Hi Binbin, thanks for your message. I'll definitely keep adding to the wiki as my travels progress. If you want to see where my wife and I have been, you can check out our blog: http://trippinforayear.blogspot.com :-) - [[User:OoDoh6ei|OoDoh6ei]] ([[User talk:OoDoh6ei|talk]]) 02:08, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
Hi Binbin, thanks for your message. I'll definitely keep adding to the wiki as my travels progress. If you want to see where my wife and I have been, you can check out our blog http://trippinforayear.blogspot.com :-) - [[User:OoDoh6ei|OoDoh6ei]] ([[User talk:OoDoh6ei|talk]]) 02:08, 5
I take it this edit results from direct observation rather than hearsay?
Congratulations on your lightning promotion to admin status - would you mind if I copyedited your rather controversial Malaysia contribution? --118dot93dot73dot30 19:42, 28 April 2013 (EDT)
I suppose Binbin just restored the content deleted by 220.127.116.11 and brought it back to your revision from 18 Apr 2013 . It means that his contribution wasn't controversial as he did not put any original content. 18.104.22.168 should be asked for the reason why he deleted the content as this could help us understand why it was deleted. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 20:17, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
However, all my edit that you referenced did was what it said on the tin: copyedit (I used the abbreviation "ce." in my edit summary). When I copyedit I do not necessarily make a judgement call on the material I am copyediting.
By restoring what another (IP) editor made the decision to delete, I would have thought that Binbin was implying agreement with the (restored) rather controversial material (otherwise why restore it?) - hence my (unanswered) 2 questions to Binbin above. --118dot93dot73dot30 04:39, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
test. --Binbin (talk) 22:32, 12 January 2014 (EST)
Hi Quirite, thank you so much for leaving a warm message here on my talk page. I really appreciate this as well as your genuine and valuable contributions to Rome out of your pride to your hometown as well as your earnest willing of helping others. I hope we can stick together and make the information about (at least) our hometowns just a bit more accurate. If you need any help at all in your edit, please feel free to let me know. I will be more than happy to help you out. Warm regards. --Binbin (talk) 22:46, 9 March 2014 (EDT)
Miami- South Beach
Hello Binbin, I noted your edits to the tours of South Beach; however, if you believe an independent traveler could provide the same experience for themselves, I'm going to have to assume you've never been to South Beach.
There is no possible way a traveler can independently walk around South Beach and fulfill the substance of either tour on their own. There are no guide signs, no plaques, or anything else of that nature in the city. It is a disservice to travelers to remove tours that they are unable to replicate on their own.
Assuming they can get the information from the Wikitravel page is incorrect. At this point the history of Miami Beach is so far off that is is embarrassing. For example, there was never any 'unsettled farmland' in Miami Beach. When the Lums (who were a father and son, not brothers) arrived in Miami Beach to farm coconuts (which wasn't until 1882,) the land was a mangrove forest that they had to clear. The Lums never left any land to John Collins, Collins never came to Miami in 1894 (the Lums project was still going on into 1895!) and when he did come it wasn't to expand the land or find fresh water. The Lummus brothers (who are not mentioned by name in the article) bought land from Charles Lum, not John Collins. Carl Fisher never took over the Collins Bridge project from John Collins, he loaned him the money, and in return Collins gave Fisher land in Miami Beach; which is how he (Fisher) got his start there. South Beach is not an incorporated town, Miami Beach is. South Beach was a ghetto in the 80's, as well as into the 90's. The Mariel Boatlift had a huge impact on Miami, including the beach. The designation of the Art Deco historic district, architectural elements, and architects themselves are also nowhere to be found.
It's definitely mind boggling that we need to provide a link to a Kenneth Cole store (I guess visitors can't find that independently?) but assume they can figure out the history and significance of South Beach on their own. --DNevens (talk) 17:32, 13 March 2014 (EDT)
Ttcf- I am new here and trying to get the hang of this. It looks as though Binbin is some sort of an admin which is why I left the message here. Now that I am rereading it I apologize if it sounded a bit harsh. I am currently out of state caring for a sick family member and when I found Wikitravel and saw how big a mess the South Beach page was, I thought it was a perfect opportunity to help people while also getting my mind off current issues. I would be happy to develop itineraries and edit the page so it is factual and of assistance to people that want to visit South Beach, but I don't want to waste my time if my contributions, contributions I thought were helpful considering they are official, well respected tours of the area, are going to just be deleted. It makes me nervous going forward that any work put into the page will just be in vain. --DNevens (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2014 (EDT)
Yes, Binbin is one of the hard-working and conscientious IBadmins here at Wikitravel.
I do hope that your loved one makes a speedy and complete recovery.
I do understand that it can be very frustrating having somebody delete your work - that's why I really would encourage you to discuss what you would like to contribute at Talk:Miami_Beach/South_Beach - who knows, we might be able to either agree an exception or that your contributions will actually fall outside our usual tour policy.
I think I've been editing on this site longer than anyone (except possibly User:Nurg) and in the last decade or so (and especially in the last couple of years) I've seen a lot of editors come and go. It certainly seems like you have the essentials of local knowledge and an easy to read prose style, David... --Ttcf (talk) 04:29, 14 March 2014 (EDT)
Hi DNevens, thank you for such a detailed and thorough explanation. You are right, I've never been to South Beach (would love to though). Again, I'm sorry that I deleted part of your contributions. Yes, what you mentioned does make sense, and the listings help the travelers to explore the culture and past of South Beach. Please understand that I didn't delete these listings to discourage you from more contributions, but because of our policy does not generally allow walking tour. Now I'm putting back your listings. I hope you can put a word or two on the Talk:Miami_Beach/South_Beach#Deletion, so that other editors may understand it. I really hope your family member will get well soon. Meanwhile I'd really appreciate it if you can put this unpleasant episode aside and continue to add more valuable information about Miami Beach/South Beach and more. Best wishes, --Binbin (talk) 05:11, 14 March 2014 (EDT)
Hi Binbin and Ttcf, Thank you both for your kind words. Thank you Binbin for reinstating the tour posts. I will definitely put a note on the South Beach page. I apologize again for being rude in my original reply. I will definitely continue adding to the South Beach page, and will also look at the Miami page as I know both areas very well. --DNevens (talk) 13:55, 14 March 2014 (EDT)
DNevens, awesome you joined our traveller's community and that you would like to help us improve our Miami Beach/South Beach. I deleted all the tours, however, because in my opinion they are not in line with our Tour policies. I started a discussion about in in the article talk page. As beautiful as South Beach is, I don't think this article deserves a "special exception" from our well-established guidance. I'd rather see your time and effort devoted to developing all the other section of the article than the tour itself. Warm regards and all the best to your family, IBAlex (talk) 14:02, 14 March 2014 (EDT)
Hi Binbin, thanks for your message. I'll definitely keep adding to the wiki as my travels progress. If you want to see where my wife and I have been, you can check out our blog policies and guidelines :-) - OoDoh6ei (talk) 02:08, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
Thank you OoDoh6ei for your message here. Great places you are travelling to. Enjoying your days and look forward to seeing more of your contributions. Cheers! --Binbin (talk) 04:07, 6 April 2014 (EDT)