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Regarding [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Uluru-Kata_Tjuta_National_Park&curid=2208&diff=1667904&oldid=1667703 this edit], I've heard of Ayers Rock but didn't know it has a new name, so I would think "also" is correct in this instance. Is it politically incorrect to use the English name, or is there some other reason not to state it as an alternative?  This sounds like an issue that is similar to the naming of "Denali" / "Mt. McKinley", but I (obviously) know next to nothing about Australia. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] • ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) • 13:56, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
 
Regarding [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Uluru-Kata_Tjuta_National_Park&curid=2208&diff=1667904&oldid=1667703 this edit], I've heard of Ayers Rock but didn't know it has a new name, so I would think "also" is correct in this instance. Is it politically incorrect to use the English name, or is there some other reason not to state it as an alternative?  This sounds like an issue that is similar to the naming of "Denali" / "Mt. McKinley", but I (obviously) know next to nothing about Australia. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] • ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) • 13:56, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
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: When the surveyor William Gosse first visited the rock in 1873 he named it after Sir Henry Ayers, then the chief secretary of nearby South Australia. Uluru is a local indigenous name. In 1873, Ayers Rock and Mount Olga were named by the SA Government (South Australian Parliamentary Paper 48 of 1873). Since 1894, both Uluru and Kata Tjuta in varying forms have been recorded, though not as widely as their English equivalents, by the SA Government. On 15 December 1993 this large rock was the first officially dual named feature in the Northern Territory - '''Ayers Rock / Uluru'''. The South Australian Government originally had jurisdiction over the Northern Territory, it was later transferred to the control of the Australian Federal government. Currently the Northern Territory is a federal territory of Australia. Uluru / Ayers Rock is in the Northern Territory.
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: NT Place Names Register-Place Names Register Extract  from http://www.ntlis.nt.gov.au/placenames/view.jsp?id=10532
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:* '''Uluru / Ayers Rock'''
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: (''copy and pasted from NT gov web page'')
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:*Name Uluru / Ayers Rock
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:*Type Designation Mountain
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:*Place Id 10532
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:*Place Type Feature
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:*Status Registered
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:*Date Registered 6 November 2002
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:*Location (Datum GDA94)
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:*Latitude: -25° 20' S (Decimal degrees -25.3415)
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:*Longitude: 131° 02' E (Decimal degrees 131.0354)
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:Place Naming Committee for the Northern Territory (Northern Territory Government)
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:from http://www.nt.gov.au/lands/lis/placenames/policy/dual.shtml
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:Dual Naming of Features
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:Policies | Rules | Guidelines | Generic Terms | Dual Naming
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:(''copy and pasted from NT gov web page'')
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:In the Northern Territory, dual naming is where a physical feature has been officially given a name which includes both the traditional Aboriginal name and the introduced European (or English) name recorded by an explorer.
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:The name can be in either order and is separated by a solidus (/) and is registered as one name. The order the name appears will be determined by the Place Names Committee after consulation with all interested parties.
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:The name as approved and registered should be shown on and in official documents and publication, however in unofficial documents and publications either name can be used.
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:Over time the order the dual names appear may be changed.
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:Information on "dual naming" of places in Australia can be found on the publications page of the Committee for Geographical Names in Australasia website.
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:'''Example - Uluru / Ayers Rock'''
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:In 1873, Ayers Rock and Mount Olga were named by the SA Government (recorded in South Australian Parliamentary Paper 48 of 1873).
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:Since 1894, both Uluru and Kata Tjuta in varying forms have been recorded, though not as widely as their English equivalents, named by the SA Government.
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:On 15 December 1993 this feature was the first officially dual named feature in the Northern Territory - Ayers Rock / Uluru.
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:Following a request from the Regional Tourism Association in Alice Springs, on 6 November 2002 the order of the dual names was officially changed to Uluru / Ayers Rock. Further information on Uluru / Ayers Rock can be found in the Register.
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:The edit: ''It is best known for '''Uluru''' (also known as "Ayers Rock"), a single massive rock formation, and also for '''Kata Tjuta''' (also known as "The Olgas"), a range of rock domes''....appears to be correct if we refer to the NT gov and the Committee for Geographical Names in Australasia as suitable sources. -- Hope this assists. -- [[User:Felix505|felix]] 15:52, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 19:56, 26 April 2011

WOW! So glad to get this started. --Evan 11:32, 21 Jan 2004 (EST)

The website writes several words with underlined letters: Uluru, Kata Tjuta, Anangu. What does this mean? -phma 22:11, 29 Mar 2004 (EST)

I remember reading about it somewhere, but I forgot where exactly. If I remember well, these sounds are made with the tongue curled upwards and with the tip of the tongue touching the top of the palate instead of the front or the teeth. Dhum Dhum Akubra 11:21, 30 Mar 2004 (EST)

Yulara (Ayers Rock Resort)[edit]

