar with the city than I am. I think Peter took on the editor's role for Chicago -- he'd be a good person to talk to, to see how much time and effort is involved. Shaund 13:28, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Hey thanks. Yeah it goes by yuou have 1 main editor than as many other's for small purposes I believe. And you're welcome for everything! Keep smiling, ee talk 13:32, 15 November 2008 (EST).


I'm afraid I'm a little too busy to help you out with the Edmonton travel book. In fact, I'm supposed to be working on a book already which I've put off due to my busy schedule. So sorry, but no. Good luck to you though! PerryPlanet Talk 16:21, 15 November 2008 (EST)

That's fine, thought I'd ask. But would you be able to just do the maps resizing ,etc. for the book? It's just a small one. Which one are you supposed to be working? Best of luck. Keep smiling, ee talk 16:38, 15 November 2008 (EST).


Howdy, over the years this has become a pet peeve of mine, but Wikitravel actually utilizes a lowercase t rather than a capital T. Thus, WikiTravel is wrong. I know, it's a pretty mundane point, but I figured I'd let you know. Cheers. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 17:15, 16 November 2008 (EST)

Yeah I know. thanks though. I haven't been spelling it like that for a bit now. Keep smiling, ee talk 17:22, 16 November 2008 (EST).
Any chance you might drop the caps all together? except of course when grammar calls for it :o) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 23:29, 16 November 2008 (EST)
Huh? Keep smiling, ee talk 23:30, 16 November 2008 (EST).



This barnstar is to show you appreciation for your great work on the Edmonton article and for your continued curiosity and desire to improve Wikitravel. Thanks! Gracias! -- AHeneen 22:31, 16 November 2008 (EST)

Oh this is so flattering :)! Thanks so much, and I will continue to be a great worker! Thankyou, haha, love how the Spanish thing is catching on!!!!! Keep smiling, ee talk 23:27, 16 November 2008 (EST).


Hey there, do you think you could slow down with the CotM nominations? If we all nominated 5 within a month we'd suddenly have years' worth of suggestions to slough through. Please think and choose carefully before nominating, and have patience. Texugo 19:46, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Don't worry. I mean well, I won't do any more for a while ;). Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:50, 17 November 2008 (EST).
Yes, I'd really appreciate it if you would hold off on this, since we are still trying to come up with a new process for CotMs—we will likely scrap the order of things anyway. --Peter Talk 20:41, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Yeah, I know. That thing COULD get complicated. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:46, 17 November 2008 (EST).

Architecture in Vancouver

Hey EE, just thought I'd give you a quick explanation for why I deleted the architecture section you added to the Vancouver page today.

  1. Stuff like that shouldn't be in the Understand section, See is probably best.
  2. I don't think listing the various styles bullet point is very useful to a visitor. If we do discuss the architecture, I think it should be no more than a paragraph or two that highlights the most interesting buildings and whichever style they may be. Maybe it's me, but I can't imagine wanting to travel to another city to see brutalist office towers! :-) (it should probably be done in Vancouver/City Center rather than the main Vancouver article, as well) Shaund 02:06, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Sorry sorry shaund, i was gonna add info but i didnt wanna right away. next time i'll get the info first!!!! Also, you cant see going to a city to see brutalism because A) you dont like it or B) not much interest in architecturte. have a nice day! keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 10:36, 18 November 2008 (EST).

Edmonton Buy links

The links I removed are basically external shopping guides, which is in clear violation of our external links policy. Texugo 23:51, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Thanks. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 23:53, 18 November 2008 (EST).


Whoa. I was not "directing the thought that (you) are doing too many nominations to a specific area". I was simply trying to explain why I thought we should put in SF for May instead of April. I do not mind that you nominated several Canadian destinations, I was simply saying that we try not to schedule them one right after the other. PerryPlanet Talk 16:17, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Okay, I'm sorry I took it the wrong way. Also I've nominated 3 Canadian destinations (1 is OtbP) and 2 American (1 is OtbP). Sorry, really. Have a good day! Hope you're doing well!!! Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:20, 19 November 2008 (EST).


first of all, let me thank you for the kind message on my talk page. I came to wikitavel because you can't really express your knowledge about a place without being called biased or a vandal, I also came here because ive been to 68 countries and can speak 20 languages fluently so i figured i have some knowledge that I could shre. My question is this: Is there anything like admins on wikitravel if so, how do you become one? Please message me back on my talk page. Thank you!

thanks for the adviceRaja1020 17:55, 19 November 2008 (EST)

No problem, but don't create new messages each time you need to talk-talk in the ones you've already created. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:56, 19 November 2008 (EST).

