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Hello Atsirlin! Welcome to Wikitravel.

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You might also be interested to take a look at the Russian version of Wikitravel. --Peter Talk 13:29, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Vladimir[edit]

Just wanted to say that you're doing really fantastic work on Vladimir—thanks! --Peter Talk 20:35, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Well, thanks a lot. Vladimir is one of the places that I really like. So I want to help people (especially foreigners) to learn about it.Atsirlin 02:26, 10 December 2008 (EST)
It's starting to look really really good! Maybe add a few more places to eat and some bars - and then I think it should be nominated for our Monthly Off the Beaten Path feature. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 20:48, 14 December 2008 (EST)
I will certainly add more places for eating, drinking, and sleeping. Yesterday I simply wrote about few places that I knew myself. Still, I doubt if it makes sense to put Vladimir as "Off the Beaten Path". Vladimir is one of the basic Russian destinations following Moscow and St. Petersburg. Atsirlin 02:17, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Just to let you know, I have nominated the article for destination of the month. You've done great work on the article, and it's currently one of the best, if not the best, article we have for any destination in the Russian Federation. Thanks! --Peter Talk 02:32, 24 February 2009 (EST)
Thanks from me too. Just FYI, everybody is welcome to discuss the nominations for Destination of the Month, even if they are major contributors — in fact, it's quite common to propose "your" articles. Jpatokal 06:33, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Cities, towns, etc.[edit]

Regarding this edit, [1] "cities," at least in the American understanding, can be used as a general term to describe any town, village, or what have you (любой населённый пункт). That's the way Wikitravel uses the term as well. So it's ok to put even a small hamlet like Bogolyubovo in that section. "Other destinations" is restricted to only non-city destinations, like parks, or an isolated monastery, etc. --Peter Talk 13:45, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Sorry, I did not know that. Atsirlin 15:27, 25 February 2009 (EST)

photo deleted[edit]

Hi Atsirlin, First, let me add to the compliments about the great work you do for the Vladimir page--it is a very useful and informative page and a great service. I have a question about your approach to editing. Yesterday I added a photo of the Russian Village Hotel, which I took when I stayed there. You removed the photo. In my opinion, having photos of hotels is very useful to tourists unfamiliar to a town. Did you remove it because you do not want to give undue prominence to any one establisment, because there was an issue with the photo itself, or for some other reason? Given the amount of work you have put into this page, I will respect your judgment, but it would help to understand your approach here. Best, omocha.

Actually, I did not find the photo itself: it was not shown in the article. That's the reason for the reverse of your edit. I did not remove the photo (I can't do this, since I am not an administrator). Could you please provide the valid link to the file? Basically, the file should be uploaded to the proper directory on Wikitravel Shared. Atsirlin 17:50, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Yuzhno[edit]

Hey Alexander, thanks a bunch for your updates on Yuzhno Sakhalinsk, it's really awesome to see this guide expanding! --Stefan (sertmann) talk 18:17, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

You are welcome-) I also hope to improve other articles of this region (some day...) BTW, have you ever tried (of thought of) drawing a map? Atsirlin 19:06, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
I can't find any free sources, if you can help me find some I'd be happy to make one --Stefan (sertmann) talk 04:54, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
It is always a tricky thing in Russia... I have two maps which are clearly scans from some paper source. Their copyright status is, of course, unclear (needless to say, you can easily download them without any notice of the copyright). Since the city layout is rather simple, I thought of taking these maps as a rough basis (without re-drawing them) and satellite photo as an additional reference. I believe that it still counts as "own work" from the copyright point of view. Otherwise, we have no chance to create maps for most of Russian cities. What do you think about it? And how did you manage the maps of Korsakov and Khabarovsk? Atsirlin 06:41, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

Russian roads[edit]

Do you know of a good online source for clearer Russian road maps? I've been trying to find ones that would plainly demarcate both A## and P## type roads, but at best I can only find maps that show M## and A## type roads clearly. --Peter Talk 10:59, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

Unfortunately, there is nothing because of the very messy road system. First, the M/A/P classification is now obsolete. Oddly enough, new roads do not get any numbers. They are referred using the starting and ending points (cities, villages, or even crossings with other roads); very inconvenient. Second, some of the roads are so bad that they are simply impassable for a regular car, even though the maps will show them as normal "paved roads". This may also happen to the old numbered roads (not often, though).
I know it's a hassle, but I would check every road for its old number at [2] and for its present status at [3] (or simply using Russian Google). The latter website also has a decent list of relevant roads for each region. Comparing this list to the map, you can understand which roads should be shown. That's my way of doing it for Vladimir Oblast and Tula Oblast (and, of course, a lot of personal driving experience). Atsirlin 12:52, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
Oh boy, that is a muddle! The mccme.ru site is really great, though. When you say the M/A/P classification is obsolete, do you mean that we should no longer use those designations here? Or are they keeping the numbers for the roads that already have them? --Peter Talk 22:40, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
No, I would use the numbers as the only meaningful (albeit incomplete) classification. Most numbered roads still have this indication on the road signs. Therefore, it's helpful to show the numbers on the map. Atsirlin 04:16, 14 July 2011 (EDT)
(Oh and by the way, I'd disagree with your comment that it's usually the case that the English versions of Russian articles are more complete than the Russian ones. It seems to me that this may be true for the best English language versions, but there are loads of articles now that only exist in Russian. And in the case of Staraya Russa example, that article wouldn't have even been possible if I hadn't translated half of it from the Russian version!) --Peter Talk 11:04, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
That's true. The problem is that the number of complete (guide status) articles is roughly the same for both language versions, despite the Russian one has a lot more outlines with bare listings and scarce descriptions. Atsirlin 12:52, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
One thing that interests me is that, on the Russian version, there are very few listing descriptions—on the English version, that's usually the first thing people like to write about! --Peter Talk 19:28, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

Notice from IBlegal[edit]

Please be advised your recent actions communicating directly with members of Wikitravel could put you in violation of numerous federal and state laws. We strongly urge you to cease and desist all action detrimental to Wikitravel.org. If you persist in this course of conduct, you will potentially be a named defendant, and therefore liable for any and all resulting damages.--IBlegal 14:51, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

Don't worry, IBobi! You are now alone in your sandbox, and the toys are still around. But don't forget to wipe your nose, or Mom will be angry and won't buy you an ice-cream. -- Atsirlin 16:49, 21 August 2012 (EDT)
I have tried to start a discussion of this message at User talk:IBlegal. Pashley 00:36, 22 August 2012 (EDT)
Thank you, Pashley. I will follow this discussion from outside, though. The matter looks too childish to me. Moreover, we will have plenty of things to do as soon as WV is set up and running. Atsirlin 01:55, 22 August 2012 (EDT)

Thanks![edit]

Thanks for the info and help you provided to me. TomNativenewYorker 10:06, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

You are most welcome! Atsirlin 10:09, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

FYI[edit]

You realize that since the IP and user account have been blocked on WV, protecting my own user page -- the only remaining place that could be edited -- means that there is now no way to communicate there at all. Which means any actions you & the other WV admins take or do not take, now that you have been apprised of Jani's behavior, are your responsibility -- as are any other actions Jani takes here or there, or anywhere else. I've done what I could. It's on you now.--IBobi 14:43, 3 December 2012 (EST)

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