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Can we please reach a consensus on the regional and city names? Even the CIA and other authorities appear confused on this subject and at odds with the Google popularity contest. I feel I need to make some arbitrary decisions and would prefer not to do so. I would welcome some input from others. -- [[User:Huttite|Huttite]] 19:51, 21 Jan 2005 (EST)
 
Can we please reach a consensus on the regional and city names? Even the CIA and other authorities appear confused on this subject and at odds with the Google popularity contest. I feel I need to make some arbitrary decisions and would prefer not to do so. I would welcome some input from others. -- [[User:Huttite|Huttite]] 19:51, 21 Jan 2005 (EST)
  
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KYIV is the correct spelling
:* [http://www.getty.edu/vow/TGNFullDisplay?find=kiev&place=&nation=&prev_page=1&english=Y&subjectid=7010171 Kiev] is English Preferred (''English-P''), so let's stick to that
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http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/ukraine.pdf
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Check the UN, the U.S Government, Wikipedia and actually check the transliteration of the language itself. 'Kiev' is a Russiafication, and people posting that it should stay as Kiev are pre-Russia and anti-Ukraine.
 
:* [http://www.getty.edu/vow/TGNFullDisplay?find=doneck&place=&nation=&prev_page=1&english=Y&subjectid=7014775 Donetsk] is preferred since 1961 (no English-P). '''Doneck''' is used for region.
 
:* [http://www.getty.edu/vow/TGNFullDisplay?find=doneck&place=&nation=&prev_page=1&english=Y&subjectid=7014775 Donetsk] is preferred since 1961 (no English-P). '''Doneck''' is used for region.
 
:* [http://www.getty.edu/vow/TGNFullDisplay?find=odessa&place=&nation=&prev_page=1&english=Y&subjectid=7011656 Odessa] is preferred (no English-P). They call the city ''Одєсса'' themself.
 
:* [http://www.getty.edu/vow/TGNFullDisplay?find=odessa&place=&nation=&prev_page=1&english=Y&subjectid=7011656 Odessa] is preferred (no English-P). They call the city ''Одєсса'' themself.
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:We use the most common English name for all geographical areas, regardless of the newest official name. See [[Wikitravel:article naming conventions]], [[Wikitravel:Why Wikitravel doesn't use official names]]. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 10:41, 27 November 2006 (EST)
 
:We use the most common English name for all geographical areas, regardless of the newest official name. See [[Wikitravel:article naming conventions]], [[Wikitravel:Why Wikitravel doesn't use official names]]. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 10:41, 27 November 2006 (EST)
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::When the Chinese government announced that their capital was spelled Beijing instead of Peking (which was the "common" spelling for years), everyone listened. When the Ukrainian government makes similar announcements, they should be respected. [[User:Gamweb|gamweb]] 17:50, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
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:::Right, but that was an official name change, Kyiv has always been the Ukrainian pronunciation, but the English spelling of the same name has always been Kiev. Such things take much longer to filter through to common usage than a full name change, I think.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 22:12, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
  
 
===Eat photos===
 
===Eat photos===
 
Anyone else suspicious that the photos in the Eat section are likely copyrighted commercial work? Also I think this article has too many photos in general... [[User:Texugo|Texugo]] 23:04, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
 
Anyone else suspicious that the photos in the Eat section are likely copyrighted commercial work? Also I think this article has too many photos in general... [[User:Texugo|Texugo]] 23:04, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
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:My apologies if I've added too many pictures, I am unaware of the Wikitravel guidelines. I just thought that for a travel guide, images would be more useful than trying to describe the travel destination in words. The article was definitely lacking images earlier. And by the way, the pictures I added are all free licence from the Wikimedia Commons. <span style="font-family: Myriad Pro; font-size: 10pt">[[User:Bogdan ua|Bogdan]] <sup>[[User talk:Bogdan ua|що?]]</sup></span> 12:27, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
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== Warning box? ==
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It was recently suggested to me by medical professionals sent to Ukraine this past week that I and my roommate not travel to Ukraine until after flu season, because of the high number of cases of people contracting pandemic flu (swine flu).  According to this doctor, his Ukrainian counterparts and not prepared enough to handle the high case load and TIME magazine writes that pharmacies are running out of medicine and has reported that the government has shut down many public buildings (including universities and movie theaters).  Does this constitute a warning box? -- [[User:Sapphire|Sapphire]] • <small>([[User_talk:Sapphire|Talk]])</small> • 23:33, 15 November 2009 (EST)
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== Must Ukraine visas be applied for in your home country? ==
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As an Australian citizen I need a visa to visit Ukraine. Can I only apply for it from Australia (as is the case with Russian visas) or can I get one while travelling in nearby countries?
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The article makes it seem like I can get one at any embassy/consulate but doesn't really say so for sure while the website for the Ukraine embassy in Australia makes it seem like I have to apply in Australia without really saying so for sure. &mdash; [[User:Hippietrail|Hippietrail]] 14:05, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
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== Trip to Ukraine ==
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My husband and I are going to the Ukraine in May 2011.  Any suggestions as to what we need to take?  Electric convertor?  We will be going to Kiev, Lviv, Rohatyn.  Are there any sights we shouldn't miss?
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Thanks,
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Mary
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Sorry.  I forgot to sign my name to the last post.[[User:Mimm946|Mimm946]] 11:22, 26 July 2011 (EDT)mimm946