Hey,ee. First off,my places do not use the left and for eating, examples are: all of the Midlle eatsteren countries, India, and all other muslim ,hindu, and alot of bhuddist countries. If you come to these countries.Raja1020 11:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)

If I come to these countries............................? ZOMG meteor on the prairies yesterday!!edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 11:41, 21 November 2008 (EST).

Sorry, if you come to these countries they wont HATE you if you slip up, they will proobably laugh and remind you.Plus, I'M left handed.Raja1020 11:45, 21 November 2008 (EST)

And whats this about its stupid and a flaw of the culture? Wow, thats really going to upset some people,including me.m You really need to be more open-minded. REALLY.Raja1020 12:02, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Do you live in the Arabs? How does that work-left handed? ZOMG meteor on the prairies yesterday!!edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:04, 21 November 2008 (EST).
Aye, I think both sides need to be more open midned. Sorry if it upset you and I don't reemmber saying it's a flaw of your culture - I just find it not very open minded. Sorry if that upset you. Also, you have to double space between posts otherwise it comes up with the last post. ZOMG meteor on the prairies yesterday!!edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:08, 21 November 2008 (EST).

wHAT THE HECK?!?! I just told you that alot of other cultures have the same belief!!! I'm sorry but some of your comments on the pakistan ettiquette talk page are a little insulting. And what the heck is:ZOMG meteor on the prairies yesterday!,mean? What does that have to do with this disscusion?

My God. You dont make any sense. I didn't say cultures don't have the same belief-I know they do. How the hell am I being insulting-this is getting a little out of hand. I'd like to know. Also, if you noticed I always have "Keep Smiling" before I sign my name, well last night a meteor crashed in Canada, so, for today, I changed it. I don't think that I should have to explain that. Lighten up, Im not that bad a person. ZOMG meteor on the prairies yesterday!!edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:31, 21 November 2008 (EST).

How am I insulting you?? And, yes, you did say that! this is from the talk page:"Well it's offending because it is discriminating to one of my qualities. It is stupid and a dumb flaw of the culture." thats from your mouth.Raja1020 13:45, 21 November 2008 (EST)

actually i used to live in Pakistan but now I live in sasatchewan.Raja1020 13:58, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Now that we got your comments in the right spot. This whole "insulting" thing was brought up in the article talk, if you don't remember, maybe a second glance? Yes, I did say that comment that you have so gratuitously quoted, but we are talking about Pakistan, no? Well, that's what I am talking about. I am not going to go in every topic when we're talkin about a specific thing and say "Oh by the way it's also there or it's also this" unless there is a particular reason, which, of course, there isn't. By the way, I can tell you live in Saskatchewan by your spelling, nice ;) (it's a joke-lighten up). ZOMG meteor on the prairies yesterday!!edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 15:48, 21 November 2008 (EST).

Thanks from Tapirlodge

Thanks ^^ I will keep fighting publicity--Tapirlodge 12:40, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Hehe, NP. ZOMG meteor on the prairies yesterday!!edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:46, 21 November 2008 (EST).

help with canada

hey ee. As I said I live in sasatchewan. Do I need to to learn french if I needed to go to Quebec? I just moved to the country with my familiy and i'm loving it!!! I just want to know if I need to learn french.Raja1020 16:17, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Hey Raja1020, How are you? To get off topic for a sec, sorry if I offended you or your culture by my comments-it got a little carried away. I just found it odd-but I guess that's what happens when your in a pampered modern society. Anyways, your question. I am glad you love Canada, what's your favourite part, where have you been, where do you wanna go? Well, French is Canada's second language and would kind of take the part of English as a nation's second language in much of Europe and Asia. It isn't necessary to learn it, but there are cultural impacts because of it and there are large groups who speak it. Now, that's other countries, Canada's is a little more unique, otherwise we'd have Spanish, Mandarin and Jew languages as other languges. Quebec is a very odd situation, the entire province is backwards to Canada, in that, they have French as the 1st language, and English as secondary. So, as I've heard people say, it is not necessary to know French when going to say Montréal but you will be able to communicate much better. In Quebec City, you'd definitely need French. All in all, it isn't necessary, but it will go a long way. Also, I don't get why you keep spelling SasKatchewan wrong. ZOMG meteor on the prairies yesterday!!edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:25, 21 November 2008 (EST).

I currently live in regina,but in two months i'll be living in my permanent home in Ottowa. Just a quick question,it may seem stupid,sorry, but does the queen have any power? message me.



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