The Pioneer Backpackers Lodge[edit]

An excellent place to stay - cabin accomodation all newly decorated, clean, nice linen, and they had thought of every last detail. Cost $41pppn and was worth every cent! Staff were friendly and helpful. Within the lodge part of the resort there was: A pool, a pool table, gift shop, a bar $12 per jug of VB), bottle shop open until 9pm (unsure of prices), a restaurant, a guest kitchen if you had bought your own food, and a 'cook your own' barbie where you can purchase a variety of meat or fish, cook it yourself, and then help yourself to the all you can eat salads, side dishes and sauces. Cost between $23 and $27 depending on what meat you had - very good value when you see what sides you get with it all - a meal fit for a king! Ayers Rock Resort offers a variety of accomodation from camping through to 5* but the resort is spread out well into the sections of different accomodation. There is a shopping centre approx 5 mins walk from the PBL which has the following: IGA supermarket, Restaurant, Take-away, a couple of gift shops, a newsagents, an ANZ bank and ATM, and a post office. There is a petrol station not far from PBL in the opposite direction. Pretty much everything you could possibly need out there - and all within 10 mins drive of ULURU!

Greyhound Australia[edit]

There is no Greyhound Australia bus service between Alice Springs and the National park anymore. There are a number of different companies that run tours there however. The Rock Tour is one, and Greyhound Australia does resell their tours. Corvo 21:56, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Ayers Rock[edit]

Regarding this edit, I've heard of Ayers Rock but didn't know it has a new name, so I would think "also" is correct in this instance. Is it politically incorrect to use the English name, or is there some other reason not to state it as an alternative? This sounds like an issue that is similar to the naming of "Denali" / "Mt. McKinley", but I (obviously) know next to nothing about Australia. -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:56, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

When the surveyor William Gosse first visited the rock in 1873 he named it after Sir Henry Ayers, then the chief secretary of nearby South Australia. Uluru is a local indigenous name. In 1873, Ayers Rock and Mount Olga were named by the SA Government (South Australian Parliamentary Paper 48 of 1873). Since 1894, both Uluru and Kata Tjuta in varying forms have been recorded, though not as widely as their English equivalents, by the SA Government. On 15 December 1993 this large rock was the first officially dual named feature in the Northern Territory - Ayers Rock / Uluru. The South Australian Government originally had jurisdiction over the Northern Territory, it was later transferred to the control of the Australian Federal government. Currently the Northern Territory is a federal territory of Australia. Uluru / Ayers Rock is in the Northern Territory.


NT Place Names Register-Place Names Register Extract from http://www.ntlis.nt.gov.au/placenames/view.jsp?id=10532
  • Uluru / Ayers Rock
(copy and pasted from NT gov web page)
  • Name Uluru / Ayers Rock
  • Type Designation Mountain
  • Place Id 10532
  • Place Type Feature
  • Status Registered
  • Date Registered 6 November 2002
  • Location (Datum GDA94)
  • Latitude: -25° 20' S (Decimal degrees -25.3415)
  • Longitude: 131° 02' E (Decimal degrees 131.0354)

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Place Naming Committee for the Northern Territory (Northern Territory Government)
from http://www.nt.gov.au/lands/lis/placenames/policy/dual.shtml
Dual Naming of Features
Policies | Rules | Guidelines | Generic Terms | Dual Naming
(copy and pasted from NT gov web page)
In the Northern Territory, dual naming is where a physical feature has been officially given a name which includes both the traditional Aboriginal name and the introduced European (or English) name recorded by an explorer.
The name can be in either order and is separated by a solidus (/) and is registered as one name. The order the name appears will be determined by the Place Names Committee after consulation with all interested parties.
The name as approved and registered should be shown on and in official documents and publication, however in unofficial documents and publications either name can be used.
Over time the order the dual names appear may be changed.
Information on "dual naming" of places in Australia can be found on the publications page of the Committee for Geographical Names in Australasia website.
Example - Uluru / Ayers Rock
In 1873, Ayers Rock and Mount Olga were named by the SA Government (recorded in South Australian Parliamentary Paper 48 of 1873).
Since 1894, both Uluru and Kata Tjuta in varying forms have been recorded, though not as widely as their English equivalents, named by the SA Government.
On 15 December 1993 this feature was the first officially dual named feature in the Northern Territory - Ayers Rock / Uluru.
Following a request from the Regional Tourism Association in Alice Springs, on 6 November 2002 the order of the dual names was officially changed to Uluru / Ayers Rock. Further information on Uluru / Ayers Rock can be found in the Register.
The edit: It is best known for Uluru (also known as "Ayers Rock"), a single massive rock formation, and also for Kata Tjuta (also known as "The Olgas"), a range of rock domes....appears to be correct if we refer to the NT gov and the Committee for Geographical Names in Australasia as suitable sources. -- Hope this assists. -- felix 15:52, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

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