Revision as of 15:26, 26 July 2011

For future reference the Wikitravel:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Ukraine/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.


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Regions and Cities Names - Alternative Spellings

I noticed that one anonymous user made a spelling change to a city name, orphaned Doneck, then someone else put it back, duplicating the city in the list. I fear the next thing to happen is that another person will write a second article about the same place and decide it isn't in the list at all, so add a third spelling alternative. I do not want to be a revisionist historian, going around and changing all the new names back into the old ones (or vice versa), making a complete idiot of myself and offending the culturally (in)sensitive, so some suggestions are needed about what the cities and regions should (and could) be called before things go too far.

I have already identified the following alternative spellings for several of the Ukrainian cities and regions, such as:

  • Kiev can also be spelt either informally as Kyiv or more formally as Kyyiv
  • Doneck is apparently the soviet era name for the city named Donetsk or Donets'k, while the surrounding region is probably called Donets'ka (Oblast).
  • Odessa or Odesa, depending on who you believe. (Personally I think 2 ses is more traditional while 1 s is more recent.)
  • Sevastopol, has also been known historically as Sebastopol from before the Crimean war...

Also most of the regions are named after their main cities. Can we please reach a consensus on the regional and city names? Even the CIA and other authorities appear confused on this subject and at odds with the Google popularity contest. I feel I need to make some arbitrary decisions and would prefer not to do so. I would welcome some input from others. -- Huttite 19:51, 21 Jan 2005 (EST)

KYIV is the correct spelling http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/ukraine.pdf Check the UN, the U.S Government, Wikipedia and actually check the transliteration of the language itself. 'Kiev' is a Russiafication, and people posting that it should stay as Kiev are pre-Russia and anti-Ukraine.

  • Donetsk is preferred since 1961 (no English-P). Doneck is used for region.
  • Odessa is preferred (no English-P). They call the city Одєсса themself.
  • Sevastopol' is preferred (no English-P). Note accent after L.
-- JanSlupski 20:14, 30 Jan 2005 (EST)
Ukranians use Одєса while Russians use Одєсса. (One 's' instead of two) I don't know about the transliteration, but inside Ukraine they're trying to make the Ukranians transliterations count. I think it's clearer for a tourist to stick with the way it's written in Ukranian guides, but this means changing the majority of this site--Twopeak

surprises

"The cheaper the hotel, the larger the chance of some quite unfortunate surprises"

Anyone care to elaborate? 193.120.175.92 19:28, 9 Nov 2005 (EST)

Orange Revolution

Should a more detailed explanation of the Orange Revolution be provided? I was fascinated by the events - I still have International Herald Tribune newspapers detailing the revolution - and I think it would benefit the traveller to somewhat more fully understand the events of the revolution. I've prepared an explanation that can be viewed in my sandbox. Thoughts on that or the wording I've prepared? -- Sapphire 10:57, 8 November 2006 (EST)

BIG Mistake - monkeys

>One of the worst problems is that there have been frequent monkey attacts, and the Ukrainian government are having trouble controlling these rabid beasts.

THATS NOT TRUE, totally! Ukraine nature haven't monkeys, only in zoo!!!

Then remove it. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 18:56, 23 November 2006 (EST)

This contribution is half correct, half shallow disinformation (unintentional, I hope)

As I've lived in Ukraine for many years, I've been surprised by many things by what I've just read about this Quasi-Ukraine.

It seemed that the author(s) visited a country other than Ukraine. I think their Russia’s experience and obvious lack of education badly affected their impressions. And their texts…

Very quickly, just a few insufficiencies to begin with:

Let alone that author’s Very Big Mistake with Ukrainian monkeys (the author seems to drink more vodka/gorilka than aboriginal Ukrainians). By the way, I’ve never heard that black skinned people (some of which have been my friends for years) were called ‘monkeys’ in Ukraine. As to terrorists and attackers, this is clearly a big mistake (and obvious “import” from Russia by the author). Ukrainians have been tolerant and indulgent (probably too tolerant and indulgent).

Yes, Ukrainian girls and women are just prettier than those in most countries. I attribute so called “risk clothes” of Ukrainian women to their natural beauty and traditional Ukrainian taste, good breeding and delicate manners.

We do not rob foreigners. Criminality level is by far lower than that in the US. Ukrainians, even militia, is respectful towards foreigners, which are quite usual throughout Ukraine, especially after traveling to Ukraine became visa free.

University and secondary-school-level education level is still quite high and is NOT “lower every year”, and an ordinary Ukrainian school pupil, in general, knows much more than his/her Western counterpart..

We do not drink gorilka/vodka as much as it is claimed to be.

Neither do we use a lot of fat ingredients in cooking, even though our cuisine is rather delicious (foreigners' opinion). Most Ukrainians do not eat salo as their major food. (We prefer meat, fish with vegetables and potatoes, and diary products).

Our language is easier to learn than it's believed (even easier than Russian, estimation by a US linguist), as pronunciation and spelling are absolutely identical: pronounced is exactly what is written and vise versa (something that native and especially non-native English speakers are terribly envious of)!! Also, both Russian and Ukrainian are highly expressive, rich in meanings and nuances, and in general "created for poetry."

Ukrainians pronounce Одеса, not Одєса (Одєса, Одєсса do not exists). Одесса (with soft д) is the Russian spelling. So no credits earned!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.137.196.5 (talkcontribs) 
Please, plunge forward and edit the page. --Evan 10:39, 27 November 2006 (EST)

Alexander Kupriyanchuk

Kyiv, Odesa, Lviv, Kharkiv, etc. vs Soviet-epoch spelling: Kiev, Odessa, Lvov, Kharkov, etc.

Kiev, Odessa, etc.: it’s better for these names to be replaced with Kyiv, Odesa and so on (having been already replaced on the official maps and in official documents).

After the US State Department legitimized Kyiv, the spelling derived from Ukrainian, in US official documents (so did earlier the European Commission, UN, not to mention dozens of governments in all continents), Kyiv started final ousting Kiev internationally.

The usage of Kiev will be gradually shrunk mainly to pro-Soviet (not pro-Russian) Donetsk & Sevastopol (as even some of Russia’s official documents in Eng start to read Kyiv). So the patriots and law-abiding citizens (obeying US laws if not Ukrainian ones) write Kyiv rather than Kiev.

P.S. Kyiv became a powerful and culturally rich city long before Moscow was even established. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.137.196.5 (talkcontribs)

We use the most common English name for all geographical areas, regardless of the newest official name. See Wikitravel:article naming conventions, Wikitravel:Why Wikitravel doesn't use official names. --Evan 10:41, 27 November 2006 (EST)
When the Chinese government announced that their capital was spelled Beijing instead of Peking (which was the "common" spelling for years), everyone listened. When the Ukrainian government makes similar announcements, they should be respected. gamweb 17:50, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
Right, but that was an official name change, Kyiv has always been the Ukrainian pronunciation, but the English spelling of the same name has always been Kiev. Such things take much longer to filter through to common usage than a full name change, I think. --Peter Talk 22:12, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Eat photos

Anyone else suspicious that the photos in the Eat section are likely copyrighted commercial work? Also I think this article has too many photos in general... Texugo 23:04, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

My apologies if I've added too many pictures, I am unaware of the Wikitravel guidelines. I just thought that for a travel guide, images would be more useful than trying to describe the travel destination in words. The article was definitely lacking images earlier. And by the way, the pictures I added are all free licence from the Wikimedia Commons. Bogdan що? 12:27, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Warning box?

It was recently suggested to me by medical professionals sent to Ukraine this past week that I and my roommate not travel to Ukraine until after flu season, because of the high number of cases of people contracting pandemic flu (swine flu). According to this doctor, his Ukrainian counterparts and not prepared enough to handle the high case load and TIME magazine writes that pharmacies are running out of medicine and has reported that the government has shut down many public buildings (including universities and movie theaters). Does this constitute a warning box? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 23:33, 15 November 2009 (EST)

Must Ukraine visas be applied for in your home country?

As an Australian citizen I need a visa to visit Ukraine. Can I only apply for it from Australia (as is the case with Russian visas) or can I get one while travelling in nearby countries?

The article makes it seem like I can get one at any embassy/consulate but doesn't really say so for sure while the website for the Ukraine embassy in Australia makes it seem like I have to apply in Australia without really saying so for sure. — Hippietrail 14:05, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

Trip to Ukraine

My husband and I are going to the Ukraine in May 2011. Any suggestions as to what we need to take? Electric convertor? We will be going to Kiev, Lviv, Rohatyn. Are there any sights we shouldn't miss?

Thanks,

Mary

Forgot to add name

Sorry. I forgot to sign my name to the last post.Mimm946 11:22, 26 July 2011 (EDT)mimm946

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